[bestbits] Letter to Pres. Rousseff, was, Re: [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN

Anja Kovacs anja at internetdemocracy.in
Wed Sep 25 12:37:57 EDT 2013 

Just to clarify: my aim is not to dismiss this, but to ensure that we do
not come up with a statement that puts many of us in a very difficult
position vis-a-vis our own governments inthe ongoing negotiations on the
best model of global Internet governance. This is especially true in
contexts such as India where multistakeholderism, though making progress,
is far from as established as it is in Brazil and in fact continues to be
extremely fragile.

The solution is probably simply a matter of getting the framing right, and
as I said before, if we manage to do so, we will be very happy to support
the letter as well and publicly express our appreciation for an otherwise
outstanding intervention. I do agree that it would be wonderful if we could
build on this conribution in a positive and appreciative manner that can
benefit all of us.

Best regards,
Anja


On 25 September 2013 21:32, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:

> Rousseff sees "multilateral" as "among nations", not "among
> governments". But I do understand the term in the international
> diplomatic scene takes a meaning opposed to what civil society defends
> and each government has its own particular interpretation -- BTW, as do
> different civil society "tribes".
>
> My IMHO advice: let us not be black-and-white on this. Let us think of
> the ways in which we can build bridges. Rousseff has opened a wonderful
> window of opportunity, let us not just dismiss it because there is that
> "12-letter word" in her statement.
>
> fraternal regards
>
> --c.a.
>
> On 09/25/2013 12:37 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:
> > I agree with Anne that the speech was clever in many ways, but am also a
> > little worried about how the continuous references to multilateralism
> will
> > be read in our own domestic context, where the importance of these
> > statements from a Brazilian perspective is not necessarily fully
> > appreciated or understood in its nuances. The whole debate about whether
> a
> > reformed Internet governance should take a multilateral or
> multistakeholder
> > route *is* gaining momentum at the moment, and if we as international
> civil
> > society are going to make a comment on the Brazilian president's speech,
> I
> > do think we have to comment on her remarks on this issue as well - or our
> > own stance on the question of multistakeholderism might be misunderstood
> in
> > our own countries.
> >
> > Isn't there a way in which we can do so without undermining the Brazilian
> > national agenda (or even better, by supporting that agenda)? If so, I'll
> be
> > very happy to support a letter but if this is not noted at all, it might
> be
> > difficult for us to do so, as silence could be read as implicit approval.
> >
> > Thanks and best,
> > Anja
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25 September 2013 20:33, Anne Jellema <anne at webfoundation.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I support Anriette's suggestion and I hope the international letter
> could
> >> help Brazilian colleagues to secure a meeting with Rousseff's advisors
> in
> >> the near future to better understand her position and lobby on the best
> >> ways for Brazil to show international leadership in this area.
> >>
> >> As I read Joana and Carlos's remarks, I was remembering that on other
> >> global issues (such as trade justice and climate change), Brazil has
> often
> >> managed to punch well above its weight diplomatically by positioning
> itself
> >> very strategically as a bridge-builder between "South" and "North" blocs
> >> (to caricature them very crudely).  Reading her speech, and the clever
> way
> >> it managed to pick up on key demands and buzzwords from both sides of
> the
> >> internet governance divide, I did wonder whether Brazil is once again
> >> angling to set itself up as the player that can broker pragmatic
> >> compromises between competing ideologies. If so, I think that's probably
> >> good news, especially given that the PT in power has usually been
> >> relatively open to working with civil society.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Anne
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>>  Dear all
> >>>
> >>> I would like to propose that we do a letter from civil society
> commending
> >>> her on her speech. We could mention our support and wishes for the
> Marco
> >>> Civil, and, if we want, the multi-lateral vs. multi-stakeholder
> question.
> >>>
> >>> Anriette
> >>>
> >>> On 25/09/2013 15:41, Gene Kimmelman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Having been in these situations in the U.S., I fully understand the
> need
> >>> to accept and fully embrace progress; I do not want to interfere in
> what
> >>> our Brazilian friends are fully capable of handling, other than to say
> I
> >>> fully support the sentiment expressed by Joana and Carlos!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com
> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>   Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I totally support Carlos Afonso's view.
> >>>>
> >>>>  One step at the time.
> >>>>
> >>>> What matters now is that Dilma has clearly mentioned the CGI.br
