From jeremy at ciroap.org  Fri Nov  2 07:23:40 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:23:40 +0400
Subject: Best wishes for Best Bits without me
Message-ID: <9F46F06E-8BA5-471D-9167-1A72035F4D38@ciroap.org>

I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be staying until tomorrow having missed my connecting flight due to a flight delay. Therefore, I don't expect to be at Best Bits tomorrow. 

Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally, but since my involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind the scenes, I don't expect that it need have any effect on the success of your discussions and deliberations tomorrow.

Andrew has the details of how to establish the web conference - though he may ask one of you to lend him your webcam-enabled computer to use for this - and so I may even be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I arrive in person. 

All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing how you made this a great meeting in my absence. 

-- 
Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek 
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From joy at apc.org  Sat Nov  3 07:40:50 2012
From: joy at apc.org (joy)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:40:50 +1300
Subject: List of governments at the IGF
Message-ID: <509502C2.1030503@apc.org>

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Hi - for the tactics meeting here is the link to the list:
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Joy
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From dbu at donnybu.com  Tue Nov  6 02:55:07 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:55:07 +0700
Subject: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
In-Reply-To: <6A048AB8-D25D-4575-96F1-ED57B751B076@ciroap.org>
References: <2BA01659-8281-47ED-812A-725E656307DF@unog.ch>
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yes, i'm ok. altough we are close with the government, but we still keep
the distance. thats actually our strategy. we have do cooperaton with the
gov for certain issue like internet safety, but we stand on the differrent
side with the gov for other several issue like censorship.

ps: anyway, the un officer that not allowed me to distribute the postcards,
seems little bit surprise when I joined the indonesian delegation for
meeting with the UNdesa and the igf yesterday. but sorry again, i didnt
remember his name


-dbu-


On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:

> On 06/11/2012, at 11:17 AM, "Donny B.U." <dbu at donnybu.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dbu at donnybu.com');>>
> wrote:
>
> i dont want to argue furthermore with the UN officer, also because when he
> asked me not to distribute the postcards, around me are people from
> indonesian embassy including the ambasador and from the ict ministry. i
> have to respect them, as the formal delegation that will fight for the next
> igf.
>
>
> But you are OK that we raise it as a broader issue?  In the latest draft
> of the statement, I am concluding:
>
> "We urge the IGF Secretariat to clarify the position relating to the
> distribution of written materials at the IGF, and not to inhibit their
> distribution except in accordance with a clear set of written rules that
> has been promulgated to all delegates in advance.  Such rules should not
> blindly adhere to the UN protocols that may subsist in intergovernmental
> fora, given that the IGF is not a UN body but operates on a unique
> multi-stakeholder basis that encourages free and open discussion."
>
> --
>
> *Dr Jeremy Malcolm
> Senior Policy Officer
> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers*
> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur,
> Malaysia
> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
>
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>
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From dbu at donnybu.com  Tue Nov  6 03:05:11 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:05:11 +0700
Subject: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
In-Reply-To: <20121106073622.GA16912@tarvainen.info>
References: <2BA01659-8281-47ED-812A-725E656307DF@unog.ch>
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actually, for the postcard, i dont know if our gov will allowed or not. but
i pressume, they will not happy also :)
internally, in indonesia i mean, we fight for the transparancy of the
censorship.

thats why i put the postcard also in the public table. but for sure, the
main reason the UN officer explained to me about the postcard, is because
the message, not because the place where I put it :)

regards,

-dbu-

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:

> On Nov 06 14:17, Donny B.U. (dbu at donnybu.com <javascript:;>) wrote:
>
> > 1. random placement? i put on the on the public table and on the table of
> > indonesian booth. yesterday, we were preparing indonesian booth. so
> because
> > the table still empty, then we put some of the postcard at the table.
> > because we dont want our booth look empty, since other booth already has
> > content. so, we are not use the postcard for against indonesia government
>
> Maybe it would help if someone contacted Indonesian official
> representatives with the message that we'd like to help
> Indonesia in this wonderful promotion of theirs and are
> confused by UN's reaction to it, or something like that?
>
> > because its indonesian booth, i believe the indonesian gov that
> > have right to objection with the postcard, not the UN :)
>
> Agreed. It can be seen as UN action against Indonesia.
>
> > 2. reference country? i attached  what maybe the UN mean with that. it's
> a
> > marketing buzzword, "dangerously beautiful".. please do googling, and you
> > will find that word as promotion of indonesia by anyone.
>
> Right you are.
>
> > i dont want to argue furthermore with the UN officer, also because
> > when he asked me not to distribute the postcards, around me are
> > people from indonesian embassy including the ambasador and from the
> > ict ministry. i have to respect them, as the formal delegation that
> > will fight for the next igf.
>
> Understood. But playing this right we might get them to pick up the
> issue themselves, perhaps.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
>

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From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org  Tue Nov  6 03:11:18 2012
From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 12:11:18 +0400
Subject: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
In-Reply-To: <CAJOH5-wb1gv+PXpEJSUXat0HuR4ev7zG0xD5JFJM0Mqjm2to1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2BA01659-8281-47ED-812A-725E656307DF@unog.ch>
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Message-ID: <20121106081117.GB16912@tarvainen.info>

On Nov 06 15:05, Donny B.U. (dbu at donnybu.com) wrote:

> actually, for the postcard, i dont know if our gov will allowed or not. but
> i pressume, they will not happy also :)

That is fairly obvious. But if presented in the right way, they might
be pushed to a position where they see it in their best interest to take
your side in this.

So I'd like a message saying it's ridiculous for the UN to censor
postcards because they advertise Indonesia as dangerously beautiful,
at the same time praising Indonesia for their (!) pro-freedom-of-speech
stand here.

> internally, in indonesia i mean, we fight for the transparancy of the
> censorship.

Of course. But despite or indeed because of that it might be a good move
to confuse the issue by praising Indonesia as a country for your actions.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From william.drake at uzh.ch  Tue Nov  6 04:14:23 2012
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:14:23 +0400
Subject: meeting with US delegation
In-Reply-To: <CCBE683F.1FE1B%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>
References: <CCBE683F.1FE1B%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8E35FA10-B4A5-417A-9EDB-C58F22A01278@uzh.ch>

Hi Andrew

I missed this, who are you meeting with?  I'd be happy to join…and there is also the meeting I've mentioned on the governance list with USG tonight at 18:10 in room G.

Best,

Bill

On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Andrew Puddephatt wrote:

> You might remember that we have been invited to meet with two senior
> members of the US delegation to the IGF as a "Best Bits" group to discuss
> our issues with them.  The meeting will be held on
> Thursday at 12:30 in  Room E
> 
> Can you give me an idea if you're planning to come so I can pass on an
> idea of the numbers?
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew Puddephatt, Director
> Global Partners and Associates
> Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
> Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
> Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
> andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk
> <http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>
> 
> 
>> 
> 
> 



From dbu at donnybu.com  Tue Nov  6 05:09:12 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:09:12 +0700
Subject: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
In-Reply-To: <20121106081117.GB16912@tarvainen.info>
References: <2BA01659-8281-47ED-812A-725E656307DF@unog.ch>
	<4647C94D-5657-42A9-9F98-EA82DCB0F0D5@ciroap.org>
	<CAJOH5-xRbctd+0qM7MUJajAvBpr6Q6s6vtWUL5MgJZhS2EUjhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20121106073622.GA16912@tarvainen.info>
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	<20121106081117.GB16912@tarvainen.info>
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ok, i have his name, daniel dufour :)

-dbu-

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:

> On Nov 06 15:05, Donny B.U. (dbu at donnybu.com <javascript:;>) wrote:
>
> > actually, for the postcard, i dont know if our gov will allowed or not.
> but
> > i pressume, they will not happy also :)
>
> That is fairly obvious. But if presented in the right way, they might
> be pushed to a position where they see it in their best interest to take
> your side in this.
>
> So I'd like a message saying it's ridiculous for the UN to censor
> postcards because they advertise Indonesia as dangerously beautiful,
> at the same time praising Indonesia for their (!) pro-freedom-of-speech
> stand here.
>
> > internally, in indonesia i mean, we fight for the transparancy of the
> > censorship.
>
> Of course. But despite or indeed because of that it might be a good move
> to confuse the issue by praising Indonesia as a country for your actions.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
>

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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Tue Nov  6 08:08:11 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:08:11 +0400
Subject: Best Bits press conference, Thursday at 2pm
Message-ID: <5291638E-04ED-403A-9910-EEEED3DEBDB6@ciroap.org>

The Best Bits press conference will be held at 2pm on Thursday 8 November in the press room.  All of you are welcome to attend.  If you would like to be available for Q&A, please reply to the group so that we can sort that out ahead of time.

The conference will be short (we will try to keep to 10 minutes).  I suggest the following agenda:

1. Explain in 30 seconds our motivation for coming together at Best Bits.
2. Present our WCIT statement (Andrew, would it be possible for you to print a few copies?).
3. Present our single sentence about the IGF-level statement on Internet governance.
4. Possibly - mention our objection to the handling of the ICT Watch censorship postcards.

Item 4 above is up for discussion - do we, as a group, feel that censorship at the IGF is important enough to raise with the press?

There are no official daily press conferences planned, therefore we will have to do our own work to attract journalists to attend.  I am in touch with the European Union's press officer about this, but I could use some more help please.  If any of you have press contacts, please inform them of our plans.

We will also need a press release at the event, that any journos who attend can use as boilerplate for their report - does someone want to work on this?  If not I will do so.  We will have to choose one of the above items to focus on in the press release, as journalists won't report on more than one thing per press conference.

If you plan to be there, whether or not you will be on the panel, please reply to me off list.  Thanks!

-- 
Dr Jeremy Malcolm
Senior Policy Officer
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 7726 1599

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From dbu at donnybu.com  Tue Nov  6 09:39:44 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 21:39:44 +0700
Subject: update --> Re: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
Message-ID: <CAJOH5-xV6fncMVtLKZC_eimyDsZMW-FJ+-T_s+Rc06xidP7ppQ@mail.gmail.com>

dear jeremy and bestbits fellows,

chengethai masango from igf secretariat just met me, and he asked me about
the postcard incident.
after I explained to him, he said that what happened is misscommunication
from their side.
then he apologized for the communication. he said that ict watch can
distribute those postcards again.

ps: he also agree that maybe daniel dafoe, the officer that ask me not to
distribute the postcard, read the sentences in the postcards literally and
did not fully aware of the context. changetai said that he got some email
asking about that. and i do believe, the pressure from bestbits brought
significant impact to this. thank you :)



best regards,

-dbu-

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, Donny B.U. wrote:

> ok, i have his name, daniel dufour :)
>
> -dbu-
>
> On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
>
>> On Nov 06 15:05, Donny B.U. (dbu at donnybu.com) wrote:
>>
>> > actually, for the postcard, i dont know if our gov will allowed or not.
>> but
>> > i pressume, they will not happy also :)
>>
>> That is fairly obvious. But if presented in the right way, they might
>> be pushed to a position where they see it in their best interest to take
>> your side in this.
>>
>> So I'd like a message saying it's ridiculous for the UN to censor
>> postcards because they advertise Indonesia as dangerously beautiful,
>> at the same time praising Indonesia for their (!) pro-freedom-of-speech
>> stand here.
>>
>> > internally, in indonesia i mean, we fight for the transparancy of the
>> > censorship.
>>
>> Of course. But despite or indeed because of that it might be a good move
>> to confuse the issue by praising Indonesia as a country for your actions.
>>
>> --
>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>
>>
>
> --
> e: dbu at donnybu.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dbu at donnybu.com');> | t:
> @donnybu | f: donnybu | w: donnybu.com | p: +62818930932
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From kbankston at cdt.org  Tue Nov  6 09:43:13 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 18:43:13 +0400
Subject: Best Bits press conference, Thursday at 2pm
In-Reply-To: <5291638E-04ED-403A-9910-EEEED3DEBDB6@ciroap.org>
References: <5291638E-04ED-403A-9910-EEEED3DEBDB6@ciroap.org>
Message-ID: <46AE8A0C-8A45-4C98-9DFE-731FB5CBE1D5@cdt.org>

I think the postcard incident is an important issue but I fear that it will distract the press from our core focus, which is our two statements.
____________________________________
Kevin S. Bankston
Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
202.407.8834 direct
202.637.0968 fax
kbankston at cdt.org

Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech

On Nov 6, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:

> The Best Bits press conference will be held at 2pm on Thursday 8 November in the press room.  All of you are welcome to attend.  If you would like to be available for Q&A, please reply to the group so that we can sort that out ahead of time.
> 
> The conference will be short (we will try to keep to 10 minutes).  I suggest the following agenda:
> 
> 1. Explain in 30 seconds our motivation for coming together at Best Bits.
> 2. Present our WCIT statement (Andrew, would it be possible for you to print a few copies?).
> 3. Present our single sentence about the IGF-level statement on Internet governance.
> 4. Possibly - mention our objection to the handling of the ICT Watch censorship postcards.
> 
> Item 4 above is up for discussion - do we, as a group, feel that censorship at the IGF is important enough to raise with the press?
> 
> There are no official daily press conferences planned, therefore we will have to do our own work to attract journalists to attend.  I am in touch with the European Union's press officer about this, but I could use some more help please.  If any of you have press contacts, please inform them of our plans.
> 
> We will also need a press release at the event, that any journos who attend can use as boilerplate for their report - does someone want to work on this?  If not I will do so.  We will have to choose one of the above items to focus on in the press release, as journalists won't report on more than one thing per press conference.
> 
> If you plan to be there, whether or not you will be on the panel, please reply to me off list.  Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> Dr Jeremy Malcolm
> Senior Policy Officer
> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
> 
> Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission
> 
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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Tue Nov  6 09:45:07 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 18:45:07 +0400
Subject: update --> Re: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
In-Reply-To: <CAJOH5-xV6fncMVtLKZC_eimyDsZMW-FJ+-T_s+Rc06xidP7ppQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJOH5-xV6fncMVtLKZC_eimyDsZMW-FJ+-T_s+Rc06xidP7ppQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31F34642-85D0-4F2D-A571-28627600725F@ciroap.org>

On 06/11/2012, at 6:39 PM, Donny B.U. <dbu at donnybu.com> wrote:

> dear jeremy and bestbits fellows,
> 
> chengethai masango from igf secretariat just met me, and he asked me about the postcard incident.
> after I explained to him, he said that what happened is misscommunication from their side.
> then he apologized for the communication. he said that ict watch can distribute those postcards again. 
> 
> ps: he also agree that maybe daniel dafoe, the officer that ask me not to distribute the postcard, read the sentences in the postcards literally and did not fully aware of the context. changetai said that he got some email asking about that. and i do believe, the pressure from bestbits brought significant impact to this. thank you :)

I also spoke to him, and he said that he would aim to put some text on the IGF website to make the UN principles that apply to online and offline expression at the IGF more explicit.  If we have ideas for what these principles should be, I think that we should take the initiative to propose them.

-- 
Dr Jeremy Malcolm
Senior Policy Officer
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 7726 1599

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From anriette at apc.org  Tue Nov  6 09:53:24 2012
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:53:24 +0200
Subject: update --> Re: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
In-Reply-To: <31F34642-85D0-4F2D-A571-28627600725F@ciroap.org>
References: <CAJOH5-xV6fncMVtLKZC_eimyDsZMW-FJ+-T_s+Rc06xidP7ppQ@mail.gmail.com> <31F34642-85D0-4F2D-A571-28627600725F@ciroap.org>
Message-ID: <50992464.4080602@apc.org>

Hi all

I also spoke to the IGF secretariat and said that APC would be very
happy to have the postcards disseminated from our stand.

They said that would be fine.

I spoke with Adam Peake.

Anriette

On 06/11/2012 16:45, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
> On 06/11/2012, at 6:39 PM, Donny B.U. <dbu at donnybu.com> wrote:
>
>> dear jeremy and bestbits fellows,
>>
>> chengethai masango from igf secretariat just met me, and he asked me about the postcard incident.
>> after I explained to him, he said that what happened is misscommunication from their side.
>> then he apologized for the communication. he said that ict watch can distribute those postcards again. 
>>
>> ps: he also agree that maybe daniel dafoe, the officer that ask me not to distribute the postcard, read the sentences in the postcards literally and did not fully aware of the context. changetai said that he got some email asking about that. and i do believe, the pressure from bestbits brought significant impact to this. thank you :)
> I also spoke to him, and he said that he would aim to put some text on the IGF website to make the UN principles that apply to online and offline expression at the IGF more explicit.  If we have ideas for what these principles should be, I think that we should take the initiative to propose them.
>

-- 
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From gpaque at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 07:53:20 2012
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 06:53:20 -0500
Subject: Best wishes for Best Bits without me
In-Reply-To: <7649667a-e821-40fc-bf7b-3fcf320a4023@email.android.com>
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gingerpaque ... please inlude me. tx.

Ginger (Virginia) Paque

VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
www.diplomacy.edu/ig
**
**



On 3 November 2012 02:50, Avri Doria <avri at ella.com> wrote:

> Likewise, doriavr
> Thanks
>
>
> Katitza Rodriguez <katitza at eff.org> wrote:
>>
>> You can add my skype user, and i can add you to the session. I'm doing so
>> with a couple of people.
>>
>> username: itziaitamar
>>
>> On 11/3/12 9:46 AM, Narine Khachatryan wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>  Is there instructions how to connect remotely to Best Bits meeting?
>> Thank you,
>>
>>  Narine
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Brett Solomon <brett at accessnow.org>wrote:
>>
>>>  I just got here (18 hours late) - the visa situation was interesting,
>>> but got through unscathed. Now to brave the taxis at 2am :) Brett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Claudio Ruiz <
>>> claudio at derechosdigitales.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm in the same situation. I'm in London because of my Baku flight was
>>>> cancelled. I'm arriving tomorrow night.
>>>>
>>>>  -c
>>>>
>>>> El viernes, 2 de noviembre de 2012 a las 12:58, Ginger Paque escribió:
>>>>
>>>>  Sorry to hear this, Jeremy! However, I do think you have organized so
>>>> well that, indeed, the meeting will be a great success and a solid,
>>>> productive start to the IGF. See you online in remote participation!
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes and safe travels to all.
>>>> Ginger
>>>>
>>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>>>
>>>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>>>> Diplo Foundation
>>>> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
>>>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 November 2012 06:23, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be staying until
>>>> tomorrow having missed my connecting flight due to a flight delay.
>>>> Therefore, I don't expect to be at Best Bits tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally, but since my
>>>> involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind the scenes, I don't expect
>>>> that it need have any effect on the success of your discussions and
>>>> deliberations tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew has the details of how to establish the web conference - though
>>>> he may ask one of you to lend him your webcam-enabled computer to use for
>>>> this - and so I may even be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I
>>>> arrive in person.
>>>>
>>>> All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing how you made
>>>> this a great meeting in my absence.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
>>>> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>  Brett Solomon
>>> Executive Director | Access
>>> accessnow.org | rightscon.org
>>> +1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
>>> Key ID: 0x312B641A
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>> www.safe.am
>> www.immasin.am
>> www.mediaeducation.am
>>
>>  Linkedin Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/narinekhachatryan
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Katitza Rodriguez
>> International Rights Director
>> Electronic Frontier Foundationkatitza at eff.orgkatitza@datos-personales.org (personal email)
>>
>> Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990
>>
>>
> ~~~
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From ca at cafonso.ca  Tue Nov  6 12:36:08 2012
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:36:08 +0400
Subject: update --> Re: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
Message-ID: <7pxi8sl7rb0xqk57cac5mq5b.1352223352713@email.android.com>

Very good!

--c.a.




Carlos A. AfonsoAnriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> escreveu:Hi all

I also spoke to the IGF secretariat and said that APC would be very happy to have the postcards disseminated from our stand.

They said that would be fine.

I spoke with Adam Peake.

Anriette

On 06/11/2012 16:45, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
On 06/11/2012, at 6:39 PM, Donny B.U. <dbu at donnybu.com> wrote:

dear jeremy and bestbits fellows,

chengethai masango from igf secretariat just met me, and he asked me about the postcard incident.
after I explained to him, he said that what happened is misscommunication from their side.
then he apologized for the communication. he said that ict watch can distribute those postcards again. 

ps: he also agree that maybe daniel dafoe, the officer that ask me not to distribute the postcard, read the sentences in the postcards literally and did not fully aware of the context. changetai said that he got some email asking about that. and i do believe, the pressure from bestbits brought significant impact to this. thank you :)
I also spoke to him, and he said that he would aim to put some text on the IGF website to make the UN principles that apply to online and offline expression at the IGF more explicit.  If we have ideas for what these principles should be, I think that we should take the initiative to propose them.


-- 
------------------------------------------------------
anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org
executive director, association for progressive communications
www.apc.org
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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Tue Nov  6 13:53:46 2012
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:53:46 +0100
Subject: AW: Hoping to get your sign on- Civil Society Unity Statement on WCIT
References: <CALU7RQa5ALywus5rcPtK7eUKtd_uU1F9ef7p3nzf0qCtweEVQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:  <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CD5AF@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

Please add European Summer School on Internet Governance (SSIG) / Prof. Wolfgang Kleinwächter to the list.
 
w
 

________________________________

Von: Deborah Brown [mailto:deborah at accessnow.org]
Gesendet: Di 06.11.2012 07:21
An: bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org
Cc: Steve Anderson
Betreff: Hoping to get your sign on- Civil Society Unity Statement on WCIT


Hi all,  


We're really thrilled to have been part of the Best Bits statement and that it has been submitted with such broad sign on. 


As many of you know, there's been a really concise, less technical statement, that a number of groups have been involved in drafting and reviewing, a process that started a many weeks ago. 


More so than critiquing specific proposals, the goal of this statement is to mobilize grassroots groups and actors, and to get out a very simple message about the potential implications of the ITR revisions for human rights. The rationale for this statement is to create a concise rallying cry that diverse international civil society groups and individuals can sign - once they sign, the groups will be asked to activate their networks to be involved in other activism efforts and individuals will be contacted about future activism efforts as well..


Unlike the Best Bits submission, it is intentionally brief - this was created for organizations and people who aren't deeply engaged on this issue. That said, we think it's very important to get broad sign on from groups on this list because of your expertise and influence.


We're also planning to submit the statement to the ITU comments page. The following groups have signed on to the statement of unity: Access, Center for Democracy and Technology, Consumers International, Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), Fight For The Future, Free Press,Human Rights Watch, ICT Watch Indonesia, Mamfakinch, May First/People Link,, OpenMedia (Canada), OpenMedia (International), Open Technology Institute, Reporters Without Borders, Samuelson Glushko Canadian Internet Policy & Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC), and Thai Netizen Network.


The text of the of the unity statement is below. Please email Steve Anderson at OpenMedia (steve at openmedia.ca) or reply to this email if your organization would like to sign on. We are also accepting sign on from individuals. You can also view the statement at http://protectinternetfreedom.net/ (just note that there will be some small tweaks to the website).

	On December 3rd, the world's governments will meet to update a key treaty of a UN agency called the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). Some governments are proposing to extend ITU authority to Internet governance in ways that could threaten Internet openness and innovation, increase access costs, and erode human rights online.
	
	
	We call on civil society organizations and citizens of all nations to sign the following Statement to Protect Global Internet Freedom:
	
	
	Internet governance decisions should be made in a transparent manner with genuine multistakeholder participation from civil society, governments, and the private sector. We call on the ITU and its member states to embrace transparency and reject any proposals that might expand ITU authority to areas of Internet governance that threaten the exercise of human rights online.

Deborah Brown
Policy Analyst
Access | AccessNow.org
E. deborah at accessnow.org
S. deborah.l.brown
T. deblebrown
PGP 0x5EB4727D



From brett at accessnow.org  Wed Nov  7 01:41:35 2012
From: brett at accessnow.org (Brett Solomon)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 01:41:35 -0500
Subject: Putting it in context
Message-ID: <CAA5eo1KTXJB7JfEoC+FzOJMj07Lq8s3cw1FQY9jof6JoaVTwug@mail.gmail.com>

http://en.irangreenvoice.com/article/2012/nov/06/3860

Sattar Beheshti was
arrested<http://en.irangreenvoice.com/article/2012/nov/06/3856>
*by Iran’s cyber police on national security charges* on 30 October. After
raiding his home and violently arresting the young activist, the security
forces confiscated his personal belongings, including his computer and
handwritten note*s.*
Activist Sattar Beheshti dies under torture in Iran's Evin Prison
created 11/06/2012 - 21:06, updated 11/06/2012 - 21:30

GVF — Exactly a week after his
arrest<http://en.irangreenvoice.com/article/2012/nov/06/3856>by Iran’s
cyber police, labour activist Sattar Beheshti has died as a
result of torture at the hands of his captors, according to opposition
reports.

*Kaleme*, a site close to Green Movement leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, said
on Tuesday that Beheshti had died under torture.

The Beheshti family were reportedly contacted by the authorities on Tuesday
morning and told that they were to refer to Evin Prison to receive the 35
year-old’s body.

The website said it could not confirm Beheshti’s death because prison
authorities had not yet handed over his body to the family.

“According to eyewitnesses who had spoken to family members held at Evin
Prison, Beheshti had been severely beaten and tortured while under
interrogation. Bruises and torture marks were noticeable on the political
prisoner’s body, face and head,” *Kaleme* added.

Beheshti’s sister told *Kaleme* that her husband was contacted by the
authorities and told to “prepare” Beheshti’s mother for the news.

“They told him to buy a grave, and to collect the body tomorrow [7
November]. That’s it! We know nothing else. We don’t know why they killed
him, or what exactly happened [to him]. We don’t know what happened. My
brother was well when he left the house. He left on his own two feet.
Everyone saw that he was healthy. My brother didn’t even take headache
pills.”

“They told [us] not to give interviews to anyone,” she went on to add.

“They said he had heart problems!”

Sattar Beheshti was
arrested<http://en.irangreenvoice.com/article/2012/nov/06/3856>by
Iran’s cyber police on national security charges on 30 October. After
raiding his home and violently arresting the young activist, the security
forces confiscated his personal belongings, including his computer and
handwritten notes.

Beheshti was a worker in the city of Robat Karim, 25 kilometers southwest
of the nation’s capital Tehran. He was his family’s only breadwinner and
was reportedly active on the social networking site *Facebook*.

Launched in January 2011, Iran’s cyber police has been an important element
in the state’s relentless crackdown on online activism.



-- 
Brett Solomon
Executive Director | Access
accessnow.org | rightscon.org
+1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
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From steve at openmedia.ca  Wed Nov  7 04:29:31 2012
From: steve at openmedia.ca (Steve Anderson)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 01:29:31 -0800
Subject: Hoping to get your sign on- Civil Society Unity Statement on WCIT
In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CD5AF@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
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Done! Others can sign on to the statement themselves here:
http://protectinternetfreedom.net/

Or you can just email me like Wolfgang did.

Here's the statement:

"Internet governance decisions should be made in a transparent manner with
genuine multistakeholder participation from civil society, governments, and
the private sector. We call on the ITU and its member states to embrace
transparency and reject any proposals that might expand ITU authority to
areas of Internet governance that threaten the exercise of human rights
online."

Current signatories:

Bangladesh

❯ Monthly Community Media
❯ ChangeMaker - Society for Social and Economic Development
❯ Center for E-Parliament Research
❯ Machizo Multimedia Communication
❯ Bangladesh Internet Governance Forum
❯ Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication(BNNRC)

Belgium

❯ CCIA
❯ European Youth Forum (YFJ)
❯ IFIP

Brazil

❯ Instituto NUPEF
❯ CTS/FGV

Canada

❯ Samuelson Glushko Canadian Internet Policy & Public Interest Clinic
(CIPPIC)
❯ OpenMedia
❯ Affinity Bridge
❯ Simple Jobz
❯ Centre for Community Informatics Research, Development and Training

Chile

❯ ONG Derechos Digitales

Egypt

❯ Global Voices Arabic Lingua

Germany

❯ European Summer School on Internet Governance (SSIG)
❯ Committee for a Democratic U.N.

Indonesia

❯ ICT Watch Indonesia

International

❯ Consumers International
❯ Human Rights Watch
❯ OpenMedia International
❯ Reporters Without Borders
❯ Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
❯ Access
❯ Global Voices Advocacy

Morocco

❯ Mamfakinch

New Zealand

❯ InternetNZ

Nigeria

❯ AgeCare Foundation
❯ Ministry of Agriculture and Natural Resources

Pakistan

❯ Digital Rights Foundation

Senegal

❯ ADEC

Spain

❯ Complutense Univ.- Cyberlaw Clinic

Thailand

❯ Thai Netizen Network

Uganda

❯ i freedom Uganda

United Kingdom

❯ Code Curators
❯ In Your Face Studios

United States

❯ Fight For The Future
❯ May First/People Link
❯ Center for Democracy and Technology
❯ Free Press

Sign on here:
http://protectinternetfreedom.net/

--
Steve Anderson
Executive Director, OpenMedia.ca
604-837-5730
http://openmedia.ca
steve at openmedia.ca

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Friend me on Facebook


*The TPP's Internet trap is secretive, extreme, and it could criminalize
your daily use of the Internet. Take a stand: http://StopTheTrap.net

What will online spying cost you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZILMivNgI&list=UUC-1UQ7bpqa_HpRCDfmCQUg&index=1&feature=plcp

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On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <
wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
>
> Please add European Summer School on Internet Governance (SSIG) / Prof.
Wolfgang Kleinwächter to the list.
>
> w
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: Deborah Brown [mailto:deborah at accessnow.org]
> Gesendet: Di 06.11.2012 07:21
> An: bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org
> Cc: Steve Anderson
> Betreff: Hoping to get your sign on- Civil Society Unity Statement on WCIT
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> We're really thrilled to have been part of the Best Bits statement and
that it has been submitted with such broad sign on.
>
>
> As many of you know, there's been a really concise, less technical
statement, that a number of groups have been involved in drafting and
reviewing, a process that started a many weeks ago.
>
>
> More so than critiquing specific proposals, the goal of this statement is
to mobilize grassroots groups and actors, and to get out a very simple
message about the potential implications of the ITR revisions for human
rights. The rationale for this statement is to create a concise rallying
cry that diverse international civil society groups and individuals can
sign - once they sign, the groups will be asked to activate their networks
to be involved in other activism efforts and individuals will be contacted
about future activism efforts as well..
>
>
> Unlike the Best Bits submission, it is intentionally brief - this was
created for organizations and people who aren't deeply engaged on this
issue. That said, we think it's very important to get broad sign on from
groups on this list because of your expertise and influence.
>
>
> We're also planning to submit the statement to the ITU comments page. The
following groups have signed on to the statement of unity: Access, Center
for Democracy and Technology, Consumers International, Electronic Frontier
Foundation (EFF), Fight For The Future, Free Press,Human Rights Watch, ICT
Watch Indonesia, Mamfakinch, May First/People Link,, OpenMedia (Canada),
OpenMedia (International), Open Technology Institute, Reporters Without
Borders, Samuelson Glushko Canadian Internet Policy & Public Interest
Clinic (CIPPIC), and Thai Netizen Network.
>
>
> The text of the of the unity statement is below. Please email Steve
Anderson at OpenMedia (steve at openmedia.ca) or reply to this email if your
organization would like to sign on. We are also accepting sign on from
individuals. You can also view the statement at
http://protectinternetfreedom.net/ (just note that there will be some small
tweaks to the website).
>
>         On December 3rd, the world's governments will meet to update a
key treaty of a UN agency called the International Telecommunication Union
(ITU). Some governments are proposing to extend ITU authority to Internet
governance in ways that could threaten Internet openness and innovation,
increase access costs, and erode human rights online.
>
>
>         We call on civil society organizations and citizens of all
nations to sign the following Statement to Protect Global Internet Freedom:
>
>
>         Internet governance decisions should be made in a transparent
manner with genuine multistakeholder participation from civil society,
governments, and the private sector. We call on the ITU and its member
states to embrace transparency and reject any proposals that might expand
ITU authority to areas of Internet governance that threaten the exercise of
human rights online.
>
> Deborah Brown
> Policy Analyst
> Access | AccessNow.org
> E. deborah at accessnow.org
> S. deborah.l.brown
> T. deblebrown
> PGP 0x5EB4727D
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From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org  Wed Nov  7 04:32:50 2012
From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 13:32:50 +0400
Subject: update --> Re: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
In-Reply-To: <CAJOH5-xV6fncMVtLKZC_eimyDsZMW-FJ+-T_s+Rc06xidP7ppQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJOH5-xV6fncMVtLKZC_eimyDsZMW-FJ+-T_s+Rc06xidP7ppQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121107093250.GA22300@tarvainen.info>

On Nov 06 21:39, Donny B.U. (dbu at donnybu.com) wrote:

> chengethai masango from igf secretariat just met me, and he asked me
> about the postcard incident. after I explained to him, he said that
> what happened is misscommunication from their side. then he
> apologized for the communication. he said that ict watch can
> distribute those postcards again.

I just dropped at the Indonesian booth and they indeed have
the postcards, except the "government censorship protecting
you from reality" one - have they ran out?
(The person there didn't know anything, I complimented
Indonesia for brilliant postcards...)

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From jeremy at ciroap.org  Wed Nov  7 07:09:48 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 16:09:48 +0400
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
Message-ID: <5A7B403A-2A23-4867-8228-FDF29444E425@ciroap.org>

Here's a draft press release for tomorrow:

http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr

Sorry for the delay, which was because I lost Internet connectivity for most of the day.

Feel free to jump in and improve it; I'll print it when I get back to the hotel tonight, or at the IGF tomorrow.  We have hit 30 signatories by my records (Pranesh, does your list accord with mine?), and we are now also accepting endorsements, which can be added directly on the website: http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/.

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From kbankston at cdt.org  Wed Nov  7 08:16:18 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:16:18 +0400
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
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References: <5A7B403A-2A23-4867-8228-FDF29444E425@ciroap.org>
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Hi Jeremy--made a small clarifying edit making clear we are criticizing the *lack* of transparency and inclusiveness in the process.  Thanks again for taking lead on this!

Sent via mobile

On Nov 7, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:

> Here's a draft press release for tomorrow:
> 
> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr
> 
> Sorry for the delay, which was because I lost Internet connectivity for most of the day.
> 
> Feel free to jump in and improve it; I'll print it when I get back to the hotel tonight, or at the IGF tomorrow.  We have hit 30 signatories by my records (Pranesh, does your list accord with mine?), and we are now also accepting endorsements, which can be added directly on the website: http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/.
> 
> -- 
> Dr Jeremy Malcolm
> Senior Policy Officer
> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
> 
> Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission
> 
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Wed Nov  7 15:05:00 2012
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder at itforchange.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 12:05:00 -0800
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
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Hi Jeremy

A few comments on the draft of the press release

1. the heading - "NGOs: Internet governance will evolve, but not through
ITU" mis represents what was agreed at the meeting. We did agree in the
last sentence of our statement or an ITU role in net neutrality, universal
service etc, vis a vis the Internet. At another place too we identify
which layer of the Internet onwards (alone) no 'regulation' should take
place.   In this light, I cant understand why a heading that calls for the
ITU to take its hands off all parts and aspects of the Internet is being
used.

2. in a later part of the draft, the phrase 'Besides criticizing the ITR
revision plans' suggests that we want no revision at all of the ITRs, As
someone said at our meeting, even EU (if i remember right) also agrees
that some revisions (in whichever directions)may indeed be needed. So, the
use of this phrase is not appropriate.

3. The part " calls upon the ITU to promote principles such as affordable
access to the Internet and effective competition" seem to conspicuously
miss .net neutrality'. Is there any specific reason for that.

4. I have a problem with putting the headline as it is , and then saying
'Besides criticising the ITR revision plans, the same group of civil
society organisations and experts also laid out a positive agenda for the
Internet Governance Forum;. This seem to suggest that the kind of things
we want to stop from happening at the ITU should rather happen at the
IGF..... This is a wrong equation. ITU and IGF are entirely in different
parts of a policy making ecology. One cant replace the other..... Any such
indication should be clearly avoided.

thanks

parminder


> Here's a draft press release for tomorrow:
>
> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr
>
> Sorry for the delay, which was because I lost Internet connectivity for
> most of the day.
>
> Feel free to jump in and improve it; I'll print it when I get back to the
> hotel tonight, or at the IGF tomorrow.  We have hit 30 signatories by my
> records (Pranesh, does your list accord with mine?), and we are now also
> accepting endorsements, which can be added directly on the website:
> http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/.
>
> --
> Dr Jeremy Malcolm
> Senior Policy Officer
> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur,
> Malaysia
> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
>
> Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015:
> http://consint.info/RightsMission
>
> @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org |
> www.facebook.com/consumersinternational
>
> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless
> necessary.
>
>
>




From Andrew at global-partners.co.uk  Wed Nov  7 20:53:53 2012
From: Andrew at global-partners.co.uk (Andrew Puddephatt)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 01:53:53 +0000
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <5ada688686d64d052c1d4bc42904a7c4.squirrel@www.itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <CCC0BE5D.20266%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>

I think Parminder's comments highlight the difficulties of producing a
detailed press release about an event where the common position was
crafted word by word over several hours.

I would support saying y something simple:

CS groups meeting before Baku called for:

Greater transparency in the WCIT negotiations
For proposed revisions to the ITRs to be judged by their impact on the
public interest and fundamental human rights

Then a quote from Jeremy  followed by details and contacts

I would always keep press releases short

Andrew Puddephatt, Director
Global Partners and Associates
Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk
<http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>





On 07/11/2012 20:05, "parminder at itforchange.net"
<parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

>
>Hi Jeremy
>
>A few comments on the draft of the press release
>
>1. the heading - "NGOs: Internet governance will evolve, but not through
>ITU" mis represents what was agreed at the meeting. We did agree in the
>last sentence of our statement or an ITU role in net neutrality, universal
>service etc, vis a vis the Internet. At another place too we identify
>which layer of the Internet onwards (alone) no 'regulation' should take
>place.   In this light, I cant understand why a heading that calls for the
>ITU to take its hands off all parts and aspects of the Internet is being
>used.
>
>2. in a later part of the draft, the phrase 'Besides criticizing the ITR
>revision plans' suggests that we want no revision at all of the ITRs, As
>someone said at our meeting, even EU (if i remember right) also agrees
>that some revisions (in whichever directions)may indeed be needed. So, the
>use of this phrase is not appropriate.
>
>3. The part " calls upon the ITU to promote principles such as affordable
>access to the Internet and effective competition" seem to conspicuously
>miss .net neutrality'. Is there any specific reason for that.
>
>4. I have a problem with putting the headline as it is , and then saying
>'Besides criticising the ITR revision plans, the same group of civil
>society organisations and experts also laid out a positive agenda for the
>Internet Governance Forum;. This seem to suggest that the kind of things
>we want to stop from happening at the ITU should rather happen at the
>IGF..... This is a wrong equation. ITU and IGF are entirely in different
>parts of a policy making ecology. One cant replace the other..... Any such
>indication should be clearly avoided.
>
>thanks
>
>parminder
>
>
>> Here's a draft press release for tomorrow:
>>
>> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr
>>
>> Sorry for the delay, which was because I lost Internet connectivity for
>> most of the day.
>>
>> Feel free to jump in and improve it; I'll print it when I get back to
>>the
>> hotel tonight, or at the IGF tomorrow.  We have hit 30 signatories by my
>> records (Pranesh, does your list accord with mine?), and we are now also
>> accepting endorsements, which can be added directly on the website:
>> http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/.
>>
>> --
>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm
>> Senior Policy Officer
>> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
>> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur,
>> Malaysia
>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
>>
>> Your rights, our mission ­ download CI's Strategy 2015:
>> http://consint.info/RightsMission
>>
>> @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org |
>> www.facebook.com/consumersinternational
>>
>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless
>> necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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From Andrew at global-partners.co.uk  Wed Nov  7 21:01:42 2012
From: Andrew at global-partners.co.uk (Andrew Puddephatt)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 02:01:42 +0000
Subject: two requests
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To remind those who are interested

A meeting with the US delegation today, Thursday 12;30 meeting: Room E.

And does anyone know of any solid research on the link between an open multi-stakeholder internet and economic activity – or even the internet and its impact ion economic development.  I thought the McKinsey report was poor



Andrew Puddephatt, Director          Global Partners and Associates
Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
andrew at global-partners.co.uk<mailto:andrew at global-partners.co.uk>                  www.global-partners.co.uk<http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>

From: Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org<mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org>>
Date: Tuesday, 6 November 2012 13:08
To: "<bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>> Bits" <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>>
Subject: Best Bits press conference, Thursday at 2pm

The Best Bits press conference will be held at 2pm on Thursday 8 November in the press room.  All of you are welcome to attend.  If you would like to be available for Q&A, please reply to the group so that we can sort that out ahead of time.

The conference will be short (we will try to keep to 10 minutes).  I suggest the following agenda:

1. Explain in 30 seconds our motivation for coming together at Best Bits.
2. Present our WCIT statement (Andrew, would it be possible for you to print a few copies?).
3. Present our single sentence about the IGF-level statement on Internet governance.
4. Possibly - mention our objection to the handling of the ICT Watch censorship postcards.

Item 4 above is up for discussion - do we, as a group, feel that censorship at the IGF is important enough to raise with the press?

There are no official daily press conferences planned, therefore we will have to do our own work to attract journalists to attend.  I am in touch with the European Union's press officer about this, but I could use some more help please.  If any of you have press contacts, please inform them of our plans.

We will also need a press release at the event, that any journos who attend can use as boilerplate for their report - does someone want to work on this?  If not I will do so.  We will have to choose one of the above items to focus on in the press release, as journalists won't report on more than one thing per press conference.

If you plan to be there, whether or not you will be on the panel, please reply to me off list.  Thanks!

--

Dr Jeremy Malcolm
Senior Policy Officer
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 7726 1599

Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission

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From ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 07:55:42 2012
From: ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com (Narine Khachatryan)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 15:55:42 +0400
Subject: Best wishes for Best Bits without me
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NKhachatryan, please include me,

Narine

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:

> gingerpaque ... please inlude me. tx.
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
> Diplo Foundation
> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
> **
> **
>
>
>
> On 3 November 2012 02:50, Avri Doria <avri at ella.com> wrote:
>
>> Likewise, doriavr
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Katitza Rodriguez <katitza at eff.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can add my skype user, and i can add you to the session. I'm doing
>>> so with a couple of people.
>>>
>>> username: itziaitamar
>>>
>>> On 11/3/12 9:46 AM, Narine Khachatryan wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>  Is there instructions how to connect remotely to Best Bits meeting?
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>  Narine
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Brett Solomon <brett at accessnow.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I just got here (18 hours late) - the visa situation was interesting,
>>>> but got through unscathed. Now to brave the taxis at 2am :) Brett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Claudio Ruiz <
>>>> claudio at derechosdigitales.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm in the same situation. I'm in London because of my Baku flight was
>>>>> cancelled. I'm arriving tomorrow night.
>>>>>
>>>>>  -c
>>>>>
>>>>> El viernes, 2 de noviembre de 2012 a las 12:58, Ginger Paque escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sorry to hear this, Jeremy! However, I do think you have organized
>>>>> so well that, indeed, the meeting will be a great success and a solid,
>>>>> productive start to the IGF. See you online in remote participation!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes and safe travels to all.
>>>>> Ginger
>>>>>
>>>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>>>>
>>>>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>>>>> Diplo Foundation
>>>>> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
>>>>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 November 2012 06:23, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be staying
>>>>> until tomorrow having missed my connecting flight due to a flight delay.
>>>>> Therefore, I don't expect to be at Best Bits tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally, but since
>>>>> my involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind the scenes, I don't
>>>>> expect that it need have any effect on the success of your discussions and
>>>>> deliberations tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew has the details of how to establish the web conference - though
>>>>> he may ask one of you to lend him your webcam-enabled computer to use for
>>>>> this - and so I may even be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I
>>>>> arrive in person.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing how you
>>>>> made this a great meeting in my absence.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
>>>>> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>>  Brett Solomon
>>>> Executive Director | Access
>>>> accessnow.org | rightscon.org
>>>> +1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
>>>> Key ID: 0x312B641A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>> www.safe.am
>>> www.immasin.am
>>> www.mediaeducation.am
>>>
>>>  Linkedin Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/narinekhachatryan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Katitza Rodriguez
>>> International Rights Director
>>> Electronic Frontier Foundationkatitza at eff.orgkatitza@datos-personales.org (personal email)
>>>
>>> Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990
>>>
>>>
>> ~~~
>> avri
>>
>
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Wed Nov  7 22:52:13 2012
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder at itforchange.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 19:52:13 -0800
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CCC0BE5D.20266%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>
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Andrew/ Jeremy/ All

I am all for a detailed press note, with real substantive stuff. Something
which can also give prominence to the BestBits initiative. And i believe
that it is possible to draft such a detailed press note relying on the
final statement we agree on by anyone who sat and participated during the
2 day meeting, whereby the important concerns of different parties can be
kept in mind.

i suggest we use a heading like 'Internet governance should promote not
stifle Internet' or something like that

I am fine if we include the other, relatively unconnected initiative we
took on the Internet rights and principles issue in the meeting, in the
same press note.... but do it by making a reltively distinct seperation -
starting the para, something like, ---- on another note, the group also
.....


thanks, parminder






> I think Parminder's comments highlight the difficulties of producing a
> detailed press release about an event where the common position was
> crafted word by word over several hours.
>
> I would support saying y something simple:
>
> CS groups meeting before Baku called for:
>
> Greater transparency in the WCIT negotiations
> For proposed revisions to the ITRs to be judged by their impact on the
> public interest and fundamental human rights
>
> Then a quote from Jeremy  followed by details and contacts
>
> I would always keep press releases short
>
> Andrew Puddephatt, Director
> Global Partners and Associates
> Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
> Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
> Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
> andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk
> <http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 07/11/2012 20:05, "parminder at itforchange.net"
> <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi Jeremy
>>
>>A few comments on the draft of the press release
>>
>>1. the heading - "NGOs: Internet governance will evolve, but not through
>>ITU" mis represents what was agreed at the meeting. We did agree in the
>>last sentence of our statement or an ITU role in net neutrality,
>> universal
>>service etc, vis a vis the Internet. At another place too we identify
>>which layer of the Internet onwards (alone) no 'regulation' should take
>>place.   In this light, I cant understand why a heading that calls for
>> the
>>ITU to take its hands off all parts and aspects of the Internet is being
>>used.
>>
>>2. in a later part of the draft, the phrase 'Besides criticizing the ITR
>>revision plans' suggests that we want no revision at all of the ITRs, As
>>someone said at our meeting, even EU (if i remember right) also agrees
>>that some revisions (in whichever directions)may indeed be needed. So,
>> the
>>use of this phrase is not appropriate.
>>
>>3. The part " calls upon the ITU to promote principles such as affordable
>>access to the Internet and effective competition" seem to conspicuously
>>miss .net neutrality'. Is there any specific reason for that.
>>
>>4. I have a problem with putting the headline as it is , and then saying
>>'Besides criticising the ITR revision plans, the same group of civil
>>society organisations and experts also laid out a positive agenda for the
>>Internet Governance Forum;. This seem to suggest that the kind of things
>>we want to stop from happening at the ITU should rather happen at the
>>IGF..... This is a wrong equation. ITU and IGF are entirely in different
>>parts of a policy making ecology. One cant replace the other..... Any
>> such
>>indication should be clearly avoided.
>>
>>thanks
>>
>>parminder
>>
>>
>>> Here's a draft press release for tomorrow:
>>>
>>> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay, which was because I lost Internet connectivity for
>>> most of the day.
>>>
>>> Feel free to jump in and improve it; I'll print it when I get back to
>>>the
>>> hotel tonight, or at the IGF tomorrow.  We have hit 30 signatories by
>>> my
>>> records (Pranesh, does your list accord with mine?), and we are now
>>> also
>>> accepting endorsements, which can be added directly on the website:
>>> http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm
>>> Senior Policy Officer
>>> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
>>> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
>>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur,
>>> Malaysia
>>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
>>>
>>> Your rights, our mission ­ download CI's Strategy 2015:
>>> http://consint.info/RightsMission
>>>
>>> @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org |
>>> www.facebook.com/consumersinternational
>>>
>>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless
>>> necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>




From joy at apc.org  Thu Nov  8 07:57:44 2012
From: joy at apc.org (joy)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:57:44 +0400
Subject: Fwd: [APC-IGF] APC IGF Party Nov 8th
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Hi all - this is an invitation to the Best Bits attendees to come to
the APC party. Apologies for any cross posting.
We hope you can make it
Cheers
Joy


- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[APC-IGF] APC IGF Party Nov 8th
Date: 	Wed, 7 Nov 2012 10:59:03 +0200
From: 	Alexandra Groome <alexandra.groome at gmail.com>
Reply-To: 	Private work space for APC members, staff and partners
participating in the IGF <apc-igf at lists.apc.org>
To: 	staff and partners participating in the IGF Private work space for
APC members <apc-igf at lists.apc.org>
CC: 	APC Team <apcteam at lists.apc.org>



Dear friends & colleagues,

This is a follow-up message to your invite to the APC party on Thursday,
November 8th with more information.

