[bestbits] RE: [IRPCoalition] [governance] Re: Webinar digest Brazil's role in IG & third issue of Digital Rights LAC

Thu Oct 3 11:06:09 EDT 2013

Hi,

Just fyi re international submarine cables, Tele-Geography produces pretty maps of the same as some no doubt are aware..showing latency, lit capacity, landing stations, timeline and other fun facts.

See: http://submarine-cable-map-2013.telegeography.com/

Lee

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Subject: Re: [IRPCoalition] [governance] Re: Webinar digest Brazil's role in    IG & third issue of Digital Rights LAC

Hi Carlos,

Just to be clear, I mentioned fragmentation/balkanization because I think it's a misrepresentation of what's being proposed.

Thanks for the additional information.

I'm not sure Amsterdam is such a problem, but landing in the UK, as many transatlantic cables do, yes.

I was going to mention this in another thread, but perhaps this will do:  strongly recommend people read Caspar Bowden's work for the European Parliament on PRISM and FISA.  Bowden's been writing about the threat of FISA, etc. for some years, Snowden has made clear just how important his work is.

Caspar Bowden speaking at the European Parliament Tuesday Sept 24,
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa83l2_ZzEo&feature=youtu.be>  Study referred to in the presentation "The US surveillance programmes and their impact on EU citizens' fundamental rights" <http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2009_2014/documents/libe/dv/briefingnote_/briefingnote_en.pdf>  (need to remember it's all our rights, not just EU citizens).

This earlier document "fighting cyber crime and protecting privacy in the cloud" <http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/studiesdownload.html?languageDocument=EN&file=790500,d.dGI> very good, BBC article <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21263321> shows Bowden's foresight.

The points he makes about an economic response (without some government regulated nationalist/regionalist policy) are sensible.

And these:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Siv10PcNTw>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9XRFxevw1Y>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cx_vumGbXM>

Summary of Caspar, Jacob Applebaum, Bruce Schneier others speaking at an event <http://memento.epfl.ch/event/congress-on-privacy-and-surveillance/> in Lausanne on Monday <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/privacy-and-surveillance-jacob-applebaum-caspar-bowden-and-more-speak-in-switzerland> also worth reading.

Would be wonderful of the recent EU Parliament document linked above could be used as a briefing document for the Emerging Issues session in Bali.  Unfortunately I don't think Caspar can attend the IGF.

Best,

Adam

On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:46 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:

> Hi Adam & all,
>
> OK, some comments on this. The "BRICs cable" project contemplates
> high-capacity links to the USA and Europe, of course. Politically, with
> the current situation, the way this will be done is open to question
> regarding partnerships, cost sharing, priorities and so on. In no way
> this would be just a firewalled point-to-point cable Brazil-China with
> stop-overs in SA & India.
>
> This proposal of course is a joint venture involving private sector and
> the BRICs' countries, and details of this are not yet available as far
> as I know. There are budget constraints in all countries involved (or at
> least three of them...), so this is not so simple or so immediate. Also,
> Brazil is contemplating or actively involved in the deployment of other
> new direct links (Africa, Europe, encircling South America etc).
>
> As in all other new international links Brazil is considering or
> participating, the whole idea is to guarantee most direct routes to all
> regions in the planet, so that traffic does not need to go through the
> USA or Amsterdam or etc whatever its origin/destination. Most large
> economies with massive use of the Net (we are about to reach 95 million
> users) have the same problem and are considering or practicing a similar
> policy. The "Snowden revelations" are just helping to accelerate the
> process.
>
> No one here would be naïve to think that BR-USA links should be
> disregarded. To the contrary, we need planning to optimize them, and if
> other links come online of course there will be more capacity available
> for traffic from/to USA.
>
> On 10/03/2013 02:18 AM, Adam Peake wrote:
>> Hi Marilia,
>>
>> Thanks for this report.
>>
>> Couple of questions about the "BRICS cable".  First, why concern
>> about fragmentation ("balkanization"), if I understand correctly the
>> idea is not to propose a BRICS firewall, my email will still reach
>> you etc, it's not a proposal to censor the net. I think this
>> mis-guided and unhelpful to the proposal. Second, any detail of the
>> cable: who will build, who are the partners (and has anyone looked at
>> the telecom/appropriate law of potential partner countries?  Suspect
>> we might not like what we find -- US and UK not alone in having bad
>> law.)
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for any duplication of this message.
>>>
>>> To all those that might be interested, I would like to share the
>>> summary and the recorded video of the debate "Is Brazil leading a
>>> new revolution in global digital policy?", which was co-organized
>>> by DiploFoundation and the Center for Technology and Society of FGV
>>> Rio de Janeiro.
>>> http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/webinar-digest-brazil-leading-new-revolution-global-digital-policy
>>>
>>>
>>>
> I also take the opportunity to share with you that the third issue of
> the Newsletter Digital Rights in Latin America and the Caribbean. This
> joint initiative from ADC, Fundación Karisma, Derechos Digitales and
> CTS/FGV is a very good source of information about key issues and
> emerging trends in the regional scenario. It is published in English,
> Spanish and Portuguese. http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en/
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Marília
>>>
>>> -- Marília Maciel Pesquisadora Gestora Centro de Tecnologia e
>>> Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>>
>>> Researcher and Coordinator Center for Technology & Society - FGV
>>> Law School http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>>>
>>> DiploFoundation associate www.diplomacy.edu
>>>
>>>
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