Let's Get Real Folks--Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] DISCLOSURE REQUEST Re: Funding Available for Strengthening Civil Society

Mishi Choudhary mishi at softwarefreedom.org
Tue Nov 12 16:17:50 EST 2013


In complete agreement with Gene!

On 11/12/2013 04:01 PM, Gene Kimmelman wrote:
> I certainly don't want to even begin to try to solve for all the
> problems we face.  And I fully understand the outrage at recent
> revelations, plus the desire to focus on transparency as a means to
> build trust.  At the same time, I myself am happy to "opt in" to a
> group like Best Bits that seeks to take concrete steps to address
> important issues, and of necessity requires me to trust that others
> who opt in do so in good faith.  If I find that faith to be misplaced
> based on the actions of others, I will be disappointed and seek
> another platform to participate on.  In the meantime, I am comfortable
> working with the loose coalition of groups that has been coming
> together around the Best Bits platform.  And I certainly can
> understand that others may make a different decision about
> participating in this endeavor.  I'm not sure I see a reason to
> continue the same conversation we've had for the last few weeks. 
> Maybe those who want to participate in Best Bits as it currently is
> constituted can do so, and others can just drop out and quite
> complaining about it.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com
> <mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     As we all know the Internet Governance space is becoming a very
>     hot topic
>     and subject to increasing scrutiny, internal manoeuvering and external
>     intervention.
>
>     This isn't at all surprising given the vast, even world altering
>     resources
>     of wealth and power (both of the passive informational and aggressive
>     cyberwar varieties) that are potentially being affected.
>
>     Any adjustment, however minor in the overall (governance or other)
>     ecology
>     of the Internet now has likely ramifications impacting everyone,
>     everywhere, and in a vast multitude of ways both visible and
>     invisible.
>
>     Notably, the overwhelming thrust from a variety of directions is
>     that the
>     form that this Internet Governance takes is to be
>     "multi-stakeholder" where
>     the "stakeholders" are roughly defined as governments, the technical
>     community, the private sector and civil society.
>
>     The recent Snowden revelations have shaken the on-going rather
>     comfortable
>     and even Pollyanna-ish sense that the overall deployment of the
>     Internet was
>     somehow being done in a manner and with effects that were
>     supportive of the
>     broad well-being of humanity.
>
>     The revelations have for many shattered this belief along with the
>     trust
>     that underlay so many of the relationships and transactions on
>     which the
>     Internet is built and continues to operate. This framework of
>     trust has been
>     in in the words of many at the recent IETF meeting, "attacked",
>      and for a
>     significant proportion of those thinking of such matters it has
>     been fatally
>     undermined.
>
>     The Technical Community appears to be still reeling from the
>     discovery that
>     the "good faith" of many of those that they considered colleagues and
>     partners was in fact "bad faith"; and the associated interventions
>     were in
>     various instances undertaken not in the interests of humanity as a
>     whole but
>     rather in support of narrow and self-serving national (and it
>     would appear
>     corporate) interests.
>
>     The further revelations of the systematic incursions into the internal
>     technical operations of certain US based Internet
>     mega-corporations has
>     evidently resulted in both anger and an associated recognition on
>     their part
>     that the agencies and interests involved were not operating in a
>     manner in
>     keeping with normally recognized business practices and interests.
>
>     It is thus astonishing that Civil Society, in the IG context the
>     weakest and
>     least resourced of the "stakeholders", should be asked to accept
>     on "good
>     faith" that its activities and on-going deliberation will not have
>     been
>     subverted in precisely the same ways and in support of the same
>     interests as
>     have been the on-going activities of the Technical and Business Sector
>     stakeholders.
>
>     In fact it would be astonishing in the process of subverting the
>     Internet to
>     certain national and corporate interests, if CS as a key component of
>     Internet Governance were to have been overlooked.
>
>     The sad but I think inevitable conclusion is that  I can see no
>     basis on
>     which to have continued "trust" in the various CS institutions or
>     activities
>     since I see no basis on which I can determine the good/bad faith
>     of the
>     various actors/interveners in those spaces.
>
>     While I can see a basis for finding collaborators and like-minded
>     folks to
>     pursue specific activities/interventions based on a clear
>     articulation of
>     shared norms/visions, beyond that I see little basis for going
>     forward in
>     the current CS formulations and significant dangers more generally
>     if the
>     current CS spaces are taken as sole or even significant
>     representations of
>     the policy positions of global CS in relation to Internet Governance.
>
>     (It follows as well given the above that the overall commitments and
>     celebration of Multi-stakeholderism as the preferred model for
>     Internet
>     Governance (and increasingly for governance overall in the
>     Internet age)
>     needs to be seriously re-thought as per my recent blogpost.
>
>     http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/10/18/the-open-internet-society-and-its-e
>     nemies-can-multistakeholderism-survive-information-dominance/
>     <http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/10/18/the-open-internet-society-and-its-enemies-can-multistakeholderism-survive-information-dominance/>
>
>     M
>
>
>
>
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