> >>>> principles, including the support for net neutrality. It means a LOT
> for
> >>>> our national scenario and for years of fight to try to pass Marco
> Civil.
> >>>> Meaning it wont be easy for telcos to take down net neutrality
> provisions
> >>>> from the draft bill.
> >>>>
> >>>> Even better, this all has happened right after she opened a channel of
> >>>> communication/consulation with CGI.br. That's THE dynamics for
> internet
> >>>> public policies we dreamed about in Brazil. The issue on using the
> word
> >>>> "multilateral" shall NOT be used to loose the focus on this major
> >>>> achievement.
> >>>>
> >>>>  It is indeed an issue of concern. But it's not actually something
> new.
> >>>> It has been highlighted in several opportunities in the Brazilian
> positions
> >>>> at ITU, held by Anatel, our regulatory agency.  For instance, in our
> >>>> previous opinion on the role of States. Nevertheless, positions from
> our
> >>>> Ministry of Foreign Affairs towards multistakeholderism are very
> clear and
> >>>> positive. And now CGI.br has the door open with the president to
> correct
> >>>> explain all the important debate of multistakeholder approach on IG.
> So we
> >>>> have opportunities to correct this schizophrenic aspect and there is
> hope.
> >>>>
> >>>>  So, please, people, let's be positive and understand that having the
> >>>> President referring to these principles - an to Internet Policies -
> in the
> >>>> UNGA is not a minor thing. I had the lucky to be in a panel at the
> Council
> >>>> of Europe a few minutes after she delivered the speech and managed to
> >>>> incorporate some of her quotes in my presentation. The public got
> really
> >>>> impressed.
> >>>>
> >>>>  all the best
> >>>>
> >>>> joana
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Joana Varon Ferraz
> >>>> @joana_varon
> >>>> PGP 0x016B8E73
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear people,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am not sure we will go too far (although philosophers can really be
> >>>>> far-fetched in this exercise) in doing an exegesis of her discourse.
> Let
> >>>>> us see how the practice goes. The signs are good: she entered the
> room
> >>>>> to talk to us CGI.br folk with our 10 Principles in hand and the
> first
> >>>>> thing she told us was she agreed with them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> She also mentioned the Marco Civil as proposed by the rapporteur
> (result
> >>>>> of a 4-year public dialogue) is the one she agrees with (which is the
> >>>>> one CGI.br formally supported), and was going to fight for it,
> although
> >>>>> recognizing that as bill of law transiting through Congress it might
> >>>>> suffer modifications which she might veto but Congress could reverse
> and
> >>>>> so on -- in summary, normal practice in a democratic State. The big
> >>>>> challenge now is the process in Congress, where the transnational
> telcos
> >>>>> and big media have enormous power.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> frt rgds
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --c.a.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 09/24/2013 09:58 PM, Diego Rafael Canabarro wrote:
> >>>>>> the Steering Committee principle reads as "Internet governance must
> be
> >>>>>> exercised in a transparent, multilateral and democratic manner, with
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> participation of the various sectors of society, thereby preserving
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> encouraging its character as a collective creation."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Her wording for the UNGA says: "Open, multilateral and democratic
> >>>>>> governance, carried out with transparency by stimulating collective
> >>>>>> creativity and the participation of society, Governments and the
> >>>>> private
> >>>>>> sector."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My reading of that is that: (1) it does not repeat the idea that
> >>>>> Internet
> >>>>>> governance as a collective creation and (2) the first one defines
> >>>>> Internet
> >>>>>> governance as something "with the participation of the various
> >>>>> sectors of
> >>>>>> society", and the second only mentions it should be carried out with
> >>>>>> stimuli for "the participation of society, governments and the
> private
> >>>>>> sector."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can you see my point?
> >>>>>> Em português o trem funciona do mesmo jeito.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Carolina Rossini <
> >>>>>> carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Via Renata Avila, segue discurso da Dilma na UN.
> >>>>>>> Coming from Renata Avila, see attached Dilma draft speech at UN.
> >>>>>>> C
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>  >> *Carolina Rossini*
> >>>>>>> *Project Director, Latin America Resource Center*
> >>>>>>> Open Technology Institute
> >>>>>>> *New America Foundation*
> >>>>>  >> //
> >>>>>>> http://carolinarossini.net/
> >>>>>>> + 1 6176979389 <%2B%201%206176979389>
> >>>>>>> *carolina.rossini at gmail.com*
> >>>>>>> skype: carolrossini
> >>>>>>> @carolinarossini
> >>>>>>>
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Dr. Anja Kovacs
The Internet Democracy Project

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