The APC party will be at Baki Bulvari, on the waterfront downtown.

*Time: *7pm

*Cost: *30 Manat (alcoholic drinks extra). Please if at all
possible, bring cash rather than credit card and pay on arrival.
*
Directions: *The restaurant is in the boulevard (bulvar) on
the waterfront. The restaurant is less than a hundred metres or so from
the park entrance:  Google map: http://goo.gl/maps/tkjgk

If coming by taxi, ask to go to Hotel Absheron. When close, ask
the driver to drop you at the waterfront, where there is a large blue
and white sign for Deniz Vagzali, the Marine Port Authority and a
taxi stand. To the right of that building is the bulvar park. Enter the
park and turn left walk directly to the waterfront (there is a theme
park with rides nearby: be sure not to walk into that area, but to stay
on the path beside the port authority and walk to the waterfront).

/If you get lost you or need help call:
/Anriette Esterhuysen: +27 83 456 3224
Shawna Finnegan: +204 951 6369

Please share this invitation with others and if you have not already
done so, RSVP with alexandra at apc.org <mailto:alexandra at apc.org>


Kind regards,

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From parminder at itforchange.net  Wed Nov  7 22:58:17 2012
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder at itforchange.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 19:58:17 -0800
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <615d08d6b14952af7e63e663668814df.squirrel@www.itforchange.net>
References: <CCC0BE5D.20266%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>
    <615d08d6b14952af7e63e663668814df.squirrel@www.itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <c4d7b11814fc857ce90980f954b4beef.squirrel@www.itforchange.net>


To avoid confusion I thought I must state that my email below seeks to
provide a way to go forward with a relatively detailed press note while
considering the problems I earlier stated about the current draft.... The
things I suggested should be removed/ added to the text, i think should
still be removed/ added

thanks

parminder

>
> Andrew/ Jeremy/ All
>
> I am all for a detailed press note, with real substantive stuff. Something
> which can also give prominence to the BestBits initiative. And i believe
> that it is possible to draft such a detailed press note relying on the
> final statement we agree on by anyone who sat and participated during the
> 2 day meeting, whereby the important concerns of different parties can be
> kept in mind.
>
> i suggest we use a heading like 'Internet governance should promote not
> stifle Internet' or something like that
>
> I am fine if we include the other, relatively unconnected initiative we
> took on the Internet rights and principles issue in the meeting, in the
> same press note.... but do it by making a reltively distinct seperation -
> starting the para, something like, ---- on another note, the group also
> .....
>
>
> thanks, parminder
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> I think Parminder's comments highlight the difficulties of producing a
>> detailed press release about an event where the common position was
>> crafted word by word over several hours.
>>
>> I would support saying y something simple:
>>
>> CS groups meeting before Baku called for:
>>
>> Greater transparency in the WCIT negotiations
>> For proposed revisions to the ITRs to be judged by their impact on the
>> public interest and fundamental human rights
>>
>> Then a quote from Jeremy  followed by details and contacts
>>
>> I would always keep press releases short
>>
>> Andrew Puddephatt, Director
>> Global Partners and Associates
>> Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
>> Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
>> Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
>> andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk
>> <http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/11/2012 20:05, "parminder at itforchange.net"
>> <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hi Jeremy
>>>
>>>A few comments on the draft of the press release
>>>
>>>1. the heading - "NGOs: Internet governance will evolve, but not through
>>>ITU" mis represents what was agreed at the meeting. We did agree in the
>>>last sentence of our statement or an ITU role in net neutrality,
>>> universal
>>>service etc, vis a vis the Internet. At another place too we identify
>>>which layer of the Internet onwards (alone) no 'regulation' should take
>>>place.   In this light, I cant understand why a heading that calls for
>>> the
>>>ITU to take its hands off all parts and aspects of the Internet is being
>>>used.
>>>
>>>2. in a later part of the draft, the phrase 'Besides criticizing the ITR
>>>revision plans' suggests that we want no revision at all of the ITRs, As
>>>someone said at our meeting, even EU (if i remember right) also agrees
>>>that some revisions (in whichever directions)may indeed be needed. So,
>>> the
>>>use of this phrase is not appropriate.
>>>
>>>3. The part " calls upon the ITU to promote principles such as
>>> affordable
>>>access to the Internet and effective competition" seem to conspicuously
>>>miss .net neutrality'. Is there any specific reason for that.
>>>
>>>4. I have a problem with putting the headline as it is , and then saying
>>>'Besides criticising the ITR revision plans, the same group of civil
>>>society organisations and experts also laid out a positive agenda for
>>> the
>>>Internet Governance Forum;. This seem to suggest that the kind of things
>>>we want to stop from happening at the ITU should rather happen at the
>>>IGF..... This is a wrong equation. ITU and IGF are entirely in different
>>>parts of a policy making ecology. One cant replace the other..... Any
>>> such
>>>indication should be clearly avoided.
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>
>>>parminder
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here's a draft press release for tomorrow:
>>>>
>>>> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the delay, which was because I lost Internet connectivity
>>>> for
>>>> most of the day.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to jump in and improve it; I'll print it when I get back to
>>>>the
>>>> hotel tonight, or at the IGF tomorrow.  We have hit 30 signatories by
>>>> my
>>>> records (Pranesh, does your list accord with mine?), and we are now
>>>> also
>>>> accepting endorsements, which can be added directly on the website:
>>>> http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm
>>>> Senior Policy Officer
>>>> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
>>>> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
>>>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur,
>>>> Malaysia
>>>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
>>>>
>>>> Your rights, our mission ­ download CI's Strategy 2015:
>>>> http://consint.info/RightsMission
>>>>
>>>> @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org |
>>>> www.facebook.com/consumersinternational
>>>>
>>>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless
>>>> necessary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 00:07:13 2012
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:07:13 +0400
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?FW:_Hamadoun_Tour=E9_Op-Ed_in_Wired_+_?=
Message-ID: <00d501cdbd6e$ecf27fa0$c6d77ee0$@gmail.com>

Hamadoun Touré has an Op-Ed in Wired

http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/11/head-of-itu-un-should-internet-regulati
on-effort/

 

-----------------------

 

I'm unclear as to why Civil Society should be aligning itself with the
almost universal chorus of corporate and Developed Country national voices
condemning Toure/the ITU if, as he says, in his opening paragraph


 

With over 90 percent of the world’s people now within reach of mobile
phones, the challenge today is bringing internet access to the two-thirds of
the world’s population that is still offline. This challenge is compounded
by the need to ensure connectivity is affordable and safe for all.

 

and then 

 

The conference will chart a globally agreed-upon roadmap that offers future
connectivity to all, and ensures sufficient communications capacity to cope
with the exponential growth in voice, video, and data. The sole focus of the
event is making regulations valuable to all stakeholders, creating a robust
pillar to support future growth in global communications.

 

and 

 

The conference will address issues that relate to improving online access
and connectivity for everyone.

 

Surely these are appropriate goals for Civil Society as well and, rather
than joining the universal condemnation of the WCIT, CS should be looking
for ways of supporting the above goals while pursuing its own goals of
enhanced transparency and multi-stakeholder involvement in ITU processes; as
well, of course, aligning with potential allies in the corporate sector and
national governments in areas where there may be a clear consistency of
interests as in ensuring rights of privacy and free expression.

 

Mike 

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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Thu Nov  8 00:15:58 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:15:58 +0400
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <615d08d6b14952af7e63e663668814df.squirrel@www.itforchange.net>
References: <CCC0BE5D.20266%andrew@global-partners.co.uk> <615d08d6b14952af7e63e663668814df.squirrel@www.itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <1583809E-7B2B-446C-875D-66F1DB906C08@ciroap.org>

I will leave it to you to change it how you see fit, as there will not be time to do rounds of comments and changes.  I will print it at 12pm at whatever state it is in then.

On 08/11/2012, at 7:52 AM, parminder at itforchange.net wrote:

> 
> Andrew/ Jeremy/ All
> 
> I am all for a detailed press note, with real substantive stuff. Something
> which can also give prominence to the BestBits initiative. And i believe
> that it is possible to draft such a detailed press note relying on the
> final statement we agree on by anyone who sat and participated during the
> 2 day meeting, whereby the important concerns of different parties can be
> kept in mind.
> 
> i suggest we use a heading like 'Internet governance should promote not
> stifle Internet' or something like that
> 
> I am fine if we include the other, relatively unconnected initiative we
> took on the Internet rights and principles issue in the meeting, in the
> same press note.... but do it by making a reltively distinct seperation -
> starting the para, something like, ---- on another note, the group also
> .....
> 
> 
> thanks, parminder
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> I think Parminder's comments highlight the difficulties of producing a
>> detailed press release about an event where the common position was
>> crafted word by word over several hours.
>> 
>> I would support saying y something simple:
>> 
>> CS groups meeting before Baku called for:
>> 
>> Greater transparency in the WCIT negotiations
>> For proposed revisions to the ITRs to be judged by their impact on the
>> public interest and fundamental human rights
>> 
>> Then a quote from Jeremy  followed by details and contacts
>> 
>> I would always keep press releases short
>> 
>> Andrew Puddephatt, Director
>> Global Partners and Associates
>> Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
>> Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
>> Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
>> andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk
>> <http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 07/11/2012 20:05, "parminder at itforchange.net"
>> <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Jeremy
>>> 
>>> A few comments on the draft of the press release
>>> 
>>> 1. the heading - "NGOs: Internet governance will evolve, but not through
>>> ITU" mis represents what was agreed at the meeting. We did agree in the
>>> last sentence of our statement or an ITU role in net neutrality,
>>> universal
>>> service etc, vis a vis the Internet. At another place too we identify
>>> which layer of the Internet onwards (alone) no 'regulation' should take
>>> place.   In this light, I cant understand why a heading that calls for
>>> the
>>> ITU to take its hands off all parts and aspects of the Internet is being
>>> used.
>>> 
>>> 2. in a later part of the draft, the phrase 'Besides criticizing the ITR
>>> revision plans' suggests that we want no revision at all of the ITRs, As
>>> someone said at our meeting, even EU (if i remember right) also agrees
>>> that some revisions (in whichever directions)may indeed be needed. So,
>>> the
>>> use of this phrase is not appropriate.
>>> 
>>> 3. The part " calls upon the ITU to promote principles such as affordable
>>> access to the Internet and effective competition" seem to conspicuously
>>> miss .net neutrality'. Is there any specific reason for that.
>>> 
>>> 4. I have a problem with putting the headline as it is , and then saying
>>> 'Besides criticising the ITR revision plans, the same group of civil
>>> society organisations and experts also laid out a positive agenda for the
>>> Internet Governance Forum;. This seem to suggest that the kind of things
>>> we want to stop from happening at the ITU should rather happen at the
>>> IGF..... This is a wrong equation. ITU and IGF are entirely in different
>>> parts of a policy making ecology. One cant replace the other..... Any
>>> such
>>> indication should be clearly avoided.
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> parminder
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Here's a draft press release for tomorrow:
>>>> 
>>>> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry for the delay, which was because I lost Internet connectivity for
>>>> most of the day.
>>>> 
>>>> Feel free to jump in and improve it; I'll print it when I get back to
>>>> the
>>>> hotel tonight, or at the IGF tomorrow.  We have hit 30 signatories by
>>>> my
>>>> records (Pranesh, does your list accord with mine?), and we are now
>>>> also
>>>> accepting endorsements, which can be added directly on the website:
>>>> http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm
>>>> Senior Policy Officer
>>>> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
>>>> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
>>>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur,
>>>> Malaysia
>>>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
>>>> 
>>>> Your rights, our mission ­ download CI's Strategy 2015:
>>>> http://consint.info/RightsMission
>>>> 
>>>> @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org |
>>>> www.facebook.com/consumersinternational
>>>> 
>>>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless
>>>> necessary.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Dr Jeremy Malcolm
Senior Policy Officer
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 7726 1599

Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission

@Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational

Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary.


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From dbu at donnybu.com  Thu Nov  8 00:22:44 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:22:44 +0700
Subject: update --> Re: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
In-Reply-To: <20121107093250.GA22300@tarvainen.info>
References: <CAJOH5-xV6fncMVtLKZC_eimyDsZMW-FJ+-T_s+Rc06xidP7ppQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20121107093250.GA22300@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAJOH5-xzhxwR3HbWPCnSNGjk+PWD7WOrEBuQK8W4eqaRDvF_iw@mail.gmail.com>

hi, the postcards still available only at APC booth :)
please take it while it lasts...

-dbu-

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:

> On Nov 06 21:39, Donny B.U. (dbu at donnybu.com <javascript:;>) wrote:
>
> > chengethai masango from igf secretariat just met me, and he asked me
> > about the postcard incident. after I explained to him, he said that
> > what happened is misscommunication from their side. then he
> > apologized for the communication. he said that ict watch can
> > distribute those postcards again.
>
> I just dropped at the Indonesian booth and they indeed have
> the postcards, except the "government censorship protecting
> you from reality" one - have they ran out?
> (The person there didn't know anything, I complimented
> Indonesia for brilliant postcards...)
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
>

-- 
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 00:40:47 2012
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:40:47 +0400
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CCC0BE5D.20266%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>
References: <5ada688686d64d052c1d4bc42904a7c4.squirrel@www.itforchange.net> <CCC0BE5D.20266%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00e901cdbd73$9d58bea0$d80a3be0$@gmail.com>

I have some problems with the document as well... I'm not sure if this is
going to get through but anyway here is my suggested changes and comments
(attached...

M

-----Original Message-----
From: bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Puddephatt
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 5:54 AM
To: parminder at itforchange.net; Jeremy Malcolm
Cc: bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org Bits
Subject: Re: Draft press release for tomorrow

I think Parminder's comments highlight the difficulties of producing a
detailed press release about an event where the common position was crafted
word by word over several hours.

I would support saying y something simple:

CS groups meeting before Baku called for:

Greater transparency in the WCIT negotiations For proposed revisions to the
ITRs to be judged by their impact on the public interest and fundamental
human rights

Then a quote from Jeremy  followed by details and contacts

I would always keep press releases short

Andrew Puddephatt, Director
Global Partners and Associates
Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk
<http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>





On 07/11/2012 20:05, "parminder at itforchange.net"
<parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

>
>Hi Jeremy
>
>A few comments on the draft of the press release
>
>1. the heading - "NGOs: Internet governance will evolve, but not 
>through ITU" mis represents what was agreed at the meeting. We did 
>agree in the last sentence of our statement or an ITU role in net 
>neutrality, universal service etc, vis a vis the Internet. At another 
>place too we identify which layer of the Internet onwards (alone) no
'regulation' should take
>place.   In this light, I cant understand why a heading that calls for the
>ITU to take its hands off all parts and aspects of the Internet is 
>being used.
>
>2. in a later part of the draft, the phrase 'Besides criticizing the 
>ITR revision plans' suggests that we want no revision at all of the 
>ITRs, As someone said at our meeting, even EU (if i remember right) 
>also agrees that some revisions (in whichever directions)may indeed be 
>needed. So, the use of this phrase is not appropriate.
>
>3. The part " calls upon the ITU to promote principles such as 
>affordable access to the Internet and effective competition" seem to 
>conspicuously miss .net neutrality'. Is there any specific reason for that.
>
>4. I have a problem with putting the headline as it is , and then 
>saying 'Besides criticising the ITR revision plans, the same group of 
>civil society organisations and experts also laid out a positive agenda 
>for the Internet Governance Forum;. This seem to suggest that the kind 
>of things we want to stop from happening at the ITU should rather 
>happen at the IGF..... This is a wrong equation. ITU and IGF are 
>entirely in different parts of a policy making ecology. One cant 
>replace the other..... Any such indication should be clearly avoided.
>
>thanks
>
>parminder
>
>
>> Here's a draft press release for tomorrow:
>>
>> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr
>>
>> Sorry for the delay, which was because I lost Internet connectivity 
>> for most of the day.
>>
>> Feel free to jump in and improve it; I'll print it when I get back to 
>>the  hotel tonight, or at the IGF tomorrow.  We have hit 30 
>>signatories by my  records (Pranesh, does your list accord with 
>>mine?), and we are now also  accepting endorsements, which can be 
>>added directly on the website:
>> http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement/.
>>
>> --
>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm
>> Senior Policy Officer
>> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers 
>> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 
>> Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
>>
>> Your rights, our mission - download CI's Strategy 2015:
>> http://consint.info/RightsMission
>>
>> @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | 
>> www.facebook.com/consumersinternational
>>
>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless 
>> necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Thu Nov  8 00:42:58 2012
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:42:58 +0400
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_FW=3A_Hamadoun_Tour=C3=A9_Op-Ed_in_Wired_+_?=
In-Reply-To: <00d501cdbd6e$ecf27fa0$c6d77ee0$@gmail.com>
References: <00d501cdbd6e$ecf27fa0$c6d77ee0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0db3f4c-18f4-4f82-8723-1715266d0bcd@email.android.com>

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Michael, I think the real question there is: what can the ITRs do to aid affordable access to the underprivileged. That has not been answered.

michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

>Hamadoun Touré has an Op-Ed in Wired
>
>http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/11/head-of-itu-un-should-internet-regulati
>on-effort/
>
>
>
>-----------------------
>
>
>
>I'm unclear as to why Civil Society should be aligning itself with the
>almost universal chorus of corporate and Developed Country national
>voices
>condemning Toure/the ITU if, as he says, in his opening paragraph…>
>
>
>
>With over 90 percent of the world’s people now within reach of mobile
>phones, the challenge today is bringing internet access to the
>two-thirds of
>the world’s population that is still offline. This challenge is
>compounded
>by the need to ensure connectivity is affordable and safe for all.
>
>
>
>and then
>
>
>
>The conference will chart a globally agreed-upon roadmap that offers
>future
>connectivity to all, and ensures sufficient communications capacity to
>cope
>with the exponential growth in voice, video, and data. The sole focus
>of the
>event is making regulations valuable to all stakeholders, creating a
>robust
>pillar to support future growth in global communications.
>
>
>
>and
>
>
>
>The conference will address issues that relate to improving online
>access
>and connectivity for everyone.
>
>
>
>Surely these are appropriate goals for Civil Society as well and,
>rather
>than joining the universal condemnation of the WCIT, CS should be
>looking
>for ways of supporting the above goals while pursuing its own goals of
>enhanced transparency and multi-stakeholder involvement in ITU
>processes; as
>well, of course, aligning with potential allies in the corporate sector
>and
>national governments in areas where there may be a clear consistency of
>interests as in ensuring rights of privacy and free expression.
>
>
>
>Mike

- --
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash

Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Thu Nov  8 00:42:33 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:42:33 +0400
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <8E13F649-6276-4DE6-BD6A-2559AEDE6C51@cdt.org>
References: <CCC0BE5D.20266%andrew@global-partners.co.uk> <615d08d6b14952af7e63e663668814df.squirrel@www.itforchange.net> <1583809E-7B2B-446C-875D-66F1DB906C08@ciroap.org> <8E13F649-6276-4DE6-BD6A-2559AEDE6C51@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <CC64E81E-FB2E-484B-BF57-5EB47659B6AF@ciroap.org>

On 08/11/2012, at 9:37 AM, Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:

> Thanks--please also send around the final version (and/or a link to it) when you have a chance. Thanks again!

It is still on the pad http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr but I haven't had the opportunity to make any of the changes that Andrew or Parminder wanted as I am on a panel right now... I'm leaving it to others to finalise directly on the pad, hope that's OK.

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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Thu Nov  8 00:43:39 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:43:39 +0400
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
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On 08/11/2012, at 9:40 AM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have some problems with the document as well... I'm not sure if this is
> going to get through but anyway here is my suggested changes and comments
> (attached...


Please make them directly on the pad at http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr - you can also chat there with others if there may be conflicting changes.  We'll see how well this works.  If we can't get agreement, we'll just do without a press release.

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From gpaque at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 07:57:54 2012
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 06:57:54 -0500
Subject: Best wishes for Best Bits without me
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Remote Participation
Streaming: http://bestbits.igf-online.net/streaming/
Streaming has not worked for me, so I went back to bed.

Is anyone following?
Thank, Ginger

Ginger (Virginia) Paque

VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
www.diplomacy.edu/ig
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On 3 November 2012 00:46, Narine Khachatryan <
ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Is there instructions how to connect remotely to Best Bits meeting?
> Thank you,
>
> Narine
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Brett Solomon <brett at accessnow.org> wrote:
>
>>  I just got here (18 hours late) - the visa situation was interesting,
>> but got through unscathed. Now to brave the taxis at 2am :) Brett
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Claudio Ruiz <
>> claudio at derechosdigitales.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the same situation. I'm in London because of my Baku flight was
>>> cancelled. I'm arriving tomorrow night.
>>>
>>> -c
>>>
>>> El viernes, 2 de noviembre de 2012 a las 12:58, Ginger Paque escribió:
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear this, Jeremy! However, I do think you have organized so
>>> well that, indeed, the meeting will be a great success and a solid,
>>> productive start to the IGF. See you online in remote participation!
>>>
>>> Best wishes and safe travels to all.
>>> Ginger
>>>
>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>>
>>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>>> Diplo Foundation
>>> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
>>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
>>> **
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 November 2012 06:23, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be staying until
>>> tomorrow having missed my connecting flight due to a flight delay.
>>> Therefore, I don't expect to be at Best Bits tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally, but since my
>>> involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind the scenes, I don't expect
>>> that it need have any effect on the success of your discussions and
>>> deliberations tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Andrew has the details of how to establish the web conference - though
>>> he may ask one of you to lend him your webcam-enabled computer to use for
>>> this - and so I may even be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I
>>> arrive in person.
>>>
>>> All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing how you made
>>> this a great meeting in my absence.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
>>> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 01:12:45 2012
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:12:45 +0400
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
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Done!

 

M

 

From: Jeremy Malcolm [mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org] 
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:44 AM
To: michael gurstein
Cc: bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org Bits
Subject: Re: Draft press release for tomorrow

 

On 08/11/2012, at 9:40 AM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:





I have some problems with the document as well... I'm not sure if this is
going to get through but anyway here is my suggested changes and comments
(attached...

 

Please make them directly on the pad at
http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr - you can also chat there with others
if there may be conflicting changes.  We'll see how well this works.  If we
can't get agreement, we'll just do without a press release.

 

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 01:35:55 2012
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:35:55 +0400
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?RE:_FW:_Hamadoun_Tour=C3=A9_Op-Ed_in_?=
	=?UTF-8?Q?Wired_+_?=
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Hi Pranesh,

I agree and it would be good if that were spelled out, but even if it is only at the level of theory it is something that CS should be supporting (or at least not criticizing/rejecting... 

I can see (although not agree with) why some might be so concerned by a "UN (ITU) 'takeover' of the Internet" that they would take completely rejectionist stance towards the ITU, but I see no reason why CS should take such a position. 

I think that our position as an international and internationally representative group should be rather more nuanced and particularly around issues of extension of access to those currently without such access which has to be one if not the most central of our concerns.

M


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From: bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Pranesh Prakash
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:43 AM
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Michael, I think the real question there is: what can the ITRs do to aid affordable access to the underprivileged. That has not been answered.

michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

>Hamadoun Touré has an Op-Ed in Wired
>
>http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/11/head-of-itu-un-should-internet-reg
>ulati
>on-effort/
>
>
>
>-----------------------
>
>
>
>I'm unclear as to why Civil Society should be aligning itself with the 
>almost universal chorus of corporate and Developed Country national 
>voices condemning Toure/the ITU if, as he says, in his opening 
>paragraph…>
>
>
>
>With over 90 percent of the world’s people now within reach of mobile 
>phones, the challenge today is bringing internet access to the 
>two-thirds of the world’s population that is still offline. This 
>challenge is compounded by the need to ensure connectivity is 
>affordable and safe for all.
>
>
>
>and then
>
>
>
>The conference will chart a globally agreed-upon roadmap that offers 
>future connectivity to all, and ensures sufficient communications 
>capacity to cope with the exponential growth in voice, video, and data. 
>The sole focus of the event is making regulations valuable to all 
>stakeholders, creating a robust pillar to support future growth in 
>global communications.
>
>
>
>and
>
>
>
>The conference will address issues that relate to improving online 
>access and connectivity for everyone.
>
>
>
>Surely these are appropriate goals for Civil Society as well and, 
>rather than joining the universal condemnation of the WCIT, CS should 
>be looking for ways of supporting the above goals while pursuing its 
>own goals of enhanced transparency and multi-stakeholder involvement in 
>ITU processes; as well, of course, aligning with potential allies in 
>the corporate sector and national governments in areas where there may 
>be a clear consistency of interests as in ensuring rights of privacy 
>and free expression.
>
>
>
>Mike

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 02:51:54 2012
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:51:54 +0400
Subject: AT&T to expand service, but wants FCC regulation dropped 
Message-ID: <016701cdbd85$edeaf1f0$c9c0d5d0$@gmail.com>

Hmmmm... but is it the case that what's good for AT&T is good for the rest
of the (WCIT) world and if so where is the global equivalent of the AT&T's
$14 billion going to come from?

M


http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/11/att-is-glad-to-expand-service-but-wa
nts-pesky-fcc-regulations-dropped/

AT&T is glad to expand service, but wants pesky FCC regulations dropped Firm
devotes $14B to wireless and U-Verse, while pushing deregulation with FCC.

by Cyrus Farivar - Nov 7 2012, 6:00pm EST

On Wednesday, AT&T announced a plan to invest $14 billion in expanding its
wireless and U-Verse service around the country. At the same time, the
company submitted a petition to the Federal Communications Commission asking
for an end to the "conventional public-utility-style regulation."

AT&T said it would expand its fiber-to-the-node (FTTN) product to 22 states,
which would include 75 percent of "customer locations." The rest of the
country would be served by the expansion of its 4G LTE network, which AT&T
says would reach 300 million Americans (nearly the whole country) by the end
of 2014.

With the company's announcement, it also filed a request for regulations
restricting AT&T's business to be dropped. The document calls AT&T's new
investments a step towards the National Broadband Plan.

"AT&T believes that this regulatory experiment will show that conventional
public-utility-style regulation is no longer necessary or appropriate in the
emerging all-IP ecosystem," the company wrote in its FCC filing on
Wednesday.

"Customers are abandoning obsolescent [time-division multiplexing] services,
but AT&T and other incumbent carriers still must be prepared to serve every
household in their service territories on demand. Thus, the costs of
maintaining those networks remain in place, and every loss of another
customer increases the average cost per line of serving the customers that
remain."

Industry watchers have pointed out AT&T now seems less than genuine with
regulators. The company claimed that without being able to acquire T-Mobile
it would not be able to expand its LTE offerings.
According to the AT&T's most recent financial data (PDF), the company
receives about three times as much quarterly revenue from wireless
($15 billion) as it does from traditional wireline voice service ($5.5
billion).

"They painted the stakes as dire as possible when they were trying to buy
T-Mobile, but the fact is AT&T had to match its competitors in 4G market
roll-outs," said Ken Rehben, an analyst at Yankee Group, told CNNMoney.
Deregulation incentive

Some industry watchers are worried such a move would make an end-run around
existing regulations that require a baseline level of phone service under
federal law. If the FCC heeds AT&T's advice, some fear there will be even
further entrenchment of the dominant wired carriers, like AT&T and Verizon,
who are pushing more profitable wireless services.

"For 100 years we've had the idea that everyone has a phone line,"
said Susan Crawford, a visiting professor at the Harvard Kennedy School and
a telecom law expert. It's the principle known as "common carriage," she
told Ars.

"Today the general purpose network is a fiber-to-the-home (FTTH).
That's what's going on in Europe and Asia, but we seem to be abandoning that
concept. Instead, we're allowing private carriers to choose who has to rely
on wireless and who gets a wire and who gets what type of wire. The whole
system has been turned upside down."

Still, both the FCC and telecom watchdog group Public Knowledge praised
AT&T's announcement.

"AT&T's announcement of billions of dollars in new investment in wired and
wireless broadband networks is proof positive that the climate for
investment and innovation in the US communications sector is healthy,"
said Julius Genachowski, the FCC chairman, in a statement. "Today's
announcement adds to nearly $200 billion of investment in wireless and
wireline broadband networks since 2009, and powerful growth in the Internet
economy."

Bruce Kushnick, a telecom analyst at NewNetworks, likened AT&T's move to
"extortion." He argued the $14 billion investment was a quid pro quo to
sweeten the move to further deregulation-and he anticipates further lobbying
from AT&T to Congress in 2013.

"The letter that they filed says they want to get rid of regulation, and
there will be an attack by AT&T and Verizon to get rid of all regulation in
Congress probably at the beginning of next year," he told Ars. "Their goal
is to take the letter and to extend it through Congress. What we need is a
wireless and wireline to have an open utility, and let customers choose
whatever provider and whatever services they want. If we don't do that, we
will fall behind."



From joonas.makinen at effi.org  Thu Nov  8 03:37:22 2012
From: joonas.makinen at effi.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Joonas_M=C3=A4kinen?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:37:22 +0200
Subject: two requests
In-Reply-To: <CCC0C256.20284%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>
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Late? There were some other people there.

2012/11/8 Andrew Puddephatt <Andrew at global-partners.co.uk>:
> To remind those who are interested
>
> A meeting with the US delegation today, Thursday 12;30 meeting: Room E.
>
> And does anyone know of any solid research on the link between an open
> multi-stakeholder internet and economic activity – or even the internet and
> its impact ion economic development.  I thought the McKinsey report was poor
>
>
>
> Andrew Puddephatt, Director          Global Partners and Associates
>
> Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
>
> Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
>
> Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
>
> andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk
>
>
> From: Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org>
> Date: Tuesday, 6 November 2012 13:08
> To: "<bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org> Bits" <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Subject: Best Bits press conference, Thursday at 2pm
>
> The Best Bits press conference will be held at 2pm on Thursday 8 November in
> the press room.  All of you are welcome to attend.  If you would like to be
> available for Q&A, please reply to the group so that we can sort that out
> ahead of time.
>
> The conference will be short (we will try to keep to 10 minutes).  I suggest
> the following agenda:
>
> 1. Explain in 30 seconds our motivation for coming together at Best Bits.
> 2. Present our WCIT statement (Andrew, would it be possible for you to print
> a few copies?).
> 3. Present our single sentence about the IGF-level statement on Internet
> governance.
> 4. Possibly - mention our objection to the handling of the ICT Watch
> censorship postcards.
>
> Item 4 above is up for discussion - do we, as a group, feel that censorship
> at the IGF is important enough to raise with the press?
>
> There are no official daily press conferences planned, therefore we will
> have to do our own work to attract journalists to attend.  I am in touch
> with the European Union's press officer about this, but I could use some
> more help please.  If any of you have press contacts, please inform them of
> our plans.
>
> We will also need a press release at the event, that any journos who attend
> can use as boilerplate for their report - does someone want to work on this?
> If not I will do so.  We will have to choose one of the above items to focus
> on in the press release, as journalists won't report on more than one thing
> per press conference.
>
> If you plan to be there, whether or not you will be on the panel, please
> reply to me off list.  Thanks!
>
> --
>
> Dr Jeremy Malcolm
> Senior Policy Officer
> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
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> Malaysia
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From steve at openmedia.ca  Thu Nov  8 04:51:04 2012
From: steve at openmedia.ca (Steve Anderson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 01:51:04 -0800
Subject: Draft press release for tomorrow
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The release looks good to me - let me know if we can be of assistance over
here in Canada.
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On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:12 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>wrote:

> Done!****
>
> ** **
>
> M****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jeremy Malcolm [mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:44 AM
> *To:* michael gurstein
>
> *Cc:* bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org Bits
> *Subject:* Re: Draft press release for tomorrow****
>
> ** **
>
> On 08/11/2012, at 9:40 AM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:*
> ***
>
>
>
> ****
>
> I have some problems with the document as well... I'm not sure if this is
> going to get through but anyway here is my suggested changes and comments
> (attached...****
>
> ** **
>
> Please make them directly on the pad at
> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/bestbits_pr - you can also chat there with
> others if there may be conflicting changes.  We'll see how well this works.
>  If we can't get agreement, we'll just do without a press release.****
>
> ** **
>
> -- ****
>
> *Dr Jeremy Malcolm
> Senior Policy Officer
> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers*
> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur,
> Malaysia
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>
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From valeriab at apc.org  Thu Nov  8 04:57:49 2012
From: valeriab at apc.org (Valeria Betancourt)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 04:57:49 -0500
Subject: Invitation to Human Rights Roundtable Tomorrow, November 9th, 9-10:30
Message-ID: <F6CC21FE-A207-40C9-A9AB-BD47A5F3D64E@apc.org>

Dear all,

We would like to invite you to participate in a human rights  
roundtable, happening tomorrow, Friday November 9th, from 9 to 10.30  
in room 6. The input from the round table will be brought to the  
taking stock and the way forward main session.

The objective of the HR roundtable is to gather comprehensive feedback  
from the various main sessions and workshops in relation to which  
human rights issues were addressed by the various stakeholders and to  
use those inputs to feed the Taking Stock and the Way Forward  
session.  It will help us to increase knowledge and understanding of  
the human rights and the internet specific concerns and challenges the  
various stakeholders have as well as their proposals to address them
in the framework of the internet governance debate.  It will also help  
to increase understanding of the linkages between the HR issues  
addressed in the various main sessions and the main IGF theme.

Valeria

-------------
Valeria Betancourt
Directora / Manager
Programa de Políticas de Information y Comunicación / Communication  
and Information Policy Programme
Asociación para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones / Association for
Progressive Communications, APC
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From valeriab at apc.org  Thu Nov  8 08:33:16 2012
From: valeriab at apc.org (Valeria Betancourt)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:33:16 -0500
Subject: Invitation to Human Rights Roundtable Tomorrow, November 9th, 9-10:30
In-Reply-To: <F6CC21FE-A207-40C9-A9AB-BD47A5F3D64E@apc.org>
References: <F6CC21FE-A207-40C9-A9AB-BD47A5F3D64E@apc.org>
Message-ID: <2B814CD1-C100-4319-9B64-8E8C51F539D3@apc.org>

Hi again,

Anriette and Joy will be in the round table on behalf of the APC. As  
the IRP meeting clashes with the round table, I will attend the IRP  
meeting and I am happy to bring the perspectives of the IRP into Best  
Bits afterwards.

Valeria

On 08/11/2012, at 4:57, Valeria Betancourt wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> We would like to invite you to participate in a human rights  
> roundtable, happening tomorrow, Friday November 9th, from 9 to 10.30  
> in room 6. The input from the round table will be brought to the  
> taking stock and the way forward main session.
>
> The objective of the HR roundtable is to gather comprehensive  
> feedback from the various main sessions and workshops in relation to  
> which human rights issues were addressed by the various stakeholders  
> and to use those inputs to feed the Taking Stock and the Way Forward  
> session.  It will help us to increase knowledge and understanding of  
> the human rights and the internet specific concerns and challenges  
> the various stakeholders have as well as their proposals to address  
> them
> in the framework of the internet governance debate.  It will also  
> help to increase understanding of the linkages between the HR issues  
> addressed in the various main sessions and the main IGF theme.
>
> Valeria
>
> -------------
> Valeria Betancourt
> Directora / Manager
> Programa de Políticas de Information y Comunicación / Communication  
> and Information Policy Programme
> Asociación para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones / Association for
> Progressive Communications, APC
> http://www.apc.org
>
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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Thu Nov  8 10:08:38 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:08:38 +0400
Subject: Steno Notebook
Message-ID: <A6906012-8EAF-409F-86C7-E4A6169195FA@ciroap.org>

Someone left behind a blue and white "Steno Notebook" at Best BIts.  Since it still has notes in, please let me know if it is yours and you need it back.

-- 
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From ellery at cdt.org  Thu Nov  8 14:59:57 2012
From: ellery at cdt.org (Ellery Biddle)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:59:57 +0000
Subject: help in responding to ITU blog post comment?
Message-ID: <C0BFF1E1-F3D1-4FE4-A217-D6B72D59280F@cdt.org>

Hi all,

It has been great to see all of the activity out of the BB mtg! Very sorry I couldn't be there. 

I wrote a short post for Global Voices Advocacy this week about the WCIT and got a response comment from Sarah Parkes, who evidently works in the SG office. Would someone from this group like to take a crack at responding, via comment on the GV site? I will respond too, but thought it would be good to have another voice in the mix, perhaps someone with a bit more experience than I have. 

Post is here: 
http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2012/11/07/protecting-the-open-web-net-activists-unite/

Parkes refuted points about the lack of openness and transparency in the WCIT process and was quick to note that naming/numbering would not be on the table at WCIT, even though I never said that it would be. Seemed like standard ITU doublespeak. 

thanks all,

e

Ellery Roberts Biddle
Center for Democracy and Technology
(415) 814-1711



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From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org  Fri Nov  9 02:59:40 2012
From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:59:40 +0400
Subject: Jeremy
Message-ID: <20121109075939.GA27038@tarvainen.info>

Jeremy looks pretty convincing here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=478919052130989&set=a.470006606355567.102581.100000386941622&type=1

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From dbu at donnybu.com  Sat Nov  3 11:07:39 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:07:39 +0700
Subject: Best wishes for Best Bits without me
In-Reply-To: <CALCecM8uuLof6gGHPv_d2c_Vv8pcgKoiZWRK=-=eAFtWEU_9zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9F46F06E-8BA5-471D-9167-1A72035F4D38@ciroap.org>
	<CALCecM8qVvFfKvHCYMDGqju4P4_tcM6-wf5dmzaY3NRUJhvBmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7A689315A84A41549510333E72C1958D@derechosdigitales.org>
	<CAA5eo1+Bikiq9SwRHifsDBs0w10OJEZHh3G0fLKENh7Hxr2UEQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPVtaunnQKaV_iH8wfAa1FCAMD+FcO+yX8zWaj0AywKODB8XHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALCecM8uuLof6gGHPv_d2c_Vv8pcgKoiZWRK=-=eAFtWEU_9zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJOH5-xOJJHco0=yyJCjfHcLkALYt4cEjy=VVrg=e-A8+Sus0g@mail.gmail.com>

hard to be connected to the internet at the meeting room :(
that's why streaming didn't work...

-dbu-

On Saturday, November 3, 2012, Ginger Paque wrote:

> Remote Participation
> Streaming: http://bestbits.igf-online.net/streaming/
> Streaming has not worked for me, so I went back to bed.
>
> Is anyone following?
> Thank, Ginger
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu');>
> Diplo Foundation
> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
> **
> **
>
>
>
> On 3 November 2012 00:46, Narine Khachatryan <
> ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Is there instructions how to connect remotely to Best Bits meeting?
> Thank you,
>
> Narine
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Brett Solomon <brett at accessnow.org> wrote:
>
>  I just got here (18 hours late) - the visa situation was interesting, but
> got through unscathed. Now to brave the taxis at 2am :) Brett
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Claudio Ruiz <
> claudio at derechosdigitales.org> wrote:
>
> I'm in the same situation. I'm in London because of my Baku flight was
> cancelled. I'm arriving tomorrow night.
>
> -c
>
> El viernes, 2 de noviembre de 2012 a las 12:58, Ginger Paque escribió:
>
> Sorry to hear this, Jeremy! However, I do think you have organized so well
> that, indeed, the meeting will be a great success and a solid, productive
> start to the IGF. See you online in remote participation!
>
> Best wishes and safe travels to all.
> Ginger
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
> Diplo Foundation
> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
> **
> **
>
>
>
> On 2 November 2012 06:23, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>
> I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be staying until
> tomorrow having missed my connecting flight due to a flight delay.
> Therefore, I don't expect to be at Best Bits tomorrow.
>
> Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally, but since my
> involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind the scenes, I don't expect
> that it need have any effect on the success of your discussions and
> deliberations tomorrow.
>
> Andrew has the details of how to establish the web conference - though he
> may ask one of you to lend him your webcam-enabled computer to use for this
> - and so I may even be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I
> arrive in person.
>
> All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing how you made
> this a great meeting in my absence.
>
> --
> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>

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From ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 04:51:19 2012
From: ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com (Narine Khachatryan)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:51:19 +0400
Subject: Refugee Issue
Message-ID: <CAPVtau=wsLHiwkT7Ogqbm1Bd+430rf83ukN1A6QEM_phv=i3DQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Nobert,


Thank you very much for your interest. The problems of ethnic Armenian
refugees and ethnic Azeri refugees are very sensitive: numbers, sources,
context, etc.


Before discussing this issue, I would kindly ask you to familiarize
yourself with the trustworthy UN information, which I think is universally
considered to be more accurate and unbiased:

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/page?page=49e48d1e6&submit=GO

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/page?page=49e48d126&submit=GO



I had never doubt that the refugee issue is under close attention of very
skillful experts with international background. Refugee issue is one of the
central issues UN is very profoundly engaged in.


You say that “the conflict probably needs a long-term externally mediated
peace-building effort”. However, what exactly do you mean: the return of
Armenian refugees to Shahumian, Dashkesan, Khanlar, Ganja, Khazakh and
Nakhichevan?


Or, maybe, the establishment of a security zone along the frontage of the
Kura River, so that the 150.000 citizens of Nagorno Karabakh could continue
to build its democratic state in a more secure environment?


Instead of organizing such flashy events as Eurovision (cost $500 million,
see link (1) below) or pursuing caviar diplomacy (see link (2) below),
Azerbaijan’s government could finally pay some attention to the refugee
issue.


Interestingly, you bring an example of a refugee living in Sumgait. Concerning
Sumgait, or its neighboring Baku, only the living areas of more than
250 000 Armenian civilians exiled with massive pogroms and massacres from
Baku and Sumgait plus money (such as wasted on Eurovision) are more than
enough for the problem of refugees had been solved long ago. Not to speak
about living areas left by Armenians in Shahumian, Dashkesan, Khanlar,
Ganja, Khazakh, etc.


If I were in Baku within the last four days and was so much concerned with
refugee issue, I would, instead of enjoying lavish gala dinners, stay on
starvation and ask the organizers to send the food to Azeri refugees.


Armenia managed to solve the issue of its refugees being under miserable
economic conditions and destructed by the disastrous earthquake of 1988. And,
mark, without the help of oil dollars. It’s just the value system has been
different in Armenia.


Taking this opportunity, I herewith attach a brief background paper on the
Refugee Issue (attached), which, I hope, will give you a full and unbiased
picture on the subject.


Truly,

Narine


(1)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/azerbaijan/9658427/Why-is-a-crucial-conference-on-internet-freedom-taking-place-in-a-dictatorship.html


(2)
http://williamleeadams.com/2012/05/04/selling-azerbaijan-at-eurovision-2012/
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From farooq at ciroap.org  Fri Nov  9 05:23:01 2012
From: farooq at ciroap.org (Farooq Ahmed Jam)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:23:01 +0500
Subject: Jeremy
In-Reply-To: <20121109075939.GA27038@tarvainen.info>
References: <20121109075939.GA27038@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <509CD985.40007@ciroap.org>

On 11/9/2012 12:59 PM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
> Jeremy looks pretty convincing here:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=478919052130989&set=a.470006606355567.102581.100000386941622&type=1
>
Ya that looks so great and determined. Very nice

-- 

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Intern
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers*
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
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From nb at bollow.ch  Fri Nov  9 05:26:55 2012
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:26:55 +0400
Subject: Refugee Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAPVtau=wsLHiwkT7Ogqbm1Bd+430rf83ukN1A6QEM_phv=i3DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPVtau=wsLHiwkT7Ogqbm1Bd+430rf83ukN1A6QEM_phv=i3DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALrvCLDQg=V5M4GkW3NaZAcS-xzoDkHZDB+czT7x6B1Ks3YU2A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Narine Khachatryan
<ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> wrote:
>You say that “the conflict probably needs a long-term externally mediated peace-building effort”.
> However, what exactly do you mean: the return of Armenian refugees to Shahumian, Dashkesan,
> Khanlar, Ganja, Khazakh and Nakhichevan?

