[bestbits] [letter to Dilma Rousseff] merging threads from IGC and BB
Joana Varon
joana at varonferraz.com
Wed Sep 25 13:16:58 EDT 2013
Diego, as you, and others, might not be at bestbits list, let me mention
that this issue about the letter has been debated on both lists. So lets
merge the threads here and change the tone of the letter so it can be
inclusive of all the international civil society organizations and
individuals, ok?
Fundamental guidelines for moving forward:
Bearing in mind the points raised by Anja and other folks on the issue of
multistakeholderism, I would suggest that particularly with the goal not to
undermine the positive aspect of Dilma's speech, and the impacts on the
national scenario, we hear to Carlos Afonso's wise (insider) suggestion and
mention this critical topic in a positive manner as well:
"My IMHO advice: let us not be black-and-white on this. Let us think of the
ways in which we can build bridges. Rousseff has opened a wonderful window
of opportunity, let us not just dismiss it because there is that "12-letter
word" in her statement."
The link again:
https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGC-Supports-Brazil
cheers
joana
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Diego Rafael Canabarro <
diegocanabarro at gmail.com> wrote:
> I started a pad. Helpers, please help. Haters, please keep off.
>
> https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGC-Supports-Brazil
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Anja Kovacs <anja at internetdemocracy.in>wrote:
>
>> Would it perhaps be possible then to ask her as part of the statement to
>> clarify her stance on the global model which she preposes, in particular
>> with regard to the involvement of stakeholders other than the government?
>> By linking this up with her obvious support of the Brazilian domestic
>> model, this could perhaps be done in a way that asks the question without
>> undoing any of the fabulousness of her speech.
>>
>> As I noted on another list, my aim is not to dismiss Dilma's
>> intervention, but to ensure that we do not come up with a statement that
>> puts many of us in a very difficult position vis-a-vis our own governments
>> inthe ongoing negotiations on the best model of global Internet governance.
>> This is especially true in contexts such as India where
>> multistakeholderism, though making progress, is far from as established as
>> it is in Brazil and in fact continues to be extremely fragile.
>>
>> Thanks and best,
>> Anja
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 September 2013 21:47, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I would not like to take on this task since I am deeply involved here
>>> and might introduce bias which would delay approval by our flock -- this
>>> needs to be from the international civil society community.
>>>
>>> It would be *extremely important* to have it ready by tomorrow late
>>> night (it can be very late in the night -- I am not really sleeping
>>> these days) Brazilian time so I can print it and try and deliver it to
>>> the Presidenta's hands (or her closest advisors).
>>>
>>> fraternal regards
>>>
>>> --c.a.
>>>
>>> On 09/25/2013 11:52 AM, Diego Rafael Canabarro wrote:
>>> > I believe that Carolina (Rossini), Joana (Varon) and Marilia Maciel
>>> > could (should) be part of the task-force. : )
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
>>> > <suresh at hserus.net <mailto:suresh at hserus.net>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Carlos and Diego could take the lead on this one, with other
>>> > brazilian colleagues more directly involved in Marco civil than we
>>> are
>>> >
>>> > I am happy to sign on to a suitable statement
>>> >
>>> > --srs (htc one x)
>>> >
>>> > On 25 September 2013 7:50:34 PM parminder __ wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> If such is the range of support, lets write a statement supporting
>>> >> Dilma's very important speech, and commend her/ Brazil on it (as
>>> >> also suggested on another list)
>>> >>
>>> >> parminder
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wednesday 25 September 2013 06:05 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> In which case she has delivered a ringing endorsement of
>>> >>> values near and dear to civil society.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --srs (iPad)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On 24-Sep-2013, at 22:22, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca>
>>> <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Yes, I was one of the ones who talked to her just before she
>>> travelled
>>> >>>> to the Evil Empire. This is the meaning.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The best part was her firm and clear defense of net neutrality
>>> (not even
>>> >>>> aunt Neelie dares so much). A tremendous cold shower on the
>>> >>>> transnational telco cartel in Brazil, and a renewed hope Marco
>>> Civil
>>> >>>> could be approved as we dream it should.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> fraternal regards
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --c.a.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On 09/24/2013 01:33 PM, Jean Paul NKURUNZIZA wrote:
>>> >>>>> Dear Raphael,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> You are right.
>>> >>>>> I was asking myself if she didn't use "Multilateral" by error.
>>> Did she want
>>> >>>>> to talk "Multistakeholder".
>>> >>>>> If I consider this paragraph for instance :
>>> >>>>> "2 - Open, multilateral and democratic governance, carried out
>>> with transparency by stimulating
>>> >>>>> collective creativity and the participation of society,
>>> Governments and the
>>> >>>>> private sector."
>>> >>>>> If the word "Society"is meant to mean "Civil Society", then I
>>> suppose she
>>> >>>>> wanted to mean "Multistakeholder"
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Regards
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> NKURUNZIZA Jean Paul
>>> >>>>> TRAINER IN COMPUTING AND INTERNET POLICY
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ISOC BURUNDI : VICE PRESIDENT
>>> >>>>> Réseau des Télécentres Communautaires du Burundi : Président
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Burundi Youth Training Centre : Secrétaire Général
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Skype : jpnkurunziz
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Facebook : http://www.facebook.com/jeanpaul.nkurunziza
>>> >>>>> Tel : +257 79 981459 <tel:%2B257%2079%20981459>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ________________________________
>>> >>>>> De : Diego Rafael Canabarro <diegocanabarro at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:diegocanabarro at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> À : "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <mailto:
>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>>> >>>>> <governance at lists.igcaucus.org> <mailto:
>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>;
>>> >>>>> Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com> <mailto:
>>> carolina.rossini at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Envoyé le : Mardi 24 septembre 2013 18h17
>>> >>>>> Objet : Re: [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Three mentions to "multilateral".
>>> >>>>> No mention to "multistakeholder".
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>>
>> --
>> Dr. Anja Kovacs
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>>
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