[bestbits] Logistical note for Best Bits meeting participants

[parminder]

While we can do general polito-cultural discussions on various forms of 
participatory democracy as they express at various levels in our 
societies, and whether MSism is also the same thing or not, we also have 
certain clear political imperatives here. And BestBits group is oriented 
towards outcomes that specifically contribute to political developments 
or landscape around us. This does require convergent efforts while 
exploring divergent meaning and perspectives. To that extent, perhaps 
one, if not 'the', core question for BB meeting's session could be as 
follows

When we seek that Internet governance processes, at national and global 
levels, should be multistakeholder, what do we really mean - in 
relatively concrete terms. This in general, but also as being 
specifically situated in the current landscape of where we are with 
global IG - and perhaps separately in different areas, like technical 
policy processes, public policy processes, soft law, hard law, 
principles development and the such....

A lot of policy makers, including from the North, directly ask us, MSism 
is fine, but what is it that you want in terms of processes.... And I 
can assure you that what they think as limits of MSism is quite 
different from what many here think.... So good to know and talk about 
these things. A lot of MS related discussion has simply happened in 
obscurity with regard to real meanings and implications..

parminder





On Thursday 17 October 2013 12:38 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think that one reason the form of participatory democracy we are calling multistakeholderism (MSism) is not uniform in that there are many ways in which it can be expressed.
>
> I do not think we will find a single definition.  And even if we could, even if there was just one modality for MSism, just one way to implement the multistakeholder model ,it would be something that is still in development and discovery.
>
> But I do not beleive there is a single way to implement a multistakeholder model, and I don't beleive any existing organization has the perfect exemplar - though there may be one I don't know of either in Internet governance or some other field and though several of those still in the crucible of real life deployment attempting real world management and regulatory functions do show promise, in my opinion.
>
> It is a relatively new trend in world history and in the development of democracy - less that few score years at the most.  It is a form that I beleive is built upon the modern world's ability to communicate across cultures and to travel freely across borders.
>
> I think as we gain more experience and do more study on the variety of multistakeholder models we will discover characteristics that all forms of the model must have.
>
> I think the points you make below are all part of the framework for any definition.  And I think there is value in trying to scope out the framework, starting with the things that no governance system that wants to call itself multistakeholder can do without.
>
> I think your list of questions is the start of a good question set.
>
> I also think that BestBits spending time on  this is a good idea, as long as it does not try to define one form, or as long as it does not create a strawman that allows people to discount the ongoing real life efforts to develop participatory democracy in governance.  If we develop a system purely for the reason of furthering people's attacks on the existing efforts at the multistakeholder model, I think it will be counterproductive, at best.
>
> avri
>
> Note: I would make the point that it is even harder to define civil society than it is to define MSism.  but given that I self identify as a member of both civil society and the technical community, I strongly agree about the commonality of many goals.
>
>
> On 16 Oct 2013, at 09:25, John Curran wrote:
>
>> On Oct 16, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The two-day meeting has been divided roughly into four half-day sessions, covering just about all of the most critical Internet policy issues of the moment.  Although the agenda (particularly for Day 1 morning) is still slightly fluid, we will cover mass government surveillance, the Brazil/ICANN plan for globalisation of Internet goverernance, Internet principles, and the processes underway at WSIS+10 and the Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation, plus more
>> I note on the agenda is the item "What is multi-stakeholderism?" (presumably with
>> respect to matters of Internet coordination/governance)
>>
>> As obvious as this question might seem, it is not clear that everyone is using the
>> term in the same manner, and documenting the meaning of the term with some
>> clarity might be very helpful in the coming days (particularly if it were to be defined
>> from the civil society perspective)
>>
>> In particular, does multi-stakeholderism imply or require:
>>
>> - Agreement of all participants to work to collective goal or common purpose?
>>
>> - Openness and inclusiveness in seeking input/views from all interested parties?
>>
>> - Documents and materials made freely available online to all parties?
>>
>> - Clear, equitable processes for developing outcomes which provide consideration of all inputs/views?
>>
>> - Respect for all participants involved?
>>
>> If there is a statement or accepted norm with respect to the term "multi-stakeholder"
>> (in matters of Internet coordination/governance) I am not aware of it, although the term
>> does seem to be used quite a bit and might benefit from a more solid set of principles
>> regarding its use.  If this suggestion is not aligned with your present plans or goals for
>> the meeting, feel free to discard it as desired.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> /John
>>
>> Disclaimers: My views alone.  These views were not formed via multi-stakeholder
>>                     processes (unless one credits various portions of my consciousness
>>                     with independent stakeholder status... ;-)
>>   
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