With the words "peace-building effort" I was not thinking immediately
of any ideas on how the conflict might be resolved (which due to lack
of familiarity with the region I don't really have) but I was thinking
of efforts aiming at helping people on both sides of the conflict get
to the point of being able to communicate with each other (by which I
mean not only talking but also listening and understanding the other
side's viewpoint).

Greetings,
Norbert


From ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 06:37:33 2012
From: ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com (Narine Khachatryan)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:37:33 +0400
Subject: Refugee Issue
In-Reply-To: <CALrvCLDQg=V5M4GkW3NaZAcS-xzoDkHZDB+czT7x6B1Ks3YU2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPVtau=wsLHiwkT7Ogqbm1Bd+430rf83ukN1A6QEM_phv=i3DQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALrvCLDQg=V5M4GkW3NaZAcS-xzoDkHZDB+czT7x6B1Ks3YU2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPVtaunVZ2uYTmiaDb4N6BeU26xj9DmwtN3sMkVz_oGKXN4XQg@mail.gmail.com>

Nobert,



Thank you very much for your quick response.



Of course, this is a very delicate subject, and without being familiar with
it, it very risky to make assumptions in already very tense atmosphere.
Verified links and trustworthy information are of utter importance in this
situation.



Undoubtedly, all efforts should be directed to establishing a constructive
dialog, which should not be dependent on the price of oil, but guided by
universal human values. The IGF is particularly aimed to promote these
universal human values.


Our common wish at this moment is the fulfillment of the goals of the 7th
IGF and its successful completion.



Truly,

Narine
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From deborah at accessnow.org  Fri Nov  9 12:58:31 2012
From: deborah at accessnow.org (Deborah Brown)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:58:31 -0500
Subject: ITU Action Steps (Tactical)
In-Reply-To: <CAA5eo1KQy_jkGuRcMw70k-sg0CY-aNf0RNiqO2Wfh72bOphTEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA5eo1KQy_jkGuRcMw70k-sg0CY-aNf0RNiqO2Wfh72bOphTEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALU7RQYXqpvn6NgMqa0ZgoWa1ijwEwLrL+KCgjRns3sZ_We_fw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone, It seems like this readout from our tactical breakout session
at Best Bits might be helpful to others working in this space. Does anyone
object to sharing the readout with others as appropriate in discussions on
advocacy around WCIT?
Deborah

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Brett Solomon <brett at accessnow.org> wrote:

> *TACTICAL BREAKOUT Session*
>
> Best Bits Civil Society meeting in Baku (November 3-4)
> ****
>
> * *
> Below you will find the key strategic and tactical initiatives that were
> discussed at the breakout session. The document is separated into three
> sections: between now and WCIT; during WCIT; and post WCIT. This is not a
> consensus document, rather a collation of ideas /strategies that were
> proposed by individuals at the session. All are invited to be involved in
> any of the actions below
>
> *1. Between now and WCIT*
>
>
> *a. Issue: Lack of civil society membership on delegations*
> It’s important for civil society to be present at WCIT even if we can’t be
> on the floor, to craft statements, convene breakfast meetings, suggest
> draft language, be a resource to government reps and keep them in line
> *Actions:*
>
>    - Identify countries that are amenable to civil society membership
>    - Find funding for civil society delegates to attend WCIT (we know
>    that Global Partners, Internews, and Mozilla all have funding for this)
>    - Prepare briefing materials for delegates to help them identify
>    key/likely issues and potential approaches to draft language/responses
>    - Consider attending as unaffiliated civil society if we can’t get on
>    a delegation (it is useful to have a critical mass of unaffiliated civil
>    society in Dubai)
>
> *Who has civil society on their delegation (that we know about)?:* UK,
> Sweden, US, Germany, Bangladesh, Canada, Australia
> *Who could be open to having civil society participation on their
> delegation:* Argentina, Uruguay, Kenya, Colombia, Brazil, Finland,
> Norway, Netherlands, India, South Africa, Ghana, Nigeria, New Zealand,
> Senegal
>
>
> *b. Issue: Influencing national positions prior to WCIT*
> National positions are not yet set - there is still opportunity to
> influence how countries will vote.
> *Actions*:
>
>    - Continue to request opportunities to participate in national
>    consultations
>    - Place opinion pieces in national publications to influence/represent
>    public opinion
>    - Use FFTF/Access video to spread awareness and create noise. It will
>    be found at http://www.whatistheitu.org/
>    - Push govts on open up to civil society and press
>
> *
> *
>
> *c. Issue: Using the IGF to influence the 90 governments in attendance**
> **Actions:*
>
>    - All civil society at IGF should be using the opportunity to push
>    member states present to keep IG out of the ITRs
>    - Ask questions at every panels, approach informally etc, hand over
>    materials, this will also help to ensure that this gets mentioned in the
>    IGF outcome doc
>
> * *
>
> *2. During WCIT*
>
> **
>
> *a. Issue: Coordination among civil society during WCIT*
> Create a community of empowered civil society advocates at WCIT; and
> coordinate with non-affiliated CS; note that those on delegations are
> limited in their capacity to act and this will need to be respected
> *Actions:*
>
>    - Create a Skype group or some other means for delegates to chat
>    informally to check in on policy developments with folks back home and
>    coordinate amongst civil society in Dubai
>    - Develop ideal treaty language been drafted basically on what we want
>    to see included / not included
>    - Ensure that civil society that are there all know each other in
>    advance and can coordinate
>    - Reach out to technical community who will be in the room and
>    coordinate during the WCIT (eg ISOC, LACNIC, APNIC,)
>    - Coordinate among civ soc that are affiliated with delegates and
>    those that are unaffiliated
>    - Identify potential unaffiliated delegates (whose participation will
>    be voted on on Day 1). It is worthwhile for independent civil society to go
>    even if they can’t get on a del - this role is needed. Potential
>    unaffiliated delegates:
>
>       US/UK - Matthew Shears (confirmed?)
>
> Africa - Mawaki Chango?; Jimson Olufuye?
>
> Asia-Pacific - Pranesh
>
> Latin America/ Caribbean – Brazil? (Marilia Maciel)
>
> Russia/RCC
>
> Europe
>
> Arab States
>
>
> *b. Issue: Reporting to outside world what is going on in the WCIT**
> *Create communications mechanisms to ensure that those outside of the
> WCIT are kept in touch and able to mobilize.
> Actions:
>
>  ·       Encourage member states to vote to open sessions to the public
> and to live stream on UN WebTV.
>
> ·       Create a media kit and collate the media contacts prior to the
> event. Identify foreign correspondents in the UAE or going to Dubai for
> WCIT and target them by writing to major outlets ahead of time.
>
> ·       Post a daily blog post/WCIT Watch reporting on the biggest
> issues/worst proposals/biggest challenges for civil society of the day
> (given the limitations on speaking to the press that people on delegations
> will face, this is a very important role for unaffiliated civil society
> will play)
>
> ·       Unaffiliated civil society may want to consider getting press
> accreditation (this was a useful tactic at WSIS and among other things
> allowed for greater access to some documents)
>
> ·       Release a civil society statement on closing of event, to help
> shape the media narrative (the lasting story will be determined within a
> few hours of the last plenary adopting the final acts)
>
>
>
> *c. Issue: Devil is in the detail*
>
> The language agreed upon will be changed during WCIT and we may need to
> have some creative actions
>
> ·       Should we consider a CS walkout if needed – OR even better a
> walk-in?
>
> ·       Find a cartoonist or infographic artist who can produce visuals
> for each day
>
> ·       WCIT Watch daily briefing should be printed out and put in WCIT
> café and given to press
>
> ·       Livetweeting and #hashtag
>
> ·       Mobilize the internet to create actions including a internet
> blackout style digital action
>
>
>
> Having a group of dedicated civil society actors in other time zones (who
> will ostensibly be more awake) to help review late night text changes.
>
>
>
> Based on reports at the African IGF, it sounds like there will be regional
> bloc negotiations on proposed revisions to the ITRs, and it’s possible that
> unaffiliated civil society members may be allowed into these meetings.
> Should find out which regional blocs would be amenable to this.
>
>
>
> *3. Post WCIT *
>
> **
>
> a. *Issue: WCIT is not the end of the line*
>
> WCIT is one step on the pathway; and we need to be prepared for the next
> steps including WTPF, WTSA, ITU plenipot, WSIS +10, etc.*
>
> ***
>
> ·       Messaging: We will also be at all those other meetings, so don't
> think you can kick the can down the road. Warn governments we are watching
> them.
>
> ·       We must educate civil society about post-WCIT challenges and
> position ourselves best in relation in these negotiations in the future and
> not prejudice ourselves in other contexts
>
> o   WTPF: There have been reports that the topic of the WTPF will be
> internet governance. While WTPF does not result in a treaty, but
> contributes to norm building, but it is unclear how receptive SG is to
> comment from non-Sector Members
>
> o   WSIS +10 evaluation in UNESCO (Feb) and ITU (2014).
>
> ·       Renewal of mandate of IGF is in 2015 will be a pure decision by
> UNGA – this is a big concern
>
> ·       Get free ITU membership AFTER WCIT (ahead of WTPF) – all groups
> should consider this
>
> ·       Need to clearly develop a position on - If not ITU, then who? A
> literature review of current perspectives on a positive reform agenda would
> be useful.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brett Solomon
> Executive Director | Access
> accessnow.org | rightscon.org
> +1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
> Key ID: 0x312B641A
> <http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?language=en&id=42>
>



-- 
Deborah Brown
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From brett at accessnow.org  Sat Nov 10 08:28:22 2012
From: brett at accessnow.org (Brett Solomon)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:28:22 +0400
Subject: ITU video
Message-ID: <CAA5eo1LkorgDXfsNBLFO-60oro_z4mM6H_ygnxnDWV_wGTA-4w@mail.gmail.com>

Hey there

Thanks everyone for a great meeting last week. I thought best bits was very
good, and provided a format for us for future IGFs to meet before and plan
our strategies/positions.

I wanted to send you through the final ITU video. Thanks again for the
input at the event and in one-on-one conversations afterwards. It was very
useful.

Please feel free to use the video in any way you see fit (it's creative
commons licensed so you can put it up on your site or use bits of it in the
development of your own content). If anyone wants to translate it or do a
voiceover, please also let me know!

We spent quite some time re-editing and finessing. I do believe that we
need an inside / outside strategy, and hopefully this provides ordinary
citizens with a view of the risks attached to ITU member states expanding
the ITU mandate to include aspects of internet governance. Remember, this
is advocacy content, and as such needs to be somewhat dramatic, educational
and motivating. Enjoy!

https://www.whatistheitu.org/

Best wishes

Brett

-- 
Brett Solomon
Executive Director | Access
accessnow.org | rightscon.org
+1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
Key ID: 0x312B641A
<http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?language=en&id=42>
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From claudio at derechosdigitales.org  Sat Nov 10 11:36:16 2012
From: claudio at derechosdigitales.org (Claudio Ruiz)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 20:36:16 +0400
Subject: ITU video
In-Reply-To: <CAA5eo1LkorgDXfsNBLFO-60oro_z4mM6H_ygnxnDWV_wGTA-4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA5eo1LkorgDXfsNBLFO-60oro_z4mM6H_ygnxnDWV_wGTA-4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E7CFAD2BFE294F3D8645A60CE0AD2E71@derechosdigitales.org>

Hi Brett,
It would be nice to upload the script in english to help with the subtitles translation on other languages.

-C  


El sábado, 10 de noviembre de 2012 a las 17:28, Brett Solomon escribió:

> Hey there
>  
> Thanks everyone for a great meeting last week. I thought best bits was very good, and provided a format for us for future IGFs to meet before and plan our strategies/positions.
>  
> I wanted to send you through the final ITU video. Thanks again for the input at the event and in one-on-one conversations afterwards. It was very useful.
>  
> Please feel free to use the video in any way you see fit (it's creative commons licensed so you can put it up on your site or use bits of it in the development of your own content). If anyone wants to translate it or do a voiceover, please also let me know!
>  
> We spent quite some time re-editing and finessing. I do believe that we need an inside / outside strategy, and hopefully this provides ordinary citizens with a view of the risks attached to ITU member states expanding the ITU mandate to include aspects of internet governance. Remember, this is advocacy content, and as such needs to be somewhat dramatic, educational and motivating. Enjoy!
>  
> https://www.whatistheitu.org/
>  
> Best wishes
>  
> Brett
>  
> --  
> Brett Solomon
> Executive Director | Access
> accessnow.org (http://accessnow.org/) | rightscon.org (http://rightscon.org/)
> +1 917 969 6077 (tel:%2B1%20917%20969%206077) | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
> Key ID: 0x312B641A
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 22:57:38 2012
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:57:38 +0400
Subject: ITU video
In-Reply-To: <CAA5eo1LkorgDXfsNBLFO-60oro_z4mM6H_ygnxnDWV_wGTA-4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA5eo1LkorgDXfsNBLFO-60oro_z4mM6H_ygnxnDWV_wGTA-4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0a8601cdbfc0$c4e8f580$4ebae080$@gmail.com>

Hi Brett,

 

Good  job!  I think that overall this is balanced and presents very well,
congrats.

 

Two smallish quibbles. and in the spirit of a "friendly amendment.

* the video refers several times to the role of government and techies in
the early development of the Internet.  The private sector would probably
also insist on its role here but as well, several historians have now
pointed to the role of Civil Society (and particularly GreenNet/APC) in the
development of the early protocols managing the international networking of
the Internet and particularly into and linking with LDC's. It might be well
to acknowledge that somewhere (I've misplaced  the reference to the
historian who made a very strong case in this regard in his inaugural
address as a VC at one of the English universities -- if anyone has the
reference easily to hand I'ld appreciate to have it passed along). 

* at the end of the video there is a reference to not wanting to  turn over
"key decisions concerning the Internet to the ITU".  While not disagreeing
with those sentiments, there are a lot of other agencies/institutions that I
would equally not want to be (or want to continue) making key decisions
concerning the Internet.  My suggestion here would be to add a sentence
indicating more positively what the characteristics should be in whoever (or
however) these key decisions are made including--open, transparent,
inclusive, people centred, multi-stakeholder and so on.

 

Best and good luck with it,

 

Mike

 

 

From: bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Brett Solomon
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 5:28 PM
To: <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject: ITU video

 

Hey there

Thanks everyone for a great meeting last week. I thought best bits was very
good, and provided a format for us for future IGFs to meet before and plan
our strategies/positions.

I wanted to send you through the final ITU video. Thanks again for the input
at the event and in one-on-one conversations afterwards. It was very useful.

Please feel free to use the video in any way you see fit (it's creative
commons licensed so you can put it up on your site or use bits of it in the
development of your own content). If anyone wants to translate it or do a
voiceover, please also let me know!

We spent quite some time re-editing and finessing. I do believe that we need
an inside / outside strategy, and hopefully this provides ordinary citizens
with a view of the risks attached to ITU member states expanding the ITU
mandate to include aspects of internet governance. Remember, this is
advocacy content, and as such needs to be somewhat dramatic, educational and
motivating. Enjoy!

https://www.whatistheitu.org/

Best wishes

Brett

-- 
Brett Solomon
Executive Director | Access
 <http://accessnow.org/> accessnow.org |  <http://rightscon.org/>
rightscon.org
+1 917 969 6077 <tel:%2B1%20917%20969%206077>  | skype: brettsolomon |
@accessnow
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 23:25:07 2012
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:25:07 +0400
Subject: ITU video
In-Reply-To: <0a8601cdbfc0$c4e8f580$4ebae080$@gmail.com>
References: <CAA5eo1LkorgDXfsNBLFO-60oro_z4mM6H_ygnxnDWV_wGTA-4w@mail.gmail.com> <0a8601cdbfc0$c4e8f580$4ebae080$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0aa401cdbfc4$8a1acd80$9e506880$@gmail.com>

Further to my earlier note the British academic is Peter Willetts and the
reference is 

 

Non-Governmental Organizations in World Politics: The construction of global
governance

by Peter Willetts, Emeritus Professor of Global Politics at City University,
London.

 

M

 

From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 7:58 AM
To: 'Brett Solomon'; bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: RE: ITU video

 

Hi Brett,

 

Good  job!  I think that overall this is balanced and presents very well,
congrats.

 

Two smallish quibbles. and in the spirit of a "friendly amendment.

* the video refers several times to the role of government and techies in
the early development of the Internet.  The private sector would probably
also insist on its role here but as well, several historians have now
pointed to the role of Civil Society (and particularly GreenNet/APC) in the
development of the early protocols managing the international networking of
the Internet and particularly into and linking with LDC's. It might be well
to acknowledge that somewhere (I've misplaced  the reference to the
historian who made a very strong case in this regard in his inaugural
address as a VC at one of the English universities -- if anyone has the
reference easily to hand I'ld appreciate to have it passed along). 

* at the end of the video there is a reference to not wanting to  turn over
"key decisions concerning the Internet to the ITU".  While not disagreeing
with those sentiments, there are a lot of other agencies/institutions that I
would equally not want to be (or want to continue) making key decisions
concerning the Internet.  My suggestion here would be to add a sentence
indicating more positively what the characteristics should be in whoever (or
however) these key decisions are made including--open, transparent,
inclusive, people centred, multi-stakeholder and so on.

 

Best and good luck with it,

 

Mike

 

 

From: bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Brett Solomon
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 5:28 PM
To: <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject: ITU video

 

Hey there

Thanks everyone for a great meeting last week. I thought best bits was very
good, and provided a format for us for future IGFs to meet before and plan
our strategies/positions.

I wanted to send you through the final ITU video. Thanks again for the input
at the event and in one-on-one conversations afterwards. It was very useful.

Please feel free to use the video in any way you see fit (it's creative
commons licensed so you can put it up on your site or use bits of it in the
development of your own content). If anyone wants to translate it or do a
voiceover, please also let me know!

We spent quite some time re-editing and finessing. I do believe that we need
an inside / outside strategy, and hopefully this provides ordinary citizens
with a view of the risks attached to ITU member states expanding the ITU
mandate to include aspects of internet governance. Remember, this is
advocacy content, and as such needs to be somewhat dramatic, educational and
motivating. Enjoy!

https://www.whatistheitu.org/

Best wishes

Brett

-- 
Brett Solomon
Executive Director | Access
 <http://accessnow.org/> accessnow.org |  <http://rightscon.org/>
rightscon.org
+1 917 969 6077 <tel:%2B1%20917%20969%206077>  | skype: brettsolomon |
@accessnow
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From brett at accessnow.org  Sun Nov 11 04:14:16 2012
From: brett at accessnow.org (Brett Solomon)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:14:16 +0400
Subject: Unity Statement on the ITU
Message-ID: <CAA5eo1JjV1dB8ZwDaxOO-F13YFnCrNTRsEwqJRoM-akdoxy3RA@mail.gmail.com>

Friends

Here are the list of organizations that have signed the ITU Unity Statement
to date. If you haven't already signed please consider doing so:

http://protectinternetfreedom.net/

Brett
*
Argentina*
❯ Fundacion Via Libre
❯ empleado
❯ Association for Civil Rights
*Azerbaijan*
❯ Human Rights Club
❯ Institute for Reporters' Freedom and Safety
❯ Expression Online Initiative
*Bangladesh*
❯ Monthly Community Media
❯ ChangeMaker - Society for Social and Economic Development
❯ Center for E-Parliament Research
❯ Machizo Multimedia Communication
❯ Bangladesh Internet Governance Forum
❯ Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication(BNNRC)
*Belarus*
❯ Belarus IT Aid
*Belgium*
❯ CCIA
❯ European Youth Forum (YFJ)
❯ IFIP
❯ FEDERATION OF YOUNG EUROPEAN GREENS
*Bolivia*
❯ Más y Mejor Internet para Bolivia
*Brazil*
❯ CTS/FGV
❯ ciranda
❯ centro de inovacao social
❯ Instituto NUPEF
*Bulgaria*
❯ Forum for Arab Culture
*Cambodia*
❯ CUS
Canada
❯ Samuelson Glushko Canadian Internet Policy & Public Interest Clinic
(CIPPIC)
❯ Canupawakpa Dakota First Nation
❯ parti de la Nation Québécoise
❯ OpenMedia
❯ Affinity Bridge
❯ Simple Jobz
❯ IMMI Canada
❯ World Freedom
❯ Centre for Community Informatics Research, Development and Training
❯ Leadnow.ca
*Chile*
❯ ONG META
❯ ONG Derechos Digitales
*China*
❯ Rage University
❯ Human Rights Briefing
*Colombia*
❯ Fundación Karisma
❯ CorpoZuleta
*Costa Rica*
❯ Sulá Batsú
*Croatia*
❯ Pirate Party of Croatia
*Ecuador*
❯ #LoxaEsMás
*Egypt*
❯ Bokra for media studies and human rights
❯ Cairo Liberal Forum
❯ Bokra for Media Production, Media Studies and Human Rights
❯ Global Voices Arabic Lingua
*Finland*
❯ Electronic Frontier Finland - Effi
*France*
❯ I.d & l
❯ ALDIL
*Germany*
❯ European Summer School on Internet Governance (SSIG)
❯ Committee for a Democratic U.N.
❯ HIIG
*Greece*
❯ iGuRu News
*Hong Kong S.A.R., China*
❯ CUHK
*Iceland*
❯ IMMI
*India*
❯ The Centre for Internet and Society
*Indonesia*
❯ ICT Watch Indonesia
*International*
❯ Association for Progressive Communications (APC)
❯ Consumers International
❯ World Press Freedom Committee
❯ Human Rights Watch
❯ OpenMedia International
❯ Reporters Without Borders
❯ Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
❯ Occupy
❯ Access
❯ Crowdleaks
❯ #Anonymous
❯ Global Voices Advocacy
❯ Freedom House
❯ McTim
*Iran*
❯ Small Media
*Iraq*
❯ Iraqi Network for Social Media
*Ireland*
❯ Digital Rights Ireland
*Jordan*
❯ Jordan Open Source Association
*Lebanon*
❯ Social Media Exchange
*Malaysia*
❯ Centre for Independent Journalism (CIJ) Malaysia
*Mexico*
❯ UNAM
*Morocco*
❯ Mamfakinch
*New Zealand*
❯ InternetNZ
*Nigeria*
❯ AgeCare Foundation
❯ Ministry of Agriculture and Natural Resources
❯ Paradigm Initiative Nigeria
*Pakistan*
❯ Digital Rights Foundation
❯ Bytes for All, Pakistan
*Peru*
❯ FocutTVE
❯ Alfa-Redi
❯ Asociacion Pro Derechos Humanos
❯ Hiperderecho
Philippines
❯ Filipino Freethinkers
*Poland*
❯ Fundacja Nowoczesna Polska
*Portugal*
❯ Projecto MiudosSegurosNa.Net
*Senegal*
❯ ADEC
*Slovenia*
❯ agape k.d.
❯ Slovenian Evaluation SOcviety
❯ Piratska stranka Slovenije - Pirati
❯ Pirate Party of Slovenia
❯ Slovenian Pirate Party
❯ Privat
❯ Piratska stranka Slovenije
❯ Piratska stranka
❯ Pirate Party
*Spain*
❯ Complutense Univ.- Cyberlaw Clinic
*Sweden*
❯ nnis
❯ Julia Group
*Taiwan*
❯ NTHU
*Thailand*
❯ Thai Netizen Network
❯ Freedom Against Censorship RThailand (FACT)
*Tunisia*
❯ CCK
❯ TEC4DEV
❯ ISOC Tunisia
*Turkey*
❯ Alternative Information Technology Association
*Uganda*
❯ i freedom Uganda
❯ Media Monitoring Network (MEMONET)
*United Kingdom*
❯ Global Voices Online
❯ Luno Solutions Ltd
❯ Occupynewsnetwork
❯ world citizen
❯ Code Curators
❯ Anonymous Manufacturing
❯ In Your Face Studios
❯ MylandPakistan
❯ Police State UK
❯ LSE
*United States*
❯ Fight For The Future
❯ The Geek Group
❯ May First/People Link
❯ Poetry Victims
❯ 2012
❯ Center for Democracy and Technology
❯ Cynosure Productions
❯ Free Press
❯ Street Kred Art, Inc.
❯ The College of New Jersey
❯ New America Foundation
❯ Private Internet Access

-- 
Brett Solomon
Executive Director | Access
accessnow.org | rightscon.org
+1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
Key ID: 0x312B641A
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From brett at accessnow.org  Sat Nov  3 12:04:07 2012
From: brett at accessnow.org (Brett Solomon)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 12:04:07 -0400
Subject: ITU response to proposed CS statement (Baku)
Message-ID: <CAA5eo1LZ5Smwe8-8EfY7nRmnHt+NcnAAoP4rmA5cJFGmgMwurw@mail.gmail.com>

See below

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Conneally, Paul <paul.conneally at itu.int>
Date: Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Feedback from our NYC Meeting
To: Deborah Brown <deborah at accessnow.org>
Cc: Brett Solomon <brett at accessnow.org>, "Fowlie, Gary" <gary.fowlie at itu.int>,
"doreen.bogdan at itu.int" <doreen.bogdan at itu.in>, Jochai Ben-Avie <
jochai at accessnow.org>, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>


 Hi Deborah, I have discussed here in Geneva and we think it important to
receive this submission so are willing to extend until you are ready to
submit. Please do not include hyperlinks. URLs are OK, but only as plain
text, that is, not clickable. Many thx, Paul.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 3, 2012, at 14:56, "Deborah Brown" <deborah at accessnow.org> wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Regarding the public consultation, is it possible to keep the platform up
for another day?  A number of civil society groups have been meeting in
Baku today and are preparing a joint submission. We would appreciate a bit
more time to get it just right.

 Many thanks,
Deborah
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From kbankston at cdt.org  Sun Nov 11 06:21:23 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:21:23 +0400
Subject: urgent call for ITU-related microgrant proposals
Message-ID: <B7DF513E-FE44-4295-AF24-7B2F09116E30@cdt.org>

Hello from MozFest in London:

I wanted to give everyone a heads up that tomorrow morning GMT, Mozilla Foundation will be putting out an urgent call for ITU-related microgrants; I'm giving you all a preview now so that if you are interested or know someone that might be interested that you can get to work now, because once the call goes live you will only have three days to submit your (very brief) proposal.  We're hoping that decisions will be made by Thursday, with wire transfers initiated by Friday.

I don't have the final submission email yet but I do have the presumably final language of the call, below; you'll see that its priorities are very much tied to the priorities set by the tactical breakout at Best Bits.  I will send the official release with email when I have it. 

Thanks and great seeing everyone in Baku, 
Kevin

Open Internet Microgrants to Support Civil Society Engagement with the ITU
On December 3rd, the world’s governments will begin a ten-day meeting in Dubai to update a key treaty of a UN agency called the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). Some proposed changes to that treaty could threaten Internet openness and innovation, increase access costs, and erode human rights online. We are urgently calling for projects that will help give civil society organizations that support an open Internet a stronger voice before and during that key meeting, the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT).

What We Want to Support
Efforts to influence your government's position in the lead up to the WCIT meeting.
Costs for civil society representatives to participate at WCIT in Dubai, provided you are already a part of your country's delegation or have otherwise demonstrated commitment and expertise in this area.
Provision of basic technical infrastructure and tools that let civil society representatives on the ground in Dubai coordinate and communicate with each other, their home organizations, and the media.

The Details
The call for proposal opens up on Nov. 12 and closes on the 15th (midnight GMT).
This is a micro grant fund. There is a total of $10,000 available. Ideally, we will be supporting 8-10 projects from that amount. That means your grant will be approximately $1,000.
You need to be able to receive a wire transfer to a bank account. It can be your personal bank account. Individuals can apply.
We will contact you if we have any questions or to award you the grant. If you have not heard from us by November 16, we will have chosen not to provide support to your project.
Once a decision has been made, you will receive a letter from Mozilla summarizing the project you've proposed and agreeing to provide you the funds. 
When the project is done, you will need to provide us a letter telling us what happened, how it went, and what you think you accomplished.

The Criteria
We will give preference to proposals that:
Ideally, show 1:1 matching support
Demonstrate your capacity to effect positive change
Facilitate regionally diverse participation in the WCIT
Can be implemented quickly

What We Need to Know
Send us an e-mail with the following information. If you are applying for travel support, be sure to tell us whether or not you are already included in your country's delegation.
Name:
E-mail:
Organization (if applicable):
Country:
URL (if applicable):
Project Title:
What are you going to do?
Why are you the one to do it?
How will you spend the money?

____________________________________
Kevin S. Bankston
Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
202.407.8834 direct
202.637.0968 fax
kbankston at cdt.org

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From ceo at bnnrc.net  Mon Nov 12 02:01:29 2012
From: ceo at bnnrc.net (AHM Bazlur Rahman)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:01:29 +0600
Subject: urgent call for ITU-related microgrant proposals
In-Reply-To: <B7DF513E-FE44-4295-AF24-7B2F09116E30@cdt.org>
References: <B7DF513E-FE44-4295-AF24-7B2F09116E30@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <CAEc4Ok-dpcA2fBG6wWbjraOLf7tpG-M5G7=E52nevREPL7Ro0w@mail.gmail.com>

*Dear Kevin Bankston,*
Greetings from Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC)
Thank you very much for your nice mail regarding urgent call for
ITU-related micro-grant proposals.

We would like to submit a brief proposal from Bangladesh in line with WCIT
by November 16, 2012. Pls. consider us!

With best regards,



Bazlu
_______________________
AHM. Bazlur Rahman-S21BR
Chief Executive Officer
Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC)
[NGO in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social Council]
&
Head, Community Media Academy

House: 13/1, Road: 2, Shaymoli, Dhaka-1207  Bangladesh
Phone: +88-02-9130750, +88-02-9138501, Cell: +88 01711881647
Fax: 88-02-9138501-105,
E-mail: ceo at bnnrc.net, bnnr <bnnrc at bd.drik.net>cbd at gmail.com  www.bnnrc.net






On 11 November 2012 17:21, Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:

> Hello from MozFest in London:
>
> I wanted to give everyone a heads up that tomorrow morning GMT, Mozilla
> Foundation will be putting out an urgent call for ITU-related microgrants;
> I'm giving you all a preview now so that if you are interested or know
> someone that might be interested that you can get to work now, because once
> the call goes live you will only have three days to submit your (very
> brief) proposal.  We're hoping that decisions will be made by Thursday,
> with wire transfers initiated by Friday.
>
> I don't have the final submission email yet but I do have the presumably
> final language of the call, below; you'll see that its priorities are very
> much tied to the priorities set by the tactical breakout at Best Bits.  I
> will send the official release with email when I have it.
>
> Thanks and great seeing everyone in Baku,
> Kevin
>
> *Open Internet Microgrants to Support Civil Society Engagement with the
> ITU*
> On December 3rd, the world’s governments will begin a ten-day meeting in
> Dubai to update a key treaty of a UN agency called the International
> Telecommunication Union (ITU). Some proposed changes to that treaty could
> threaten Internet openness and innovation, increase access costs, and erode
> human rights online. We are urgently calling for projects that will help
> give civil society organizations that support an open Internet a stronger
> voice before and during that key meeting, the World Conference on
> International Telecommunications (WCIT).
>
> *What We Want to Support*
>
>    - Efforts to influence your government's position in the lead up to
>    the WCIT meeting.
>
>
>    - Costs for civil society representatives to participate at WCIT in
>    Dubai, provided you are already a part of your country's delegation or have
>    otherwise demonstrated commitment and expertise in this area.
>
>
>    - Provision of basic technical infrastructure and tools that let civil
>    society representatives on the ground in Dubai coordinate and communicate
>    with each other, their home organizations, and the media.
>
>
> *The Details*
>
>    - The call for proposal opens up on Nov. 12 and closes on the 15th
>    (midnight GMT).
>
>
>    - This is a micro grant fund. There is a total of $10,000 available.
>    Ideally, we will be supporting 8-10 projects from that amount. That means
>    your grant will be approximately $1,000.
>
>
>    - You need to be able to receive a wire transfer to a bank account. It
>    can be your personal bank account. Individuals can apply.
>
>
>    - We will contact you if we have any questions or to award you the
>    grant. If you have not heard from us by November 16, we will have chosen
>    not to provide support to your project.
>
>
>    - Once a decision has been made, you will receive a letter from
>    Mozilla summarizing the project you've proposed and agreeing to provide you
>    the funds.
>
>
>    - When the project is done, you will need to provide us a letter
>    telling us what happened, how it went, and what you think you accomplished.
>
>
> *The Criteria*
> We will give preference to proposals that:
>
>    - Ideally, show 1:1 matching support
>
>
>    - Demonstrate your capacity to effect positive change
>
>
>    - Facilitate regionally diverse participation in the WCIT
>
>
>    - Can be implemented quickly
>
>
> *What We Need to Know*
> Send us an e-mail with the following information. If you are applying for
> travel support, be sure to tell us whether or not you are already included
> in your country's delegation.
>
>    - Name:
>
>
>    - E-mail:
>
>
>    - Organization (if applicable):
>
>
>    - Country:
>
>
>    - URL (if applicable):
>
>
>    - Project Title:
>
>
>    - What are you going to do?
>
>
>    - Why are you the one to do it?
>
>
>    - How will you spend the money?
>
>
>    ____________________________________
> Kevin S. Bankston
> Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> 1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
> Washington, DC 20006
> 202.407.8834 direct
> 202.637.0968 fax
> kbankston at cdt.org
>
> Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech
>
>
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From kbankston at cdt.org  Mon Nov 12 05:19:53 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:19:53 +0000
Subject: urgent call for ITU-related microgrant proposals
In-Reply-To: <582B8B62-883F-4FE5-BC61-DAFD166CD5FD@cdt.org>
References: <582B8B62-883F-4FE5-BC61-DAFD166CD5FD@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <B0457C55-BBF3-4A1F-B94B-E43329893093@cdt.org>

Hello again, everyone--

Here's the final microgrant call for proposals.  The only changes since yesterday are the addition of the email address to which you should submit (apply at mozillafoundation.org) and a clarification of the deadline (midnight GMT on Wednesday night).  Please forward to anyone you think could quickly make good ITU-related use of a thousand dollars.

Thanks, 
Kevin

Open Internet Microgrants to Support Civil Society Engagement with the ITU
On December 3rd, the world’s governments will begin a ten-day meeting in Dubai to update a key treaty of a UN agency called the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). Some proposed changes to that treaty could threaten Internet openness and innovation, increase access costs, and erode human rights online. We are urgently calling for projects that will help give civil society organizations that support an open Internet a stronger voice before and during that key meeting, the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT).

What We Want to Support
Efforts to influence your government's position in the lead up to the WCIT meeting.
Costs for civil society representatives to participate at WCIT in Dubai, provided you are already a part of your country's delegation or have otherwise demonstrated commitment and expertise in this area.
Provision of basic technical infrastructure and tools that let civil society representatives on the ground in Dubai coordinate and communicate with each other, their home organizations, and the media.

The Details
The call for proposal opens up on Nov. 12 and closes at 12 AM GMT Nov. 15 (i.e., midnight the night of the 14th).
This is a micro grant fund. There is a total of $10,000 available. Ideally, we will be supporting 8-10 projects from that amount. That means your grant will be approximately $1,000.
You need to be able to receive a wire transfer to a bank account. It can be your personal bank account. Individuals can apply.
We will contact you if we have any questions or to award you the grant. If you have not heard from us by November 16, we will have chosen not to provide support to your project.
Once a decision has been made, you will receive a letter from Mozilla summarizing the project you've proposed and agreeing to provide you the funds. 
When the project is done, you will need to provide us a letter telling us what happened, how it went, and what you think you accomplished.

The Criteria
We will give preference to proposals that:
Ideally, show 1:1 matching support
Demonstrate your capacity to effect positive change
Facilitate regionally diverse participation in the WCIT
Can be implemented quickly

What We Need to Know
Send an e-mail to apply at mozillafoundation.org with the following information. If you are applying for travel support, be sure to tell us whether or not you are already included in your country's delegation.
Name:
E-mail:
Organization (if applicable):
Country:
URL (if applicable):
Project Title:
What are you going to do?
Why are you the one to do it?
How will you spend the money?

On Nov 11, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:

> Hello from MozFest in London:
> 
> I wanted to give everyone a heads up that tomorrow morning GMT, Mozilla Foundation will be putting out an urgent call for ITU-related microgrants, a call that a group of us developed here yesterday.  I'm giving you all a preview now so that if you are interested or know someone that might be interested, you can get to work now, because once the call goes live you will only have three days to submit your (very brief) proposal.   We're hoping to make decisions on Thursday, with wire transfers initiated by Friday.
> 
> I don't yet have the email address to which you should send final submissions but I do have the presumably final language of the call, below; its priorities are very much tied to the priorities set by the ITU tactical breakout group at the Best Bits civil society meeting last week in Baku ahead of the IGF conference.  I will send the official release with email address when I have it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> 
> ____________________________________
> Kevin S. Bankston
> Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> 1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
> Washington, DC 20006
> 202.407.8834 direct
> 202.637.0968 fax
> kbankston at cdt.org
> 
> Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech
> 
> Open Internet Microgrants to Support Civil Society Engagement with the ITU
> On December 3rd, the world’s governments will begin a ten-day meeting in Dubai to update a key treaty of a UN agency called the International  Telecommunication Union (ITU). Some proposed changes to that treaty could threaten Internet openness and innovation, increase access costs, and erode human rights online. We are urgently calling for projects that will help give civil society organizations that support an open Internet a stronger voice before and during that key meeting, the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT).
> 
> What We Want to Support
> Efforts to influence your government's position in the lead up to the WCIT meeting.
> Costs for civil society representatives to participate at WCIT in Dubai, provided you are already a part of your country's delegation or have otherwise demonstrated commitment and expertise in this area.
> Provision of basic technical infrastructure and tools that let civil society representatives on the ground in Dubai coordinate and communicate with each other, their home organizations, and the media.
> 
> The Details
> The call for proposal opens up on Nov. 12 and closes on the 15th (midnight GMT).
> This is a micro grant fund. There is a total of $10,000 available. Ideally, we will be supporting 8-10 projects from that amount. That means your grant will be approximately $1,000.
> You need to be able to receive a wire transfer to a bank account. It can be your personal bank account. Individuals can apply.
> We will contact you if we have any questions or to award you the grant. If you have not heard from us by November 16, we will have chosen not to provide support to your project.
> Once a decision has been made, you will receive a letter from Mozilla summarizing the project you've proposed and agreeing to provide you the funds. 
> When the project is done, you will need to provide us a letter telling us what happened, how it went, and what you think you accomplished.
> 
> The Criteria
> We will give preference to proposals that:
> Ideally, show 1:1 matching support
> Demonstrate your capacity to effect positive change
> Facilitate regionally diverse participation in the WCIT
> Can be implemented quickly
> 
> What We Need to Know
> Send us an e-mail with the following information. If you are applying for travel support, be sure to tell us whether or not you are already included in your country's delegation.
> Name:
> E-mail:
> Organization (if applicable):
> Country:
> URL (if applicable):
> Project Title:
> What are you going to do?
> Why are you the one to do it?
> How will you spend the money?
> 
> 
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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Thu Nov  8 05:48:12 2012
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:48:12 +0400
Subject: Existing List of IG principles + rights
Message-ID: <509B8DEC.8010109@cis-india.org>

Dear all,
I recall Wolfgang saying that there are at least 25 distinct statements
on Internet governance principles / rights.  Is there any good list of
these with links?

Regards,
Pranesh

-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash

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From kbankston at cdt.org  Wed Nov 14 11:40:46 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:40:46 -0500
Subject: Existing List of IG principles + rights
In-Reply-To: <509B8DEC.8010109@cis-india.org>
References: <509B8DEC.8010109@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <2E4C9A4E-DCD2-47DD-B3A6-5A2FE68FB750@cdt.org>

This is the best list I've seen (I think Jeremy compiled it?)
http://igcaucus.org/links
____________________________________
Kevin S. Bankston
Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
202.407.8834 direct
202.637.0968 fax
kbankston at cdt.org

Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech

On Nov 8, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:

> Dear all,
> I recall Wolfgang saying that there are at least 25 distinct statements
> on Internet governance principles / rights.  Is there any good list of
> these with links?
> 
> Regards,
> Pranesh
> 
> -- 
> Pranesh Prakash
> Policy Director
> Centre for Internet and Society
> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
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From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org  Wed Nov 14 12:17:39 2012
From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:17:39 +0400
Subject: Bits found
Message-ID: <20121114171739.GA10944@tarvainen.info>

On a lighter tone, I found some bits in Baku - perhaps not
of the best kind, but definitely useful:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=480907225265505&set=a.470006606355567.102581.100000386941622&type=1&theater

:-)

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From jeremy at ciroap.org  Wed Nov 14 21:25:35 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:25:35 +0800
Subject: Existing List of IG principles + rights
In-Reply-To: <2E4C9A4E-DCD2-47DD-B3A6-5A2FE68FB750@cdt.org>
References: <509B8DEC.8010109@cis-india.org> <2E4C9A4E-DCD2-47DD-B3A6-5A2FE68FB750@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <5DCB894C-EC88-4060-8451-AF8CC1149452@ciroap.org>

On 15 Nov, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:

> This is the best list I've seen (I think Jeremy compiled it?)
> http://igcaucus.org/links

Anyone who has more links, send them to me and I'll update this list... or will give you direct rights to edit.
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From nb at bollow.ch  Thu Nov 15 11:50:59 2012
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:50:59 +0100
Subject: ITU video
In-Reply-To: <0a8601cdbfc0$c4e8f580$4ebae080$@gmail.com>
References: <CAA5eo1LkorgDXfsNBLFO-60oro_z4mM6H_ygnxnDWV_wGTA-4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<0a8601cdbfc0$c4e8f580$4ebae080$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121115175059.4529f494@quill.bollow.ch>

Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Brett,
> Good  job!  I think that overall this is balanced and presents very
> well, congrats.

+1

Greetings,
Norbert


From ellanso at cdt.org  Fri Nov 16 18:34:14 2012
From: ellanso at cdt.org (Emma Llanso)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:34:14 -0500
Subject: coordinating during WCIT
Message-ID: <50A6CD76.7030603@cdt.org>

Hi all,

One of the questions that came up during our tactics discussion during 
Best Bits was how to coordinate during the WCIT -- what mechanisms we 
might use to help members of civil society (on delegations and 
unaffiliated, on the ground in Dubai and back home) to chat informally 
and share information and analysis of proposals under consideration.

Has anyone had time to give this more thought, or heard of efforts to 
set something up that are underway?  We've been brainstorming possible 
approaches at CDT (thinking something commercial-off-the-shelf, like 
Etherpad, would ultimately be more reliable than trying to build 
something from scratch in a few weeks) and wanted to see what makes the 
most sense to people.

If you're interested in joining a call to talk about this some time 
early next week, please fill out this scheduling poll: 
http://www.doodle.com/ugq7696vkqc7b3sh .

I hope everyone who attended made it home safely after IGF!
Best,
Emma
-- 
Emma J. Llansó
Policy Counsel
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I Street NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
202-407-8818 | @cendemtech <https://twitter.com/#%21/CenDemTech>
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From avri at acm.org  Fri Nov 16 19:29:26 2012
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:29:26 -0500
Subject: coordinating during WCIT
In-Reply-To: <50A6CD76.7030603@cdt.org>
References: <50A6CD76.7030603@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <5D5BB60D-7B03-4DC8-8BC3-F51F7CEDB0E9@acm.org>

Hi,

I think Etherpad might be ok.
Though it is completely open and insecure

I would join a call but will already be in Dubai for WTSA and have no idea what my schedule will look like.

Anyone else going for the WTSA?

avriu

On 16 Nov 2012, at 18:34, Emma Llanso wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> One of the questions that came up during our tactics discussion during Best Bits was how to coordinate during the WCIT -- what mechanisms we might use to help members of civil society (on delegations and unaffiliated, on the ground in Dubai and back home) to chat informally and share information and analysis of proposals under consideration.
> 
> Has anyone had time to give this more thought, or heard of efforts to set something up that are underway?  We've been brainstorming possible approaches at CDT (thinking something commercial-off-the-shelf, like Etherpad, would ultimately be more reliable than trying to build something from scratch in a few weeks) and wanted to see what makes the most sense to people.  
> 
> If you're interested in joining a call to talk about this some time early next week, please fill out this scheduling poll:  http://www.doodle.com/ugq7696vkqc7b3sh .
> 
> I hope everyone who attended made it home safely after IGF!
> Best,
> Emma
> -- 
> Emma J. Llansó
> Policy Counsel
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> 1634 I Street NW, Suite 1100
> Washington, DC 20006
> 202-407-8818 | @cendemtech



From anriette at apc.org  Sat Nov  3 12:06:01 2012
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:06:01 +0200
Subject: ITU response to proposed CS statement (Baku)
In-Reply-To: <CAA5eo1LZ5Smwe8-8EfY7nRmnHt+NcnAAoP4rmA5cJFGmgMwurw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA5eo1LZ5Smwe8-8EfY7nRmnHt+NcnAAoP4rmA5cJFGmgMwurw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509540E9.1050104@apc.org>

Excellent.

