[bestbits] Call to Best Bits participants for nominations to Brazil meeting committees

[michael gurstein]

The problem Jeanette is that the "principles" that you and others seem to want to present/discuss are at such a high level of generality ("they need to represent all of CS") there really is almost nothing to discuss...

(BTW, the discussion pro/con/deepening of analysis of the Community Informatics Declaration on the (very high level Telecom/ICT policy list--almost exclusively US and EU) has now reached 70 substantive items and counting (in two days, over Christmas!).

M

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From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Jeanette Hofmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 8:29 PM
To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Call to Best Bits participants for nominations to Brazil meeting committees

Such debates about principles have never been helpful in this environment. Without reference to specific cases or concrete rules they appear hollow and create irritation.
I wish we could agree to discuss the issues and positions we want to see represented on any of those committees and pick the people who are able to present them well.

jeanette


Am 25.12.13 14:17, schrieb William Drake:
>
> On Dec 25, 2013, at 5:39 AM, Guru गुरु <Guru at ITforChange.net 
> <mailto:Guru at ITforChange.net>> wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> On 12/24/2013 07:58 PM, William Drake wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Guru गुरु <guru at itforchange.net 
>>> <mailto:guru at itforchange.net>> wrote:
>>>
>> snip
>>>
>>> One logic could be that many people who believe their views to be 
>>> consistent with advancing the interests of the 
>>> underrepresented/marginalized would have opposing positions on how 
>>> to do that.  So how then does one select on this criteria, other 
>>> than based on the views of the selectors, who’s the most aggressive 
>>> and persistent, etc?
>>>
>>> Neither Jeanette, Avri or I are saying CS shouldn’t be concerned 
>>> about ensuring representation of underrepresented/marginalized 
>>> views/groups, but rather that this is a hard criteria to apply in a 
>>> fair and neutral manner in a nomination process.
>>
>> its problematic to believe some criteria though important, are 
>> difficult to apply and can be avoided - (be aware) this is ideology 
>> of 'club membership' (re gurstein's mail) in operation.
>
> What a surprise to to hear that your ideology thinks it knows all 
> about my ideology and can explain my every utterance based on its 
> preferred willful misconstruction thereof.
>>
>> snip
>>> In contrast, the ability to work well with other stakeholders,
>>
>> what seems so easily fair to you, is perhaps just your ideology in 
>> operation
>
> Or at least your ideology’s misconstruction of my ideology.
>
> My, what a productive conversation.
>>
>> It would be useful for you to reflect on how much this ideology 
>> played a role in your being selected for the High Level Panel process 
>> as an “expert” advisor, while Milton Muller (who is known to speak 
>> his mind without worrying about 'being nice') was actually one of the 
>> CS nominees to the High Level Panel.
>>
>> (this may seem below the belt, request you to reflect on it in a 
>> non-personal manner)
>
> No, it is entirely what I would expect of what you and what Parminder 
> would call “your ilk”—a pathetic attempt at misrepresentation of 
> readily knowable facts in order to score cheap political points.
>
> In any event, this enlightening exchange underscored the concerns Avri 
> raised your criteria's likely abuse in the service of a narrow 
> ideology and the value of considering representatives who are inclined 
> to interact with others in a civil and professional manner.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill
>>
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