[bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval - URGENT

Wed Dec 4 04:48:34 EST 2013

Hi Andrew,

Can I join stream 2 please? as a contributor.

Thank you,
Sana

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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Laura Mottaz (lmottaz at INTERNEWS.ORG) <
lmottaz at internews.org> wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
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> Could I join streams 1 and 2?
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> Thanks!
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> Laura
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> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Puddephatt
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:40 AM
> *To:* Ian Peter
> *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
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> *Subject:* RE: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval -
> URGENT
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> I meant I’m updating the list – although the lost may also be a good label
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> *Andrew Puddephatt* | *GLOBAL PARTNERS* DIGITAL
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> Executive Director
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> Development House, 56–64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT
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> *From:* Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com]
> *Sent:* 03 December 2013 18:58
> *To:* Andrew Puddephatt
> *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval -
> URGENT
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> Hi Andrew, can I join stream 3?
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> Ian Peter
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> *From:* Andrew Puddephatt <Andrew at gp-digital.org>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 2:21 AM
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> *To:* Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com> ; Gene Kimmleman
> (external) <genekimmelman at gmail.com>
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> *Cc:* Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> ; William Drake<william.drake at uzh.ch>;
> parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
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> *Subject:* RE: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval -
> URGENT
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> This is where we are
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> Jeremy has volunteered to co-ordinate Stream 1, Matthew Stream 2 and I
> will start with Stream 3.
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> The survey will close of December 10th – I’ve had six responses (thanks
> everyone) but the more the merrier.  I’d hope to analyse them by Dec 16 and
> be able to send round first thoughts on how to structure work.  I think we
> should aim to move very quickly and encourage people to submit their ideas
> to CGI
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> Volunteers so far are:
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> *Stream 1*
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> *Stream 2*
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> *Stream 3*
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> *Recommendation on process issues for the conference (remote
> participation, stakeholder representation and selection)*
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> *Substantive input on universal Internet principles (based on Marco Civil
> and/or other existing principles documents).*
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> *Substantive input on an institutional framework for multistakeholder
> Internet governance including:*
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> *1. Internationalisation of ICANN *
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> *2.International public policy issues (based on existing proposals put
> before the WGEC and the recommendations of the Correspondence Group).*
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> Andrew
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> Submission on the first high level principle dealing with free expression,
> privacy etc. > asserting ICCPR standards on free expression.
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> Submission on reforming internet governance that keep the dispersed
> structure and multi-stakeholder participation (which is likely to include
> ideas on internationalising ICANN and strengthening the IGF)
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> Matthew
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> x
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> Nnenna
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> Claudio
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> x - contribute, not lead
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> Valeria/ APC
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> x - contribute
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> x - contribute
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> Marianne/ IRP
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> Jeanette
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> x - listen and comment
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> Anriette APC
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> x
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> Anja
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> Joana
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> M. Gurstein
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> Marilia/ Joana
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> Rafik
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> Joy
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> Cynthia
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> Avri
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> Carolina
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> Misha
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> Deborah/Access
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> Poncelet
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> Bertrand
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> Parminder
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> Matthias will offer international legal expertise on all issues
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> *Andrew Puddephatt* | *GLOBAL PARTNERS* DIGITAL
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> Executive Director
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> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [
> mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net<bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>]
> *On Behalf Of *Carolina Rossini
> *Sent:* 03 December 2013 15:04
> *To:* Gene Kimmleman (external)
> *Cc:* Rafik Dammak; William Drake; parminder; <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval -
> URGENT
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> I agree. I do believe policy makers respond better when we have clear
> content proposals to make. For instance, the APC letter went up the latter