Anriette

On 03/11/2012 18:04, Brett Solomon wrote:
> See below
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Conneally, Paul <paul.conneally at itu.int>
> Date: Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Feedback from our NYC Meeting
> To: Deborah Brown <deborah at accessnow.org>
> Cc: Brett Solomon <brett at accessnow.org>, "Fowlie, Gary" <gary.fowlie at itu.int>,
> "doreen.bogdan at itu.int" <doreen.bogdan at itu.in>, Jochai Ben-Avie <
> jochai at accessnow.org>, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>
>
>  Hi Deborah, I have discussed here in Geneva and we think it important to
> receive this submission so are willing to extend until you are ready to
> submit. Please do not include hyperlinks. URLs are OK, but only as plain
> text, that is, not clickable. Many thx, Paul.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 3, 2012, at 14:56, "Deborah Brown" <deborah at accessnow.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi everyone,
>
>  Regarding the public consultation, is it possible to keep the platform up
> for another day?  A number of civil society groups have been meeting in
> Baku today and are preparing a joint submission. We would appreciate a bit
> more time to get it just right.
>
>  Many thanks,
> Deborah
>

-- 
------------------------------------------------------
anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org
executive director, association for progressive communications
www.apc.org
po box 29755, melville 2109
south africa
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From william.drake at uzh.ch  Sat Nov 17 05:58:11 2012
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:58:11 +0100
Subject: coordinating during WCIT
In-Reply-To: <50A6CD76.7030603@cdt.org>
References: <50A6CD76.7030603@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <AF2C4826-D214-4889-B959-7E5A5C809926@uzh.ch>

Hi

I sent a message on the governance list inviting any CS folks on their delegations to be in touch, got back just a couple replies. Looked at the ITU's latest list of confirmed delegates and they've not processed yet a few CS names I'd expected to see.  So so far a thin list of inside-the-hall people to coordinate with.  

I've heard different things from people about what if any impediments/security concerns there may be in Dubai with regard to electronic comm, would be good to know...

Cheers

Bill


On Nov 17, 2012, at 12:34 AM, Emma Llanso wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> One of the questions that came up during our tactics discussion during Best Bits was how to coordinate during the WCIT -- what mechanisms we might use to help members of civil society (on delegations and unaffiliated, on the ground in Dubai and back home) to chat informally and share information and analysis of proposals under consideration.
> 
> Has anyone had time to give this more thought, or heard of efforts to set something up that are underway?  We've been brainstorming possible approaches at CDT (thinking something commercial-off-the-shelf, like Etherpad, would ultimately be more reliable than trying to build something from scratch in a few weeks) and wanted to see what makes the most sense to people.  
> 
> If you're interested in joining a call to talk about this some time early next week, please fill out this scheduling poll:  http://www.doodle.com/ugq7696vkqc7b3sh .
> 
> I hope everyone who attended made it home safely after IGF!
> Best,
> Emma
> -- 
> Emma J. Llansó
> Policy Counsel
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> 1634 I Street NW, Suite 1100
> Washington, DC 20006
> 202-407-8818 | @cendemtech

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From genekimmelman at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 18:50:18 2012
From: genekimmelman at gmail.com (Gene Kimmelman)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:50:18 -0500
Subject: coordinating during WCIT
In-Reply-To: <50A6CD76.7030603@cdt.org>
References: <50A6CD76.7030603@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <C83A9285-A517-47C5-9A5D-83D794F93082@gmail.com>

My suggestion is that we connect the people on the ground at WCIT for daily discussions/updates in person.   Then we can work out what non-delegates are in a position to report on to the broader community.  I'm open to any other ideas, but worry that it is dangerous to over promising what can be disseminated over the Internet at this type of convening.
On Nov 16, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Emma Llanso wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> One of the questions that came up during our tactics discussion during Best Bits was how to coordinate during the WCIT -- what mechanisms we might use to help members of civil society (on delegations and unaffiliated, on the ground in Dubai and back home) to chat informally and share information and analysis of proposals under consideration.
> 
> Has anyone had time to give this more thought, or heard of efforts to set something up that are underway?  We've been brainstorming possible approaches at CDT (thinking something commercial-off-the-shelf, like Etherpad, would ultimately be more reliable than trying to build something from scratch in a few weeks) and wanted to see what makes the most sense to people.  
> 
> If you're interested in joining a call to talk about this some time early next week, please fill out this scheduling poll:  http://www.doodle.com/ugq7696vkqc7b3sh .
> 
> I hope everyone who attended made it home safely after IGF!
> Best,
> Emma
> -- 
> Emma J. Llansó
> Policy Counsel
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> 1634 I Street NW, Suite 1100
> Washington, DC 20006
> 202-407-8818 | @cendemtech

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From deborah at accessnow.org  Mon Nov 19 18:28:45 2012
From: deborah at accessnow.org (Deborah Brown)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:28:45 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] Re: ITU video
In-Reply-To: <E7CFAD2BFE294F3D8645A60CE0AD2E71@derechosdigitales.org>
References: <CAA5eo1LkorgDXfsNBLFO-60oro_z4mM6H_ygnxnDWV_wGTA-4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7CFAD2BFE294F3D8645A60CE0AD2E71@derechosdigitales.org>
Message-ID: <CALU7RQZ3c5VzscbiKF4rXMO=nxaiXgd_gjsMHkpN8v9KYCmbwA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Claudio,

Apologies for my delayed reply. The final script is attached to this email.
We're using Amara for subtitled translations and have translations into
about 20 languages so far. We'd love to have more languages!
http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/videos/YAfuLWFp5zS4/info/how-the-itu-could-put-the-internet-behind-closed-doors/

Additionally, Mozilla created a remix of this video through the Popcorn
Maker Project. They put together a ~1 minute video that is easy to
personalize, remix, and share. What's great about this version is that it
allows anyone to tweak the content so that the wording and tone is tailored
for your audience. The remixed video and tips on how to use the Popcorn
Maker can be found here:
https://www.webmaker.org/en-US/projects/roll-your-own-itu-activism-video/It
would be great to know if people are remixing the video!

Best,
Deborah


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Claudio Ruiz <claudio at derechosdigitales.org
> wrote:

> Hi Brett,
> It would be nice to upload the script in english to help with the
> subtitles translation on other languages.
>
> -C
>
> El sábado, 10 de noviembre de 2012 a las 17:28, Brett Solomon escribió:
>
> Hey there
>
> Thanks everyone for a great meeting last week. I thought best bits was
> very good, and provided a format for us for future IGFs to meet before and
> plan our strategies/positions.
>
> I wanted to send you through the final ITU video. Thanks again for the
> input at the event and in one-on-one conversations afterwards. It was very
> useful.
>
> Please feel free to use the video in any way you see fit (it's creative
> commons licensed so you can put it up on your site or use bits of it in the
> development of your own content). If anyone wants to translate it or do a
> voiceover, please also let me know!
>
> We spent quite some time re-editing and finessing. I do believe that we
> need an inside / outside strategy, and hopefully this provides ordinary
> citizens with a view of the risks attached to ITU member states expanding
> the ITU mandate to include aspects of internet governance. Remember, this
> is advocacy content, and as such needs to be somewhat dramatic, educational
> and motivating. Enjoy!
>
> https://www.whatistheitu.org/
>
> Best wishes
>
> Brett
>
> --
> Brett Solomon
> Executive Director | Access
> accessnow.org | rightscon.org
> +1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
> Key ID: 0x312B641A
> <http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?language=en&id=42>
>
>
>


-- 
Deborah Brown
Policy Analyst
Access | AccessNow.org
E. deborah at accessnow.org
S. deborah.l.brown
T. deblebrown
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From evangreer at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 16:28:41 2012
From: evangreer at gmail.com (Evan Greer)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:28:41 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] Int'l Call to Coordinate Actions around the ITU
Message-ID: <CAHDHqy-XwJKFJob2JceRGUSXUf0BqknZB_Tu49Qc2x_i=px0vA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

My name is Evan Greer and I am just joining this list. I am the new
campaign manager at Fight for the Future and heavily involved in our ITU
campaign. We have been sort of lurking on this BestBits list, wondering
what others are planning for December 3rd We're hoping to work with others
around the world to mobilize a big day of action for that date using an
online phone call / email tool and an interactive map that encourages
people to organize meetings outside their country's ITU representative's
office.

We want to be involved on December 3rd! Is there some nexus of activity
that we should be connected to?

We want to invite all of you who are interested to participate in an
international conference call this Wed, November 28th, at 12pm EST. The
purpose of this call is to bring together groups from around the world who
are working on ITU activism to coordinate a final push in the week leading
up to WCIT. We want to know what everyone else is doing and how we can all
work together to keep the pressure on as the ITU goes to vote.

Please RSVP to me if you can participate in the conference call on
Wednesday.  So far we know we will have representatives from Mozilla, the
AFL-CIO (who are working with their international partners on this), Center
for Democracy and Technology, and we have invited many other groups from
around the world.

*Here is the call info:

Wed, Nov 28th, 12pm EST:*
U.S. Conference Dial-In number: +1 209-255-1000
Participant AccessCode: 394195#
To call in internationally, call from the numbers for each country here:
http://d.pr/i/5O9m

Thanks for all the work everyone is doing,
-Evan Greer with Fight for the Future

-- 
*Evan Greer*
Campaign Manager
Fight for the Future
Cell: 978-852-6457
Skype: evanfromriotfolk
http://www.fightforthefuture.org <http://www.whatistheITU.org>

What is the ITU? What does it mean for the future of the internet?
Find out at http://www.whatistheITU.o <http://www.whatistheITU.org>rg
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From pwilson at apnic.net  Tue Nov 27 03:22:50 2012
From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:22:50 +1000
Subject: [bestbits] Int'l Call to Coordinate Actions around the ITU
In-Reply-To: <CAHDHqy-XwJKFJob2JceRGUSXUf0BqknZB_Tu49Qc2x_i=px0vA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHDHqy-XwJKFJob2JceRGUSXUf0BqknZB_Tu49Qc2x_i=px0vA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C46F7944-CC1C-46B0-9A7C-A3DBF7249532@apnic.net>

Hi Evan,

For an "International conference call" you need to provide a time in UTC.  

Most of us don't understand "EST".


thanks,

Paul



On 27/11/2012, at 7:28 AM, Evan Greer wrote:

> Hello everyone, 
> 
> My name is Evan Greer and I am just joining this list. I am the new campaign manager at Fight for the Future and heavily involved in our ITU campaign. We have been sort of lurking on this BestBits list, wondering what others are planning for December 3rd We're hoping to work with others around the world to mobilize a big day of action for that date using an online phone call / email tool and an interactive map that encourages people to organize meetings outside their country's ITU representative's office. 
> 
> We want to be involved on December 3rd! Is there some nexus of activity that we should be connected to?
> 
> We want to invite all of you who are interested to participate in an international conference call this Wed, November 28th, at 12pm EST. The purpose of this call is to bring together groups from around the world  who are working on ITU activism to coordinate a final push in the week leading up to WCIT. We want to know what everyone else is doing and how we can all work together to keep the pressure on as the ITU goes to vote.
> 
> Please RSVP to me if you can participate in the conference call on Wednesday.  So far we know we will have representatives from Mozilla, the AFL-CIO (who are working with their international partners on this), Center for Democracy and Technology, and we have invited many other groups from around the world.
> 
> Here is the call info:
> 
> Wed, Nov 28th, 12pm EST:
> U.S. Conference Dial-In number: +1 209-255-1000 
> Participant AccessCode: 394195#
> To call in internationally, call from the numbers for each country here: http://d.pr/i/5O9m
> 
> Thanks for all the work everyone is doing,
> -Evan Greer with Fight for the Future
> 
> -- 
> Evan Greer
> Campaign Manager
> Fight for the Future
> Cell: 978-852-6457
> Skype: evanfromriotfolk
> http://www.fightforthefuture.org 
> 
> What is the ITU? What does it mean for the future of the internet?
> Find out at http://www.whatistheITU.org


From genekimmelman at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 07:09:06 2012
From: genekimmelman at gmail.com (Gene Kimmelman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:09:06 -0200
Subject: [bestbits] Int'l Call to Coordinate Actions around the ITU
Message-ID: <18n5v2f2c9cln5twjculvjt5.1354018117482@email.android.com>

Thanks for the invite Evan but I won'tEvan Greer <evangreer at gmail.com> wrote:Hello everyone, 

My name is Evan Greer and I am just joining this list. I am the new campaign manager at Fight for the Future and heavily  involved in our ITU campaign. We have been sort of lurking on this BestBits list, wondering what others are planning for December 3rd We're hoping to work with others around the world to mobilize a big day of action for that date using an online phone call / email tool and an interactive map that encourages people to organize meetings outside their country's ITU representative's office. 

We want to be involved on December 3rd! Is there some nexus of activity that we should be connected to?

We want to invite all of you who are interested to participate in an international conference call this Wed, November 28th, at 12pm EST. The purpose of this call is to bring together groups from around the world who are working on ITU activism to coordinate a final push in the week leading up to WCIT. We want to know what everyone else is doing and how we can all work together to keep the pressure on as the ITU goes to  vote.

Please RSVP to me if you can participate in the conference call on Wednesday.  So far we know we will have representatives from Mozilla, the AFL-CIO (who are working with their international partners on this), Center for Democracy and Technology, and we have invited many other groups from around the world.

Here is the call info:

Wed, Nov 28th, 12pm EST:
U.S. Conference Dial-In number: +1 209-255-1000 
Participant AccessCode: 394195#
To call in internationally, call from the numbers for each country here: http://d.pr/i/5O9m

Thanks for all the work everyone is doing,
-Evan Greer with Fight for the Future

-- 
Evan Greer
Campaign Manager
Fight for the Future
Cell: 978-852-6457
Skype: evanfromriotfolk
http://www.fightforthefuture.org 

What is the ITU? What does it mean for the future of the internet?
Find out at http://www.whatistheITU.org

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From genekimmelman at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 07:16:58 2012
From: genekimmelman at gmail.com (Gene Kimmelman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:16:58 -0200
Subject: [bestbits] Int'l Call to Coordinate Actions around the ITU
Message-ID: <vnc4qfwky3jfrgdp5lbasqga.1354018184034@email.android.com>

Thanks fir the invite Evan but I won't be able to make the call. I'm sure others will cover this but I just wanted to offer my perspective. Any events and actions that raise awareness of what is at stake could be most helpful at the outset of WCIT. After the first few days we'll have a good feel for the real direction of the treaty document. So before that point,  I strongly urge against targeting countries as "bad guys" or the ITU as a negative institution. Such characterization runs an unnecessary risk of alienating potential allies.Evan Greer <evangreer at gmail.com> wrote:Hello everyone, 

My name is Evan Greer and I am just joining this list. I am the new campaign manager at Fight for the Future and heavily  involved in our ITU campaign. We have been sort of lurking on this BestBits list, wondering what others are planning for December 3rd We're hoping to work with others around the world to mobilize a big day of action for that date using an online phone call / email tool and an interactive map that encourages people to organize meetings outside their country's ITU representative's office. 

We want to be involved on December 3rd! Is there some nexus of activity that we should be connected to?

We want to invite all of you who are interested to participate in an international conference call this Wed, November 28th, at 12pm EST. The purpose of this call is to bring together groups from around the world who are working on ITU activism to coordinate a final push in the week leading up to WCIT. We want to know what everyone else is doing and how we can all work together to keep the pressure on as the ITU goes to  vote.

Please RSVP to me if you can participate in the conference call on Wednesday.  So far we know we will have representatives from Mozilla, the AFL-CIO (who are working with their international partners on this), Center for Democracy and Technology, and we have invited many other groups from around the world.

Here is the call info:

Wed, Nov 28th, 12pm EST:
U.S. Conference Dial-In number: +1 209-255-1000 
Participant AccessCode: 394195#
To call in internationally, call from the numbers for each country here: http://d.pr/i/5O9m

Thanks for all the work everyone is doing,
-Evan Greer with Fight for the Future

-- 
Evan Greer
Campaign Manager
Fight for the Future
Cell: 978-852-6457
Skype: evanfromriotfolk
http://www.fightforthefuture.org 

What is the ITU? What does it mean for the future of the internet?
Find out at http://www.whatistheITU.org

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From evangreer at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 10:10:00 2012
From: evangreer at gmail.com (Evan Greer)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:10:00 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] Int'l Call to Coordinate Actions around the ITU
In-Reply-To: <vnc4qfwky3jfrgdp5lbasqga.1354018184034@email.android.com>
References: <vnc4qfwky3jfrgdp5lbasqga.1354018184034@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAHDHqy8r923R7NPvmHTETBJp4jjfocA=Uv3RfsU+kpbpVavdsA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Gene, and Paul,

The international conference call this Wednesday 29th of Nov will be at
17:00 UTC. Apologies for not converting the time before.

This google-doc has all the call information and will be easier to find
your country's call in number than the link I sent out previously.

https://docs.google.com/document<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tJGd1XdbnRg3sTwioBxgwZohOz26uLztm3sAA83LnQc/edit>
/d/1tJGd1XdbnRg3sTwioBxgwZohOz26uLztm3sAA83LnQc/edit<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tJGd1XdbnRg3sTwioBxgwZohOz26uLztm3sAA83LnQc/edit>

If you plan to join the call, feel free to add your organization to the
list of confirmed participants on the second page after the phone numbers,
and/or RSVP to me at evangreer at gmail.com

Best wishes to all, and thanks to everyone for their important work on this
issue.

-Evan Greer
Campaign Manager
Fight for the Future
http://www.fightforthefuture.org
+1 978-852-6457

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Gene Kimmelman <genekimmelman at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks fir the invite Evan but I won't be able to make the call. I'm sure
> others will cover this but I just wanted to offer my perspective. Any
> events and actions that raise awareness of what is at stake could be most
> helpful at the outset of WCIT. After the first few days we'll have a good
> feel for the real direction of the treaty document. So before that point,
>  I strongly urge against targeting countries as "bad guys" or the ITU as a
> negative institution. Such characterization runs an unnecessary risk of
> alienating potential allies.
>
> Evan Greer <evangreer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> My name is Evan Greer and I am just joining this list. I am the new
> campaign manager at Fight for the Future and heavily involved in our ITU
> campaign. We have been sort of lurking on this BestBits list, wondering
> what others are planning for December 3rd We're hoping to work with others
> around the world to mobilize a big day of action for that date using an
> online phone call / email tool and an interactive map that encourages
> people to organize meetings outside their country's ITU representative's
> office.
>
> We want to be involved on December 3rd! Is there some nexus of activity
> that we should be connected to?
>
> We want to invite all of you who are interested to participate in an
> international conference call this Wed, November 28th, at 12pm EST. The
> purpose of this call is to bring together groups from around the world who
> are working on ITU activism to coordinate a final push in the week leading
> up to WCIT. We want to know what everyone else is doing and how we can all
> work together to keep the pressure on as the ITU goes to vote.
>
> Please RSVP to me if you can participate in the conference call on
> Wednesday.  So far we know we will have representatives from Mozilla, the
> AFL-CIO (who are working with their international partners on this), Center
> for Democracy and Technology, and we have invited many other groups from
> around the world.
>
> *Here is the call info:
>
> Wed, Nov 28th, 12pm EST:*
> U.S. Conference Dial-In number: +1 209-255-1000
> Participant AccessCode: 394195#
> To call in internationally, call from the numbers for each country here:
> http://d.pr/i/5O9m
>
> Thanks for all the work everyone is doing,
> -Evan Greer with Fight for the Future
>
> --
> *Evan Greer*
> Campaign Manager
> Fight for the Future
> Cell: 978-852-6457
> Skype: evanfromriotfolk
> http://www.fightforthefuture.org <http://www.whatistheITU.org>
>
> What is the ITU? What does it mean for the future of the internet?
> Find out at http://www.whatistheITU.o <http://www.whatistheITU.org>rg
>
>


-- 
*Evan Greer*
Campaign Manager
Fight for the Future
Cell: 978-852-6457
Skype: evanfromriotfolk
http://www.fightforthefuture.org <http://www.whatistheITU.org>

What is the ITU? What does it mean for the future of the internet?
Find out at http://www.whatistheITU.o <http://www.whatistheITU.org>rg
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From evangreer at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 10:21:43 2012
From: evangreer at gmail.com (Evan Greer)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:21:43 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] Int'l Call to Coordinate Actions around the ITU
In-Reply-To: <vnc4qfwky3jfrgdp5lbasqga.1354018184034@email.android.com>
References: <vnc4qfwky3jfrgdp5lbasqga.1354018184034@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAHDHqy-LwMA_fVdorE32CxWQYW3eZOEzNwEUeMU1w70GzCSwOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gene,
 Thanks for these thoughts. I think our goal is to spark events around the
country that raise awareness and make sure that all eyes (including the
media's) are on Dubai when the ITU meets.

The goal is not to demonize or alienate but to make sure that every
country's delegates know that there is a groundswell of opinion on this
issue and that the world is paying attention.

We really respect all the work that everyone is doing and want to make sure
that mobilizations of grassroots internet users work in conjunction with
civil society to have the best possible outcome at WCIT.

Take care,
-Evan Greer
Fight for the Future

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Gene Kimmelman <genekimmelman at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks fir the invite Evan but I won't be able to make the call. I'm sure
> others will cover this but I just wanted to offer my perspective. Any
> events and actions that raise awareness of what is at stake could be most
> helpful at the outset of WCIT. After the first few days we'll have a good
> feel for the real direction of the treaty document. So before that point,
>  I strongly urge against targeting countries as "bad guys" or the ITU as a
> negative institution. Such characterization runs an unnecessary risk of
> alienating potential allies.
>
> Evan Greer <evangreer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> My name is Evan Greer and I am just joining this list. I am the new
> campaign manager at Fight for the Future and heavily involved in our ITU
> campaign. We have been sort of lurking on this BestBits list, wondering
> what others are planning for December 3rd We're hoping to work with others
> around the world to mobilize a big day of action for that date using an
> online phone call / email tool and an interactive map that encourages
> people to organize meetings outside their country's ITU representative's
> office.
>
> We want to be involved on December 3rd! Is there some nexus of activity
> that we should be connected to?
>
> We want to invite all of you who are interested to participate in an
> international conference call this Wed, November 28th, at 12pm EST. The
> purpose of this call is to bring together groups from around the world who
> are working on ITU activism to coordinate a final push in the week leading
> up to WCIT. We want to know what everyone else is doing and how we can all
> work together to keep the pressure on as the ITU goes to vote.
>
> Please RSVP to me if you can participate in the conference call on
> Wednesday.  So far we know we will have representatives from Mozilla, the
> AFL-CIO (who are working with their international partners on this), Center
> for Democracy and Technology, and we have invited many other groups from
> around the world.
>
> *Here is the call info:
>
> Wed, Nov 28th, 12pm EST:*
> U.S. Conference Dial-In number: +1 209-255-1000
> Participant AccessCode: 394195#
> To call in internationally, call from the numbers for each country here:
> http://d.pr/i/5O9m
>
> Thanks for all the work everyone is doing,
> -Evan Greer with Fight for the Future
>
> --
> *Evan Greer*
> Campaign Manager
> Fight for the Future
> Cell: 978-852-6457
> Skype: evanfromriotfolk
> http://www.fightforthefuture.org <http://www.whatistheITU.org>
>
> What is the ITU? What does it mean for the future of the internet?
> Find out at http://www.whatistheITU.o <http://www.whatistheITU.org>rg
>
>


-- 
*Evan Greer*
Campaign Manager
Fight for the Future
Cell: 978-852-6457
Skype: evanfromriotfolk
http://www.fightforthefuture.org <http://www.whatistheITU.org>

What is the ITU? What does it mean for the future of the internet?
Find out at http://www.whatistheITU.o <http://www.whatistheITU.org>rg
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From ellery at cdt.org  Tue Nov 27 18:12:30 2012
From: ellery at cdt.org (Ellery Biddle)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:12:30 -0800
Subject: [bestbits] This Thursday -- Promoting Openness at WCIT
Message-ID: <A12516BE-3CB4-4915-8532-262482028ED3@cdt.org>

Hi everyone,

Hard to believe the WCIT is only five days away! We understand that the Members will vote on Monday to determine whether or not to open certain sessions of the WCIT to public observation/participation. So this Thursday, November 29, CDT will be joining other CSOs in promoting a "Day of Action" on the WCIT -- our goal is to use email lists, blogs, and social media to urge delegates to vote in favor of making the WCIT as open as possible. 

Groups and individuals can go about this however they choose -- through open letters/blog posts, twitter, other social networks, or via offline methods. For those who are looking for a simple way to take action, Canada-based OpenMedia has created this tool to easily write a customized email to national delegates. On Twitter, CDTers plan to continue using the #WCIT and #ITU hashtags and to focus on simple messages like "#ITU delegates: vote to make #WCIT open to the public!"

If folks have other ideas about how to get the message out on Thursday, please share them! Hope this will have some impact.

Best wishes,

Ellery

Ellery Roberts Biddle
Center for Democracy and Technology
(415) 814-1711



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From Andrew at global-partners.co.uk  Sat Nov  3 14:46:42 2012
From: Andrew at global-partners.co.uk (Andrew Puddephatt)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:46:42 +0000
Subject: notes from today
Message-ID: <CCBB1711.1F92A%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>

Here's the summary produced by Pranesh of our discussion. We'll revisit this tomorrow – sectios in [] are under consideration

"[* There are many legitimate concerns that governments have, but ... ]

We are compelled to point out that the process of the revision of the ITRs have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent, in spite of the the ITU Secretariat's [efforts/claims/efforts and claims] of transparency]

## Process of WCIT

Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based, public consultations.  In order to address this deficiency, as a minimum, we would urge:

* All member states to make their proposals available to the public.
* The ITU Secretariat, to take as one step in increasing transparency of the WCIT will be to have a live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with disabilities.
* All member states to support proposals to open sessions of the the WCIT meeting to the public.
* The ITU Secretariat and member-states to make as much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website, so that civil society will provide substantive input on member-states' proposals as they are made available.
* Member-states [to encourage civil society participation and] increase the involvement of civil society in their national delegations.
* The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express their views as was done during the WSIS process.

====

## Scope of the ITR
* International regulation is required around technical issue limited to telecommunications networks and interoperability standards.
[* The International Telecommunications Regulations should in no way involve regulation of the Internet.]
[* The ITU should not adopt any regulations that would preclude any language that would limit 'net neutrality' principles.]
* If it could have a negative impact on evolution of multistakeholder Internet governance arrangements.
* If it could have a negative impact on the public's rights to privacy and freedom of expression and access.

====

* Scope of the ITR (lack of agreement)
* [Recognized operating agencies, and not other organizations and persons.]
* [The ITRs should be dedicated to the physical infrastructure layer and not the logical infrastructure and not processing of the signals and intelligence that travel over the physical infrastructure layer.]

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From ellery at cdt.org  Tue Nov 27 18:50:13 2012
From: ellery at cdt.org (Ellery Biddle)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:50:13 -0800
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
Message-ID: <8E4639A9-E51F-4FD2-909A-CA8725CFA77C@cdt.org>

Hi everyone,

We have been talking here at CDT about various strategies for communications and coordination during the WCIT. Lots to think about here. Two items on this:

First: Who is going to Dubai? We really want to develop a list of civil society people who will be in Dubai for the conference. We think it would be helpful for those attending WCIT to know what other CS people will be there, and to develop a rough plan for coordinating once they are in Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy director who has been working on ITU issues with CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not be affiliated with any delegation. If you or someone from your organization is going to be in Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd like to be in touch with other civil society folks there, please send Matthew an email letting him know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org

Second: How can we coordinate on public communication about the WCIT? We know that many CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to press inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. Given the relatively closed nature of the event, we know that it may be difficult to get the information we need in order to do this well, and that some coordination between groups may help fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and misinformation may become an issue, as different delegates may hear different things, etc. In anticipation of this, we want to propose a group call for next week. This will be open to any civil society groups planning to report on WCIT, either from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the size of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though early, which generally seems best) time and date for the call. Hope that plenty of folks can join -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those who can't make it.

The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. A list of international toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I will circulate this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.

As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the list with additional ideas, questions, etc.

Thanks all!

Ellery

Ellery Roberts Biddle
Center for Democracy and Technology
(415) 814-1711



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From william.drake at uzh.ch  Wed Nov 28 04:06:36 2012
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:06:36 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <8E4639A9-E51F-4FD2-909A-CA8725CFA77C@cdt.org>
References: <8E4639A9-E51F-4FD2-909A-CA8725CFA77C@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <0232E687-BA9E-4ABB-9A4E-833BC8774F68@uzh.ch>

Hi

Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU staff's refrain that the meeting's fully multistakeholder since people can simply join their national delegations, a cursory scan of the Announced List of Participants as of 27 November shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that seem obviously to be civil society—half on the US del, the others scattered.  Caveats apply: a) It may be that I just don't recognize some individual and organizational names so this guesstimate's a little low.  b) In the UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are separated, so that's how I count.  I see more TC than CS names on the list, and while most of the former work in the private sector or for administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some people who are by various standards in both.  c)  The list is being periodically updated, so there may be some late registrations.  All that said, the number seems unlikely to be terribly high.  There may be more CS just coming and hanging around in hopes of getting into any open to the public sessions (TBD Monday), or otherwise populating the hallways, than there are on the delegations.

It would be good to have a list with contact details and to establish a communication channel e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate.

Best,

Bill

PS: The call time below may not be optimal for people on dels if meetings run late (I'll be on a plane).




On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> We have been talking here at CDT about various strategies for communications and coordination during the WCIT. Lots to think about here. Two items on this:
> 
> First: Who is going to Dubai? We really want to develop a list of civil society people who will be in Dubai for the conference. We think it would be helpful for those attending WCIT to know what other CS people will be there, and to develop a rough plan for coordinating once they are in Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy director who has been working on ITU issues with CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not be affiliated with any delegation. If you or someone from your organization is going to be in Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd like to be in touch with other civil society folks there, please send Matthew an email letting him know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org
> 
> Second: How can we coordinate on public communication about the WCIT? We know that many CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to press inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. Given the relatively closed nature of the event, we know that it may be difficult to get the information we need in order to do this well, and that some coordination between groups may help fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and misinformation may become an issue, as different delegates may hear different things, etc. In anticipation of this, we want to propose a group call for next week. This will be open to any civil society groups planning to report on WCIT, either from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the size of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though early, which generally seems best) time and date for the call. Hope that plenty of folks can join -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those who can't make it.
> 
> The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. A list of international toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I will circulate this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.
> 
> As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the list with additional ideas, questions, etc.
> 
> Thanks all!
> 
> Ellery
> 
> Ellery Roberts Biddle
> Center for Democracy and Technology
> (415) 814-1711
> 
> 
> 

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From m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk  Wed Nov 28 07:37:13 2012
From: m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk (Marianne Franklin)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:37:13 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <8E4639A9-E51F-4FD2-909A-CA8725CFA77C@cdt.org>
References: <8E4639A9-E51F-4FD2-909A-CA8725CFA77C@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <50B60579.6070702@gold.ac.uk>

HI all

A list of participating people's Twitter feeds and relevant hash-tags 
for new and views around the WCIT would be great.

thx
MF

On 28/11/2012 00:50, Ellery Biddle wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> We have been talking here at CDT about various strategies for 
> communications and coordination during the WCIT. Lots to think about 
> here. Two items on this:
>
> First: Who is going to Dubai? We /really/ want to develop a list of 
> civil society people who will be in Dubai for the conference. We think 
> it would be helpful for those attending WCIT to know what other CS 
> people will be there, and to develop a rough plan for coordinating 
> once they are in Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy director 
> who has been working on ITU issues with CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's 
> behalf. He will not be affiliated with any delegation. *If you or 
> someone from your organization is going to be in Dubai (with or 
> without delegate status), and you'd like to be in touch with other 
> civil society folks there, please send Matthew an email letting him 
> know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>*
>
> Second: How can we coordinate on public communication about the WCIT? 
> We know that many CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to 
> press inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. Given the relatively 
> closed nature of the event, we know that it may be difficult to get 
> the information we need in order to do this well, and that some 
> coordination between groups may help fill this gap. We also anticipate 
> that rumors and misinformation may become an issue, as different 
> delegates may hear different things, etc. In anticipation of this, we 
> want to propose a group call for next week. This will be open to any 
> civil society groups planning to report on WCIT, either from Dubai or 
> from outside the UAE. Given the size of these lists, I am setting an 
> arbitrary (though early, which generally seems best) time and date for 
> the call. Hope that plenty of folks can join -- we'll take and 
> circulate good notes for those who can't make it.
>
> *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00 
> EST. *A list of international toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I 
> will circulate this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.
>
> As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the list with additional 
> ideas, questions, etc.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Ellery
>
> Ellery Roberts Biddle
> Center for Democracy and Technology <http://cdt.org>
> (415) 814-1711
>
>
>

-- 
Dr Marianne Franklin
Reader
Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
Goldsmiths, University of London
Dept. of Media & Communications
New Cross, London SE14 6NW
Tel: +44 20 7919 7072
<m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
@GloComm
https://twitter.com/GloComm
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From deborah at accessnow.org  Wed Nov 28 11:12:28 2012
From: deborah at accessnow.org (Deborah Brown)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:12:28 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <0232E687-BA9E-4ABB-9A4E-833BC8774F68@uzh.ch>
References: <8E4639A9-E51F-4FD2-909A-CA8725CFA77C@cdt.org>
	<0232E687-BA9E-4ABB-9A4E-833BC8774F68@uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <CALU7RQbs_hc2adk8cswtrh2AYiVQNSPF4ux0gX01QtUvrpXFKA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up on Bill's last
point, it might be helpful to include people's dates in Dubai in the list
to facilitate coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in
coordination as well.

Best,
Deborah

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU staff's refrain that the
> meeting's fully multistakeholder since people can simply join their
> national delegations, a cursory scan of the Announced List of Participants
> as of 27 November shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that seem
> obviously to be civil society—half on the US del, the others scattered.
>  Caveats apply: a) It may be that I just don't recognize some individual
> and organizational names so this guesstimate's a little low.  b) In the
> UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are
> separated, so that's how I count.  I see more TC than CS names on the list,
> and while most of the former work in the private sector or for
> administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some people who are by
> various standards in both.  c)  The list is being periodically updated, so
> there may be some late registrations.  All that said, the number seems
> unlikely to be terribly high.  There may be more CS just coming and hanging
> around in hopes of getting into any open to the public sessions (TBD
> Monday), or otherwise populating the hallways, than there are on the
> delegations.
>
> It would be good to have a list with contact details and to establish a
> communication channel e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will
> have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate.
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
> PS: The call time below may not be optimal for people on dels if meetings
> run late (I'll be on a plane).
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> We have been talking here at CDT about various strategies for
> communications and coordination during the WCIT. Lots to think about here.
> Two items on this:
>
> First: Who is going to Dubai? We *really* want to develop a list of civil
> society people who will be in Dubai for the conference. We think it would
> be helpful for those attending WCIT to know what other CS people will be
> there, and to develop a rough plan for coordinating once they are in
> Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy director who has been working
> on ITU issues with CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not be
> affiliated with any delegation. *If you or someone from your organization
> is going to be in Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd like
> to be in touch with other civil society folks there, please send Matthew an
> email letting him know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org*
>
> Second: How can we coordinate on public communication about the WCIT? We
> know that many CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to press
> inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. Given the relatively closed
> nature of the event, we know that it may be difficult to get the
> information we need in order to do this well, and that some coordination
> between groups may help fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and
> misinformation may become an issue, as different delegates may hear
> different things, etc. In anticipation of this, we want to propose a group
> call for next week. This will be open to any civil society groups planning
> to report on WCIT, either from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the
> size of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though early, which
> generally seems best) time and date for the call. Hope that plenty of folks
> can join -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those who can't make it.
>
> *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00
> EST. *A list of international toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I
> will circulate this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.
>
> As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the list with additional
> ideas, questions, etc.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Ellery
>
>  Ellery Roberts Biddle
> Center for Democracy and Technology <http://cdt.org/>
> (415) 814-1711
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Deborah Brown
Policy Analyst
Access | AccessNow.org
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S. deborah.l.brown
T. deblebrown
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From anriette at apc.org  Wed Nov 28 11:17:42 2012
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:17:42 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <CALU7RQbs_hc2adk8cswtrh2AYiVQNSPF4ux0gX01QtUvrpXFKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E4639A9-E51F-4FD2-909A-CA8725CFA77C@cdt.org> <0232E687-BA9E-4ABB-9A4E-833BC8774F68@uzh.ch> <CALU7RQbs_hc2adk8cswtrh2AYiVQNSPF4ux0gX01QtUvrpXFKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B63926.6050108@apc.org>

Hi all

Please let's make a list as proposed.  No one from APC will be there but
we are facilitating participation of around 5 CS people from Africa who
will be in official government delegations.

Will send details as soon as arrangements are final.

Would be good to get hotel suggestions.. we are battling to find
reasonable accommodation.

Anriette

On 28/11/2012 18:12, Deborah Brown wrote:
> Hi all,
> Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up on Bill's last
> point, it might be helpful to include people's dates in Dubai in the list
> to facilitate coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in
> coordination as well.
>
> Best,
> Deborah
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU staff's refrain that the
>> meeting's fully multistakeholder since people can simply join their
>> national delegations, a cursory scan of the Announced List of Participants
>> as of 27 November shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that seem
>> obviously to be civil society---half on the US del, the others scattered.
>>  Caveats apply: a) It may be that I just don't recognize some individual
>> and organizational names so this guesstimate's a little low.  b) In the
>> UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are
>> separated, so that's how I count.  I see more TC than CS names on the list,
>> and while most of the former work in the private sector or for
>> administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some people who are by
>> various standards in both.  c)  The list is being periodically updated, so
>> there may be some late registrations.  All that said, the number seems
>> unlikely to be terribly high.  There may be more CS just coming and hanging
>> around in hopes of getting into any open to the public sessions (TBD
>> Monday), or otherwise populating the hallways, than there are on the
>> delegations.
>>
>> It would be good to have a list with contact details and to establish a
>> communication channel e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will
>> have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> PS: The call time below may not be optimal for people on dels if meetings
>> run late (I'll be on a plane).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> We have been talking here at CDT about various strategies for
>> communications and coordination during the WCIT. Lots to think about here.
>> Two items on this:
>>
>> First: Who is going to Dubai? We *really* want to develop a list of civil
>> society people who will be in Dubai for the conference. We think it would
>> be helpful for those attending WCIT to know what other CS people will be
>> there, and to develop a rough plan for coordinating once they are in
>> Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy director who has been working
>> on ITU issues with CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not be
>> affiliated with any delegation. *If you or someone from your organization
>> is going to be in Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd like
>> to be in touch with other civil society folks there, please send Matthew an
>> email letting him know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org*
>>
>> Second: How can we coordinate on public communication about the WCIT? We
>> know that many CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to press
>> inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. Given the relatively closed
>> nature of the event, we know that it may be difficult to get the
>> information we need in order to do this well, and that some coordination
>> between groups may help fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and
>> misinformation may become an issue, as different delegates may hear
>> different things, etc. In anticipation of this, we want to propose a group
>> call for next week. This will be open to any civil society groups planning
>> to report on WCIT, either from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the
>> size of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though early, which
>> generally seems best) time and date for the call. Hope that plenty of folks
>> can join -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those who can't make it.
>>
>> *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00
>> EST. *A list of international toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I
>> will circulate this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.
>>
>> As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the list with additional
>> ideas, questions, etc.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Ellery
>>
>>  Ellery Roberts Biddle
>> Center for Democracy and Technology <http://cdt.org/>
>> (415) 814-1711
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

-- 
------------------------------------------------------
anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org
executive director, association for progressive communications
www.apc.org
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From william.drake at uzh.ch  Wed Nov 28 12:31:42 2012
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:31:42 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <CALU7RQbs_hc2adk8cswtrh2AYiVQNSPF4ux0gX01QtUvrpXFKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E4639A9-E51F-4FD2-909A-CA8725CFA77C@cdt.org> <0232E687-BA9E-4ABB-9A4E-833BC8774F68@uzh.ch> <CALU7RQbs_hc2adk8cswtrh2AYiVQNSPF4ux0gX01QtUvrpXFKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0846600A-254F-4C29-99F5-B78B4E24875C@uzh.ch>

Hi

FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished a long briefing on security, thought I'd pass along a few points of local interest while thinking it: 
expect to be constantly electronically surveilled, including in hotels
expect all electronic communications to be insecure, particularly wireless
keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel
USG has received no info on how the government might react to any on-site activism of an unapproved nature, and if relevant urges US citizens to let State or the consulate know they'll be in town.  
Make of these what you will….

Cheers,

Bill

On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote:

> Hi all, 
> Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up on Bill's last point, it might be helpful to include people's dates in Dubai in the list to facilitate coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in coordination as well. 
> 
> Best, 
> Deborah 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU staff's refrain that the meeting's fully multistakeholder since people can simply join their national delegations, a cursory scan of the Announced List of Participants as of 27 November shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that seem obviously to be civil society—half on the US del, the others scattered.  Caveats apply: a) It may be that I just don't recognize some individual and organizational names so this guesstimate's a little low.  b) In the UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are separated, so that's how I count.  I see more TC than CS names on the list, and while most of the former work in the private sector or for administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some people who are by various standards in both.  c)  The list is being periodically updated, so there may be some late registrations.  All that said, the number seems unlikely to be terribly high.  There may be more CS just coming and hanging around in hopes of getting into any open to the public sessions (TBD Monday), or otherwise populating the hallways, than there are on the delegations.
> 
> It would be good to have a list with contact details and to establish a communication channel e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bill
> 
> PS: The call time below may not be optimal for people on dels if meetings run late (I'll be on a plane).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> We have been talking here at CDT about various strategies for communications and coordination during the WCIT. Lots to think about here. Two items on this:
>> 
>> First: Who is going to Dubai? We really want to develop a list of civil society people who will be in Dubai for the conference. We think it would be helpful for those attending WCIT to know what other CS people will be there, and to develop a rough plan for coordinating once they are in Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy director who has been working on ITU issues with CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not be affiliated with any delegation. If you or someone from your organization is going to be in Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd like to be in touch with other civil society folks there, please send Matthew an email letting him know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org
>> 
>> Second: How can we coordinate on public communication about the WCIT? We know that many CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to press inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. Given the relatively closed nature of the event, we know that it may be difficult to get the information we need in order to do this well, and that some coordination between groups may help fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and misinformation may become an issue, as different delegates may hear different things, etc. In anticipation of this, we want to propose a group call for next week. This will be open to any civil society groups planning to report on WCIT, either from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the size of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though early, which generally seems best) time and date for the call. Hope that plenty of folks can join -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those who can't make it.
>> 
>> The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. A list of international toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I will circulate this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.
>> 
>> As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the list with additional ideas, questions, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks all!
>> 
>> Ellery
>> 
>> Ellery Roberts Biddle
>> Center for Democracy and Technology
>> (415) 814-1711
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Deborah Brown
> Policy Analyst
> Access | AccessNow.org
> E. deborah at accessnow.org
> S. deborah.l.brown
> T. deblebrown
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From tim at mozillafoundation.org  Wed Nov 28 14:19:06 2012
From: tim at mozillafoundation.org (Tim Hwang)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:19:06 -0800
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <0846600A-254F-4C29-99F5-B78B4E24875C@uzh.ch>
References: <8E4639A9-E51F-4FD2-909A-CA8725CFA77C@cdt.org>
	<0232E687-BA9E-4ABB-9A4E-833BC8774F68@uzh.ch>
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To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown up a quick Etherpad page
here that people can fill in with information, if it's helpful:
https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai

Password is: ITU.

-Tim

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:

> Hi
>
> FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished a long briefing
> on security, thought I'd pass along a few points of local interest while
> thinking it:
>
>    - expect to be constantly electronically surveilled, including in
>    hotels
>    - expect all electronic communications to be insecure, particularly
>    wireless
>    - keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel
>    - USG has received no info on how the government might react to any
>    on-site activism of an unapproved nature, and if relevant urges US citizens
>    to let State or the consulate know they'll be in town.
>
> Make of these what you will….
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up on Bill's last
> point, it might be helpful to include people's dates in Dubai in the list
> to facilitate coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in
> coordination as well.
>
> Best,
> Deborah
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU staff's refrain that the
>> meeting's fully multistakeholder since people can simply join their
>> national delegations, a cursory scan of the Announced List of Participants
>> as of 27 November shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that seem
>> obviously to be civil society—half on the US del, the others scattered.
>>  Caveats apply: a) It may be that I just don't recognize some individual
>> and organizational names so this guesstimate's a little low.  b) In the
>> UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are
>> separated, so that's how I count.  I see more TC than CS names on the list,
>> and while most of the former work in the private sector or for
>> administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some people who are by
>> various standards in both.  c)  The list is being periodically updated, so
>> there may be some late registrations.  All that said, the number seems
>> unlikely to be terribly high.  There may be more CS just coming and hanging
>> around in hopes of getting into any open to the public sessions (TBD
>> Monday), or otherwise populating the hallways, than there are on the
>> delegations.
>>
>> It would be good to have a list with contact details and to establish a
>> communication channel e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will
>> have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> PS: The call time below may not be optimal for people on dels if meetings
>> run late (I'll be on a plane).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> We have been talking here at CDT about various strategies for
>> communications and coordination during the WCIT. Lots to think about here.
>> Two items on this:
>>
>> First: Who is going to Dubai? We *really* want to develop a list of
>> civil society people who will be in Dubai for the conference. We think it
>> would be helpful for those attending WCIT to know what other CS people will
>> be there, and to develop a rough plan for coordinating once they are in
>> Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy director who has been working
>> on ITU issues with CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not be
>> affiliated with any delegation. *If you or someone from your
>> organization is going to be in Dubai (with or without delegate status), and
>> you'd like to be in touch with other civil society folks there, please send
>> Matthew an email letting him know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org*
>>
>> Second: How can we coordinate on public communication about the WCIT? We
>> know that many CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to press
>> inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. Given the relatively closed
>> nature of the event, we know that it may be difficult to get the
>> information we need in order to do this well, and that some coordination
>> between groups may help fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and
>> misinformation may become an issue, as different delegates may hear
>> different things, etc. In anticipation of this, we want to propose a group
>> call for next week. This will be open to any civil society groups planning
>> to report on WCIT, either from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the
>> size of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though early, which
>> generally seems best) time and date for the call. Hope that plenty of folks
>> can join -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those who can't make it.
>>
>> *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00
>> EST. *A list of international toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I
>> will circulate this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.
>>
>> As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the list with additional
>> ideas, questions, etc.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Ellery
>>
>>  Ellery Roberts Biddle
>> Center for Democracy and Technology <http://cdt.org/>
>> (415) 814-1711
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Deborah Brown
> Policy Analyst
> Access | AccessNow.org
> E. deborah at accessnow.org
> S. deborah.l.brown
> T. deblebrown
> PGP 0x5EB4727D
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From rrangnath at publicknowledge.org  Wed Nov 28 14:39:33 2012
From: rrangnath at publicknowledge.org (Rashmi Rangnath)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:39:33 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <CAKVWVrUamdjOFQufD77BB_r8XjqG_W7U8cNzKJ7xGn6T304qTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E4639A9-E51F-4FD2-909A-CA8725CFA77C@cdt.org>
	<0232E687-BA9E-4ABB-9A4E-833BC8774F68@uzh.ch>
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	<0846600A-254F-4C29-99F5-B78B4E24875C@uzh.ch>
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Al:

I and my colleague Harold Feld will be on the US delegation.

