[bestbits] Do we really want to shoot in Dilma's foot?

[Gene Kimmelman]

This back and forth conversation has been very interesting.  The only thing I have to add is that I believe we should try to keep all options open as possible paths forward, and as Anja has been suggesting focus in Bali on what our substantive demands are from policymakers and the corporate sector. I don't believe it is useful to guess motives of various players, but instead take advantage of possible opportunities and develop a more robust CS agenda.  The forum (or fora) for resolving our demands may be more clear over time, as these various initiatives unfold.
On Oct 14, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
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> I think understanding this relies on your view of NTIA intentions.
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> None of us can know those, but we all guess at them based on all sorts of evidence, theories and assorted perspectives.
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> If you tend to think that NTIA wants to hold or even increase its influence, you assume one thing - that this had to be done against their will or advice and that it is a slap in the face to US goals.
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> If you assume that NTIA really wants to divest control in a sane and safe manner to multistakeholder modeled governance, while seeing the Internet remain open, you assume another.
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> I assume the latter.
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> The NTIA is not the NSA, like most governments, outside of dictatorships, there is no agreement in the goals of the various departments.  NSA's goals are not NTIA's goals.
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> I tend to believe in NTIA's commitment and support for the wider multi stakeholder model of Internet governance.   So yeah, them being somehow "in the mix" seems about right to me.
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> In other words, and to join in the prevailing marriage metaphor, I think the US and ICANN have an open marriage.
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> And speaking of metaphors, and of shooting people in the foot, I think we should encourage the new directions and their initiators especially when they are multi stakeholder in intent, taking into account that they are new directions and still largely aspirational.  I think this is the case for  Civil Society both inside of Brazil and inside of ICANN, as well as the fragments of International Civil Society that gather in BestBits.
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> avri
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> On 14 Oct 2013, at 01:37, William Drake wrote:
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>> Hi 
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>> On Oct 13, 2013, at 7:17 PM, João Carlos R. Caribé <joao.caribe at me.com> wrote:
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>>> I really can't understand how NTIA could be behind Fadi's meeting in Brasilia.
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>> Not behind, but in the mix.  
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>> Bill
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