[bestbits] [] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014
Evan Greer
evangreer at gmail.com
Thu Oct 10 11:35:56 EDT 2013
Parminder, I think this is astute, it makes sense to see how this shapes up
before planning something outside.
Our feeling was that this does represent a potential shift, and Brazil's
orientation on this is clearly better than many other governments.
I guess my thought wasn't that an outside presence would be explicitly
oppositional -- but maybe it will always come off that way.
Looking forward to more discussion on this.
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:30 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>wrote:
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> An alternative civil society space like the Internet Social Forum is
> something some of us have been thinking for some time... However, doing
> it outside the yet unknown, unborn Brazil led new initiative is a very bad
> idea.... Why take a civil society oppositional view to the (only) one
> global IG effort that may be shaping from the South, for the first time
> ever.
>
> (meanwhile, for the record, while I greatly support if something like what
> is being reported as Brazil led global dialogue is going to happen, I think
> a lot of stuff/ talk on the CS lists right now is very pre mature.... I am
> not even sure what exactly has been proposed, what is in Brazilians' mind,
> what is in ICANN's mind, whose initiative it really is, in what directions,
> of what shape and effect, and so on)
>
> In fact, as was IT for Change's initial proposal, an Internet Social Forum
> is needed outside the IGF today, to give an alternative point of organising
> and expression - based on core principles of social justice to which world
> social forums attest - to what is beginning to be an increasingly captured
> space... Or maybe outside OECD Internet policy meetings, or the Seoul
> conference....
>
> parminder
>
>
> On Thursday 10 October 2013 08:46 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I think the combination of inside+outside events and participation is almost always the strongest option. I think looking into something like this for reported Brazil forum is reasonable - especially if we find out that some participants end up being more equal than CS.
>
> avri
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> On 10 Oct 2013, at 10:58, Evan Greer wrote:
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>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Evan here from Fight for the Future and the Internet Defense League.
>
> I won't pretend that we are well connected to global internet governance issues, but we are very good at mobilizing grassroots internet users around the world.
>
> I'm wondering what folks thoughts are on organizing an alternative summit in Brazil (like an Internet Social Forum) to coincide with the official event -- giving us the option to run both an inside game and also have a more "pristine" alternative event to discuss our wildest dreams and ideas for the future of the Internet. My experience is that alternative summits like these can be very effective at re-framing the debate within the walls of the official meetings, but provide an opportunity for other work to be done as well.
>
> Brazil is such a hot-bed of social movements and tech that it seems like a strong location for something like this. We have very strong connections on the ground there in a variety of movements.
>
> As I said, we are somewhat outsiders to this particular community, but we lurk on this list and try to stay informed, and would be happy to chat with anyone who thinks this idea is great / terrible.
>
> Cheers,
> -Evan Greer
> Fight for the Future
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Parminder,
>
> being from developing county myself , I am not supporting cyber conf in seoul approach and asked why we should support a summit in Brazil yet to be defined when there are a lot of concerns about cyber conf series . the inflation of fora is not in benefit of CS and in particular those from developing countries
> I would like to have clear principles about such IG conference and fora , I don't think that we can or should prevent them but at least asking them to embrace the principles of openness , inclusion etc
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2013/10/10 parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> <parminder at itforchange.net>
> I am great votary of both (1) civil society jumping headlong into all *important* *global* IG processes, whether *UN or not*, and (2) fluid agendas ...
>
> However cant but note a point. I had earlier repeatedly called for us to look into OCED's CICCP related *global* Internet policy development processes and its outcomes, and the process and outcomes of the Seoul cyber conference (or the London and Budapest series).... In fact I kept insisting that we do so .... But with a very lukewarm response if any.....
>
> How do we square such cascading support for taking charge of the Brazil's new proposed (hardly born yet) process with this earlier attitude....
>
> Why is that all processes where developing countries have important, or even significant, role require urgent examination and intervention, but those led by developed countries perhaps considered, what is it, friendly, safe ..... ??
>
> Now, before anyone gets offended.... let me say, no personal offence intended, mine is (and is always) a political statement in a political space.... And I cant but do what I consider is my job as political civil society, with strong leanings towards Southern and other marginalised interests.
>
> Thanks for understanding, parminder
>
>
> On Thursday 10 October 2013 07:10 PM, Andrew Puddephatt wrote:
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> I think the Brazil initiative gives us a useful focus and we should definitely make time to discuss it on the fist morning.
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> In general, though we have suggested agenda I think we should be open to hacking the event and letting participants drive it the way they want if we can go for concrete positive outcomes.
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> On 10/10/2013, at 9:11 PM, Valeria Betancourt <valeriab at apc.org> <valeriab at apc.org> wrote:
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> I agree with Anja on her proposal. Taking the opportunity not only for expressing our support but for outlining a civil society agenda for the summit would be an strategic move. + 1 as well on proposal re Chehade. Do you think it would be one of the outcomes of our meeting in Bali?
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> +1 from me - and the steering committee is discussing too. Let's see if we can't shuffle the day 1 schedule to include this, going beyond just an expression of support, but including some more substantive output that can be tabled at the IGF.
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