I will be in Dubai from December 9th to the14th.

Harold will be there from December 4th to the 12th.

Rashmi

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org>wrote:

> To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown up a quick Etherpad
> page here that people can fill in with information, if it's helpful:
> https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai
>
> Password is: ITU.
>
> -Tim
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished a long briefing
>> on security, thought I'd pass along a few points of local interest while
>> thinking it:
>>
>>    - expect to be constantly electronically surveilled, including in
>>    hotels
>>    - expect all electronic communications to be insecure, particularly
>>    wireless
>>    - keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel
>>    - USG has received no info on how the government might react to any
>>    on-site activism of an unapproved nature, and if relevant urges US citizens
>>    to let State or the consulate know they'll be in town.
>>
>> Make of these what you will….
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up on Bill's last
>> point, it might be helpful to include people's dates in Dubai in the list
>> to facilitate coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in
>> coordination as well.
>>
>> Best,
>> Deborah
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU staff's refrain that
>>> the meeting's fully multistakeholder since people can simply join their
>>> national delegations, a cursory scan of the Announced List of Participants
>>> as of 27 November shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that seem
>>> obviously to be civil society—half on the US del, the others scattered.
>>>  Caveats apply: a) It may be that I just don't recognize some individual
>>> and organizational names so this guesstimate's a little low.  b) In the
>>> UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are
>>> separated, so that's how I count.  I see more TC than CS names on the list,
>>> and while most of the former work in the private sector or for
>>> administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some people who are by
>>> various standards in both.  c)  The list is being periodically updated, so
>>> there may be some late registrations.  All that said, the number seems
>>> unlikely to be terribly high.  There may be more CS just coming and hanging
>>> around in hopes of getting into any open to the public sessions (TBD
>>> Monday), or otherwise populating the hallways, than there are on the
>>> delegations.
>>>
>>> It would be good to have a list with contact details and to establish a
>>> communication channel e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will
>>> have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> PS: The call time below may not be optimal for people on dels if
>>> meetings run late (I'll be on a plane).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> We have been talking here at CDT about various strategies for
>>> communications and coordination during the WCIT. Lots to think about here.
>>> Two items on this:
>>>
>>> First: Who is going to Dubai? We *really* want to develop a list of
>>> civil society people who will be in Dubai for the conference. We think it
>>> would be helpful for those attending WCIT to know what other CS people will
>>> be there, and to develop a rough plan for coordinating once they are in
>>> Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy director who has been working
>>> on ITU issues with CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not be
>>> affiliated with any delegation. *If you or someone from your
>>> organization is going to be in Dubai (with or without delegate status), and
>>> you'd like to be in touch with other civil society folks there, please send
>>> Matthew an email letting him know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org*
>>>
>>> Second: How can we coordinate on public communication about the WCIT? We
>>> know that many CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to press
>>> inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. Given the relatively closed
>>> nature of the event, we know that it may be difficult to get the
>>> information we need in order to do this well, and that some coordination
>>> between groups may help fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and
>>> misinformation may become an issue, as different delegates may hear
>>> different things, etc. In anticipation of this, we want to propose a group
>>> call for next week. This will be open to any civil society groups planning
>>> to report on WCIT, either from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the
>>> size of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though early, which
>>> generally seems best) time and date for the call. Hope that plenty of folks
>>> can join -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those who can't make it.
>>>
>>> *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00
>>> EST. *A list of international toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I
>>> will circulate this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.
>>>
>>> As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the list with additional
>>> ideas, questions, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks all!
>>>
>>> Ellery
>>>
>>>  Ellery Roberts Biddle
>>> Center for Democracy and Technology <http://cdt.org/>
>>> (415) 814-1711
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Deborah Brown
>> Policy Analyst
>> Access | AccessNow.org
>> E. deborah at accessnow.org
>> S. deborah.l.brown
>> T. deblebrown
>> PGP 0x5EB4727D
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
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Director, Global Knowledge Initiative and Staff Attorney
Public Knowledge
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From Lea at global-partners.co.uk  Wed Nov 28 16:09:51 2012
From: Lea at global-partners.co.uk (Lea Kaspar)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:09:51 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <CAH2+7HsVJGGDaLpC2+M8w86v8MVmEBQhKb5G=wcRdjjubZiZPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCDC0DDC.2B7B%lea@global-partners.co.uk>

Dear Ellery et al,

For those of you I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet, I'm Lea Kaspar, working with Global Partners in London.

We are facilitating participation of several groups – I can post/send the info as soon as I have the final details. Should this be done to Matthew directly or are we using the etherpad? I will also be attending the conference as an unaffiliated rep from Dec 4 to 10.

Unfortunately, I'll be on a plane at the time of the call, but would like to be kept in the loop about what other folk are doing/planning. Are you planning to share the list here?

Someone asked about accommodation – I got a very affordable deal at the hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically adjacent to the conference venue.

Best,
Lea

From: Rashmi Rangnath <rrangnath at publicknowledge.org<mailto:rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>>
Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:39
To: Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org<mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>>
Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>, Deborah Brown <deborah at accessnow.org<mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>>, Ellery Biddle <ellery at cdt.org<mailto:ellery at cdt.org>>, "wcit12 at cdt.org<mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>" <wcit12 at cdt.org<mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>>, "bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>" <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>>, Harold Feld <hfeld at publicknowledge.org<mailto:hfeld at publicknowledge.org>>
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's reporting

Al:

I and my colleague Harold Feld will be on the US delegation.

I will be in Dubai from December 9th to the14th.

Harold will be there from December 4th to the 12th.

Rashmi

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org<mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>> wrote:
To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown up a quick Etherpad page here that people can fill in with information, if it's helpful: https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai

Password is: ITU.

-Tim


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:
Hi

FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished a long briefing on security, thought I'd pass along a few points of local interest while thinking it:

 *   expect to be constantly electronically surveilled, including in hotels
 *   expect all electronic communications to be insecure, particularly wireless
 *   keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel
 *   USG has received no info on how the government might react to any on-site activism of an unapproved nature, and if relevant urges US citizens to let State or the consulate know they'll be in town.

Make of these what you will….

Cheers,

Bill

On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote:

Hi all,
Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up on Bill's last point, it might be helpful to include people's dates in Dubai in the list to facilitate coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in coordination as well.

Best,
Deborah

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:
Hi

Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU staff's refrain that the meeting's fully multistakeholder since people can simply join their national delegations, a cursory scan of the Announced List of Participants as of 27 November shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that seem obviously to be civil society—half on the US del, the others scattered.  Caveats apply: a) It may be that I just don't recognize some individual and organizational names so this guesstimate's a little low.  b) In the UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are separated, so that's how I count.  I see more TC than CS names on the list, and while most of the former work in the private sector or for administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some people who are by various standards in both.  c)  The list is being periodically updated, so there may be some late registrations.  All that said, the number seems unlikely to be terribly high.  There may be more CS just coming and hanging around in hopes of getting into any open to the public sessions (TBD Monday), or otherwise populating the hallways, than there are on the delegations.

It would be good to have a list with contact details and to establish a communication channel e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate.

Best,

Bill

PS: The call time below may not be optimal for people on dels if meetings run late (I'll be on a plane).




On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:

Hi everyone,

We have been talking here at CDT about various strategies for communications and coordination during the WCIT. Lots to think about here. Two items on this:

First: Who is going to Dubai? We really want to develop a list of civil society people who will be in Dubai for the conference. We think it would be helpful for those attending WCIT to know what other CS people will be there, and to develop a rough plan for coordinating once they are in Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy director who has been working on ITU issues with CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not be affiliated with any delegation. If you or someone from your organization is going to be in Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd like to be in touch with other civil society folks there, please send Matthew an email letting him know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org<mailto:mshears at cdt.org>

Second: How can we coordinate on public communication about the WCIT? We know that many CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to press inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. Given the relatively closed nature of the event, we know that it may be difficult to get the information we need in order to do this well, and that some coordination between groups may help fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and misinformation may become an issue, as different delegates may hear different things, etc. In anticipation of this, we want to propose a group call for next week. This will be open to any civil society groups planning to report on WCIT, either from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the size of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though early, which generally seems best) time and date for the call. Hope that plenty of folks can join -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those who can't make it.

The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. A list of international toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I will circulate this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.

As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the list with additional ideas, questions, etc.

Thanks all!

Ellery

Ellery Roberts Biddle
Center for Democracy and Technology<http://cdt.org/>
(415) 814-1711<tel:%28415%29%20814-1711>







--
Deborah Brown
Policy Analyst
Access | AccessNow.org<http://AccessNow.org>
E. deborah at accessnow.org<mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>
S. deborah.l.brown
T. deblebrown
PGP 0x5EB4727D






--
Rashmi Rangnath
Director, Global Knowledge Initiative and Staff Attorney
Public Knowledge
1818 N Street NW
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From avri at acm.org  Wed Nov 28 21:36:46 2012
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 06:36:46 +0400
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <CCDC0DDC.2B7B%lea@global-partners.co.uk>
References: <CCDC0DDC.2B7B%lea@global-partners.co.uk>
Message-ID: <71EF0E95-1407-42B8-83F7-6E76001D763D@acm.org>


On 29 Nov 2012, at 01:09, Lea Kaspar wrote:

> Someone asked about accommodation – I got a very affordable deal at the hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically adjacent to the conference venue.
> 

it is as close as you can get.

avri

From avri at acm.org  Sun Nov  4 00:19:37 2012
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 08:19:37 +0400
Subject: notes from today
In-Reply-To: <CCBB1711.1F92A%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>
References: <CCBB1711.1F92A%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>
Message-ID: <025fee50-bd54-4473-b06f-efe12cbe74b8@email.android.com>

A coupe of questions, 

-  ITU differentiates between 'open' meetings, e.g. plenaries, and 'private' meetings, e.g. working group meetings which are we asking for.
- when we say regulation of the Internet, what do we mean, physical layers, Internet layers, upper layers?

I don't understand the two conditionals under scope (with agreement?)

Andrew Puddephatt <Andrew at global-partners.co.uk> wrote:

>Here's the summary produced by Pranesh of our discussion. We'll revisit
>this tomorrow – sectios in [] are under consideration
>
>"[* There are many legitimate concerns that governments have, but ... ]
>
>We are compelled to point out that the process of the revision of the
>ITRs have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent, in spite of
>the the ITU Secretariat's [efforts/claims/efforts and claims] of
>transparency]
>
>## Process of WCIT
>
>Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based, public
>consultations.  In order to address this deficiency, as a minimum, we
>would urge:
>
>* All member states to make their proposals available to the public.
>* The ITU Secretariat, to take as one step in increasing transparency
>of the WCIT will be to have a live webcast with the video, audio, and
>text transcripts, as far as possible, to enable participation by all,
>including persons with disabilities.
>* All member states to support proposals to open sessions of the the
>WCIT meeting to the public.
>* The ITU Secretariat and member-states to make as much documentation
>publicly available as possible on the ITU's website, so that civil
>society will provide substantive input on member-states' proposals as
>they are made available.
>* Member-states [to encourage civil society participation and] increase
>the involvement of civil society in their national delegations.
>* The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
>their views as was done during the WSIS process.
>
>====
>
>## Scope of the ITR
>* International regulation is required around technical issue limited
>to telecommunications networks and interoperability standards.
>[* The International Telecommunications Regulations should in no way
>involve regulation of the Internet.]
>[* The ITU should not adopt any regulations that would preclude any
>language that would limit 'net neutrality' principles.]
>* If it could have a negative impact on evolution of multistakeholder
>Internet governance arrangements.
>* If it could have a negative impact on the public's rights to privacy
>and freedom of expression and access.
>
>====
>
>* Scope of the ITR (lack of agreement)
>* [Recognized operating agencies, and not other organizations and
>persons.]
>* [The ITRs should be dedicated to the physical infrastructure layer
>and not the logical infrastructure and not processing of the signals
>and intelligence that travel over the physical infrastructure layer.]
>
>See you tomorrow at 9
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>Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
>Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
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From ellanso at cdt.org  Wed Nov 28 23:01:31 2012
From: ellanso at cdt.org (Emma Llanso)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:01:31 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <CCDC0DDC.2B7B%lea@global-partners.co.uk>
References: <CCDC0DDC.2B7B%lea@global-partners.co.uk>
Message-ID: <50B6DE1B.5010109@cdt.org>

Hi all,

I wanted to share two things CDT has put together for our own 
information security and coordination during WCIT, which I hope will be 
helpful to the larger group.  The first is the attached tipsheet on 
information and device security for people who will be on the ground in 
Dubai, which our senior staff technologist Joe Hall put together (with 
some very helpful contributions from NDI).  If anyone has other tips to 
share, please do! And let me know if you have any questions about the doc.

The second is this etherpad setup: 
https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/.  It's a central homepage 
that can host multiple private and publicly accessible pads/docs; 
accessing the above URL or any of the private pads requires an account, 
but anyone with the URL to a public pad (e.g. 
https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/1) should be able to read it. 
We thought this provided a good mix of opportunity for relatively secure 
communication plus potential to create public-facing docs as well.  If 
you'd like to access the private pads, please email me and 
ellery at cdt.org and we'd be happy to create an account for you.

I've begun keeping a list of civil society attendees (with contact info 
and hotel, where I know it) on a private pad at the above link, but I'm 
happy to combine with Tim's pad, if that's easier for folks.  And if you 
see your information listed but don't want it to be, please let me know!

Best,
Emma


On 11/28/2012 4:09 PM, Lea Kaspar wrote:
> Dear Ellery et al,
>
> For those of you I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet, I'm Lea 
> Kaspar, working with Global Partners in London.
>
> We are facilitating participation of several groups – I can post/send 
> the info as soon as I have the final details. Should this be done to 
> Matthew directly or are we using the etherpad? I will also be 
> attending the conference as an unaffiliated rep from Dec 4 to 10.
>
> Unfortunately, I'll be on a plane at the time of the call, but would 
> like to be kept in the loop about what other folk are doing/planning. 
> Are you planning to share the list here?
>
> Someone asked about accommodation – I got a very affordable deal at 
> the hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically adjacent to the 
> conference venue.
>
> Best,
> Lea
>
> From: Rashmi Rangnath <rrangnath at publicknowledge.org 
> <mailto:rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>>
> Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:39
> To: Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org 
> <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>>
> Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch 
> <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>, Deborah Brown <deborah at accessnow.org 
> <mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>>, Ellery Biddle <ellery at cdt.org 
> <mailto:ellery at cdt.org>>, "wcit12 at cdt.org <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>" 
> <wcit12 at cdt.org <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>>, "bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org 
> <mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>" <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org 
> <mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>>, Harold Feld 
> <hfeld at publicknowledge.org <mailto:hfeld at publicknowledge.org>>
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, 
> who's reporting
>
> Al:
>
> I and my colleague Harold Feld will be on the US delegation.
>
> I will be in Dubai from December 9th to the14th.
>
> Harold will be there from December 4th to the 12th.
>
> Rashmi
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org 
> <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>> wrote:
>
>     To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown up a quick
>     Etherpad page here that people can fill in with information, if
>     it's helpful: https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai
>
>     Password is: ITU.
>
>     -Tim
>
>
>     On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake
>     <william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:
>
>         Hi
>
>         FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished a
>         long briefing on security, thought I'd pass along a few points
>         of local interest while thinking it:
>
>           * expect to be constantly electronically surveilled,
>             including in hotels
>           * expect all electronic communications to be insecure,
>             particularly wireless
>           * keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel
>           * USG has received no info on how the government might react
>             to any on-site activism of an unapproved nature, and if
>             relevant urges US citizens to let State or the consulate
>             know they'll be in town.
>
>         Make of these what you will….
>
>         Cheers,
>
>         Bill
>
>         On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote:
>
>>         Hi all,
>>         Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up on
>>         Bill's last point, it might be helpful to include people's
>>         dates in Dubai in the list to facilitate coordination on the
>>         ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in coordination as well.
>>
>>         Best,
>>         Deborah
>>
>>         On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake
>>         <william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:
>>
>>             Hi
>>
>>             Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU staff's
>>             refrain that the meeting's fully multistakeholder since
>>             people can simply join their national delegations, a
>>             cursory scan of the Announced List of Participants as of
>>             27 November shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so
>>             that seem obviously to be civil society—half on the US
>>             del, the others scattered.  Caveats apply: a) It may be
>>             that I just don't recognize some individual and
>>             organizational names so this guesstimate's a little low.
>>              b) In the UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD etc) and OECD the
>>             technical community and CS are separated, so that's how I
>>             count.  I see more TC than CS names on the list, and
>>             while most of the former work in the private sector or
>>             for administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some
>>             people who are by various standards in both.  c)  The
>>             list is being periodically updated, so there may be some
>>             late registrations.  All that said, the number seems
>>             unlikely to be terribly high.  There may be more CS just
>>             coming and hanging around in hopes of getting into any
>>             open to the public sessions (TBD Monday), or otherwise
>>             populating the hallways, than there are on the delegations.
>>
>>             It would be good to have a list with contact details and
>>             to establish a communication channel e.g. Skype/mail
>>             (although delegation members will have some constraints)
>>             if Matthew wants to coordinate.
>>
>>             Best,
>>
>>             Bill
>>
>>             PS: The call time below may not be optimal for people on
>>             dels if meetings run late (I'll be on a plane).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:
>>
>>>             Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>             We have been talking here at CDT about various
>>>             strategies for communications and coordination during
>>>             the WCIT. Lots to think about here. Two items on this:
>>>
>>>             First: Who is going to Dubai? We /really/ want to
>>>             develop a list of civil society people who will be in
>>>             Dubai for the conference. We think it would be helpful
>>>             for those attending WCIT to know what other CS people
>>>             will be there, and to develop a rough plan for
>>>             coordinating once they are in Dubai. Matthew Shears,
>>>             ISOC's former policy director who has been working on
>>>             ITU issues with CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf.
>>>             He will not be affiliated with any delegation. *If you
>>>             or someone from your organization is going to be in
>>>             Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd like
>>>             to be in touch with other civil society folks there,
>>>             please send Matthew an email letting him know. Matthew's
>>>             email: mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>*
>>>
>>>             Second: How can we coordinate on public communication
>>>             about the WCIT? We know that many CSOs will be blogging,
>>>             tweeting, and responding to press inquiries about the
>>>             WCIT as it's happening. Given the relatively closed
>>>             nature of the event, we know that it may be difficult to
>>>             get the information we need in order to do this well,
>>>             and that some coordination between groups may help fill
>>>             this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and
>>>             misinformation may become an issue, as different
>>>             delegates may hear different things, etc. In
>>>             anticipation of this, we want to propose a group call
>>>             for next week. This will be open to any civil society
>>>             groups planning to report on WCIT, either from Dubai or
>>>             from outside the UAE. Given the size of these lists, I
>>>             am setting an arbitrary (though early, which generally
>>>             seems best) time and date for the call. Hope that plenty
>>>             of folks can join -- we'll take and circulate good notes
>>>             for those who can't make it.
>>>
>>>             *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at
>>>             16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. *A list of international
>>>             toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I will circulate
>>>             this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.
>>>
>>>             As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the list
>>>             with additional ideas, questions, etc.
>>>
>>>             Thanks all!
>>>
>>>             Ellery
>>>
>>>             Ellery Roberts Biddle
>>>             Center for Democracy and Technology <http://cdt.org/>
>>>             (415) 814-1711 <tel:%28415%29%20814-1711>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         -- 
>>         Deborah Brown
>>         Policy Analyst
>>         Access | AccessNow.org <http://AccessNow.org>
>>         E. deborah at accessnow.org <mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>
>>         S. deborah.l.brown
>>         T. deblebrown
>>         PGP 0x5EB4727D
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Rashmi Rangnath
> Director, Global Knowledge Initiative and Staff Attorney
> Public Knowledge
> 1818 N Street NW
> Suite 410
> Washington, D.C. 20036
> 202 861 0020
> rrangnath at publicknowledge.org <mailto:rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>

-- 
Emma J. Llansó
Policy Counsel
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I Street NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
202-407-8818 | @cendemtech <https://twitter.com/#%21/CenDemTech>
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From tim at mozillafoundation.org  Thu Nov 29 00:11:30 2012
From: tim at mozillafoundation.org (Tim Hwang)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:11:30 -0800
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <50B6DE1B.5010109@cdt.org>
References: <CCDC0DDC.2B7B%lea@global-partners.co.uk>
	<50B6DE1B.5010109@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <CAKVWVrU_3n9KqPcx2Ad_mNAqRtYYdNQKYe77huG4wWNdrP3KNg@mail.gmail.com>

Ack! My mistake - didn't realize there would be the other etherpad setup,
please disregard the one I sent out earlier today (i.e.
https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai).

Thanks,
Tim

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Emma Llanso <ellanso at cdt.org> wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
> I wanted to share two things CDT has put together for our own information
> security and coordination during WCIT, which I hope will be helpful to the
> larger group.  The first is the attached tipsheet on information and device
> security for people who will be on the ground in Dubai, which our senior
> staff technologist Joe Hall put together (with some very helpful
> contributions from NDI).  If anyone has other tips to share, please do! And
> let me know if you have any questions about the doc.
>
> The second is this etherpad setup:
> https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/.  It's a central homepage that
> can host multiple private and publicly accessible pads/docs; accessing the
> above URL or any of the private pads requires an account, but anyone with
> the URL to a public pad (e.g. https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/1)
> should be able to read it. We thought this provided a good mix of
> opportunity for relatively secure communication plus potential to create
> public-facing docs as well.  If you'd like to access the private pads,
> please email me and ellery at cdt.org and we'd be happy to create an account
> for you.
>
> I've begun keeping a list of civil society attendees (with contact info
> and hotel, where I know it) on a private pad at the above link, but I'm
> happy to combine with Tim's pad, if that's easier for folks.  And if you
> see your information listed but don't want it to be, please let me know!
>
> Best,
> Emma
>
>
>
> On 11/28/2012 4:09 PM, Lea Kaspar wrote:
>
> Dear Ellery et al,
>
>  For those of you I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet, I'm Lea
> Kaspar, working with Global Partners in London.
>
>  We are facilitating participation of several groups – I can post/send
> the info as soon as I have the final details. Should this be done to
> Matthew directly or are we using the etherpad? I will also be attending the
> conference as an unaffiliated rep from Dec 4 to 10.
>
>  Unfortunately, I'll be on a plane at the time of the call, but would
> like to be kept in the loop about what other folk are doing/planning. Are
> you planning to share the list here?
>
>  Someone asked about accommodation – I got a very affordable deal at the
> hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically adjacent to the conference
> venue.
>
>  Best,
> Lea
>
>  From: Rashmi Rangnath <rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>
> Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:39
> To: Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org>
> Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>, Deborah Brown <
> deborah at accessnow.org>, Ellery Biddle <ellery at cdt.org>, "wcit12 at cdt.org" <
> wcit12 at cdt.org>, "bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org" <
> bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>, Harold Feld <hfeld at publicknowledge.org>
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending,
> who's reporting
>
>   Al:
>
>  I and my colleague Harold Feld will be on the US delegation.
>
>  I will be in Dubai from December 9th to the14th.
>
>  Harold will be there from December 4th to the 12th.
>
>  Rashmi
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org>wrote:
>
>> To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown up a quick Etherpad
>> page here that people can fill in with information, if it's helpful:
>> https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai
>>
>>  Password is: ITU.
>>
>>  -Tim
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>  FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished a long
>>> briefing on security, thought I'd pass along a few points of local
>>> interest while thinking it:
>>>
>>>    - expect to be constantly electronically surveilled, including in
>>>    hotels
>>>    - expect all electronic communications to be insecure, particularly
>>>    wireless
>>>    - keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel
>>>    - USG has received no info on how the government might react to any
>>>    on-site activism of an unapproved nature, and if relevant urges US citizens
>>>    to let State or the consulate know they'll be in town.
>>>
>>>  Make of these what you will….
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>>  Bill
>>>
>>>  On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up on Bill's last
>>> point, it might be helpful to include people's dates in Dubai in the list
>>> to facilitate coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in
>>> coordination as well.
>>>
>>>  Best,
>>> Deborah
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>>  Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU staff's refrain that
>>>> the meeting's fully multistakeholder since people can simply join their
>>>> national delegations, a cursory scan of the Announced List of Participants
>>>> as of 27 November shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that seem
>>>> obviously to be civil society—half on the US del, the others scattered.
>>>>  Caveats apply: a) It may be that I just don't recognize some individual
>>>> and organizational names so this guesstimate's a little low.  b) In the
>>>> UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are
>>>> separated, so that's how I count.  I see more TC than CS names on the list,
>>>> and while most of the former work in the private sector or for
>>>> administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some people who are by
>>>> various standards in both.  c)  The list is being periodically updated, so
>>>> there may be some late registrations.  All that said, the number seems
>>>> unlikely to be terribly high.  There may be more CS just coming and hanging
>>>> around in hopes of getting into any open to the public sessions (TBD
>>>> Monday), or otherwise populating the hallways, than there are on the
>>>> delegations.
>>>>
>>>>  It would be good to have a list with contact details and to establish
>>>> a communication channel e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will
>>>> have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate.
>>>>
>>>>  Best,
>>>>
>>>>  Bill
>>>>
>>>>  PS: The call time below may not be optimal for people on dels if
>>>> meetings run late (I'll be on a plane).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>>  We have been talking here at CDT about various strategies for
>>>> communications and coordination during the WCIT. Lots to think about here.
>>>> Two items on this:
>>>>
>>>>  First: Who is going to Dubai? We *really* want to develop a list of
>>>> civil society people who will be in Dubai for the conference. We think it
>>>> would be helpful for those attending WCIT to know what other CS people will
>>>> be there, and to develop a rough plan for coordinating once they are in
>>>> Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy director who has been working
>>>> on ITU issues with CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not be
>>>> affiliated with any delegation. *If you or someone from your
>>>> organization is going to be in Dubai (with or without delegate status), and
>>>> you'd like to be in touch with other civil society folks there, please send
>>>> Matthew an email letting him know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org*
>>>>
>>>>  Second: How can we coordinate on public communication about the WCIT?
>>>> We know that many CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to press
>>>> inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. Given the relatively closed
>>>> nature of the event, we know that it may be difficult to get the
>>>> information we need in order to do this well, and that some coordination
>>>> between groups may help fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and
>>>> misinformation may become an issue, as different delegates may hear
>>>> different things, etc. In anticipation of this, we want to propose a group
>>>> call for next week. This will be open to any civil society groups planning
>>>> to report on WCIT, either from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the
>>>> size of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though early, which
>>>> generally seems best) time and date for the call. Hope that plenty of folks
>>>> can join -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those who can't make it.
>>>>
>>>>  *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00
>>>> EST. *A list of international toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I
>>>> will circulate this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.
>>>>
>>>>  As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the list with
>>>> additional ideas, questions, etc.
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks all!
>>>>
>>>>  Ellery
>>>>
>>>>  Ellery Roberts Biddle
>>>> Center for Democracy and Technology <http://cdt.org/>
>>>> (415) 814-1711 <%28415%29%20814-1711>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>> Deborah Brown
>>> Policy Analyst
>>> Access | AccessNow.org
>>> E. deborah at accessnow.org
>>> S. deborah.l.brown
>>> T. deblebrown
>>> PGP 0x5EB4727D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>  --
> Rashmi Rangnath
> Director, Global Knowledge Initiative and Staff Attorney
> Public Knowledge
> 1818 N Street NW
> Suite 410
> Washington, D.C. 20036
> 202 861 0020
> rrangnath at publicknowledge.org
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> --
> Emma J. Llansó
> Policy Counsel
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> 1634 I Street NW, Suite 1100
> Washington, DC 20006
> 202-407-8818 | @cendemtech <https://twitter.com/#%21/CenDemTech>
>



-- 
Tim Hwang
Twitter: @timhwang
Phone: 973-960-4955

ROFLCon -- roflcon.org
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu Nov 29 00:24:56 2012
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:54:56 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
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References: <CCDC0DDC.2B7B%lea@global-partners.co.uk> <50B6DE1B.5010109@cdt.org> <CAKVWVrU_3n9KqPcx2Ad_mNAqRtYYdNQKYe77huG4wWNdrP3KNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50B6F1A8.5030008@itforchange.net>


Hi All

Without distracting all of you from the important task of on the ground 
coordination at the WCIT, I will like to draw your attention to the oped 
that I did on WCIT in the larger content of global IG in the top India 
daily 'The Hindu'. It kind of gives a balancing view to what I think it 
often a one-sided campaign with a relatively narrow vision and purpose.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/civil-society-seeks-serious-relook-at-law/article4145033.ece

parminder


On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:41 AM, Tim Hwang wrote:
> Ack! My mistake - didn't realize there would be the other etherpad 
> setup, please disregard the one I sent out earlier today (i.e. 
> https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai).
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Emma Llanso <ellanso at cdt.org 
> <mailto:ellanso at cdt.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     I wanted to share two things CDT has put together for our own
>     information security and coordination during WCIT, which I hope
>     will be helpful to the larger group.  The first is the attached
>     tipsheet on information and device security for people who will be
>     on the ground in Dubai, which our senior staff technologist Joe
>     Hall put together (with some very helpful contributions from
>     NDI).  If anyone has other tips to share, please do! And let me
>     know if you have any questions about the doc.
>
>     The second is this etherpad setup:
>     https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/. It's a central
>     homepage that can host multiple private and publicly accessible
>     pads/docs; accessing the above URL or any of the private pads
>     requires an account, but anyone with the URL to a public pad (e.g.
>     https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/1) should be able to
>     read it. We thought this provided a good mix of opportunity for
>     relatively secure communication plus potential to create
>     public-facing docs as well.  If you'd like to access the private
>     pads, please email me and ellery at cdt.org <mailto:ellery at cdt.org>
>     and we'd be happy to create an account for you.
>
>     I've begun keeping a list of civil society attendees (with contact
>     info and hotel, where I know it) on a private pad at the above
>     link, but I'm happy to combine with Tim's pad, if that's easier
>     for folks.  And if you see your information listed but don't want
>     it to be, please let me know!
>
>     Best,
>     Emma
>
>
>
>     On 11/28/2012 4:09 PM, Lea Kaspar wrote:
>>     Dear Ellery et al,
>>
>>     For those of you I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet, I'm
>>     Lea Kaspar, working with Global Partners in London.
>>
>>     We are facilitating participation of several groups – I can
>>     post/send the info as soon as I have the final details. Should
>>     this be done to Matthew directly or are we using the etherpad? I
>>     will also be attending the conference as an unaffiliated rep from
>>     Dec 4 to 10.
>>
>>     Unfortunately, I'll be on a plane at the time of the call, but
>>     would like to be kept in the loop about what other folk are
>>     doing/planning. Are you planning to share the list here?
>>
>>     Someone asked about accommodation – I got a very affordable deal
>>     at the hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically adjacent to
>>     the conference venue.
>>
>>     Best,
>>     Lea
>>
>>     From: Rashmi Rangnath <rrangnath at publicknowledge.org
>>     <mailto:rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>>
>>     Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:39
>>     To: Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org
>>     <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>>
>>     Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch
>>     <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>, Deborah Brown
>>     <deborah at accessnow.org <mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>>, Ellery
>>     Biddle <ellery at cdt.org <mailto:ellery at cdt.org>>, "wcit12 at cdt.org
>>     <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>" <wcit12 at cdt.org
>>     <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>>, "bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org
>>     <mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>"
>>     <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org
>>     <mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>>, Harold Feld
>>     <hfeld at publicknowledge.org <mailto:hfeld at publicknowledge.org>>
>>     Subject: Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's
>>     attending, who's reporting
>>
>>     Al:
>>
>>     I and my colleague Harold Feld will be on the US delegation.
>>
>>     I will be in Dubai from December 9th to the14th.
>>
>>     Harold will be there from December 4th to the 12th.
>>
>>     Rashmi
>>
>>     On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tim Hwang
>>     <tim at mozillafoundation.org <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown up a quick
>>         Etherpad page here that people can fill in with information,
>>         if it's helpful:
>>         https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai
>>
>>         Password is: ITU.
>>
>>         -Tim
>>
>>
>>         On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake
>>         <william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:
>>
>>             Hi
>>
>>             FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished
>>             a long briefing on security, thought I'd pass along a
>>             few points of local interest while thinking it:
>>
>>               * expect to be constantly electronically surveilled,
>>                 including in hotels
>>               * expect all electronic communications to be insecure,
>>                 particularly wireless
>>               * keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel
>>               * USG has received no info on how the government might
>>                 react to any on-site activism of an unapproved
>>                 nature, and if relevant urges US citizens to let
>>                 State or the consulate know they'll be in town.
>>
>>             Make of these what you will….
>>
>>             Cheers,
>>
>>             Bill
>>
>>             On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote:
>>
>>>             Hi all,
>>>             Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up
>>>             on Bill's last point, it might be helpful to include
>>>             people's dates in Dubai in the list to facilitate
>>>             coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in
>>>             coordination as well.
>>>
>>>             Best,
>>>             Deborah
>>>
>>>             On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake
>>>             <william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Hi
>>>
>>>                 Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU
>>>                 staff's refrain that the meeting's fully
>>>                 multistakeholder since people can simply join their
>>>                 national delegations, a cursory scan of the
>>>                 Announced List of Participants as of 27 November
>>>                 shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that
>>>                 seem obviously to be civil society—half on the US
>>>                 del, the others scattered.  Caveats apply: a) It may
>>>                 be that I just don't recognize some individual and
>>>                 organizational names so this guesstimate's a little
>>>                 low.  b) In the UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD etc) and
>>>                 OECD the technical community and CS are separated,
>>>                 so that's how I count.  I see more TC than CS names
>>>                 on the list, and while most of the former work in
>>>                 the private sector or for administrative bodies like
>>>                 the RIRs, there are some people who are by various
>>>                 standards in both.  c)  The list is being
>>>                 periodically updated, so there may be some late
>>>                 registrations.  All that said, the number seems
>>>                 unlikely to be terribly high.  There may be more CS
>>>                 just coming and hanging around in hopes of getting
>>>                 into any open to the public sessions (TBD Monday),
>>>                 or otherwise populating the hallways, than there are
>>>                 on the delegations.
>>>
>>>                 It would be good to have a list with contact details
>>>                 and to establish a communication channel e.g.
>>>                 Skype/mail (although delegation members will have
>>>                 some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate.
>>>
>>>                 Best,
>>>
>>>                 Bill
>>>
>>>                 PS: The call time below may not be optimal for
>>>                 people on dels if meetings run late (I'll be on a
>>>                 plane).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:
>>>
>>>>                 Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>>                 We have been talking here at CDT about various
>>>>                 strategies for communications and coordination
>>>>                 during the WCIT. Lots to think about here. Two
>>>>                 items on this:
>>>>
>>>>                 First: Who is going to Dubai? We /really/ want to
>>>>                 develop a list of civil society people who will be
>>>>                 in Dubai for the conference. We think it would be
>>>>                 helpful for those attending WCIT to know what other
>>>>                 CS people will be there, and to develop a rough
>>>>                 plan for coordinating once they are in
>>>>                 Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy
>>>>                 director who has been working on ITU issues with
>>>>                 CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not
>>>>                 be affiliated with any delegation. *If you or
>>>>                 someone from your organization is going to be in
>>>>                 Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd
>>>>                 like to be in touch with other civil society folks
>>>>                 there, please send Matthew an email letting him
>>>>                 know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org
>>>>                 <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>*
>>>>
>>>>                 Second: How can we coordinate on public
>>>>                 communication about the WCIT? We know that many
>>>>                 CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to
>>>>                 press inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening.
>>>>                 Given the relatively closed nature of the event, we
>>>>                 know that it may be difficult to get the
>>>>                 information we need in order to do this well, and
>>>>                 that some coordination between groups may help fill
>>>>                 this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and
>>>>                 misinformation may become an issue, as different
>>>>                 delegates may hear different things, etc. In
>>>>                 anticipation of this, we want to propose a group
>>>>                 call for next week. This will be open to any civil
>>>>                 society groups planning to report on WCIT, either
>>>>                 from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the size
>>>>                 of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though
>>>>                 early, which generally seems best) time and date
>>>>                 for the call. Hope that plenty of folks can join --
>>>>                 we'll take and circulate good notes for those who
>>>>                 can't make it.
>>>>
>>>>                 *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 at
>>>>                 16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. *A list of international
>>>>                 toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I will
>>>>                 circulate this again, along with a reminder, on Monday.
>>>>
>>>>                 As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the
>>>>                 list with additional ideas, questions, etc.
>>>>
>>>>                 Thanks all!
>>>>
>>>>                 Ellery
>>>>
>>>>                 Ellery Roberts Biddle
>>>>                 Center for Democracy and Technology <http://cdt.org/>
>>>>                 (415) 814-1711 <tel:%28415%29%20814-1711>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             -- 
>>>             Deborah Brown
>>>             Policy Analyst
>>>             Access | AccessNow.org <http://AccessNow.org>
>>>             E. deborah at accessnow.org <mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>
>>>             S. deborah.l.brown
>>>             T. deblebrown
>>>             PGP 0x5EB4727D
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Rashmi Rangnath
>>     Director, Global Knowledge Initiative and Staff Attorney
>>     Public Knowledge
>>     1818 N Street NW
>>     Suite 410
>>     Washington, D.C. 20036
>>     202 861 0020 <tel:202%20861%200020>
>>     rrangnath at publicknowledge.org <mailto:rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>
>>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>
>     -- 
>     Emma J. Llansó
>     Policy Counsel
>     Center for Democracy & Technology
>     1634 I Street NW, Suite 1100
>     Washington, DC 20006
>     202-407-8818 <tel:202-407-8818> | @cendemtech
>     <https://twitter.com/#%21/CenDemTech>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Tim Hwang
> Twitter: @timhwang
> Phone: 973-960-4955
>
> ROFLCon -- roflcon.org <http://roflcon.org>

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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu Nov 29 00:32:16 2012
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:02:16 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <50B6F1A8.5030008@itforchange.net>
References: <CCDC0DDC.2B7B%lea@global-partners.co.uk> <50B6DE1B.5010109@cdt.org> <CAKVWVrU_3n9KqPcx2Ad_mNAqRtYYdNQKYe77huG4wWNdrP3KNg@mail.gmail.com> <50B6F1A8.5030008@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <50B6F360.6010804@itforchange.net>

well sorry, that was not the oped I did but another news item on 
censorship in India

the oped is below

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/hyping-one-threat-to-hide-another/article4140922.ece 



On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:54 AM, parminder wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> Without distracting all of you from the important task of on the 
> ground coordination at the WCIT, I will like to draw your attention to 
> the oped that I did on WCIT in the larger content of global IG in the 
> top India daily 'The Hindu'. It kind of gives a balancing view to what 
> I think it often a one-sided campaign with a relatively narrow vision 
> and purpose.
>
> http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/civil-society-seeks-serious-relook-at-law/article4145033.ece
>
> parminder
>
>
> On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:41 AM, Tim Hwang wrote:
>> Ack! My mistake - didn't realize there would be the other etherpad 
>> setup, please disregard the one I sent out earlier today (i.e. 
>> https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Emma Llanso <ellanso at cdt.org 
>> <mailto:ellanso at cdt.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     I wanted to share two things CDT has put together for our own
>>     information security and coordination during WCIT, which I hope
>>     will be helpful to the larger group. The first is the attached
>>     tipsheet on information and device security for people who will
>>     be on the ground in Dubai, which our senior staff technologist
>>     Joe Hall put together (with some very helpful contributions from
>>     NDI).  If anyone has other tips to share, please do! And let me
>>     know if you have any questions about the doc.
>>
>>     The second is this etherpad setup:
>>     https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/. It's a central
>>     homepage that can host multiple private and publicly accessible
>>     pads/docs; accessing the above URL or any of the private pads
>>     requires an account, but anyone with the URL to a public pad
>>     (e.g. https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/1) should be able
>>     to read it. We thought this provided a good mix of opportunity
>>     for relatively secure communication plus potential to create
>>     public-facing docs as well.  If you'd like to access the private
>>     pads, please email me and ellery at cdt.org <mailto:ellery at cdt.org>
>>     and we'd be happy to create an account for you.
>>
>>     I've begun keeping a list of civil society attendees (with
>>     contact info and hotel, where I know it) on a private pad at the
>>     above link, but I'm happy to combine with Tim's pad, if that's
>>     easier for folks.  And if you see your information listed but
>>     don't want it to be, please let me know!
>>
>>     Best,
>>     Emma
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 11/28/2012 4:09 PM, Lea Kaspar wrote:
>>>     Dear Ellery et al,
>>>
>>>     For those of you I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet, I'm
>>>     Lea Kaspar, working with Global Partners in London.
>>>
>>>     We are facilitating participation of several groups – I can
>>>     post/send the info as soon as I have the final details. Should
>>>     this be done to Matthew directly or are we using the etherpad? I
>>>     will also be attending the conference as an unaffiliated rep
>>>     from Dec 4 to 10.
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately, I'll be on a plane at the time of the call, but
>>>     would like to be kept in the loop about what other folk are
>>>     doing/planning. Are you planning to share the list here?
>>>
>>>     Someone asked about accommodation – I got a very affordable deal
>>>     at the hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically adjacent to
>>>     the conference venue.
>>>
>>>     Best,
>>>     Lea
>>>
>>>     From: Rashmi Rangnath <rrangnath at publicknowledge.org
>>>     <mailto:rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>>
>>>     Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:39
>>>     To: Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org
>>>     <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>>
>>>     Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch
>>>     <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>, Deborah Brown
>>>     <deborah at accessnow.org <mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>>, Ellery
>>>     Biddle <ellery at cdt.org <mailto:ellery at cdt.org>>, "wcit12 at cdt.org
>>>     <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>" <wcit12 at cdt.org
>>>     <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>>, "bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>     <mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>"
>>>     <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>     <mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>>, Harold Feld
>>>     <hfeld at publicknowledge.org <mailto:hfeld at publicknowledge.org>>
>>>     Subject: Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's
>>>     attending, who's reporting
>>>
>>>     Al:
>>>
>>>     I and my colleague Harold Feld will be on the US delegation.
>>>
>>>     I will be in Dubai from December 9th to the14th.
>>>
>>>     Harold will be there from December 4th to the 12th.
>>>
>>>     Rashmi
>>>
>>>     On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tim Hwang
>>>     <tim at mozillafoundation.org <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>>
>>>     wrote:
>>>
>>>         To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown up a
>>>         quick Etherpad page here that people can fill in with
>>>         information, if it's helpful:
>>>         https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai
>>>
>>>         Password is: ITU.
>>>
>>>         -Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake
>>>         <william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Hi
>>>
>>>             FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished
>>>             a long briefing on security, thought I'd pass along a
>>>             few points of local interest while thinking it:
>>>
>>>               * expect to be constantly electronically surveilled,
>>>                 including in hotels
>>>               * expect all electronic communications to be insecure,
>>>                 particularly wireless
>>>               * keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel
>>>               * USG has received no info on how the government might
>>>                 react to any on-site activism of an unapproved
>>>                 nature, and if relevant urges US citizens to let
>>>                 State or the consulate know they'll be in town.
>>>
>>>             Make of these what you will….
>>>
>>>             Cheers,
>>>
>>>             Bill
>>>
>>>             On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>>             Hi all,
>>>>             Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up
>>>>             on Bill's last point, it might be helpful to include
>>>>             people's dates in Dubai in the list to facilitate
>>>>             coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in
>>>>             coordination as well.
>>>>
>>>>             Best,
>>>>             Deborah
>>>>
>>>>             On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake
>>>>             <william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Hi
>>>>
>>>>                 Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU
>>>>                 staff's refrain that the meeting's fully
>>>>                 multistakeholder since people can simply join their
>>>>                 national delegations, a cursory scan of the
>>>>                 Announced List of Participants as of 27 November
>>>>                 shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that
>>>>                 seem obviously to be civil society—half on the US
>>>>                 del, the others scattered.  Caveats apply: a) It
>>>>                 may be that I just don't recognize some individual
>>>>                 and organizational names so this guesstimate's a
>>>>                 little low.  b) In the UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD
>>>>                 etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are
>>>>                 separated, so that's how I count.  I see more TC
>>>>                 than CS names on the list, and while most of the
>>>>                 former work in the private sector or for
>>>>                 administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some
>>>>                 people who are by various standards in both.  c)
>>>>                  The list is being periodically updated, so there
>>>>                 may be some late registrations.  All that said, the
>>>>                 number seems unlikely to be terribly high.  There
>>>>                 may be more CS just coming and hanging around in
>>>>                 hopes of getting into any open to the public
>>>>                 sessions (TBD Monday), or otherwise populating the
>>>>                 hallways, than there are on the delegations.
>>>>
>>>>                 It would be good to have a list with contact
>>>>                 details and to establish a communication channel
>>>>                 e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will
>>>>                 have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate.
>>>>
>>>>                 Best,
>>>>
>>>>                 Bill
>>>>
>>>>                 PS: The call time below may not be optimal for
>>>>                 people on dels if meetings run late (I'll be on a
>>>>                 plane).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>                 Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>                 We have been talking here at CDT about various
>>>>>                 strategies for communications and coordination
>>>>>                 during the WCIT. Lots to think about here. Two
>>>>>                 items on this:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 First: Who is going to Dubai? We /really/ want to
>>>>>                 develop a list of civil society people who will be
>>>>>                 in Dubai for the conference. We think it would be
>>>>>                 helpful for those attending WCIT to know what
>>>>>                 other CS people will be there, and to develop a
>>>>>                 rough plan for coordinating once they are in
>>>>>                 Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy
>>>>>                 director who has been working on ITU issues with
>>>>>                 CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not
>>>>>                 be affiliated with any delegation. *If you or
>>>>>                 someone from your organization is going to be in
>>>>>                 Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd
>>>>>                 like to be in touch with other civil society folks
>>>>>                 there, please send Matthew an email letting him
>>>>>                 know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org
>>>>>                 <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>*
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Second: How can we coordinate on public
>>>>>                 communication about the WCIT? We know that many
>>>>>                 CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to
>>>>>                 press inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening.
>>>>>                 Given the relatively closed nature of the event,
>>>>>                 we know that it may be difficult to get the
>>>>>                 information we need in order to do this well, and
>>>>>                 that some coordination between groups may help
>>>>>                 fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and
>>>>>                 misinformation may become an issue, as different
>>>>>                 delegates may hear different things, etc. In
>>>>>                 anticipation of this, we want to propose a group
>>>>>                 call for next week. This will be open to any civil
>>>>>                 society groups planning to report on WCIT, either
>>>>>                 from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the size
>>>>>                 of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though
>>>>>                 early, which generally seems best) time and date
>>>>>                 for the call. Hope that plenty of folks can join
>>>>>                 -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those
>>>>>                 who can't make it.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4
>>>>>                 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. *A list of international
>>>>>                 toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I will
>>>>>                 circulate this again, along with a reminder, on
>>>>>                 Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the
>>>>>                 list with additional ideas, questions, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Thanks all!
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Ellery
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Ellery Roberts Biddle
>>>>>                 Center for Democracy and Technology <http://cdt.org/>
>>>>>                 (415) 814-1711 <tel:%28415%29%20814-1711>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             -- 
>>>>             Deborah Brown
>>>>             Policy Analyst
>>>>             Access | AccessNow.org <http://AccessNow.org>
>>>>             E. deborah at accessnow.org <mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>
>>>>             S. deborah.l.brown
>>>>             T. deblebrown
>>>>             PGP 0x5EB4727D
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Rashmi Rangnath
>>>     Director, Global Knowledge Initiative and Staff Attorney
>>>     Public Knowledge
>>>     1818 N Street NW
>>>     Suite 410
>>>     Washington, D.C. 20036
>>>     202 861 0020 <tel:202%20861%200020>
>>>     rrangnath at publicknowledge.org <mailto:rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>
>>>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Emma J. Llansó
>>     Policy Counsel
>>     Center for Democracy & Technology
>>     1634 I Street NW, Suite 1100
>>     Washington, DC 20006
>>     202-407-8818 <tel:202-407-8818> | @cendemtech
>>     <https://twitter.com/#%21/CenDemTech>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tim Hwang
>> Twitter: @timhwang
>> Phone: 973-960-4955
>>
>> ROFLCon -- roflcon.org <http://roflcon.org>
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From william.drake at uzh.ch  Thu Nov 29 02:26:16 2012
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:26:16 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
In-Reply-To: <50B6DE1B.5010109@cdt.org>
References: <CCDC0DDC.2B7B%lea@global-partners.co.uk> <50B6DE1B.5010109@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <0872ADC2-FC57-4AE5-9F25-E8765B52F9C2@uzh.ch>

Hi

On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:01 AM, Emma Llanso wrote:

> The first is the attached tipsheet on information and device security

Thanks

> If you'd like to access the private pads, please email me and ellery at cdt.org and we'd be happy to create an account for you.