> really fast in the Brazilian government....
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> And I do feel we are in a crucial moment to develop such content focus
> proposals. I actually feel we are getting late. The sooner we can send in
> constructive proposals - based on the 3 items Andrew have sent - the
> better.
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> I also do feel the tension in this list has been too high sometimes, and I
> do wish people read emails as per their words...
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> Finally, Rafik, is there any news from your conversations at ICANN that
> you may have accessed and could share with us due to current mandate?
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> On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:19 PM, genekimmelman at gmail.com <
> genekimmelman at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Rafik, sorry if my message came across as aggressive,  it was not meant
> that way. I won't debate further either, you raise important points that
> deserve consideration.  I believe there have been some interesting process
> proposals put on the table to work out.  My tone was only meant to express
> my sense that we need to reach a point of resolution so we can focus
> adequate attention to substantive policy concerns.  And I must also admit
> that as a 30 year veteran of policy strategy,  I have never placed
> transparency as a goal equal to social equity, economic justice,  or the
> protection of fundamental human rights. Maybe  others in CS have a
> different hierarchy of concerns and therefore are more focused on how
> internal process rules are consistent with external demands of
> policymakers.  I'm just explaining that I personally think internal
> legitimacy of our group among those who opt in requires a sense of trust
> that may be quite different from transparency rules. And I look forward to
> working out how we can generate and maintain that trust as we actively
> engage in our work.
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/02/2013 9:49 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: genekimmelman at gmail.com
> Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>,Parminder <
> parminder at itforchange.net>,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval -
> URGENT
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> Hi Gene,
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> thanks for the reply. I feel some aggressive tone there with kind of mix
> of "shut-up" , "take it or leave it" and "if you don't like, you can quit",
> at least that is my interpretation . For sure that is not the best way to
> engage and convince people .
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> If I recall correctly the interim steering committee started this summer
> (july) and that is before the brazil meeting announcement in October. I
> guess that any interim steering committee has a first goal to propose a
> long-term setting or process and moving from the transitional phase. we can
> every time postpone that arguing we have new challenges and issues to
> handle, but till when? it looks like technical debt in the software
> development world.
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> There are concerns and I don't share all of them, but dismissing is not
> the answer .Why? because for every decision, move , they will pop-up again
> over again, why not to respond them now ?
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> I can live with Anriette proposal and find it acceptable while I found
> that term is long and can be shorten.
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> I feel that people are in defensive mode and react to critics. this
> discussion is not about individuals at all.
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> We as individuals involved in CS world in different manners and fora, we
> tend to lecture others about accountability, transparency, sometimes in the
> borderline of patronizing, shouldn't we live to those principles first?
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> I am not going further in this discussion since I think I expressed what I
> have to say already and not willing to disturb the social peace.
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> Best,
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> Rafik
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> 2013/12/2 genekimmelman at gmail.com <genekimmelman at gmail.com>
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> To be more specific,  maybe those with lingering concerns need to decide
> whether they want to participate on the best bits platform or not. You
> decide.  If you think you can make it work better,  please offer ideas like
> Anriette, Michael and others have done. I believe we decided in Bali on an
> approach and I endorse Anriette's path toward formalizing this. And I
> suggest we wrap up this conversation for now and move on to substance.
> Otherwise we delegitimze the broad support people worked towards over two
> days in Bali and make it more difficult to prepare for Brazil.
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/02/2013 8:22 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: genekimmelman at gmail.com
> Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>,Parminder <
> parminder at itforchange.net>,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval -
> URGENT
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> every response with such reluctance and  such kind of arguments raise more
> questions than giving answers or appeasing those with concerns.
>
> as reminder BestBits initiative started in august 2012 when people were
> talking about WCIT and prepared first meeting IGF Baku, we will be in 2014
> in few weeks and we are still with temporary settings.
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> Rafik
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> 2013/12/2 genekimmelman at gmail.com <genekimmelman at gmail.com>
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> Internal accountability to a group with shared goals may differ from
> societal/global policy goals that the group will agree to if all others
> with power agree as well.  Best not to confuse these.  We should be
> accountable but not create internal processes that make it impossible to
> coordinate policy actions.
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>
> Date: 12/02/2013 3:52 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Parminder Singh <parminder at itforchange.net>
> Cc: "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> Best Bits" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
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> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Best Bits MAG nominations for your approval -
> URGENT
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> +1!
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> On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:23 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
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> Civil society must always remain very vary of thinking of themselves as
> somehow so morally superior that they are exempt from normal accountability
> and transparency requirements
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