[bestbits] IGF plus

[parminder]

On Wednesday 04 September 2013 04:08 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
> Dear all
>
> Apologies for chipping in at this point and not following the discussion
> consistently. One idea I would like to discuss is looking at how to
> build specific mechanisms to address specific problems rather than
> always focusing on general problems/processes. I think this is also what
> Avri and Anja are proposing.

I didnt see Anja refer to anything like building specific mechanisms to 
address specific problems. She only discussed the day one subjects - 
ITU/ WSIS section and MSism part .
On the other hand, I have been asking for focussing on the specific 
problem of global surveillance by NSA/ US......
>
> E.g. to take the surveillance issue... we have written some letters; we
> are raising it in the HRC and related bodies; there is a civil society
> 'good practice' guideline (which I realise not everyone agrees on fully,
> but it is still a good start).
>
> Can we not take this particular issue and look at what concrete
> mechanisms and measures we can propose to address it in quite specific
> ways?

Yes, discuss the Snowden revelations issue, review what we have done 
till present and what else is necessary... As for the the recent civil 
society guidelines on privacy, there is a good discussion on this 
subject  in the IRP list, and that too should be carried forward.

parminder

>
> Anriette
>
>
>
> On 03/09/2013 22:14, Valeria Betancourt wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I concur with Anja and Avri.
>>
>> Valeria
>>
>>
>> On 03/09/2013, at 15:07, Avri Doria wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think this is a good framing.  The only thing I would recommend
>>> adding to the specific aims, is preparation for the IGF itself -
>>> specific action/statement for the sessions and workshops to be held
>>> in the following days.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 Sep 2013, at 15:48, Anja Kovacs wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wanted to chip in and share my thinking on two issues.
>>>>
>>>> 1. I believe it is very important that the ITU and WSIS+10 are kept
>>>> in the agenda as explicit, focused agenda items, and that we spend
>>>> some time discussing and planning for the processes around them. To
>>>> my mind, these are among the most important places where states at
>>>> present are already trying to play out their views on enhanced
>>>> cooperation in practice, with rather important consequences for
>>>> civil society (I wrote about this earlier
>>>> here:http://beta.internetdemocracy.in/2013/07/pawns-in-a-governments-game/).
>>>> In general, they are also two processes that are likely to have a
>>>> real outcome for Internet governance. It is important that civil
>>>> society is aware and informed, and that at least some of us are also
>>>> closely involved (the ITU also happens to be the process around
>>>> which Best Bits came into its own, and I think it would be foolish
>>>> of us to now retreat from whatever little inroads or impact we have
>>>> made).
>>>>
>>>> 2. The reason I proposed to Jeremy that we make the first day one
>>>> long session (with perhaps a discussion of EC, ITU and WSIS in the
>>>> morning and of multistakeholderism in the afternoon) is because I
>>>> believe that the question of how we see multistakeholderism is
>>>> sharpened by our engagements in these concrete policy fora and how
>>>> we plan to move forward in them, while at the same time our
>>>> engagement with these fora is of course also to some extent
>>>> determined by the visions and views we have when we enter them. In
>>>> that sense I think that by contextualising the discussion on MS
>>>> within those debates, the chances that we move forward are far
>>>> greater, if not in terms of coming to a joint position, then at
>>>> least in terms of understanding we all take the positions that we take.
>>>>
>>>> One of the specific aims of Best Bits is that it should aid civil
>>>> society not only in having important discussions, but also in
>>>> getting concrete work done. By framing the agenda for our two days
>>>> in Bali in the above manner, we can maximise our outcomes on both
>>>> counts.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Anja
>>