Please

On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:36 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
> 
> On 29 Nov 2012, at 01:09, Lea Kaspar wrote:
> 
>> Someone asked about accommodation – I got a very affordable deal at the hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically adjacent to the conference venue.
> 
> it is as close as you can get.

and where I'm at, the only cheap place around it seemed.  But had to go through quick a hassle to get rid of WCIT's official designated hotel booker who tried to take over a reservation I'd made myself, raise the price, and demand pre-payment.

Bill
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From anriette at apc.org  Thu Nov 29 02:59:21 2012
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:59:21 +0200
Subject: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
 reporting
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Good points Parminder. We should also be exploring at some point the
issue of taxation from a civil society perspective.

One consideration you don't make in positing freedom of expression
"against" public interest regulation is that in many instances we
actually need regulation to protect freedom of expression.

E.g. regulation that does not make internet intermediaries liable for
the content they host/carry.

I am hoping that the engagement on WCIT by civil society, and the
support for civil society engagement in WCIT will not dry up once the
initial 'victory' has been won.

Securing a free and open internet in the longer term will indeed depend
on governments not meddling inappropriately in internet development and
regulation, but it also depends on making sure that there is a level
playing field (as level as possible) for internet businesses and
innovators from all over the world, and on making sure that rights such
as freedom of expression and association (among others) are respected on
the internet.

And leading on from this, there needs to be recourse and remedy for
people whose rights are being violated. Can this be achieved without any
regulatory intervention? I would say it cannot. Is the ITU the right
place to lead the development such an intervention? Definitely not, but
that does not mean that telecoms regulation is irrelevant to securing a
fair and open internet and it is really good that so many new people are
engaging ITU processes.

This does bring us back to our 'Best Bits' goal about developing and
proposing principles for internet governance. Should we not begin to
plan our next steps?

Anriette




On 29/11/2012 07:32, parminder wrote:
> well sorry, that was not the oped I did but another news item on
> censorship in India
>
> the oped is below
>
> http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/hyping-one-threat-to-hide-another/article4140922.ece
>
>
>
> On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:54 AM, parminder wrote:
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Without distracting all of you from the important task of on the
>> ground coordination at the WCIT, I will like to draw your attention
>> to the oped that I did on WCIT in the larger content of global IG in
>> the top India daily 'The Hindu'. It kind of gives a balancing view to
>> what I think it often a one-sided campaign with a relatively narrow
>> vision and purpose.
>>
>> http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/civil-society-seeks-serious-relook-at-law/article4145033.ece
>>
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>
>> On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:41 AM, Tim Hwang wrote:
>>> Ack! My mistake - didn't realize there would be the other etherpad
>>> setup, please disregard the one I sent out earlier today (i.e.
>>> https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Emma Llanso <ellanso at cdt.org
>>> <mailto:ellanso at cdt.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi all,
>>>
>>>     I wanted to share two things CDT has put together for our own
>>>     information security and coordination during WCIT, which I hope
>>>     will be helpful to the larger group. The first is the attached
>>>     tipsheet on information and device security for people who will
>>>     be on the ground in Dubai, which our senior staff technologist
>>>     Joe Hall put together (with some very helpful contributions from
>>>     NDI).  If anyone has other tips to share, please do! And let me
>>>     know if you have any questions about the doc.
>>>
>>>     The second is this etherpad setup:
>>>     https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/. It's a central
>>>     homepage that can host multiple private and publicly accessible
>>>     pads/docs; accessing the above URL or any of the private pads
>>>     requires an account, but anyone with the URL to a public pad
>>>     (e.g. https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/1) should be able
>>>     to read it. We thought this provided a good mix of opportunity
>>>     for relatively secure communication plus potential to create
>>>     public-facing docs as well.  If you'd like to access the private
>>>     pads, please email me and ellery at cdt.org <mailto:ellery at cdt.org>
>>>     and we'd be happy to create an account for you.
>>>
>>>     I've begun keeping a list of civil society attendees (with
>>>     contact info and hotel, where I know it) on a private pad at the
>>>     above link, but I'm happy to combine with Tim's pad, if that's
>>>     easier for folks.  And if you see your information listed but
>>>     don't want it to be, please let me know!
>>>
>>>     Best,
>>>     Emma
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 11/28/2012 4:09 PM, Lea Kaspar wrote:
>>>>     Dear Ellery et al,
>>>>
>>>>     For those of you I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet, I'm
>>>>     Lea Kaspar, working with Global Partners in London.
>>>>
>>>>     We are facilitating participation of several groups – I can
>>>>     post/send the info as soon as I have the final details. Should
>>>>     this be done to Matthew directly or are we using the etherpad? I
>>>>     will also be attending the conference as an unaffiliated rep
>>>>     from Dec 4 to 10.
>>>>
>>>>     Unfortunately, I'll be on a plane at the time of the call, but
>>>>     would like to be kept in the loop about what other folk are
>>>>     doing/planning. Are you planning to share the list here?
>>>>
>>>>     Someone asked about accommodation – I got a very affordable deal
>>>>     at the hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically adjacent to
>>>>     the conference venue.
>>>>
>>>>     Best,
>>>>     Lea
>>>>
>>>>     From: Rashmi Rangnath <rrangnath at publicknowledge.org
>>>>     <mailto:rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>>
>>>>     Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:39
>>>>     To: Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org
>>>>     <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>>
>>>>     Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch
>>>>     <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>, Deborah Brown
>>>>     <deborah at accessnow.org <mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>>, Ellery
>>>>     Biddle <ellery at cdt.org <mailto:ellery at cdt.org>>, "wcit12 at cdt.org
>>>>     <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>" <wcit12 at cdt.org
>>>>     <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>>, "bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>>     <mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>"
>>>>     <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>>     <mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>>, Harold Feld
>>>>     <hfeld at publicknowledge.org <mailto:hfeld at publicknowledge.org>>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's
>>>>     attending, who's reporting
>>>>
>>>>     Al:
>>>>
>>>>     I and my colleague Harold Feld will be on the US delegation.
>>>>
>>>>     I will be in Dubai from December 9th to the14th.
>>>>
>>>>     Harold will be there from December 4th to the 12th.
>>>>
>>>>     Rashmi
>>>>
>>>>     On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tim Hwang
>>>>     <tim at mozillafoundation.org <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>>
>>>>     wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown up a
>>>>         quick Etherpad page here that people can fill in with
>>>>         information, if it's helpful:
>>>>         https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai
>>>>
>>>>         Password is: ITU.
>>>>
>>>>         -Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake
>>>>         <william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Hi
>>>>
>>>>             FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished
>>>>             a long briefing on security, thought I'd pass along a
>>>>             few points of local interest while thinking it:
>>>>
>>>>               * expect to be constantly electronically surveilled,
>>>>                 including in hotels
>>>>               * expect all electronic communications to be insecure,
>>>>                 particularly wireless
>>>>               * keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel
>>>>               * USG has received no info on how the government might
>>>>                 react to any on-site activism of an unapproved
>>>>                 nature, and if relevant urges US citizens to let
>>>>                 State or the consulate know they'll be in town.
>>>>
>>>>             Make of these what you will….
>>>>
>>>>             Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>             Bill
>>>>
>>>>             On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>             Hi all,
>>>>>             Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up
>>>>>             on Bill's last point, it might be helpful to include
>>>>>             people's dates in Dubai in the list to facilitate
>>>>>             coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in
>>>>>             coordination as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Best,
>>>>>             Deborah
>>>>>
>>>>>             On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake
>>>>>             <william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Hi
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU
>>>>>                 staff's refrain that the meeting's fully
>>>>>                 multistakeholder since people can simply join their
>>>>>                 national delegations, a cursory scan of the
>>>>>                 Announced List of Participants as of 27 November
>>>>>                 shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that
>>>>>                 seem obviously to be civil society—half on the US
>>>>>                 del, the others scattered.  Caveats apply: a) It
>>>>>                 may be that I just don't recognize some individual
>>>>>                 and organizational names so this guesstimate's a
>>>>>                 little low.  b) In the UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD
>>>>>                 etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are
>>>>>                 separated, so that's how I count.  I see more TC
>>>>>                 than CS names on the list, and while most of the
>>>>>                 former work in the private sector or for
>>>>>                 administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some
>>>>>                 people who are by various standards in both.  c)
>>>>>                  The list is being periodically updated, so there
>>>>>                 may be some late registrations.  All that said, the
>>>>>                 number seems unlikely to be terribly high.  There
>>>>>                 may be more CS just coming and hanging around in
>>>>>                 hopes of getting into any open to the public
>>>>>                 sessions (TBD Monday), or otherwise populating the
>>>>>                 hallways, than there are on the delegations.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 It would be good to have a list with contact
>>>>>                 details and to establish a communication channel
>>>>>                 e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will
>>>>>                 have some constraints) if Matthew wants to
>>>>> coordinate.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>                 PS: The call time below may not be optimal for
>>>>>                 people on dels if meetings run late (I'll be on a
>>>>>                 plane).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 We have been talking here at CDT about various
>>>>>>                 strategies for communications and coordination
>>>>>>                 during the WCIT. Lots to think about here. Two
>>>>>>                 items on this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 First: Who is going to Dubai? We /really/ want to
>>>>>>                 develop a list of civil society people who will be
>>>>>>                 in Dubai for the conference. We think it would be
>>>>>>                 helpful for those attending WCIT to know what
>>>>>>                 other CS people will be there, and to develop a
>>>>>>                 rough plan for coordinating once they are in
>>>>>>                 Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy
>>>>>>                 director who has been working on ITU issues with
>>>>>>                 CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not
>>>>>>                 be affiliated with any delegation. *If you or
>>>>>>                 someone from your organization is going to be in
>>>>>>                 Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd
>>>>>>                 like to be in touch with other civil society folks
>>>>>>                 there, please send Matthew an email letting him
>>>>>>                 know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org
>>>>>>                 <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Second: How can we coordinate on public
>>>>>>                 communication about the WCIT? We know that many
>>>>>>                 CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to
>>>>>>                 press inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening.
>>>>>>                 Given the relatively closed nature of the event,
>>>>>>                 we know that it may be difficult to get the
>>>>>>                 information we need in order to do this well, and
>>>>>>                 that some coordination between groups may help
>>>>>>                 fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and
>>>>>>                 misinformation may become an issue, as different
>>>>>>                 delegates may hear different things, etc. In
>>>>>>                 anticipation of this, we want to propose a group
>>>>>>                 call for next week. This will be open to any civil
>>>>>>                 society groups planning to report on WCIT, either
>>>>>>                 from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the size
>>>>>>                 of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though
>>>>>>                 early, which generally seems best) time and date
>>>>>>                 for the call. Hope that plenty of folks can join
>>>>>>                 -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those
>>>>>>                 who can't make it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4
>>>>>>                 at 16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. *A list of international
>>>>>>                 toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I will
>>>>>>                 circulate this again, along with a reminder, on
>>>>>>                 Monday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the
>>>>>>                 list with additional ideas, questions, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Thanks all!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Ellery
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Ellery Roberts Biddle
>>>>>>                 Center for Democracy and Technology
>>>>>> <http://cdt.org/>
>>>>>>                 (415) 814-1711 <tel:%28415%29%20814-1711>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             --             Deborah Brown
>>>>>             Policy Analyst
>>>>>             Access | AccessNow.org <http://AccessNow.org>
>>>>>             E. deborah at accessnow.org <mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>
>>>>>             S. deborah.l.brown
>>>>>             T. deblebrown
>>>>>             PGP 0x5EB4727D
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     --     Rashmi Rangnath
>>>>     Director, Global Knowledge Initiative and Staff Attorney
>>>>     Public Knowledge
>>>>     1818 N Street NW
>>>>     Suite 410
>>>>     Washington, D.C. 20036
>>>>     202 861 0020 <tel:202%20861%200020>
>>>>     rrangnath at publicknowledge.org
>>>> <mailto:rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>
>>>>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>
>>>     --     Emma J. Llansó
>>>     Policy Counsel
>>>     Center for Democracy & Technology
>>>     1634 I Street NW, Suite 1100
>>>     Washington, DC 20006
>>>     202-407-8818 <tel:202-407-8818> | @cendemtech
>>>     <https://twitter.com/#%21/CenDemTech>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tim Hwang
>>> Twitter: @timhwang
>>> Phone: 973-960-4955
>>>
>>> ROFLCon -- roflcon.org <http://roflcon.org>
>>
>
>

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From ellery at cdt.org  Thu Nov 29 08:24:28 2012
From: ellery at cdt.org (Ellery Biddle)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:24:28 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] Day of Action!
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Hi everyone,

Just a quick reminder that today various CSOs will be promoting a "Day of Action" on the WCIT -- we're doing all we can to get organizations and individuals to urge their WCIT delegates to vote in favor of making the WCIT as open as possible. Get involved if you can! Write to your delegate, tweet or blog about WCIT, or sign the Protect Global Internet Freedom statement. For those who are looking for a simple way to take action, Canada-based OpenMedia has created this tool to easily write a customized email to national delegates. 

On Twitter, CDTers plan to continue using the #WCIT and #ITU hashtags and to focus on simple messages like "#ITU delegates: vote to make #WCIT open to the public!"

cheers,

Ellery

Ellery Roberts Biddle
Center for Democracy and Technology
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From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
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Yes, and since so many people are (quite correctly IMHO) convinced both 

                1. that some form of intervention in support of the public
interest (including to ensure freedom of expression) through and of the
Internet is necessary and 

                2. that the ITU largely because of its history and current
structures (which are the reflection of its history) is unable to be the
venue for this -- 

 

then there should be the beginnings of some thought on what sort of
structures would be appropriate for such intervention and what the
characteristics of such structures (and interventions) should be.

 

Mike

 

From: bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette
Esterhuysen
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:59 PM
To: bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's
reporting

 

Good points Parminder. We should also be exploring at some point the issue
of taxation from a civil society perspective.

One consideration you don't make in positing freedom of expression "against"
public interest regulation is that in many instances we actually need
regulation to protect freedom of expression.

E.g. regulation that does not make internet intermediaries liable for the
content they host/carry.

I am hoping that the engagement on WCIT by civil society, and the support
for civil society engagement in WCIT will not dry up once the initial
'victory' has been won.

Securing a free and open internet in the longer term will indeed depend on
governments not meddling inappropriately in internet development and
regulation, but it also depends on making sure that there is a level playing
field (as level as possible) for internet businesses and innovators from all
over the world, and on making sure that rights such as freedom of expression
and association (among others) are respected on the internet.

And leading on from this, there needs to be recourse and remedy for people
whose rights are being violated. Can this be achieved without any regulatory
intervention? I would say it cannot. Is the ITU the right place to lead the
development such an intervention? Definitely not, but that does not mean
that telecoms regulation is irrelevant to securing a fair and open internet
and it is really good that so many new people are engaging ITU processes.

This does bring us back to our 'Best Bits' goal about developing and
proposing principles for internet governance. Should we not begin to plan
our next steps?

Anriette




On 29/11/2012 07:32, parminder wrote:



well sorry, that was not the oped I did but another news item on censorship
in India 

the oped is below 

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/hyping-one-threat-to-hide-another/artic
le4140922.ece 


On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:54 AM, parminder wrote: 




Hi All 

Without distracting all of you from the important task of on the ground
coordination at the WCIT, I will like to draw your attention to the oped
that I did on WCIT in the larger content of global IG in the top India daily
'The Hindu'. It kind of gives a balancing view to what I think it often a
one-sided campaign with a relatively narrow vision and purpose. 

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/civil-society-seeks-serious
-relook-at-law/article4145033.ece 

parminder 


On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:41 AM, Tim Hwang wrote: 



Ack! My mistake - didn't realize there would be the other etherpad setup,
please disregard the one I sent out earlier today (i.e.
https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai). 

Thanks, 
Tim 

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Emma Llanso <ellanso at cdt.org
<mailto:ellanso at cdt.org> <mailto:ellanso at cdt.org>> wrote: 

    Hi all, 

    I wanted to share two things CDT has put together for our own 
    information security and coordination during WCIT, which I hope 
    will be helpful to the larger group. The first is the attached 
    tipsheet on information and device security for people who will 
    be on the ground in Dubai, which our senior staff technologist 
    Joe Hall put together (with some very helpful contributions from 
    NDI).  If anyone has other tips to share, please do! And let me 
    know if you have any questions about the doc. 

    The second is this etherpad setup: 
    https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/. It's a central 
    homepage that can host multiple private and publicly accessible 
    pads/docs; accessing the above URL or any of the private pads 
    requires an account, but anyone with the URL to a public pad 
    (e.g. https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/1) should be able 
    to read it. We thought this provided a good mix of opportunity 
    for relatively secure communication plus potential to create 
    public-facing docs as well.  If you'd like to access the private 
    pads, please email me and ellery at cdt.org  <mailto:ellery at cdt.org>
<mailto:ellery at cdt.org> 
    and we'd be happy to create an account for you. 

    I've begun keeping a list of civil society attendees (with 
    contact info and hotel, where I know it) on a private pad at the 
    above link, but I'm happy to combine with Tim's pad, if that's 
    easier for folks.  And if you see your information listed but 
    don't want it to be, please let me know! 

    Best, 
    Emma 



    On 11/28/2012 4:09 PM, Lea Kaspar wrote: 



    Dear Ellery et al, 

    For those of you I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet, I'm 
    Lea Kaspar, working with Global Partners in London. 

    We are facilitating participation of several groups – I can 
    post/send the info as soon as I have the final details. Should 
    this be done to Matthew directly or are we using the etherpad? I 
    will also be attending the conference as an unaffiliated rep 
    from Dec 4 to 10. 

    Unfortunately, I'll be on a plane at the time of the call, but 
    would like to be kept in the loop about what other folk are 
    doing/planning. Are you planning to share the list here? 

    Someone asked about accommodation – I got a very affordable deal 
    at the hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically adjacent to 
    the conference venue. 

    Best, 
    Lea 

    From: Rashmi Rangnath <rrangnath at publicknowledge.org 
     <mailto:rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>
<mailto:rrangnath at publicknowledge.org>> 
    Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:39 
    To: Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org 
     <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org> <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>> 
    Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch 
     <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch> <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>, Deborah
Brown 
    <deborah at accessnow.org  <mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>
<mailto:deborah at accessnow.org>>, Ellery 
    Biddle <ellery at cdt.org  <mailto:ellery at cdt.org>
<mailto:ellery at cdt.org>>, "wcit12 at cdt.org 
     <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org> <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>" <wcit12 at cdt.org 
     <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org> <mailto:wcit12 at cdt.org>>,
"bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org 
     <mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
<mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>" 
    <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org 
     <mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
<mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>>, Harold Feld 
    <hfeld at publicknowledge.org  <mailto:hfeld at publicknowledge.org>
<mailto:hfeld at publicknowledge.org>> 
    Subject: Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's 
    attending, who's reporting 

    Al: 

    I and my colleague Harold Feld will be on the US delegation. 

    I will be in Dubai from December 9th to the14th. 

    Harold will be there from December 4th to the 12th. 

    Rashmi 

    On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tim Hwang 
    <tim at mozillafoundation.org  <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>
<mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>> 
    wrote: 

        To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown up a 
        quick Etherpad page here that people can fill in with 
        information, if it's helpful: 
        https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai 

        Password is: ITU. 

        -Tim 


        On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake 
        <william.drake at uzh.ch  <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>
<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote: 

            Hi 

            FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished 
            a long briefing on security, thought I'd pass along a 
            few points of local interest while thinking it: 

              * expect to be constantly electronically surveilled, 
                including in hotels 
              * expect all electronic communications to be insecure, 
                particularly wireless 
              * keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel 
              * USG has received no info on how the government might 
                react to any on-site activism of an unapproved 
                nature, and if relevant urges US citizens to let 
                State or the consulate know they'll be in town. 

            Make of these what you will
. 

            Cheers, 

            Bill 

            On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote: 




            Hi all, 
            Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up 
            on Bill's last point, it might be helpful to include 
            people's dates in Dubai in the list to facilitate 
            coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in 
            coordination as well. 

            Best, 
            Deborah 

            On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake 
            <william.drake at uzh.ch  <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>
<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote: 

                Hi 

                Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU 
                staff's refrain that the meeting's fully 
                multistakeholder since people can simply join their 
                national delegations, a cursory scan of the 
                Announced List of Participants as of 27 November 
                shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that 
                seem obviously to be civil society—half on the US 
                del, the others scattered.  Caveats apply: a) It 
                may be that I just don't recognize some individual 
                and organizational names so this guesstimate's a 
                little low.  b) In the UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD 
                etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are 
                separated, so that's how I count.  I see more TC 
                than CS names on the list, and while most of the 
                former work in the private sector or for 
                administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some 
                people who are by various standards in both.  c) 
                 The list is being periodically updated, so there 
                may be some late registrations.  All that said, the 
                number seems unlikely to be terribly high.  There 
                may be more CS just coming and hanging around in 
                hopes of getting into any open to the public 
                sessions (TBD Monday), or otherwise populating the 
                hallways, than there are on the delegations. 

                It would be good to have a list with contact 
                details and to establish a communication channel 
                e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will 
                have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate. 

                Best, 

                Bill 

                PS: The call time below may not be optimal for 
                people on dels if meetings run late (I'll be on a 
                plane). 




                On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote: 




                Hi everyone, 

                We have been talking here at CDT about various 
                strategies for communications and coordination 
                during the WCIT. Lots to think about here. Two 
                items on this: 

                First: Who is going to Dubai? We /really/ want to 
                develop a list of civil society people who will be 
                in Dubai for the conference. We think it would be 
                helpful for those attending WCIT to know what 
                other CS people will be there, and to develop a 
                rough plan for coordinating once they are in 
                Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy 
                director who has been working on ITU issues with 
                CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not 
                be affiliated with any delegation. *If you or 
                someone from your organization is going to be in 
                Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd 
                like to be in touch with other civil society folks 
                there, please send Matthew an email letting him 
                know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org 
                 <mailto:mshears at cdt.org> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>* 

                Second: How can we coordinate on public 
                communication about the WCIT? We know that many 
                CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to 
                press inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. 
                Given the relatively closed nature of the event, 
                we know that it may be difficult to get the 
                information we need in order to do this well, and 
                that some coordination between groups may help 
                fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and 
                misinformation may become an issue, as different 
                delegates may hear different things, etc. In 
                anticipation of this, we want to propose a group 
                call for next week. This will be open to any civil 
                society groups planning to report on WCIT, either 
                from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the size 
                of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though 
                early, which generally seems best) time and date 
                for the call. Hope that plenty of folks can join 
                -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those 
                who can't make it. 

                *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 
                at 16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. *A list of international 
                toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I will 
                circulate this again, along with a reminder, on 
                Monday. 

                As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the 
                list with additional ideas, questions, etc. 

                Thanks all! 

                Ellery 

                Ellery Roberts Biddle 
                Center for Democracy and Technology  <http://cdt.org/>
<http://cdt.org/> 
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From evangreer at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 12:10:56 2012
From: evangreer at gmail.com (Evan Greer)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:10:56 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] Notes from Yesterday's ITU "final push" phone call
Message-ID: <CAHDHqy--j2z-rF0BVv46BzQecZ1p7xWyU-WnRU+7J=xQyOh4hQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
  Several people on this list RSVP'd that they weren't able to make it but
wanted to receive notes from yesterday's conference call.

Here are the notes:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YSq-raudmIW2k28Bnmi69I4VJCAuc3Gxu1g5nFLQXNs/edit

One thing of note is that there was general consensus about the idea of
Access, with other civil society organizations, organizing a public
delivery of the Protect Global Internet Freedom Statement (
www.protectinternetfreedom.org), which has been signed by over 30,000
people and nearly 1,000 organizations from over 160 countries.

This would happen in Dubai on December 3rd and we expect it would generate
significant media attention. The AFL-CIO (and their international labor
parners) are reaching out to see if there are representatives from labor
unions in the UAE or other priority countries who could be part of this
delivery and we are hoping to have other CSOs be a part of it.

There also seems to be energy towards a joint press release among a variety
of CSO's announcing the various actions that are happening around ITU.

If your organization would like to be part of either of these efforts, or
offer a quote for the joint press release, please contact me.

Thanks for everyone's work.

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From deborah at accessnow.org  Thu Nov 29 16:55:37 2012
From: deborah at accessnow.org (Deborah Brown)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:55:37 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] What to Watch at WCIT- Analysis of Key Issues and
 Positions
Message-ID: <CALU7RQbd6YoiAHZD77n6Gap74ag2yfVd9VoZvOYuaD6RX875Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I would like draw your attention to a new resource we released, "What to
Watch at WCIT", which provides analysis of key issues that will be
considered at WCIT. We identify concerning proposals (including specific
language and article numbers) and the positions of ITU member states as of
the end of November. We hope this resource will be useful to those in Dubai
as we as those participating and observing from a distance.

This is a living document and we will update it as appropriate. Please send
any feedback, including issues to add, to me (deborah at accessnow.org) or
Access Policy Fellow Matt Friedman (matt at accessnow.org).

You can find the document here: What to Watch at WCIT: Analysis of Key
Issues and Positions<https://www.accessnow.org/page/-/docs/What_to_Watch_at_WCIT-_Access_Analysis.pdf?redirected>
For additional resources, please visit our ITU page:
www.accessnow.org/policy/ITU

Apologies for cross posting.

Best regards,
Deborah


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From gurstein at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 00:28:14 2012
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:28:14 +0400
Subject: Some thoughts on what I think our WCIT discussion should really be about and what a CS position should be in that regard
Message-ID: <057601cdba44$e1736130$a45a2390$@gmail.com>

I guess I would have liked to have less discussion on the details and a bit
more on principles that should be motivating CS in the broader context of
the WCIT.

http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/the-ituwcit-thinking-about-internet
-regulatory-policy-from-an-ldc-perspective/

(the discussion is also interesting...

M



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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:00:40 -0800
Subject: [bestbits] Here's our blog about the Protect Internet Freedom Day
 of Action
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Here it is - feel free to adapt for your own blogs:
http://openmedianow.net/blog/your-day-action


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From deborah at accessnow.org  Fri Nov 30 15:23:20 2012
From: deborah at accessnow.org (Deborah Brown)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:23:20 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] The Necessity of an Inclusive, Transparent and
 Participatory Internet
In-Reply-To: <32CDB1A8C6A6134DABC81F9D3CAD702215B1375193@NTIAMBX01.ntiadc.ntia.doc.gov>
References: <40b43.5d2dacd7.3de6d10b@aol.com>
	<2E8CBB32-B207-4A3E-BF34-CAD8DDB8B77B@bbn.com>
	<FB78CF1B-3967-4357-96FE-72553335400F@uzh.ch>
	<50B7CF16.4090500@netmagic.com>
	<32CDB1A8C6A6134DABC81F9D3CAD702215B1375193@NTIAMBX01.ntiadc.ntia.doc.gov>
Message-ID: <CALU7RQYVduiK3ACQghH+2-im+G6R1jcYxWFvBMKHJJ9aYfgpcA@mail.gmail.com>

FYI- Note the reference to Best Bits below.


The blog below is being posted on NTIA, State and FCC websites

The Necessity of an Inclusive, Transparent and Participatory Internet

On the eve of the World Conference on International Telecommunications
(WCIT), we believe that it is the right time to reaffirm the U.S.
Government's commitment to the multistakeholder model as the appropriate
process for addressing Internet policy and governance issues.  The
multistakeholder model has enabled the Internet to flourish.  It has
promoted freedom of expression, both online and off.  It has ensured the
Internet is a robust, open platform for innovation, investment, economic
growth and the creation of wealth throughout the world, including in
developing countries.

There are those who may suggest next week in Dubai - and in future venues
where Internet policy is discussed - that the United States controls the
Internet. Alternatively, they may suggest that in the future governments
alone should run the Internet.  Our response is grounded in the reality
that this is simply not the case.  The Internet is a decentralized network
of networks and there is no one party - government or industry - that
controls the Internet today.  And that's a good thing.

The Internet's decentralized, multistakeholder processes enable us all to
benefit from the  engagement of all interested parties. By encouraging the
participation of industry, civil society, technical and academic experts,
and governments from around the globe, multistakeholder processes result in
broader and more creative problem solving.  This is essential when dealing
with the Internet, which thrives through the cooperation of many different
parties.

The global community has many serious topics to discuss with respect to the
Internet.  Collectively, we need to ensure that these matters are taken up
in suitable multistakeholder venues so that these discussions are well
informed by the voices of all interested parties.
Our commitment to the multistakeholder model is based on the fact that
transparency, inclusion and participation are the 21st century standards
governing discussions related to modern communications.  *This is a view
shared by many around the world and was most recently reiterated by a
statement of civil society members and groups from around the world who
participated in the "Best Bits" pre-Internet Governance Forum (IGF) meeting
held earlier this month in Baku, Azerbaijan.  The U.S. Government wishes to
lend its support to the spirit of the recommendations contained in the
statement.*

We have and will continue to advocate for an Internet that is not dominated
by any one player or group of players, and one that is free from
bureaucratic layers that cannot keep up with the pace of change.  We will
work with everyone to ensure that we have a global Internet that allows all
voices to be heard.

----------------------
Lawrence E. Strickling, Administrator, National Telecommunications and
Information Administration (NTIA)

Julius Genachowski, Chairman, Federal Communications Commission (FCC)

Phillip L. Verveer, U.S. Coordinator for International Communications and
Information Policy, State Department



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From avri at acm.org  Fri Nov 30 15:32:45 2012
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 00:32:45 +0400
Subject: [bestbits] The Necessity of an Inclusive, Transparent and
 Participatory Internet
In-Reply-To: <CALU7RQYVduiK3ACQghH+2-im+G6R1jcYxWFvBMKHJJ9aYfgpcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40b43.5d2dacd7.3de6d10b@aol.com> <2E8CBB32-B207-4A3E-BF34-CAD8DDB8B77B@bbn.com> <FB78CF1B-3967-4357-96FE-72553335400F@uzh.ch> <50B7CF16.4090500@netmagic.com> <32CDB1A8C6A6134DABC81F9D3CAD702215B1375193@NTIAMBX01.ntiadc.ntia.doc.gov> <CALU7RQYVduiK3ACQghH+2-im+G6R1jcYxWFvBMKHJJ9aYfgpcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38EA5CFB-488B-478E-95B2-40023720D9EB@acm.org>

Rather amazing statement.

avri

On 1 Dec 2012, at 00:23, Deborah Brown wrote:

> FYI- Note the reference to Best Bits below. 
> 
> 
> The blog below is being posted on NTIA, State and FCC websites
> 
> The Necessity of an Inclusive, Transparent and Participatory Internet
> 
> On the eve of the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT), we believe that it is the right time to reaffirm the U.S. Government's commitment to the multistakeholder model as the appropriate process for addressing Internet policy and governance issues.  The multistakeholder model has enabled the Internet to flourish.  It has promoted freedom of expression, both online and off.  It has ensured the Internet is a robust, open platform for innovation, investment, economic growth and the creation of wealth throughout the world, including in developing countries.
> 
> There are those who may suggest next week in Dubai - and in future venues where Internet policy is discussed - that the United States controls the Internet. Alternatively, they may suggest that in the future governments alone should run the Internet.  Our response is grounded in the reality that this is simply not the case.  The Internet is a decentralized network of networks and there is no one party - government or industry - that controls the Internet today.  And that's a good thing.
> 
> The Internet's decentralized, multistakeholder processes enable us all to benefit from the  engagement of all interested parties. By encouraging the participation of industry, civil society, technical and academic experts, and governments from around the globe, multistakeholder processes result in broader and more creative problem solving.  This is essential when dealing with the Internet, which thrives through the cooperation of many different parties.
> 
> The global community has many serious topics to discuss with respect to the Internet.  Collectively, we need to ensure that these matters are taken up in suitable multistakeholder venues so that these discussions are well informed by the voices of all interested parties.
> Our commitment to the multistakeholder model is based on the fact that transparency, inclusion and participation are the 21st century standards governing discussions related to modern communications.  This is a view shared by many around the world and was most recently reiterated by a statement of civil society members and groups from around the world who participated in the "Best Bits" pre-Internet Governance Forum (IGF) meeting held earlier this month in Baku, Azerbaijan.  The U.S. Government wishes to lend its support to the spirit of the recommendations contained in the statement.
> 
> We have and will continue to advocate for an Internet that is not dominated by any one player or group of players, and one that is free from bureaucratic layers that cannot keep up with the pace of change.  We will work with everyone to ensure that we have a global Internet that allows all voices to be heard.
> 
> ----------------------
> Lawrence E. Strickling, Administrator, National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA)
> 
> Julius Genachowski, Chairman, Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
> 
> Phillip L. Verveer, U.S. Coordinator for International Communications and Information Policy, State Department
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Deborah Brown
> Policy Analyst
> Access | AccessNow.org
> E. deborah at accessnow.org
> S. deborah.l.brown
> T. deblebrown
> PGP 0x5EB4727D
> 



From mawaki at apc.org  Fri Nov 30 15:44:41 2012
From: mawaki at apc.org (mawaki chango)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:44:41 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] The Necessity of an Inclusive, Transparent and
 Participatory Internet
In-Reply-To: <38EA5CFB-488B-478E-95B2-40023720D9EB@acm.org>
References: <40b43.5d2dacd7.3de6d10b@aol.com>
	<2E8CBB32-B207-4A3E-BF34-CAD8DDB8B77B@bbn.com>
	<FB78CF1B-3967-4357-96FE-72553335400F@uzh.ch>
	<50B7CF16.4090500@netmagic.com>
	<32CDB1A8C6A6134DABC81F9D3CAD702215B1375193@NTIAMBX01.ntiadc.ntia.doc.gov>
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Indeed... given where we were in 2003!


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Rather amazing statement.
>
> avri
>
> On 1 Dec 2012, at 00:23, Deborah Brown wrote:
>
> > FYI- Note the reference to Best Bits below.
> >
> >
> > The blog below is being posted on NTIA, State and FCC websites
> >
> > The Necessity of an Inclusive, Transparent and Participatory Internet
> >
> > On the eve of the World Conference on International Telecommunications
> (WCIT), we believe that it is the right time to reaffirm the U.S.
> Government's commitment to the multistakeholder model as the appropriate
> process for addressing Internet policy and governance issues.  The
> multistakeholder model has enabled the Internet to flourish.  It has
> promoted freedom of expression, both online and off.  It has ensured the
> Internet is a robust, open platform for innovation, investment, economic
> growth and the creation of wealth throughout the world, including in
> developing countries.
> >
> > There are those who may suggest next week in Dubai - and in future
> venues where Internet policy is discussed - that the United States controls
> the Internet. Alternatively, they may suggest that in the future
> governments alone should run the Internet.  Our response is grounded in the
> reality that this is simply not the case.  The Internet is a decentralized
> network of networks and there is no one party - government or industry -
> that controls the Internet today.  And that's a good thing.
> >
> > The Internet's decentralized, multistakeholder processes enable us all
> to benefit from the  engagement of all interested parties. By encouraging
> the participation of industry, civil society, technical and academic
> experts, and governments from around the globe, multistakeholder processes
> result in broader and more creative problem solving.  This is essential
> when dealing with the Internet, which thrives through the cooperation of
> many different parties.
> >
> > The global community has many serious topics to discuss with respect to
> the Internet.  Collectively, we need to ensure that these matters are taken
> up in suitable multistakeholder venues so that these discussions are well
> informed by the voices of all interested parties.
> > Our commitment to the multistakeholder model is based on the fact that
> transparency, inclusion and participation are the 21st century standards
> governing discussions related to modern communications.  This is a view
> shared by many around the world and was most recently reiterated by a
> statement of civil society members and groups from around the world who
> participated in the "Best Bits" pre-Internet Governance Forum (IGF) meeting
> held earlier this month in Baku, Azerbaijan.  The U.S. Government wishes to
> lend its support to the spirit of the recommendations contained in the
> statement.
> >
> > We have and will continue to advocate for an Internet that is not
> dominated by any one player or group of players, and one that is free from
> bureaucratic layers that cannot keep up with the pace of change.  We will
> work with everyone to ensure that we have a global Internet that allows all
> voices to be heard.
> >
> > ----------------------
> > Lawrence E. Strickling, Administrator, National Telecommunications and
> Information Administration (NTIA)
> >
> > Julius Genachowski, Chairman, Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
> >
> > Phillip L. Verveer, U.S. Coordinator for International Communications
> and Information Policy, State Department
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Deborah Brown
> > Policy Analyst
> > Access | AccessNow.org
> > E. deborah at accessnow.org
> > S. deborah.l.brown
> > T. deblebrown
> > PGP 0x5EB4727D
> >
>
>
>


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From gpaque at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 07:58:11 2012
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 06:58:11 -0500
Subject: Best wishes for Best Bits without me
In-Reply-To: <9F46F06E-8BA5-471D-9167-1A72035F4D38@ciroap.org>
References: <9F46F06E-8BA5-471D-9167-1A72035F4D38@ciroap.org>
Message-ID: <CALCecM8qVvFfKvHCYMDGqju4P4_tcM6-wf5dmzaY3NRUJhvBmw@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to hear this, Jeremy! However, I do think you have organized so well
that, indeed, the meeting will be a great success and a solid, productive
start to the IGF. See you online in remote participation!

Best wishes and safe travels to all.
Ginger

Ginger (Virginia) Paque

VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
www.diplomacy.edu/ig
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**



On 2 November 2012 06:23, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:

> I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be staying until
> tomorrow having missed my connecting flight due to a flight delay.
> Therefore, I don't expect to be at Best Bits tomorrow.
>
> Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally, but since my
> involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind the scenes, I don't expect
> that it need have any effect on the success of your discussions and
> deliberations tomorrow.
>
> Andrew has the details of how to establish the web conference - though he
> may ask one of you to lend him your webcam-enabled computer to use for this
> - and so I may even be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I
> arrive in person.
>
> All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing how you made
> this a great meeting in my absence.
>
> --
> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
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From anriette at apc.org  Sun Nov  4 00:35:44 2012
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:35:44 +0200
Subject: Fwd: RE: Important request
In-Reply-To: <7902C45E9F01E24084B54FC9698A95C12E82ADF8@TUCHM04.TUECSP.UNICC.ORG>
References: <7902C45E9F01E24084B54FC9698A95C12E82ADF8@TUCHM04.TUECSP.UNICC.ORG>
Message-ID: <5095F0A0.2050408@apc.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	RE: Important request
Date: 	Sun, 4 Nov 2012 00:12:55 +0000
From: 	Sareidaki, Despoina <despoina.sareidaki at itu.int>
To: 	'anriette at apc.org' <anriette at apc.org>



Dear Anriette,

It has been decided to extend the deadline until 7 November (23:59 hours Geneva time).

Best regards,
Despoina

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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Sun Nov  4 03:20:10 2012
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 12:20:10 +0400
Subject: WCIT Statement
Message-ID: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org>

Dear all,
Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating 
in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning 
session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.

Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this 
mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document: 
<http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.

Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact 
that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive 
revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this 
mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an 
egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. 
Please do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.

Regards,
Pranesh

====

Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF 
meeting at Baku in 2012.

The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications 
Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent, 
despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation. 
Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the 
public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states 
to uphold and protect these values.

We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World 
Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this 
spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based, 
public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated 
such process for the WCIT itself.

In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
* All member states and regional groups to make their proposals 
available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful 
public participation;
* All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT 
meeting to the public;
* The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including 
live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as 
possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with 
disabilities;
* The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as 
much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website, 
so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they 
are made available;
* Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation 
their national delegations;
* The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express 
their views, as was done during the WSIS process.

Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be 
presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to 
any proposed revisions of the ITRs.

* That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core 
mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation 
is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications 
networks and interoperability standards.
* There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of 
the Internet Protocol and above.
* There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on 
affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and 
freedom of expression.

More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net 
neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and 
effective competition.

Signed by:

====

-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
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Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012.

The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent, despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.  Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states to uphold and protect these values.   

We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the WCIT process in this spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based, public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated such process for the WCIT itself.

In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
* All member states and regional groups to make their proposals available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful public participation;
* All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT meeting to the public;  
* The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with disabilities;
* The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website, so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they are made available;
* Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation their national delegations; 
* The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express their views, as was done during the WSIS process.

Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to any proposed revisions of the ITRs.

* That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications networks and interoperability standards.
* There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of the Internet Protocol and above.
* There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and freedom of expression.

More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and effective competition.

Signed by (alphabetically):

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From kbankston at cdt.org  Sun Nov  4 03:47:47 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 12:47:47 +0400
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <D552ADE1-46C6-4A1D-962B-27B6E194888B@cdt.org>
References: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org> <D552ADE1-46C6-4A1D-962B-27B6E194888B@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <84E53591-8098-4F5A-9E1B-C33A281B1A1D@cdt.org>

Sorry, meant to cc list.

On Nov 4, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Kevin Bankston wrote:

> "Internet Protocol and above"--I think you meant "Internet Protocol or above".  Otherwise this criteria would allow regulation of just the IP but not a higher layer, and would allow regulation of just a higher layer but not IP
> 
> Fixed a typo: "at a minimum", not "as a minimum"
> ____________________________________
> Kevin S. Bankston
> Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> 1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
> Washington, DC 20006
> 202.407.8834 direct
> 202.637.0968 fax
> kbankston at cdt.org
> 
> Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech
> 
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
> 
>> Dear all,
>> Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>> 
>> Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document: <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>> 
>> Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Pranesh
>> 
>> ====
>> 
>> Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012.
>> 
>> The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent, despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation. Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states to uphold and protect these values.
>> 
>> We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based, public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated such process for the WCIT itself.
>> 
>> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
>> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful public participation;
>> * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT meeting to the public;
>> * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with disabilities;
>> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website, so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they are made available;
>> * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation their national delegations;
>> * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>> 
>> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>> 
>> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications networks and interoperability standards.
>> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of the Internet Protocol and above.
>> * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and freedom of expression.
>> 
>> More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and effective competition.
>> 
>> Signed by:
>> 
>> ====
>> 
>> -- 
>> Pranesh Prakash
>> Policy Director
>> Centre for Internet and Society
>> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
>> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
>> <bestbits_wcit_statement.txt>
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From ceo at bnnrc.net  Sun Nov  4 04:03:27 2012
From: ceo at bnnrc.net (AHM Bazlur Rahman)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:03:27 +0600
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org>
References: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <CAEc4Ok_g_-aLu82Y2QPT6pheoAfiQiGyZzAvRCR5RhGWLGvH8w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Sir,
Pls include
Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC) in WCIT
Statement.


With best regards,

Bazlu
_______________________
AHM. Bazlur Rahman-S21BR
Chief Executive Officer
Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC)
[NGO in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social Council]
&
Head, Community Media Academy

House: 13/1, Road: 2, Shaymoli, Dhaka-1207  Bangladesh
Phone: +88-02-9130750, +88-02-9138501, Cell: +88 01711881647
Fax: 88-02-9138501-105,
E-mail: ceo at bnnrc.net, bnnr <bnnrc at bd.drik.net>cbd at gmail.com  www.bnnrc.net






On 4 November 2012 14:20, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
> Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating in
> a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning session on
> Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>
> Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this
> mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document: <
> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/**wcit_statement<http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>
> >.
>
> Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact
> that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive
> revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this mailing
> list only if you believe the drafters have committed an egregious mistake
> in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please do not leave
> comments on the Etherpad document.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> ====
>
> Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF
> meeting at Baku in 2012.
>
> The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications
> Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent,
> despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.
> Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the
> public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states to
> uphold and protect these values.
>
> We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World Conference
> on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this spirit.
> Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based, public
> consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated such
> process for the WCIT itself.
>
> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals available
> to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful public
> participation;
> * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT meeting
> to the public;
> * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including live
> webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as possible, to
> enable participation by all, including persons with disabilities;
> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as much
> documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website, so that
> civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they are made
> available;
> * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation
> their national delegations;
> * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
> their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>
> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be
> presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to any
> proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>
> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core mandate
> of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation is
> required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications
> networks and interoperability standards.
> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of the
> Internet Protocol and above.
> * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
> affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and
> freedom of expression.
>
> More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
> neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and
> effective competition.
>
> Signed by:
>
> ====
>
> --
> Pranesh Prakash
> Policy Director
> Centre for Internet and Society
> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
>
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From Andrew at global-partners.co.uk  Sun Nov  4 04:07:43 2012
From: Andrew at global-partners.co.uk (Andrew Puddephatt)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:07:43 +0000
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <84E53591-8098-4F5A-9E1B-C33A281B1A1D@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <CCBBDF96.1F96C%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>

These changes seem OK to me – the are clarifying the statement
Andrew Puddephatt, Director          Global Partners and Associates
Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
andrew at global-partners.co.uk<mailto:andrew at global-partners.co.uk>                  www.global-partners.co.uk<http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>

From: Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org<mailto:kbankston at cdt.org>>
Date: Sunday, 4 November 2012 08:47
To: "pranesh at cis-india.org<mailto:pranesh at cis-india.org>" <pranesh at cis-india.org<mailto:pranesh at cis-india.org>>, andrew Puddephatt <andrew at global-partners.co.uk<mailto:andrew at global-partners.co.uk>>
Cc: "bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>" <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>>
Subject: Re: WCIT Statement

Sorry, meant to cc list.

On Nov 4, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Kevin Bankston wrote:

"Internet Protocol and above"--I think you meant "Internet Protocol or above".  Otherwise this criteria would allow regulation of just the IP but not a higher layer, and would allow regulation of just a higher layer but not IP

Fixed a typo: "at a minimum", not "as a minimum"
____________________________________
Kevin S. Bankston
Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
202.407.8834 direct
202.637.0968 fax
kbankston at cdt.org<mailto:kbankston at cdt.org>

Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech

On Nov 4, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:

Dear all,
Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.

Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document: <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.

Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.

Regards,
Pranesh

====

Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012.

The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent, despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation. Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states to uphold and protect these values.

We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based, public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated such process for the WCIT itself.

In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
* All member states and regional groups to make their proposals available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful public participation;
* All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT meeting to the public;
* The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with disabilities;
* The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website, so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they are made available;
* Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation their national delegations;
* The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express their views, as was done during the WSIS process.

Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to any proposed revisions of the ITRs.

* That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications networks and interoperability standards.
* There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of the Internet Protocol and above.
* There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and freedom of expression.

More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and effective competition.

Signed by:

====

--
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org<http://cis-india.org/>
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
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From brett at accessnow.org  Sun Nov  4 04:06:11 2012
From: brett at accessnow.org (Brett Solomon)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 04:06:11 -0500
Subject: ITU Action Steps (Tactical)
Message-ID: <CAA5eo1KQy_jkGuRcMw70k-sg0CY-aNf0RNiqO2Wfh72bOphTEA@mail.gmail.com>

*TACTICAL BREAKOUT Session*

Best Bits Civil Society meeting in Baku (November 3-4)
****

* *
Below you will find the key strategic and tactical initiatives that were
discussed at the breakout session. The document is separated into three
sections: between now and WCIT; during WCIT; and post WCIT. This is not a
consensus document, rather a collation of ideas /strategies that were
proposed by individuals at the session. All are invited to be involved in
any of the actions below

*1. Between now and WCIT*


*a. Issue: Lack of civil society membership on delegations*
It’s important for civil society to be present at WCIT even if we can’t be
on the floor, to craft statements, convene breakfast meetings, suggest
draft language, be a resource to government reps and keep them in line
*Actions:*

   - Identify countries that are amenable to civil society membership
   - Find funding for civil society delegates to attend WCIT (we know that
   Global Partners, Internews, and Mozilla all have funding for this)
   - Prepare briefing materials for delegates to help them identify
   key/likely issues and potential approaches to draft language/responses
   - Consider attending as unaffiliated civil society if we can’t get on a
   delegation (it is useful to have a critical mass of unaffiliated civil
   society in Dubai)

*Who has civil society on their delegation (that we know about)?:* UK,
Sweden, US, Germany, Bangladesh, Canada, Australia
*Who could be open to having civil society participation on their
delegation:* Argentina, Uruguay, Kenya, Colombia, Brazil, Finland, Norway,
Netherlands, India, South Africa, Ghana, Nigeria, New Zealand, Senegal


*b. Issue: Influencing national positions prior to WCIT*
National positions are not yet set - there is still opportunity to
influence how countries will vote.
*Actions*:

   - Continue to request opportunities to participate in national
   consultations
   - Place opinion pieces in national publications to influence/represent
   public opinion
   - Use FFTF/Access video to spread awareness and create noise. It will be
   found at http://www.whatistheitu.org/
   - Push govts on open up to civil society and press

*
*

*c. Issue: Using the IGF to influence the 90 governments in attendance**
**Actions:*

   - All civil society at IGF should be using the opportunity to push
   member states present to keep IG out of the ITRs
   - Ask questions at every panels, approach informally etc, hand over
   materials, this will also help to ensure that this gets mentioned in the
   IGF outcome doc

* *

*2. During WCIT*

**

*a. Issue: Coordination among civil society during WCIT*
Create a community of empowered civil society advocates at WCIT; and
coordinate with non-affiliated CS; note that those on delegations are
limited in their capacity to act and this will need to be respected
*Actions:*

   - Create a Skype group or some other means for delegates to chat
   informally to check in on policy developments with folks back home and
   coordinate amongst civil society in Dubai
   - Develop ideal treaty language been drafted basically on what we want
   to see included / not included
   - Ensure that civil society that are there all know each other in
   advance and can coordinate
   - Reach out to technical community who will be in the room and
   coordinate during the WCIT (eg ISOC, LACNIC, APNIC,)
   - Coordinate among civ soc that are affiliated with delegates and those
   that are unaffiliated
   - Identify potential unaffiliated delegates (whose participation will be
   voted on on Day 1). It is worthwhile for independent civil society to go
   even if they can’t get on a del - this role is needed. Potential
   unaffiliated delegates:

      US/UK - Matthew Shears (confirmed?)

Africa - Mawaki Chango?; Jimson Olufuye?

Asia-Pacific - Pranesh

Latin America/ Caribbean – Brazil? (Marilia Maciel)

Russia/RCC

Europe

Arab States


*b. Issue: Reporting to outside world what is going on in the WCIT**
*Create communications mechanisms to ensure that those outside of the WCIT
are kept in touch and able to mobilize.
Actions:

 ·       Encourage member states to vote to open sessions to the public and
to live stream on UN WebTV.

·       Create a media kit and collate the media contacts prior to the
event. Identify foreign correspondents in the UAE or going to Dubai for
WCIT and target them by writing to major outlets ahead of time.

·       Post a daily blog post/WCIT Watch reporting on the biggest
issues/worst proposals/biggest challenges for civil society of the day
(given the limitations on speaking to the press that people on delegations
will face, this is a very important role for unaffiliated civil society
will play)

·       Unaffiliated civil society may want to consider getting press
accreditation (this was a useful tactic at WSIS and among other things
allowed for greater access to some documents)

·       Release a civil society statement on closing of event, to help
shape the media narrative (the lasting story will be determined within a
few hours of the last plenary adopting the final acts)



*c. Issue: Devil is in the detail*

The language agreed upon will be changed during WCIT and we may need to
have some creative actions

·       Should we consider a CS walkout if needed – OR even better a
walk-in?

·       Find a cartoonist or infographic artist who can produce visuals for
each day

·       WCIT Watch daily briefing should be printed out and put in WCIT
café and given to press

·       Livetweeting and #hashtag

·       Mobilize the internet to create actions including a internet
blackout style digital action



Having a group of dedicated civil society actors in other time zones (who
will ostensibly be more awake) to help review late night text changes.



Based on reports at the African IGF, it sounds like there will be regional
bloc negotiations on proposed revisions to the ITRs, and it’s possible that
unaffiliated civil society members may be allowed into these meetings.
Should find out which regional blocs would be amenable to this.



*3. Post WCIT *

**

a. *Issue: WCIT is not the end of the line*

WCIT is one step on the pathway; and we need to be prepared for the next
steps including WTPF, WTSA, ITU plenipot, WSIS +10, etc.*

***

·       Messaging: We will also be at all those other meetings, so don't
think you can kick the can down the road. Warn governments we are watching
them.

·       We must educate civil society about post-WCIT challenges and
position ourselves best in relation in these negotiations in the future and
not prejudice ourselves in other contexts

o   WTPF: There have been reports that the topic of the WTPF will be
internet governance. While WTPF does not result in a treaty, but
contributes to norm building, but it is unclear how receptive SG is to
comment from non-Sector Members

o   WSIS +10 evaluation in UNESCO (Feb) and ITU (2014).

·       Renewal of mandate of IGF is in 2015 will be a pure decision by
UNGA – this is a big concern

·       Get free ITU membership AFTER WCIT (ahead of WTPF) – all groups
should consider this

·       Need to clearly develop a position on - If not ITU, then who? A
literature review of current perspectives on a positive reform agenda would
be useful.





-- 
Brett Solomon
Executive Director | Access
accessnow.org | rightscon.org
+1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
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From kbankston at cdt.org  Sun Nov  4 04:10:02 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:10:02 +0400
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <CCBBDF96.1F96C%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>
References: <CCBBDF96.1F96C%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F09C69C3-9423-406A-AE48-3E2DA774742B@cdt.org>

Another note: I am very confused by the use of the word "indicated" in this sentence, not quite sure what we're trying to say:

"Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based, public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have  they **indicated** such process for the WCIT itself."
____________________________________
Kevin S. Bankston
Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
202.407.8834 direct
202.637.0968 fax
kbankston at cdt.org

Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech

On Nov 4, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Andrew Puddephatt wrote:

> These changes seem OK to me – the are clarifying the statement
> Andrew Puddephatt, Director          Global Partners and Associates
> 
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> andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk
> 
> 
> From: Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org>
> Date: Sunday, 4 November 2012 08:47
> To: "pranesh at cis-india.org" <pranesh at cis-india.org>, andrew Puddephatt <andrew at global-partners.co.uk>
> Cc: "bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org" <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Subject: Re: WCIT Statement
> 
> Sorry, meant to cc list.
> 
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Kevin Bankston wrote:
> 
>> "Internet Protocol and above"--I think you meant "Internet Protocol or above".  Otherwise this criteria would allow regulation of just the IP but not a higher layer, and would allow regulation of just a higher layer but not IP
>> 
>> Fixed a typo: "at a minimum", not "as a minimum"
>> ____________________________________
>> Kevin S. Bankston
>> Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
>> Center for Democracy & Technology
>> 1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
>> Washington, DC 20006
>> 202.407.8834 direct
>> 202.637.0968 fax
>> kbankston at cdt.org
>> 
>> Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>>> 
>>> Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document: <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>>> 
>>> Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Pranesh
>>> 
>>> ====
>>> 
>>> Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012.
>>> 
>>> The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent, despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation. Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states to uphold and protect these values.
>>> 
>>> We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based, public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated such process for the WCIT itself.
>>> 
>>> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
>>> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful public participation;
>>> * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT meeting to the public;
>>> * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with disabilities;
>>> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website, so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they are made available;
>>> * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation their national delegations;
>>> * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>>> 
>>> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>>> 
>>> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications networks and interoperability standards.
>>> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of the Internet Protocol and above.
>>> * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and freedom of expression.
>>> 
>>> More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and effective competition.
>>> 
>>> Signed by:
>>> 
>>> ====
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Pranesh Prakash
>>> Policy Director
>>> Centre for Internet and Society
>>> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
>>> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
>>> <bestbits_wcit_statement.txt>
>> 
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From kbankston at cdt.org  Sun Nov  4 04:20:44 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:20:44 +0400
Subject: Fwd: WCIT Statement
References: <6517E4C9-A9B0-43FB-8348-25C081C0D2A3@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <631777C5-19B5-4CA6-9B00-C2ECECCF1E40@cdt.org>

Figured this back and forth was relevant to the list.  We share Gene's concern.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org>
> Subject: Re: WCIT Statement
> Date: November 4, 2012 12:55:14 PM GMT+04:00
> To: Gene Kimmelman <genekimmelman at gmail.com>
> 
> I think yes.  We would prefer that it just be "the Internet".
> 
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Gene Kimmelman wrote:
> 
>> Is "or above" too vague?  Is it really generally known wh as t is up and what is down? I'm afraid this is too insider....
>> Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:
>> Sorry, meant to cc list.
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Kevin Bankston wrote:
>> 
>>> "Internet Protocol and above"--I think you meant "Internet Protocol or above".  Otherwise this criteria would allow regulation of just the IP but not a higher layer, and would allow regulation of just a higher layer but not IP
>>> 
>>> Fixed a typo: "at a minimum", not "as a minimum"
>>> ____________________________________
>>> Kevin S. Bankston
>>> Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
>>> Center for Democracy & Technology
>>> 1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
>>> Washington, DC 20006
>>> 202.407.8834 direct
>>> 202.637.0968 fax
>>> kbankston at cdt.org
>>> 
>>> Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech
>>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>>>> 
>>>> Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document: <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>>>> 
>>>> Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Pranesh
>>>> 
>>>> ====
>>>> 
>>>> Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012.
>>>> 
>>>> The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent, despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation. Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states to uphold and protect these values.
>>>> 
>>>> We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based, public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated such process for the WCIT itself.
>>>> 
>>>> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
>>>> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful public participation;
>>>> * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT meeting to the public;
>>>> * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with disabilities;
>>>> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website, so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they are made available;
>>>> * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation their national delegations;
>>>> * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>>>> 
>>>> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>>>> 
>>>> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications networks and interoperability standards.
>>>> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of the Internet Protocol and above.
>>>> * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and freedom of expression.
>>>> 
>>>> More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and effective competition.
>>>> 
>>>> Signed by:
>>>> 
>>>> ====
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Pranesh Prakash
>>>> Policy Director
>>>> Centre for Internet and Society
>>>> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
>>>> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
>>>> <bestbits_wcit_statement.txt>
>>> 
>> 
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From william.drake at uzh.ch  Sun Nov  4 04:22:29 2012
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:22:29 +0400
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org>
References: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <E0CF09B3-81BE-4E34-8667-6A5CAAF6797B@uzh.ch>

Hi

Congrats on the nice statement.  Since I alas can't be there today and am not a signatory organization and you understandably want to avoid further tweaks if possible, the below comments are probably just FWIW:

On Nov 4, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:

> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful public participation;

Did you not want to specifically state that because most have not seen the actual proposals, CS will be commenting further and ask that the ITU continue to post these on its website beyond this weekend's deadline?

> * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT meeting to the public;
> * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with disabilities;
> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website, so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they are made available;
> * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation their national delegations;
> * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
> 
> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
> 
> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications networks and interoperability standards.

A few concerns here.

*There is no such thing as a basic telecommunications network (unless you mean a telegraph or telex net).  There are basic telecommunications services, but that's different.

*It is not true that either the ITU or the ITRs are limited to basic telecommunications.  Most of the debates at the 1988 conference were precisely about how to treat non-basic telecom (i.e. "enhanced" in the US, "value-added" elsewhere), and hence about Articles 1.7 (the "any entity" authorization battle) and 9 (special arrangements).  Indeed, the ITU Secretariat contends that "all Internet traffic moves under Article 9."  

*There is effectively no real international regulation of telecom networks in the ITRs anymore, that was the point of WATTC-88; it moved to the GATS.

If it were me I'd just delete the second clause, but whatever.

> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of the Internet Protocol and above.

I'm not quite sure what it means to regulate a protocol, but if others are, great.

Cheers,

Bill


> * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and freedom of expression.
> 
> More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and effective competition.
> 
> Signed by:
> 
> ====
> 
> -- 
> Pranesh Prakash
> Policy Director
> Centre for Internet and Society
> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
> <bestbits_wcit_statement.txt>



From pranesh at cis-india.org  Sun Nov  4 04:29:17 2012
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 13:29:17 +0400
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <E0CF09B3-81BE-4E34-8667-6A5CAAF6797B@uzh.ch>
References: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org> <E0CF09B3-81BE-4E34-8667-6A5CAAF6797B@uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <5096356D.2060103@cis-india.org>

Dear Bill,
It is indeed unfortunate that you couldn't make it here today.

On Sunday 04 November 2012 01:22 PM, William Drake wrote:
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>
>> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
>> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful public participation;
>
> Did you not want to specifically state that because most have not seen the actual proposals, CS will be commenting further and ask that the ITU continue to post these on its website beyond this weekend's deadline?

Perhaps this is covered by the below bullet point on "documentation"?

>> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website, so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they are made available;


>> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>>
>> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications networks and interoperability standards.
>
> A few concerns here.
>
> *There is no such thing as a basic telecommunications network (unless you mean a telegraph or telex net).  There are basic telecommunications services, but that's different.
>
> *It is not true that either the ITU or the ITRs are limited to basic telecommunications.  Most of the debates at the 1988 conference were precisely about how to treat non-basic telecom (i.e. "enhanced" in the US, "value-added" elsewhere), and hence about Articles 1.7 (the "any entity" authorization battle) and 9 (special arrangements).  Indeed, the ITU Secretariat contends that "all Internet traffic moves under Article 9."
>
> *There is effectively no real international regulation of telecom networks in the ITRs anymore, that was the point of WATTC-88; it moved to the GATS.
>
> If it were me I'd just delete the second clause, but whatever.

The second clause being "where international regulations ... standards"?

>> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of the Internet Protocol and above.
>
> I'm not quite sure what it means to regulate a protocol, but if others are, great.

I am not happy with that phrasing either (and expressed it), but 
otherwise there was consensus.  I'm also unhappy that there is no noun 
after "above".


-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash

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From claudio at derechosdigitales.org  Fri Nov  2 17:50:25 2012
From: claudio at derechosdigitales.org (Claudio Ruiz)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:50:25 +0100
Subject: Best wishes for Best Bits without me
In-Reply-To: <CALCecM8qVvFfKvHCYMDGqju4P4_tcM6-wf5dmzaY3NRUJhvBmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9F46F06E-8BA5-471D-9167-1A72035F4D38@ciroap.org>
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Message-ID: <7A689315A84A41549510333E72C1958D@derechosdigitales.org>

I'm in the same situation. I'm in London because of my Baku flight was cancelled. I'm arriving tomorrow night.  

-c  


El viernes, 2 de noviembre de 2012 a las 12:58, Ginger Paque escribió:

> Sorry to hear this, Jeremy! However, I do think you have organized so well that, indeed, the meeting will be a great success and a solid, productive start to the IGF. See you online in remote participation!
>  
> Best wishes and safe travels to all.
> Ginger
>  
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>  
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu (mailto:VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu)
> Diplo Foundation
> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
> www.diplomacy.edu/ig (http://www.diplomacy.edu/ig)
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On 2 November 2012 06:23, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org (mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org)> wrote:
> > I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be staying until tomorrow having missed my connecting flight due to a flight delay. Therefore, I don't expect to be at Best Bits tomorrow.
> >  
> > Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally, but since my involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind the scenes, I don't expect that it need have any effect on the success of your discussions and deliberations tomorrow.
> >  
> > Andrew has the details of how to establish the web conference - though he may ask one of you to lend him your webcam-enabled computer to use for this - and so I may even be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I arrive in person.
> >  
> > All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing how you made this a great meeting in my absence.
> >  
> > --
> > Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> > Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
> > host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org (http://5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org)|awk -F! '{print $3}'
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From steve at openmedia.ca  Sun Nov  4 04:36:27 2012
From: steve at openmedia.ca (Steve Anderson)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 01:36:27 -0800
Subject: ITU Action Steps (Tactical)
In-Reply-To: <CAA5eo1KQy_jkGuRcMw70k-sg0CY-aNf0RNiqO2Wfh72bOphTEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA5eo1KQy_jkGuRcMw70k-sg0CY-aNf0RNiqO2Wfh72bOphTEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJOr_J6Dw9xr8EjQ-CGZrD=mFkrXUKJ_NZ017UcXvZZ1iL8Wmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, great to see all this... people should be aware of the ITU unity
statement that groups has already put together -- although a more detailed
policy statement is very much a good addition.

The following groups have signed the existing statement:

❯ Samuelson Glushko Canadian Internet Policy & Public Interest Clinic
(CIPPIC)
❯ Consumers International
❯ Human Rights Watch
❯ OpenMedia International
❯ Reporters Without Borders
❯ Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
❯ Access
❯ Mamfakinch
❯ Thai Netizen Network
❯ Fight For The Future
❯ May First/People Link
❯ FreePress
❯ Center for Democracy and Technology

 Please add your organizational name here:
http://protectinternetfreedom.net


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On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Brett Solomon <brett at accessnow.org> wrote:

> *TACTICAL BREAKOUT Session*
>
> Best Bits Civil Society meeting in Baku (November 3-4)
> ****
>
> * *
> Below you will find the key strategic and tactical initiatives that were
> discussed at the breakout session. The document is separated into three
> sections: between now and WCIT; during WCIT; and post WCIT. This is not a
> consensus document, rather a collation of ideas /strategies that were
> proposed by individuals at the session. All are invited to be involved in
> any of the actions below
>
> *1. Between now and WCIT*
>
>
> *a. Issue: Lack of civil society membership on delegations*
> It’s important for civil society to be present at WCIT even if we can’t be
> on the floor, to craft statements, convene breakfast meetings, suggest
> draft language, be a resource to government reps and keep them in line
> *Actions:*
>
>    - Identify countries that are amenable to civil society membership
>    - Find funding for civil society delegates to attend WCIT (we know
>    that Global Partners, Internews, and Mozilla all have funding for this)
>    - Prepare briefing materials for delegates to help them identify
>    key/likely issues and potential approaches to draft language/responses
>    - Consider attending as unaffiliated civil society if we can’t get on
>    a delegation (it is useful to have a critical mass of unaffiliated civil
>    society in Dubai)
>
> *Who has civil society on their delegation (that we know about)?:* UK,
> Sweden, US, Germany, Bangladesh, Canada, Australia
> *Who could be open to having civil society participation on their
> delegation:* Argentina, Uruguay, Kenya, Colombia, Brazil, Finland,
> Norway, Netherlands, India, South Africa, Ghana, Nigeria, New Zealand,
> Senegal
>
>
> *b. Issue: Influencing national positions prior to WCIT*
> National positions are not yet set - there is still opportunity to
> influence how countries will vote.
> *Actions*:
>
>    - Continue to request opportunities to participate in national
>    consultations
>    - Place opinion pieces in national publications to influence/represent
>    public opinion
>    - Use FFTF/Access video to spread awareness and create noise. It will
>    be found at http://www.whatistheitu.org/
>    - Push govts on open up to civil society and press
>
> *
> *
>
> *c. Issue: Using the IGF to influence the 90 governments in attendance**
> **Actions:*
>
>    - All civil society at IGF should be using the opportunity to push
>    member states present to keep IG out of the ITRs
>    - Ask questions at every panels, approach informally etc, hand over
>    materials, this will also help to ensure that this gets mentioned in the
>    IGF outcome doc
>
> * *
>
> *2. During WCIT*
>
> **
>
> *a. Issue: Coordination among civil society during WCIT*
> Create a community of empowered civil society advocates at WCIT; and
> coordinate with non-affiliated CS; note that those on delegations are
> limited in their capacity to act and this will need to be respected
> *Actions:*
>
>    - Create a Skype group or some other means for delegates to chat
>    informally to check in on policy developments with folks back home and
>    coordinate amongst civil society in Dubai
>    - Develop ideal treaty language been drafted basically on what we want
>    to see included / not included
>    - Ensure that civil society that are there all know each other in
>    advance and can coordinate
>    - Reach out to technical community who will be in the room and
>    coordinate during the WCIT (eg ISOC, LACNIC, APNIC,)
>    - Coordinate among civ soc that are affiliated with delegates and
>    those that are unaffiliated
>    - Identify potential unaffiliated delegates (whose participation will
>    be voted on on Day 1). It is worthwhile for independent civil society to go
>    even if they can’t get on a del - this role is needed. Potential
>    unaffiliated delegates:
>
>       US/UK - Matthew Shears (confirmed?)
>
> Africa - Mawaki Chango?; Jimson Olufuye?
>
> Asia-Pacific - Pranesh
>
> Latin America/ Caribbean – Brazil? (Marilia Maciel)
>
> Russia/RCC
>
> Europe
>
> Arab States
>
>
> *b. Issue: Reporting to outside world what is going on in the WCIT**
> *Create communications mechanisms to ensure that those outside of the
> WCIT are kept in touch and able to mobilize.
> Actions:
>
>  ·       Encourage member states to vote to open sessions to the public
> and to live stream on UN WebTV.
>
> ·       Create a media kit and collate the media contacts prior to the
> event. Identify foreign correspondents in the UAE or going to Dubai for
> WCIT and target them by writing to major outlets ahead of time.
>
> ·       Post a daily blog post/WCIT Watch reporting on the biggest
> issues/worst proposals/biggest challenges for civil society of the day
> (given the limitations on speaking to the press that people on delegations
> will face, this is a very important role for unaffiliated civil society
> will play)
>
> ·       Unaffiliated civil society may want to consider getting press
> accreditation (this was a useful tactic at WSIS and among other things
> allowed for greater access to some documents)
>
> ·       Release a civil society statement on closing of event, to help
> shape the media narrative (the lasting story will be determined within a
> few hours of the last plenary adopting the final acts)
>
>
>
> *c. Issue: Devil is in the detail*
>
> The language agreed upon will be changed during WCIT and we may need to
> have some creative actions
>
> ·       Should we consider a CS walkout if needed – OR even better a
> walk-in?
>
> ·       Find a cartoonist or infographic artist who can produce visuals
> for each day
>
> ·       WCIT Watch daily briefing should be printed out and put in WCIT
> café and given to press
>
> ·       Livetweeting and #hashtag
>
> ·       Mobilize the internet to create actions including a internet
> blackout style digital action
>
>
>
> Having a group of dedicated civil society actors in other time zones (who
> will ostensibly be more awake) to help review late night text changes.
>
>
>
> Based on reports at the African IGF, it sounds like there will be regional
> bloc negotiations on proposed revisions to the ITRs, and it’s possible that
> unaffiliated civil society members may be allowed into these meetings.
> Should find out which regional blocs would be amenable to this.
>
>
>
> *3. Post WCIT *
>
> **
>
> a. *Issue: WCIT is not the end of the line*
>
> WCIT is one step on the pathway; and we need to be prepared for the next
> steps including WTPF, WTSA, ITU plenipot, WSIS +10, etc.*
>
> ***
>
> ·       Messaging: We will also be at all those other meetings, so don't
> think you can kick the can down the road. Warn governments we are watching
> them.
>
> ·       We must educate civil society about post-WCIT challenges and
> position ourselves best in relation in these negotiations in the future and
> not prejudice ourselves in other contexts
>
> o   WTPF: There have been reports that the topic of the WTPF will be
> internet governance. While WTPF does not result in a treaty, but
> contributes to norm building, but it is unclear how receptive SG is to
> comment from non-Sector Members
>
> o   WSIS +10 evaluation in UNESCO (Feb) and ITU (2014).
>
> ·       Renewal of mandate of IGF is in 2015 will be a pure decision by
> UNGA – this is a big concern
>
> ·       Get free ITU membership AFTER WCIT (ahead of WTPF) – all groups
> should consider this
>
> ·       Need to clearly develop a position on - If not ITU, then who? A
> literature review of current perspectives on a positive reform agenda would
> be useful.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brett Solomon
> Executive Director | Access
> accessnow.org | rightscon.org
> +1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
> Key ID: 0x312B641A
> <http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?language=en&id=42>
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From anriette at apc.org  Sun Nov  4 05:02:35 2012
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 12:02:35 +0200
Subject: APC submission to ITU on WCIT
Message-ID: <50963D3B.4070600@apc.org>


-- 
------------------------------------------------------
anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org
executive director, association for progressive communications
www.apc.org
po box 29755, melville 2109
south africa
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From anja at internetdemocracy.in  Sun Nov  4 06:01:57 2012
From: anja at internetdemocracy.in (Anja Kovacs)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 16:31:57 +0530
Subject: Submission to ITU by 5 Indian civil society organisations
Message-ID: <CAJqNAHA4T3MOjVn3T9sQQ8ieG7d7SYKZ6xnDyu3gqewE_=a8Qw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

Please find below the statement that 5 Indian civil society organisations
jointly submitted to the ITU Public Comments system yesterday.

Best regards,
Anja

We, the undersigned civil society organisations from India, respectfully
acknowledge the important role that the ITU has played in the spread of
telecommunications around the world. However, we are concerned about the
lack of transparency and openness of the processes related to the WCIT: the
WCIT/ITU excludes civil society, academia and other stakeholders from
participation in and access to most dialogues and documents.  The documents
that are publicly available show that some of the proposals might deal with
Internet governance. According to established principles as laid down in
the Tunis Agenda - which process the ITU helped to lead - Internet
governance processes are required to be multistakeholder in nature. The
WCIT and ITU processes require urgent improvement with regard to openness,
inclusiveness and transparency. While we appreciate the current opportunity
to share our comments, we would like to encourage the ITU and its Member
States to adopt a genuine multistakeholder approach at the earliest.


As mentioned, we do welcome the current opportunity to share our thoughts.
Though this list is not exhaustive, some of our major concerns are as
follows:


We believe that, given the historical development of present methods of
internet regulation, aspects of Internet governance that have been and are
presently addressed by bodies other than ITU should not be brought under
the mandate of the ITU through the ITRs.


We therefore strongly recommend that the ITRs continue to be restricted to
aspects of the physical layer that have traditionally been the areas of its
focus. The ITRs scope should not be expanded to other layers, nor to
content - any measure that impinges on these layers should be kept out of
ITRs and taken up at other appropriate (multi-stakeholder) fora. In
addition, it is crucial that “ICTs” and the term “processing” be excluded
from the definition of telecommunication as this clearly opens up the
possibility for Member States to regulate/attempt to regulate the
“content/“application” layer on the internet at the ITU.


We also recommend that provisions regarding international naming,
numbering, addressing and identification resources will be restricted to
telephony, as should provisions regarding transit rate, originating
identification and end-to-end QoS. Provisions regarding the routing of
Internet traffic should not find a place in the ITRs at all.


We recognise that concerns regarding cyber security, spam, fraud, etc. are
real and that some of these concerns require to be addressed at the global
level. However, as these are being discussed in many other fora, we believe
that the ITRs are not the best place to address these. Their inclusion here
could inhibit the further evolution and expansion of the Internet. We also
believe that any fora discussing cyber security should be multistakeholder,
open and transparent.


We note that the proposal ARB/7/24 defines an “operating agency” as “*any
individual, company, corporation or governmental agency which operates a
telecommunication installation intended for an international
telecommunication service or capable of causing harmful interference with
such a service*” and believe that this definition is too broad in scope and
ambit. Inclusion of such a term would broaden the mandate of the ITU to
regulate numerous actors in the Internet sphere who do not fall under the
infrastructure layer of the Internet. The term “operating agency” should be
defined in a narrower or more restrictive manner and, irrespective of its
exact definition, only be used in exceptional cases. Normally, the
obligations of member states should be with respect to “recognised
operating agencies” and not omnibus all “operating agencies”.


Signed:

Centre for Internet and Society

Delhi Science Forum

Free Software Movement India

Internet Democracy Project

Knowledge Commons

(India)


-- 
Dr. Anja Kovacs
The Internet Democracy Project

+91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs
www.internetdemocracy.in
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From ceo at bnnrc.net  Sun Nov  4 06:29:09 2012
From: ceo at bnnrc.net (AHM Bazlur Rahman)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 17:29:09 +0600
Subject: Regarding Including Civil society to World Conference on
 International Telecommunications (WCIT) in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, from
 3-14 December 2012 with Bangladesh Delegation
Message-ID: <CAEc4Ok8QwLCQ1jW=y5JcxiKXXR8sqvmbPJx=qRsS1TN8eAZ59g@mail.gmail.com>

5 November, 2012

To
*Advocate Sahara Khatun*
Hon’ble Minister
Ministry of Posts & Telecommunications
Bangladesh Secretariat
Dhaka 1000

Subject: *Regarding Including us to World Conference on International
Telecommunications (WCIT) in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, from 3-14
December 2012 with Bangladesh Delegation*

*Dear Hon’ble Minister,*
Greetings from Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC)
BNNRC is in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social
Council & accredited with UN World Summit on Information Society (UN WSIS).

BNNRC is a national networking body working for building a democratic
society based on the principles of free flow of information, equitable &
affordable access to Information & Communication Technology for Development
(ICT4D) of remote & marginalized population through;

*Right to Information for ensuring improved livelihood of the marginalized *
*ICT for Development for Bridging the Digital Divide in rural areas*
*Community Radio/Community Television for amplifying voices for the
voiceless & Amateur Radio for Disaster Risk Reduction & Telecommunication
for Empowerment *

*Dear Hon’ble Minister,*
We write to express our desire to participate in an open public national
consultation and Bangladesh Delegation as the government of Bangladesh
prepares for the World Conference on International Telecommunications
(WCIT) in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, from 3-14 December 2012.

As you may be aware, the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) has
historically played an important role in the areas of spectrum management,
telecommunications regulation, and promoting the use of information and
telecommunications technology for development. Yet, we have great concerns
regarding the transparency of the WCIT preparatory process and some of the
proposed revisions to the International Telecommunication Regulations
(ITRs) currently being considered by some ITU member states which could
expand the scope of the ITRs to include issues of internet policy.

The continued success of the internet depends on the full, equal, and
meaningful participation of multiple stakeholders in technical management
of and decision-making for information and communications technology.

Indeed, the Bangladesh government made a commitment to a multi-stakeholder
approach to information and communications technology management and
decision-making at the UN World Summit on Information Society (UN WSIS)

In line with the WSIS commitments, we respectfully request an open,
transparent, and inclusive national consultation to solicit input on
proposed amendments to the ITRs from all relevant stakeholders.
To this end, we ask that you release all of Bangladesh proposed revisions
to the ITRs for public debate and clarify your stance on whether the scope
of the ITRs should be expanded to include areas of internet policy making.

We are particularly concerned with proposals that could impact the exercise
of human rights in the digital age, including freedom of expression, access
to information, and privacy rights, as well as those that would undermine
the openness and integrity of the global internet. We recall the recent UN
Human Rights Council resolution which asserted that governments have a duty
to protect human rights online.

The undersigned Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC)
welcome the opportunity to engage with Bangladesh delegation in the
preparatory process and at the WCIT itself, consistent with the WSIS
commitments.

We urge you to ensure the outcomes of the WCIT truly represent the common
interests of all who have a stake in the future of our information society.
We hope that we can work together to address these issues in an inclusive
and transparent manner.

We look forward to a formal response to this letter.
With best regards,


*
*
*AHM. Bazlur Rahman-S21BR*
Chief Executive Officer
Bangladesh NGOs Network for
Radio and Communication
Cc:
*Mr. Hasanul Huq Inu, MP*
Hon’ble Minister, Ministry of Information

*Md. Abu Bakar Siddique, *
Secretary, Ministry of Posts & Telecommunications

*Mr. Sunil Kanti Bose*
Chairman, Bangladesh Telecommunication
Regulatory Commission (BTRC)
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From kbankston at cdt.org  Sun Nov  4 06:30:55 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:30:55 +0400
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
Message-ID: <27D5612D-2DDE-4F9B-BEC8-00A9483CE602@cdt.org>

Seeing that Jeremy publicly tweeted a link to the etherpad doc earlier, I'm wondering whether we can I/we go ahead and tweet that we reached consensus?  Invite others to join (via what process)?  We may want to figure out how to try to maximize signers before we submit later today.
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Center for Democracy & Technology
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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Sun Nov  4 06:31:08 2012
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:31:08 +0400
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org>
References: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <509651FC.8080401@cis-india.org>

Dear all,
The participants in Baku decided to incorporate small revisions without 
re-opening the entire text.  Here's the final version:

http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement

Currently, we have 10 organizations that are signatories to it:

Access (Brett Solomon)
Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (AHM. Bazlur Rahman)
Centre for Internet and Society (Pranesh Prakash)
Center for Democracy & Technology
Consumers International
Electronic Frontier Finland (Tapani Tarvainen)
Global Partners & Associates (Andrew Puddephatt)
InternetNZ
ONG Derechos Digitales (Claudio Ruiz)
OpenMedia (Steve Anderson)

As far as I can see, we have until the 7th before we close signatories 
and endorsements.  (These two words are being used to distinguish 
between those who participated in framing it and those who agree with it.)

Given that anyone can edit the document, if you are adding your 
organization's name, I would request you to write your name in 
parentheses.  We can decide later that we wish to remove names from all 
organizations.

Regards,
Pranesh

Pranesh Prakash wrote [2012-11-04 12:20]:
> Dear all,
> Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating
> in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning
> session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>
> Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this
> mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document:
> <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>
> Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact
> that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive
> revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this
> mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an
> egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please
> do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> ====
>
> Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF
> meeting at Baku in 2012.
>
> The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications
> Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent,
> despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.
> Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the
> public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states
> to uphold and protect these values.
>
> We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
> Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this
> spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based,
> public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated
> such process for the WCIT itself.
>
> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals
> available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful
> public participation;
> * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT
> meeting to the public;
> * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including
> live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as
> possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
> disabilities;
> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as
> much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website,
> so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they
> are made available;
> * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation
> their national delegations;
> * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
> their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>
> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be
> presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to
> any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>
> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core
> mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation
> is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications
> networks and interoperability standards.
> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of
> the Internet Protocol and above.
> * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
> affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and
> freedom of expression.
>
> More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
> neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and
> effective competition.
>
> Signed by:
>
> ====
>


-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash

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From dbu at donnybu.com  Sun Nov  4 06:38:50 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (donny b.u.)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:38:50 +0000
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <509651FC.8080401@cis-india.org>
References: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org>
  <509651FC.8080401@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <1952768391-1352029131-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-813861865-@b25.c1.bise3.blackberry>

I can't get connected to the internet in the meeting room.

How I can do the sign?

ICT Watch Indonesia (Donny B.U.)


-dbu-

e: dbu at donnybu.com | t: @donnybu | f: donnybu | w: donnybu.com | p: +62818930932

-----Original Message-----
From: Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>
Sender: bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:31:08 
To: Best Bits<bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject: Re: WCIT Statement

Dear all,
The participants in Baku decided to incorporate small revisions without 
re-opening the entire text.  Here's the final version:

http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement

Currently, we have 10 organizations that are signatories to it:

Access (Brett Solomon)
Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (AHM. Bazlur Rahman)
Centre for Internet and Society (Pranesh Prakash)
Center for Democracy & Technology
Consumers International
Electronic Frontier Finland (Tapani Tarvainen)
Global Partners & Associates (Andrew Puddephatt)
InternetNZ
ONG Derechos Digitales (Claudio Ruiz)
OpenMedia (Steve Anderson)

As far as I can see, we have until the 7th before we close signatories 
and endorsements.  (These two words are being used to distinguish 
between those who participated in framing it and those who agree with it.)

Given that anyone can edit the document, if you are adding your 
organization's name, I would request you to write your name in 
parentheses.  We can decide later that we wish to remove names from all 
organizations.

Regards,
Pranesh

Pranesh Prakash wrote [2012-11-04 12:20]:
> Dear all,
> Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating
> in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning
> session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>
> Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this
> mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document:
> <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>
> Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact
> that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive
> revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this
> mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an
> egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please
> do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> ====
>
> Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF
> meeting at Baku in 2012.
>
> The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications
> Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent,
> despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.
> Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the
> public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states
> to uphold and protect these values.
>
> We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
> Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this
> spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based,
> public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated
> such process for the WCIT itself.
>
> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals
> available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful
> public participation;
> * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT
> meeting to the public;
> * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including
> live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as
> possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
> disabilities;
> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as
> much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website,
> so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they
> are made available;
> * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation
> their national delegations;
> * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
> their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>
> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be
> presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to
> any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>
> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core
> mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation
> is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications
> networks and interoperability standards.
> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of
> the Internet Protocol and above.
> * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
> affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and
> freedom of expression.
>
> More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
> neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and
> effective competition.
>
> Signed by:
>
> ====
>


-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash



From joonas.makinen at effi.org  Sun Nov  4 06:42:55 2012
From: joonas.makinen at effi.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Joonas_M=C3=A4kinen?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:42:55 +0200
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
In-Reply-To: <27D5612D-2DDE-4F9B-BEC8-00A9483CE602@cdt.org>
References: <27D5612D-2DDE-4F9B-BEC8-00A9483CE602@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <CAHWs5gwkKz1inM3eAFqeDp68vZN-q_fmBKSOKCQ9kQNXvmnpqA@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to start throwing the link around also. Shall we wait till the end
of the day?

2012/11/4 Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org>

> Seeing that Jeremy publicly tweeted a link to the etherpad doc earlier,
> I'm wondering whether we can I/we go ahead and tweet that we reached
> consensus?  Invite others to join (via what process)?  We may want to
> figure out how to try to maximize signers before we submit later today.
>     ____________________________________
> Kevin S. Bankston
> Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> 1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
> Washington, DC 20006
> 202.407.8834 direct
> 202.637.0968 fax
> kbankston at cdt.org
>
> Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech
>
>


-- 
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From Andrew at global-partners.co.uk  Sun Nov  4 06:49:07 2012
From: Andrew at global-partners.co.uk (Andrew Puddephatt)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:49:07 +0000
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
In-Reply-To: <27D5612D-2DDE-4F9B-BEC8-00A9483CE602@cdt.org>
References: <27D5612D-2DDE-4F9B-BEC8-00A9483CE602@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <972F107A-5081-4299-938D-43FD0A2A1D69@global-partners.co.uk>

I think we should give ourselves a bit if time to get the signatures, at least for people in the room, and issue the report public ally tomorrow.  Thoughts?

Andrew Puddephatt
Andrew at global-partners.co.uk<mailto:Andrew at global-partners.co.uk>
+44 (0)7713399597
www.global-partners.co.uk<http://www.global-partners.co.uk>
Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Nov 2012, at 15:34, "Kevin Bankston" <kbankston at cdt.org<mailto:kbankston at cdt.org>> wrote:

Seeing that Jeremy publicly tweeted a link to the etherpad doc earlier, I'm wondering whether we can I/we go ahead and tweet that we reached consensus?  Invite others to join (via what process)?  We may want to figure out how to try to maximize signers before we submit later today.
____________________________________
Kevin S. Bankston
Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
202.407.8834 direct
202.637.0968 fax
kbankston at cdt.org<mailto:kbankston at cdt.org>

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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Sun Nov  4 06:53:50 2012
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:53:50 +0400
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
In-Reply-To: <27D5612D-2DDE-4F9B-BEC8-00A9483CE602@cdt.org>
References: <27D5612D-2DDE-4F9B-BEC8-00A9483CE602@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <5096574E.8000709@cis-india.org>

Kevin Bankston wrote [2012-11-04 15:30]:
> We may
> want to figure out how to try to maximize signers before we submit
> later today.

I think we have till the 7th of November (Wednesday) to submit, and 
would suggest that we keep it open till then.

We can wait till we finish with the signatories (tonight) before sending 
it out for endorsements.

-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash

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From brett at accessnow.org  Fri Nov  2 18:35:52 2012
From: brett at accessnow.org (Brett Solomon)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 18:35:52 -0400
Subject: Best wishes for Best Bits without me
In-Reply-To: <7A689315A84A41549510333E72C1958D@derechosdigitales.org>
References: <9F46F06E-8BA5-471D-9167-1A72035F4D38@ciroap.org>
	<CALCecM8qVvFfKvHCYMDGqju4P4_tcM6-wf5dmzaY3NRUJhvBmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7A689315A84A41549510333E72C1958D@derechosdigitales.org>
Message-ID: <CAA5eo1+Bikiq9SwRHifsDBs0w10OJEZHh3G0fLKENh7Hxr2UEQ@mail.gmail.com>

 I just got here (18 hours late) - the visa situation was interesting, but
got through unscathed. Now to brave the taxis at 2am :) Brett

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Claudio Ruiz
<claudio at derechosdigitales.org>wrote:

> I'm in the same situation. I'm in London because of my Baku flight was
> cancelled. I'm arriving tomorrow night.
>
> -c
>
> El viernes, 2 de noviembre de 2012 a las 12:58, Ginger Paque escribió:
>
> Sorry to hear this, Jeremy! However, I do think you have organized so well
> that, indeed, the meeting will be a great success and a solid, productive
> start to the IGF. See you online in remote participation!
>
> Best wishes and safe travels to all.
> Ginger
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
> Diplo Foundation
> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
> **
> **
>
>
>
> On 2 November 2012 06:23, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>
> I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be staying until
> tomorrow having missed my connecting flight due to a flight delay.
> Therefore, I don't expect to be at Best Bits tomorrow.
>
> Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally, but since my
> involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind the scenes, I don't expect
> that it need have any effect on the success of your discussions and
> deliberations tomorrow.
>
> Andrew has the details of how to establish the web conference - though he
> may ask one of you to lend him your webcam-enabled computer to use for this
> - and so I may even be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I
> arrive in person.
>
> All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing how you made
> this a great meeting in my absence.
>
> --
> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>
>
>
>


-- 
Brett Solomon
Executive Director | Access
accessnow.org | rightscon.org
+1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
Key ID: 0x312B641A
<http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?language=en&id=42>
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Sun Nov  4 06:58:01 2012
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 17:28:01 +0530
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <509651FC.8080401@cis-india.org>
References: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org> <509651FC.8080401@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <50965849.4010302@itforchange.net>

IT for Change would like to sign it.


On Sunday 04 November 2012 05:01 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
> Dear all,
> The participants in Baku decided to incorporate small revisions 
> without re-opening the entire text.  Here's the final version:
>
> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement
>
> Currently, we have 10 organizations that are signatories to it:
>
> Access (Brett Solomon)
> Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (AHM. Bazlur Rahman)
> Centre for Internet and Society (Pranesh Prakash)
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> Consumers International
> Electronic Frontier Finland (Tapani Tarvainen)
> Global Partners & Associates (Andrew Puddephatt)
> InternetNZ
> ONG Derechos Digitales (Claudio Ruiz)
> OpenMedia (Steve Anderson)
>
> As far as I can see, we have until the 7th before we close signatories 
> and endorsements.  (These two words are being used to distinguish 
> between those who participated in framing it and those who agree with 
> it.)
>
> Given that anyone can edit the document, if you are adding your 
> organization's name, I would request you to write your name in 
> parentheses.  We can decide later that we wish to remove names from 
> all organizations.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> Pranesh Prakash wrote [2012-11-04 12:20]:
>> Dear all,
>> Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating
>> in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning
>> session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>>
>> Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this
>> mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document:
>> <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>>
>> Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact
>> that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive
>> revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this
>> mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an
>> egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please
>> do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pranesh
>>
>> ====
>>
>> Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF
>> meeting at Baku in 2012.
>>
>> The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications
>> Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent,
>> despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.
>> Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the
>> public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states
>> to uphold and protect these values.
>>
>> We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
>> Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this
>> spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based,
>> public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated
>> such process for the WCIT itself.
>>
>> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
>> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals
>> available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful
>> public participation;
>> * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT
>> meeting to the public;
>> * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including
>> live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as
>> possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
>> disabilities;
>> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as
>> much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website,
>> so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they
>> are made available;
>> * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation
>> their national delegations;
>> * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
>> their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>>
>> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be
>> presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to
>> any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>>
>> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core
>> mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation
>> is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications
>> networks and interoperability standards.
>> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of
>> the Internet Protocol and above.
>> * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
>> affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and
>> freedom of expression.
>>
>> More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
>> neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and
>> effective competition.
>>
>> Signed by:
>>
>> ====
>>
>
>

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From gpaque at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 07:24:31 2012
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 06:24:31 -0600
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <50965849.4010302@itforchange.net>
References: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org> <509651FC.8080401@cis-india.org> <50965849.4010302@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <CALCecM8knKBmR4OwwDYMr8AepP7s-N48cPaaM52bAeqLWzacAw@mail.gmail.com>

I just heard Jeremy say (I think) that individuals can now sign. How do we
go about doing this if we are remote?

Tx. Ginger

Ginger (Virginia) Paque

VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
www.diplomacy.edu/ig
**
**



On 4 November 2012 05:58, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

>  IT for Change would like to sign it.
>
>
>  On Sunday 04 November 2012 05:01 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> The participants in Baku decided to incorporate small revisions without
> re-opening the entire text.  Here's the final version:
>
> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement
>
> Currently, we have 10 organizations that are signatories to it:
>
> Access (Brett Solomon)
> Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (AHM. Bazlur Rahman)
> Centre for Internet and Society (Pranesh Prakash)
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> Consumers International
> Electronic Frontier Finland (Tapani Tarvainen)
> Global Partners & Associates (Andrew Puddephatt)
> InternetNZ
> ONG Derechos Digitales (Claudio Ruiz)
> OpenMedia (Steve Anderson)
>
> As far as I can see, we have until the 7th before we close signatories and
> endorsements.  (These two words are being used to distinguish between those
> who participated in framing it and those who agree with it.)
>
> Given that anyone can edit the document, if you are adding your
> organization's name, I would request you to write your name in
> parentheses.  We can decide later that we wish to remove names from all
> organizations.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> Pranesh Prakash wrote [2012-11-04 12:20]:
>
> Dear all,
> Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating
> in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning
> session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>
> Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this
> mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document:
> <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement><http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>
>
> Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact
> that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive
> revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this
> mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an
> egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please
> do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> ====
>
> Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF
> meeting at Baku in 2012.
>
> The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications
> Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent,
> despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.
> Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the
> public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states
> to uphold and protect these values.
>
> We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
> Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this
> spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based,
> public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated
> such process for the WCIT itself.
>
> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals
> available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful
> public participation;
> * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT
> meeting to the public;
> * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including
> live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as
> possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
> disabilities;
> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as
> much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website,
> so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they
> are made available;
> * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation
> their national delegations;
> * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
> their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>
> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be
> presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to
> any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>
> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core
> mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation
> is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications
> networks and interoperability standards.
> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of
> the Internet Protocol and above.
> * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
> affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and
> freedom of expression.
>
> More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
> neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and
> effective competition.
>
> Signed by:
>
> ====
>
>
>
>
>
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From gpaque at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 07:27:25 2012
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 06:27:25 -0600
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <50965849.4010302@itforchange.net>
References: <5096253A.7060600@cis-india.org> <509651FC.8080401@cis-india.org> <50965849.4010302@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <CALCecM86KHun0of8VGRYwrqLgwoOWeQ+CM1EahmNTa=KKOehkQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to sign as an individual. Thanks. Ginger

Ginger (Virginia) Paque

VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
www.diplomacy.edu/ig
**
**



On 4 November 2012 05:58, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

>  IT for Change would like to sign it.
>
>
>  On Sunday 04 November 2012 05:01 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> The participants in Baku decided to incorporate small revisions without
> re-opening the entire text.  Here's the final version:
>
> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement
>
> Currently, we have 10 organizations that are signatories to it:
>
> Access (Brett Solomon)
> Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (AHM. Bazlur Rahman)
> Centre for Internet and Society (Pranesh Prakash)
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> Consumers International
> Electronic Frontier Finland (Tapani Tarvainen)
> Global Partners & Associates (Andrew Puddephatt)
> InternetNZ
> ONG Derechos Digitales (Claudio Ruiz)
> OpenMedia (Steve Anderson)
>
> As far as I can see, we have until the 7th before we close signatories and
> endorsements.  (These two words are being used to distinguish between those
> who participated in framing it and those who agree with it.)
>
> Given that anyone can edit the document, if you are adding your
> organization's name, I would request you to write your name in
> parentheses.  We can decide later that we wish to remove names from all
> organizations.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> Pranesh Prakash wrote [2012-11-04 12:20]:
>
> Dear all,
> Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating
> in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning
> session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>
> Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this
> mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document:
> <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement><http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>
>
> Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact
> that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive
> revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this
> mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an
> egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please
> do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> ====
>
> Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF
> meeting at Baku in 2012.
>
> The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications
> Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent,
> despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.
> Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the
> public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states
> to uphold and protect these values.
>
> We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
> Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this
> spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based,
> public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated
> such process for the WCIT itself.
>
> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals
> available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful
> public participation;
> * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT
> meeting to the public;
> * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including
> live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as
> possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
> disabilities;
> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as
> much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website,
> so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they
> are made available;
> * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation
> their national delegations;
> * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
> their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>
> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be
> presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to
> any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>
> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core
> mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation
> is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications
> networks and interoperability standards.
> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of
> the Internet Protocol and above.
> * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
> affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and
> freedom of expression.
>
> More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
> neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and
> effective competition.
>
> Signed by:
>
> ====
>
>
>
>
>
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From ca at cafonso.ca  Sun Nov  4 07:41:35 2012
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 16:41:35 +0400
Subject: WCIT Statement
Message-ID: <b4ntx774keu30yo14xyl4sv0.1352032777309@email.android.com>

Hi Pranesh, please add as signatory Instituto Nupef, Rio de Janeiro (Carlos A. Afonso).

frt rgds

--c.a.

Carlos A. AfonsoPranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org> escreveu:Dear all,
The participants in Baku decided to incorporate small revisions without 
re-opening the entire text.  Here's the final version:

http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement

Currently, we have 10 organizations that are signatories to it:

Access (Brett Solomon)
Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (AHM. Bazlur Rahman)
Centre for Internet and Society (Pranesh Prakash)
Center for Democracy & Technology
Consumers International
Electronic Frontier Finland (Tapani Tarvainen)
Global Partners & Associates (Andrew Puddephatt)
InternetNZ
ONG Derechos Digitales (Claudio Ruiz)
OpenMedia (Steve Anderson)

As far as I can see, we have until the 7th before we close signatories 
and endorsements.  (These two words are being used to distinguish 
between those who participated in framing it and those who agree with it.)

Given that anyone can edit the document, if you are adding your 
organization's name, I would request you to write your name in 
parentheses.  We can decide later that we wish to remove names from all 
organizations.

Regards,
Pranesh

Pranesh Prakash wrote [2012-11-04 12:20]:
> Dear all,
> Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating
> in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning
> session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>
> Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this
> mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document:
> <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>
> Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact
> that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive
> revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this
> mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an
> egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please
> do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> ====
>
> Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF
> meeting at Baku in 2012.
>
> The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications
> Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent,
> despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.
> Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the
> public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states
> to uphold and protect these values.
>
> We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
> Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this
> spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based,
> public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated
> such process for the WCIT itself.
>
> In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
> * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals
> available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful
> public participation;
> * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT
> meeting to the public;
> * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including
> live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as
> possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
> disabilities;
> * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as
> much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website,
> so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they
> are made available;
> * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation
> their national delegations;
> * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
> their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>
> Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be
> presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to
> any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>
> * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core
> mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation
> is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications
> networks and interoperability standards.
> * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of
> the Internet Protocol and above.
> * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
> affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and
> freedom of expression.
>
> More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
> neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and
> effective competition.
>
> Signed by:
>
> ====
>


-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash

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From gpaque at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 08:43:50 2012
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:43:50 -0600
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <b4ntx774keu30yo14xyl4sv0.1352032777309@email.android.com>
References: <b4ntx774keu30yo14xyl4sv0.1352032777309@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CALCecM8x7xwUuKrX=Vg+kdfOdaOSiKjHc=7uQ=J0_i2igdUj6w@mail.gmail.com>

Great comments and voices at the Best Bits meeting. Anriette: not just
great ideas, great voices 'around the room'. What about people listening
online? One of the Best Bits, strategies, useful paths to working together
(listening to the current speaker) is that the next meeting should include
those who cannot be in the room! Email, Twitter, Skype--even the occasional
acknowledgement from a speaker or moderator. Wonderful discussions! I do
hope a wider range of civil society will be included as possible. Thanks.
Ginger

Ginger (Virginia) Paque

VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
www.diplomacy.edu/ig
**
**



On 4 November 2012 06:41, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:

> Hi Pranesh, please add as signatory Instituto Nupef, Rio de Janeiro
> (Carlos A. Afonso).
>
> frt rgds
>
> --c.a.
>
> Carlos A. Afonso
>
> Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org> escreveu:
> Dear all,
> The participants in Baku decided to incorporate small revisions without
> re-opening the entire text.  Here's the final version:
>
> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement
>
> Currently, we have 10 organizations that are signatories to it:
>
> Access (Brett Solomon)
> Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (AHM. Bazlur Rahman)
> Centre for Internet and Society (Pranesh Prakash)
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> Consumers International
> Electronic Frontier Finland (Tapani Tarvainen)
> Global Partners & Associates (Andrew Puddephatt)
> InternetNZ
> ONG Derechos Digitales (Claudio Ruiz)
> OpenMedia (Steve Anderson)
>
> As far as I can see, we have until the 7th before we close signatories
> and endorsements.  (These two words are being used to distinguish
> between those who participated in framing it and those who agree with it.)
>
> Given that anyone can edit the document, if you are adding your
> organization's name, I would request you to write your name in
> parentheses.  We can decide later that we wish to remove names from all
> organizations.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> Pranesh Prakash wrote [2012-11-04 12:20]:
> > Dear all,
> > Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating
> > in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning
> > session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
> >
> > Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this
> > mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document:
> > <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
> >
> > Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact
> > that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive
> > revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this
> > mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an
> > egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please
> > do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Pranesh
> >
> > ====
> >
> > Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF
> > meeting at Baku in 2012.
> >
> > The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications
> > Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent,
> > despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.
> > Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the
> > public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states
> > to uphold and protect these values.
> >
> > We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
> > Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this
> > spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based,
> > public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated
> > such process for the WCIT itself.
> >
> > In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
> > * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals
> > available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful
> > public participation;
> > * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT
> > meeting to the public;
> > * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including
> > live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as
> > possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
> > disabilities;
> > * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as
> > much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website,
> > so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they
> > are made available;
> > * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation
> > their national delegations;
> > * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
> > their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
> >
> > Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be
> > presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to
> > any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
> >
> > * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core
> > mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation
> > is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications
> > networks and interoperability standards.
> > * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of
> > the Internet Protocol and above.
> > * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
> > affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and
> > freedom of expression.
> >
> > More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
> > neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and
> > effective competition.
> >
> > Signed by:
> >
> > ====
> >
>
>
> --
> Pranesh Prakash
> Policy Director
> Centre for Internet and Society
> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
>
>
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From gpaque at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 09:01:13 2012
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:01:13 -0600
Subject: Signing on to the statement
Message-ID: <CALCecM_pDu6oBFqhhgDTsq1OXa5ReKp5SwksVih9ecLawuhkyw@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations on a great meeting for best bits. Discussions were
substantive and excellent. Please add my name as a signer to the statement.

For those who were not there, please note that they probably don't really
mean to limit inclusion to 'everyone in this room' and 'those in this
room', even though they continuously used this phrase. This is a point we
still need to learn. We all must start including those who are not in the
room, and those of us who are not in the room, have to start including
ourselves.  Jump in everyone, jump up and down till they notice us!

Join us at WS 52 Remote Participation: Reality and Principles on Day 4, or
add your contribution to the etherpad statement.

See you online! (even though they just turned the camera off in the Best
Bits room).

Thanks for the good bits, lets work on the rest!
Regards,
Ginger

Ginger (Virginia) Paque

VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
www.diplomacy.edu/ig
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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Sun Nov  4 09:36:56 2012
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:36:56 +0400
Subject: Signing on to the statement
In-Reply-To: <CALCecM_pDu6oBFqhhgDTsq1OXa5ReKp5SwksVih9ecLawuhkyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALCecM_pDu6oBFqhhgDTsq1OXa5ReKp5SwksVih9ecLawuhkyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50967D88.3030900@cis-india.org>

Ginger Paque [2012-11-04 18:01]:
> Congratulations on a great meeting for best bits. Discussions were
> substantive and excellent. Please add my name as a signer to the statement.
>
> For those who were not there, please note that they probably don't really
> mean to limit inclusion to 'everyone in this room' and 'those in this
> room', even though they continuously used this phrase. This is a point we
> still need to learn. We all must start including those who are not in the
> room, and those of us who are not in the room, have to start including
> ourselves.  Jump in everyone, jump up and down till they notice us!

Dear Ginger,
I don't think that was intentional.  I think the only reason that 
happened was that there weren't sufficient reminders from the remote 
participants that they were participating. :)

And we sure are noticing you now!

Regards,
Pranesh


-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash

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From ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 11:51:49 2012
From: ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com (Narine Khachatryan)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:51:49 +0400
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <CALCecM8x7xwUuKrX=Vg+kdfOdaOSiKjHc=7uQ=J0_i2igdUj6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b4ntx774keu30yo14xyl4sv0.1352032777309@email.android.com> <CALCecM8x7xwUuKrX=Vg+kdfOdaOSiKjHc=7uQ=J0_i2igdUj6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPVtaum8AgVzx+zub2+ynNEAj4jTbtihsy=jt4GKctek_Cp8GA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Pranesh,

Could you, please, add Media Education Center, Armenia (Narine Khachatryan) as
signatory of the Statement.
Thanks,
Narine


On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great comments and voices at the Best Bits meeting. Anriette: not just
> great ideas, great voices 'around the room'. What about people listening
> online? One of the Best Bits, strategies, useful paths to working together
> (listening to the current speaker) is that the next meeting should include
> those who cannot be in the room! Email, Twitter, Skype--even the occasional
> acknowledgement from a speaker or moderator. Wonderful discussions! I do
> hope a wider range of civil society will be included as possible. Thanks.
> Ginger
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
> Diplo Foundation
> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
> **
> **
>
>
>
> On 4 November 2012 06:41, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pranesh, please add as signatory Instituto Nupef, Rio de Janeiro
>> (Carlos A. Afonso).
>>
>> frt rgds
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> Carlos A. Afonso
>>
>> Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org> escreveu:
>> Dear all,
>> The participants in Baku decided to incorporate small revisions without
>> re-opening the entire text.  Here's the final version:
>>
>> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement
>>
>> Currently, we have 10 organizations that are signatories to it:
>>
>> Access (Brett Solomon)
>> Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (AHM. Bazlur Rahman)
>> Centre for Internet and Society (Pranesh Prakash)
>> Center for Democracy & Technology
>> Consumers International
>> Electronic Frontier Finland (Tapani Tarvainen)
>> Global Partners & Associates (Andrew Puddephatt)
>> InternetNZ
>> ONG Derechos Digitales (Claudio Ruiz)
>> OpenMedia (Steve Anderson)
>>
>> As far as I can see, we have until the 7th before we close signatories
>> and endorsements.  (These two words are being used to distinguish
>> between those who participated in framing it and those who agree with it.)
>>
>> Given that anyone can edit the document, if you are adding your
>> organization's name, I would request you to write your name in
>> parentheses.  We can decide later that we wish to remove names from all
>> organizations.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pranesh
>>
>> Pranesh Prakash wrote [2012-11-04 12:20]:
>> > Dear all,
>> > Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating
>> > in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning
>> > session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>> >
>> > Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this
>> > mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document:
>> > <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>> >
>> > Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact
>> > that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive
>> > revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this
>> > mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an
>> > egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please
>> > do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Pranesh
>> >
>> > ====
>> >
>> > Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF
>> > meeting at Baku in 2012.
>> >
>> > The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications
>> > Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent,
>> > despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.
>> > Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the
>> > public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states
>> > to uphold and protect these values.
>> >
>> > We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
>> > Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this
>> > spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based,
>> > public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated
>> > such process for the WCIT itself.
>> >
>> > In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
>> > * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals
>> > available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful
>> > public participation;
>> > * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT
>> > meeting to the public;
>> > * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including
>> > live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as
>> > possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
>> > disabilities;
>> > * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as
>> > much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website,
>> > so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they
>> > are made available;
>> > * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation
>> > their national delegations;
>> > * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
>> > their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>> >
>> > Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be
>> > presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to
>> > any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>> >
>> > * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core
>> > mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation
>> > is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications
>> > networks and interoperability standards.
>> > * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of
>> > the Internet Protocol and above.
>> > * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
>> > affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and
>> > freedom of expression.
>> >
>> > More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
>> > neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and
>> > effective competition.
>> >
>> > Signed by:
>> >
>> > ====
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Pranesh Prakash
>> Policy Director
>> Centre for Internet and Society
>> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
>> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
>>
>>
>


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www.immasin.am
www.mediaeducation.am

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From veridiana at idec.org.br  Sun Nov  4 12:04:32 2012
From: veridiana at idec.org.br (Veridiana Alimonti)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:04:32 -0200
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <CALCecM8x7xwUuKrX=Vg+kdfOdaOSiKjHc=7uQ=J0_i2igdUj6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b4ntx774keu30yo14xyl4sv0.1352032777309@email.android.com> <CALCecM8x7xwUuKrX=Vg+kdfOdaOSiKjHc=7uQ=J0_i2igdUj6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA0O_-Sy6A2EroUWFUpkx19BHqmby1XcffLaPx5oMiEbR4a5MA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Pranesh,

please add Idec - Brazilian Institute for Consumer Defense.

Thank you.

Veridiana





2012/11/4 Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>

> Great comments and voices at the Best Bits meeting. Anriette: not just
> great ideas, great voices 'around the room'. What about people listening
> online? One of the Best Bits, strategies, useful paths to working together
> (listening to the current speaker) is that the next meeting should include
> those who cannot be in the room! Email, Twitter, Skype--even the occasional
> acknowledgement from a speaker or moderator. Wonderful discussions! I do
> hope a wider range of civil society will be included as possible. Thanks.
> Ginger
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
> Diplo Foundation
> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
> **
> **
>
>
>
> On 4 November 2012 06:41, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pranesh, please add as signatory Instituto Nupef, Rio de Janeiro
>> (Carlos A. Afonso).
>>
>> frt rgds
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> Carlos A. Afonso
>>
>> Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org> escreveu:
>> Dear all,
>> The participants in Baku decided to incorporate small revisions without
>> re-opening the entire text.  Here's the final version:
>>
>> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement
>>
>> Currently, we have 10 organizations that are signatories to it:
>>
>> Access (Brett Solomon)
>> Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (AHM. Bazlur Rahman)
>> Centre for Internet and Society (Pranesh Prakash)
>> Center for Democracy & Technology
>> Consumers International
>> Electronic Frontier Finland (Tapani Tarvainen)
>> Global Partners & Associates (Andrew Puddephatt)
>> InternetNZ
>> ONG Derechos Digitales (Claudio Ruiz)
>> OpenMedia (Steve Anderson)
>>
>> As far as I can see, we have until the 7th before we close signatories
>> and endorsements.  (These two words are being used to distinguish
>> between those who participated in framing it and those who agree with it.)
>>
>> Given that anyone can edit the document, if you are adding your
>> organization's name, I would request you to write your name in
>> parentheses.  We can decide later that we wish to remove names from all
>> organizations.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pranesh
>>
>> Pranesh Prakash wrote [2012-11-04 12:20]:
>> > Dear all,
>> > Here is the statement of civil society members and groups participating
>> > in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning
>> > session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>> >
>> > Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on this
>> > mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document:
>> > <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>> >
>> > Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the fact
>> > that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to extensive
>> > revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this
>> > mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an
>> > egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room. Please
>> > do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Pranesh
>> >
>> > ====
>> >
>> > Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a pre-IGF
>> > meeting at Baku in 2012.
>> >
>> > The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications
>> > Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and transparent,
>> > despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.
>> > Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of the
>> > public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member states
>> > to uphold and protect these values.
>> >
>> > We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
>> > Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in this
>> > spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based,
>> > public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated
>> > such process for the WCIT itself.
>> >
>> > In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would urge:
>> > * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals
>> > available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful
>> > public participation;
>> > * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT
>> > meeting to the public;
>> > * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including
>> > live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as
>> > possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
>> > disabilities;
>> > * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as
>> > much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website,
>> > so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they
>> > are made available;
>> > * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society participation
>> > their national delegations;
>> > * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
>> > their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>> >
>> > Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be
>> > presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to
>> > any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>> >
>> > * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core
>> > mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international regulation
>> > is required around technical issue limited to basic telecommunications
>> > networks and interoperability standards.
>> > * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of
>> > the Internet Protocol and above.
>> > * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
>> > affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and
>> > freedom of expression.
>> >
>> > More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
>> > neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and
>> > effective competition.
>> >
>> > Signed by:
>> >
>> > ====
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Pranesh Prakash
>> Policy Director
>> Centre for Internet and Society
>> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
>> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 13:54:41 2012
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 22:54:41 +0400
Subject: (From Parminder) URGENT- meeting with the Indian minister
Message-ID: <06c401cdbabd$da626840$8f2738c0$@gmail.com>

Dear All

This is an urgent message for those of you who have agreed to meet the
Indian minister for tomorrow.

The meeting is NOT at the Baku Expo but at the

Park Hyatt Hotel, at 930 PM

Sorry for the mix up. But hope all of you who would like to talk with the
minister can make it. It will be useful to give the minster a flavour of
what the global civil society thinks of the key \ig issues especially
since India seems to be taking a lot of interest lately in global IG.

parminder



From gurstein at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 22:24:22 2012
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 06:24:22 +0400
Subject: Arrived in good order in Baku
Message-ID: <033801cdb96a$58c8a9b0$0a59fd10$@gmail.com>

I arrived yesterday midday ontime (Turkish Airlines via Istanbul) and after
a wee bit of to-ing and fro-ing around the visa (they didn't seem to have
the procedures quite worked out for IGF folks but nothing major) and was
very kindly escorted to a waiting van (Parminder had arrived earlier and was
waiting for us to arrive in the van).  They then drove us into town and
directly to the apartment that I had rented in the centre (through AirBnB)
where the young lady (she spoke excellent English) helped us get comfortably
settled into the apartment.  

 

Everything worked quite well, with reasonable efficiency and sufficient good
humour and would wish the same for everyone else.

 

(Took a taxi last night to go to dinner with a friend--taxi driver didn't
seem to know the city at all and drove around and around (I had negotiated a
price with him before we started). Ended up about 10 minutes walk from where
we started
 The friend knew a marvellous if fairly expensive 500 (?) year
old restaurant with fantastic food and traditional Azari music in the old
city very near to where we have rented the apartment.)

 

M

 

From: bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Brett Solomon
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 2:36 AM
To: Claudio Ruiz
Cc: Ginger Paque; Jeremy Malcolm; <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject: Re: Best wishes for Best Bits without me

 

 I just got here (18 hours late) - the visa situation was interesting, but
got through unscathed. Now to brave the taxis at 2am :) Brett

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Claudio Ruiz <claudio at derechosdigitales.org>
wrote:

I'm in the same situation. I'm in London because of my Baku flight was
cancelled. I'm arriving tomorrow night. 

 

-c

El viernes, 2 de noviembre de 2012 a las 12:58, Ginger Paque escribió:

Sorry to hear this, Jeremy! However, I do think you have organized so well
that, indeed, the meeting will be a great success and a solid, productive
start to the IGF. See you online in remote participation!

Best wishes and safe travels to all.
Ginger


Ginger (Virginia) Paque

VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
www.diplomacy.edu/ig

 

 

On 2 November 2012 06:23, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:

I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be staying until
tomorrow having missed my connecting flight due to a flight delay.
Therefore, I don't expect to be at Best Bits tomorrow.

Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally, but since my
involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind the scenes, I don't expect
that it need have any effect on the success of your discussions and
deliberations tomorrow.

Andrew has the details of how to establish the web conference - though he
may ask one of you to lend him your webcam-enabled computer to use for this
- and so I may even be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I arrive
in person.

All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing how you made this
a great meeting in my absence.

--
Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'

 

 




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 <http://accessnow.org/> accessnow.org |  <http://rightscon.org/>
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From nb at bollow.ch  Sun Nov  4 14:15:48 2012
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:15:48 +0100
Subject: (From Parminder) URGENT- meeting with the Indian minister
In-Reply-To: <06c401cdbabd$da626840$8f2738c0$@gmail.com>
References: <06c401cdbabd$da626840$8f2738c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALrvCLAcvisuO4GLvN+=E5dYBJ34aMGoULaFcsX-Rwbz+cnSLg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks - So do I understand this right that the meeting is in the evening?

Greetings,
Norbert

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 7:54 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All
>
> This is an urgent message for those of you who have agreed to meet the
> Indian minister for tomorrow.
>
> The meeting is NOT at the Baku Expo but at the
>
> Park Hyatt Hotel, at 930 PM
>
> Sorry for the mix up. But hope all of you who would like to talk with the
> minister can make it. It will be useful to give the minster a flavour of
> what the global civil society thinks of the key \ig issues especially
> since India seems to be taking a lot of interest lately in global IG.
>
> parminder
>
>


From parminder at itforchange.net  Sun Nov  4 14:25:32 2012
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder at itforchange.net)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:25:32 -0800
Subject: (From Parminder) URGENT- meeting with the Indian minister
In-Reply-To:  <CALrvCLAcvisuO4GLvN+=E5dYBJ34aMGoULaFcsX-Rwbz+cnSLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <06c401cdbabd$da626840$8f2738c0$@gmail.com>
    <CALrvCLAcvisuO4GLvN+=E5dYBJ34aMGoULaFcsX-Rwbz+cnSLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2985b7fea39bd13d243aa5909bc3dcb2.squirrel@www.itforchange.net>


sorry all


the meeting is at 930 in the morning (and not the evening\



> Thanks - So do I understand this right that the meeting is in the evening?
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 7:54 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Dear All
>>
>> This is an urgent message for those of you who have agreed to meet the
>> Indian minister for tomorrow.
>>
>> The meeting is NOT at the Baku Expo but at the
>>
>> Park Hyatt Hotel, at 930 PM
>>
>> Sorry for the mix up. But hope all of you who would like to talk with
>> the
>> minister can make it. It will be useful to give the minster a flavour of
>> what the global civil society thinks of the key \ig issues especially
>> since India seems to be taking a lot of interest lately in global IG.
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>
>
>




From katitza at eff.org  Sun Nov  4 15:57:59 2012
From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 00:57:59 +0400
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <CAA0O_-Sy6A2EroUWFUpkx19BHqmby1XcffLaPx5oMiEbR4a5MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b4ntx774keu30yo14xyl4sv0.1352032777309@email.android.com> <CALCecM8x7xwUuKrX=Vg+kdfOdaOSiKjHc=7uQ=J0_i2igdUj6w@mail.gmail.com> <CAA0O_-Sy6A2EroUWFUpkx19BHqmby1XcffLaPx5oMiEbR4a5MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5096D6D7.8040108@eff.org>


Jeremy, all

Thanks - we'd actually love to sign but there's some language on network 
neutrality in the text that just does not work for our organization. We 
understand there was a group process in place to achieve this language, 
and so you might need to go ahead and just move forward as is without 
us.  However, if you'd like EFF to sign on, we would prefer to delete 
the network neutrality reference.

Again, we appreciate and respect if it's too late in the process to make 
those changes, but we wanted to let you know exactly what you needed to 
do to get us on board.

Best, Katitza

On 11/4/12 9:04 PM, Veridiana Alimonti wrote:
> Dear Pranesh,
>
> please add Idec - Brazilian Institute for Consumer Defense.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Veridiana
>
>
>
>
>
> 2012/11/4 Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com <mailto:gpaque at gmail.com>>
>
>     Great comments and voices at the Best Bits meeting. Anriette: not
>     just great ideas, great voices 'around the room'. What about
>     people listening online? One of the Best Bits, strategies, useful
>     paths to working together (listening to the current speaker) is
>     that the next meeting should include those who cannot be in the
>     room! Email, Twitter, Skype--even the occasional acknowledgement
>     from a speaker or moderator. Wonderful discussions! I do hope a
>     wider range of civil society will be included as possible. Thanks.
>     Ginger
>
>     Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>
>     VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu <mailto:VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu>
>     Diplo Foundation
>     Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
>     www.diplomacy.edu/ig <http://www.diplomacy.edu/ig>
>
>     *//*
>
>
>
>     On 4 November 2012 06:41, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca
>     <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca>> wrote:
>
>         Hi Pranesh, please add as signatory Instituto Nupef, Rio de
>         Janeiro (Carlos A. Afonso).
>
>         frt rgds
>
>         --c.a.
>
>         Carlos A. Afonso
>
>         Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org
>         <mailto:pranesh at cis-india.org>> escreveu:
>         Dear all,
>         The participants in Baku decided to incorporate small
>         revisions without
>         re-opening the entire text.  Here's the final version:
>
>         http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement
>
>         Currently, we have 10 organizations that are signatories to it:
>
>         Access (Brett Solomon)
>         Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (AHM.
>         Bazlur Rahman)
>         Centre for Internet and Society (Pranesh Prakash)
>         Center for Democracy & Technology
>         Consumers International
>         Electronic Frontier Finland (Tapani Tarvainen)
>         Global Partners & Associates (Andrew Puddephatt)
>         InternetNZ
>         ONG Derechos Digitales (Claudio Ruiz)
>         OpenMedia (Steve Anderson)
>
>         As far as I can see, we have until the 7th before we close
>         signatories
>         and endorsements.  (These two words are being used to distinguish
>         between those who participated in framing it and those who
>         agree with it.)
>
>         Given that anyone can edit the document, if you are adding your
>         organization's name, I would request you to write your name in
>         parentheses.  We can decide later that we wish to remove names
>         from all
>         organizations.
>
>         Regards,
>         Pranesh
>
>         Pranesh Prakash wrote [2012-11-04 12:20]:
>         > Dear all,
>         > Here is the statement of civil society members and groups
>         participating
>         > in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the
>         morning
>         > session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
>         >
>         > Please indicate your and your group's support of this
>         statement on this
>         > mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document:
>         > <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
>         >
>         > Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today —
>         and the fact
>         > that we would not wish to open this particular statement up
>         to extensive
>         > revision again — I would request people to raise comments on
>         this
>         > mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an
>         > egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the
>         room. Please
>         > do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
>         >
>         > Regards,
>         > Pranesh
>         >
>         > ====
>         >
>         > Statement of civil society members and groups participating
>         in a pre-IGF
>         > meeting at Baku in 2012.
>         >
>         > The process of the revision of the International
>         Telecommunications
>         > Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and
>         transparent,
>         > despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public
>         participation.
>         > Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the
>         pursuit of the
>         > public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge
>         member states
>         > to uphold and protect these values.
>         >
>         > We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
>         > Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT)
>         process in this
>         > spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open,
>         broad-based,
>         > public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have
>         they indicated
>         > such process for the WCIT itself.
>         >
>         > In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we
>         would urge:
>         > * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals
>         > available to the public in sufficient time to allow for
>         meaningful
>         > public participation;
>         > * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the
>         WCIT
>         > meeting to the public;
>         > * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT
>         including
>         > live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as
>         far as
>         > possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
>         > disabilities;
>         > * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to
>         make as
>         > much documentation publicly available as possible on the
>         ITU's website,
>         > so that civil society can provide substantive input on
>         proposals as they
>         > are made available;
>         > * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society
>         participation
>         > their national delegations;
>         > * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society
>         to express
>         > their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
>         >
>         > Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals
>         that will be
>         > presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be
>         applied to
>         > any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
>         >
>         > * That any proposed revisions are confined to the
>         traditional core
>         > mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where
>         international regulation
>         > is required around technical issue limited to basic
>         telecommunications
>         > networks and interoperability standards.
>         > * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve
>         regulation of
>         > the Internet Protocol and above.
>         > * There should be no revisions that could have a negative
>         impact on
>         > affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to
>         privacy and
>         > freedom of expression.
>         >
>         > More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles
>         of net
>         > neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal
>         service, and
>         > effective competition.
>         >
>         > Signed by:
>         >
>         > ====
>         >
>
>
>         -- 
>         Pranesh Prakash
>         Policy Director
>         Centre for Internet and Society
>         T: +91 80 40926283 <tel:%2B91%2080%2040926283> | W:
>         http://cis-india.org
>         PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
>
>
>


-- 
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Electronic Frontier Foundation
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katitza at datos-personales.org (personal email)

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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Sun Nov  4 22:26:06 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 07:26:06 +0400
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <5096D6D7.8040108@eff.org>
References: <b4ntx774keu30yo14xyl4sv0.1352032777309@email.android.com> <CALCecM8x7xwUuKrX=Vg+kdfOdaOSiKjHc=7uQ=J0_i2igdUj6w@mail.gmail.com> <CAA0O_-Sy6A2EroUWFUpkx19BHqmby1XcffLaPx5oMiEbR4a5MA@mail.gmail.com> <5096D6D7.8040108@eff.org>
Message-ID: <CA059A96-AA98-4AC4-A8B3-87318125A0E5@ciroap.org>

On 05/11/2012, at 12:57 AM, Katitza Rodriguez <katitza at eff.org> wrote:

> Thanks - we'd actually love to sign but there's some language on network neutrality in the text that just does not work for our organization. We understand there was a group process in place to achieve this language, and so you might need to go ahead and just move forward as is without us.  However, if you'd like EFF to sign on, we would prefer to delete the network neutrality reference.
> 
> Again, we appreciate and respect if it's too late in the process to make those changes, but we wanted to let you know exactly what you needed to do to get us on board.


Since that's a more substantive change I don't think we can reopen it at this stage, unless nobody objects (and I suspect that at least one person will).  Did we fail to pick up on an objection to this language that you raised in the room?

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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Sun Nov  4 22:32:22 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 07:32:22 +0400
Subject: do you think folks would object...
In-Reply-To: <FBFBAFFB-86C9-4D7D-A88D-0C9B075A1DD8@cdt.org>
References: <FBFBAFFB-86C9-4D7D-A88D-0C9B075A1DD8@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <64935048-01DF-4B85-A464-1DD70D2F67C1@ciroap.org>

On 04/11/2012, at 5:03 PM, Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:

> to sharing email addresses of those who attended? There are a number of folk I haven't had a chance to speak to personally but with whom I'd love to followup.

You can get peoples' email addresses - all you need to do is to log into the bestbits.igf-online.net site with your credentials that you received by email.  Then the "Participants" page will magically include email addresses.

Hope that helps.

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From Andrew at global-partners.co.uk  Sun Nov  4 22:37:16 2012
From: Andrew at global-partners.co.uk (Andrew Puddephatt)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 03:37:16 +0000
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <CA059A96-AA98-4AC4-A8B3-87318125A0E5@ciroap.org>
Message-ID: <CCBCE2D8.1F9D3%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>

I don't think we can re open the text at this stage.
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From: Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org<mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org>>
Date: Monday, 5 November 2012 03:26
To: "katitza at eff.org<mailto:katitza at eff.org>" <katitza at eff.org<mailto:katitza at eff.org>>
Cc: Veridiana Alimonti <veridiana at idec.org.br<mailto:veridiana at idec.org.br>>, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com<mailto:gpaque at gmail.com>>, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca<mailto:ca at cafonso.ca>>, "pranesh at cis-india.org<mailto:pranesh at cis-india.org>" <pranesh at cis-india.org<mailto:pranesh at cis-india.org>>, "<bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>>" <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>>
Subject: Re: WCIT Statement

On 05/11/2012, at 12:57 AM, Katitza Rodriguez <katitza at eff.org<mailto:katitza at eff.org>> wrote:

Thanks - we'd actually love to sign but there's some language on network neutrality in the text that just does not work for our organization. We understand there was a group process in place to achieve this language, and so you might need to go ahead and just move forward as is without us.  However, if you'd like EFF to sign on, we would prefer to delete the network neutrality reference.

Again, we appreciate and respect if it's too late in the process to make those changes, but we wanted to let you know exactly what you needed to do to get us on board.

Since that's a more substantive change I don't think we can reopen it at this stage, unless nobody objects (and I suspect that at least one person will).  Did we fail to pick up on an objection to this language that you raised in the room?

--

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Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
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From valeriab at apc.org  Sun Nov  4 23:15:02 2012
From: valeriab at apc.org (Valeria Betancourt)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 23:15:02 -0500
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <CAA0O_-Sy6A2EroUWFUpkx19BHqmby1XcffLaPx5oMiEbR4a5MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b4ntx774keu30yo14xyl4sv0.1352032777309@email.android.com> <CALCecM8x7xwUuKrX=Vg+kdfOdaOSiKjHc=7uQ=J0_i2igdUj6w@mail.gmail.com> <CAA0O_-Sy6A2EroUWFUpkx19BHqmby1XcffLaPx5oMiEbR4a5MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB635B66-49F5-47A8-952C-033ABB5BF9D8@apc.org>

Dear Pranesh,

The Association for Progressive Communications (APC) endorses the  
statement.

Best,

Valeria

On 04/11/2012, at 12:04, Veridiana Alimonti wrote:

> Dear Pranesh,
>
> please add Idec - Brazilian Institute for Consumer Defense.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Veridiana
>
>
>
>
>
> 2012/11/4 Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>
> Great comments and voices at the Best Bits meeting. Anriette: not  
> just great ideas, great voices 'around the room'. What about people  
> listening online? One of the Best Bits, strategies, useful paths to  
> working together (listening to the current speaker) is that the next  
> meeting should include those who cannot be in the room! Email,  
> Twitter, Skype--even the occasional acknowledgement from a speaker  
> or moderator. Wonderful discussions! I do hope a wider range of  
> civil society will be included as possible. Thanks. Ginger
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
> Diplo Foundation
> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
>
>
>
>
> On 4 November 2012 06:41, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
> Hi Pranesh, please add as signatory Instituto Nupef, Rio de Janeiro  
> (Carlos A. Afonso).
>
> frt rgds
>
> --c.a.
>
> Carlos A. Afonso
>
> Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org> escreveu:
> Dear all,
> The participants in Baku decided to incorporate small revisions  
> without
> re-opening the entire text.  Here's the final version:
>
> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement
>
> Currently, we have 10 organizations that are signatories to it:
>
> Access (Brett Solomon)
> Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (AHM. Bazlur  
> Rahman)
> Centre for Internet and Society (Pranesh Prakash)
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> Consumers International
> Electronic Frontier Finland (Tapani Tarvainen)
> Global Partners & Associates (Andrew Puddephatt)
> InternetNZ
> ONG Derechos Digitales (Claudio Ruiz)
> OpenMedia (Steve Anderson)
>
> As far as I can see, we have until the 7th before we close signatories
> and endorsements.  (These two words are being used to distinguish
> between those who participated in framing it and those who agree  
> with it.)
>
> Given that anyone can edit the document, if you are adding your
> organization's name, I would request you to write your name in
> parentheses.  We can decide later that we wish to remove names from  
> all
> organizations.
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> Pranesh Prakash wrote [2012-11-04 12:20]:
> > Dear all,
> > Here is the statement of civil society members and groups  
> participating
> > in a pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012 as drafted after the morning
> > session on Sunday, November 4, 2012.
> >
> > Please indicate your and your group's support of this statement on  
> this
> > mailing list or directly at the end of this Etherpad document:
> > <http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/wcit_statement>.
> >
> > Given our deliberation on these both yesterday and today — and the  
> fact
> > that we would not wish to open this particular statement up to  
> extensive
> > revision again — I would request people to raise comments on this
> > mailing list only if you believe the drafters have committed an
> > egregious mistake in capturing the agreement present in the room.  
> Please
> > do not leave comments on the Etherpad document.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Pranesh
> >
> > ====
> >
> > Statement of civil society members and groups participating in a  
> pre-IGF
> > meeting at Baku in 2012.
> >
> > The process of the revision of the International Telecommunications
> > Regulations (ITRs) have not been sufficiently inclusive and  
> transparent,
> > despite some recent efforts to facilitate some public participation.
> > Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the pursuit of  
> the
> > public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge member  
> states
> > to uphold and protect these values.
> >
> > We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
> > Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) process in  
> this
> > spirit. Member-states, in most cases, have not held open, broad- 
> based,
> > public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they  
> indicated
> > such process for the WCIT itself.
> >
> > In order to address this deficiency, and as a minimum, we would  
> urge:
> > * All member states and regional groups to make their proposals
> > available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful
> > public participation;
> > * All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT
> > meeting to the public;
> > * The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including
> > live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as
> > possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
> > disabilities;
> > * The ITU Secretariat, member-states, and regional groups to make as
> > much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's  
> website,
> > so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals  
> as they
> > are made available;
> > * Member-states to encourage and facilitate civil society  
> participation
> > their national delegations;
> > * The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to  
> express
> > their views, as was done during the WSIS process.
> >
> > Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that  
> will be
> > presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be  
> applied to
> > any proposed revisions of the ITRs.
> >
> > * That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional core
> > mandate of the ITU and scope of the ITRs, where international  
> regulation
> > is required around technical issue limited to basic  
> telecommunications
> > networks and interoperability standards.
> > * There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation  
> of
> > the Internet Protocol and above.
> > * There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
> > affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to  
> privacy and
> > freedom of expression.
> >
> > More positively we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
> > neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal  
> service, and
> > effective competition.
> >
> > Signed by:
> >
> > ====
> >
>
>
> -- 
> Pranesh Prakash
> Policy Director
> Centre for Internet and Society
> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
>
>
>

-------------
Valeria Betancourt
Directora / Manager
Programa de Políticas de Information y Comunicación / Communication  
and Information Policy Programme
Asociación para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones / Association for
Progressive Communications, APC
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From kbankston at cdt.org  Mon Nov  5 04:50:37 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:50:37 +0400
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
In-Reply-To: <5096574E.8000709@cis-india.org>
References: <27D5612D-2DDE-4F9B-BEC8-00A9483CE602@cdt.org> <5096574E.8000709@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <01D66246-5FA3-41EC-9DE5-177B91756CE1@cdt.org>

Hi Pranesh--I just wanted to confirm when it will be OK to publicize the document.  We'd love to publish a blog post tonight Baku time (Monday morning in the US) if we can, publicizing the statement and seeking endorsers, though we can wait if the group thinks it's necessary.  Are there any groups/individuals who were in the room or participated remotely who we still haven't heard from?  And do we want to do some kind of coordinated announcement, or is it OK for us all to separately blog and tweet about it?  Perhaps Jeremy should be the first to announce, via Twitter, since he organized the meeting and has been tweeting about the process?

On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:

> Kevin Bankston wrote [2012-11-04 15:30]:
>> We may
>> want to figure out how to try to maximize signers before we submit
>> later today.
> 
> I think we have till the 7th of November (Wednesday) to submit, and would suggest that we keep it open till then.
> 
> We can wait till we finish with the signatories (tonight) before sending it out for endorsements.
> 
> -- 
> Pranesh Prakash
> Policy Director
> Centre for Internet and Society
> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
> 




From Andrew at global-partners.co.uk  Mon Nov  5 04:58:07 2012
From: Andrew at global-partners.co.uk (Andrew Puddephatt)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 09:58:07 +0000
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
In-Reply-To: <01D66246-5FA3-41EC-9DE5-177B91756CE1@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <CCBD3E22.1FA29%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>

I think it should go today as well

Andrew Puddephatt, Director
Global Partners and Associates
Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk
<http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>





On 05/11/2012 09:50, "Kevin Bankston" <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:

>Hi Pranesh--I just wanted to confirm when it will be OK to publicize the
>document.  We'd love to publish a blog post tonight Baku time (Monday
>morning in the US) if we can, publicizing the statement and seeking
>endorsers, though we can wait if the group thinks it's necessary.  Are
>there any groups/individuals who were in the room or participated
>remotely who we still haven't heard from?  And do we want to do some kind
>of coordinated announcement, or is it OK for us all to separately blog
>and tweet about it?  Perhaps Jeremy should be the first to announce, via
>Twitter, since he organized the meeting and has been tweeting about the
>process?
>
>On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>
>> Kevin Bankston wrote [2012-11-04 15:30]:
>>> We may
>>> want to figure out how to try to maximize signers before we submit
>>> later today.
>> 
>> I think we have till the 7th of November (Wednesday) to submit, and
>>would suggest that we keep it open till then.
>> 
>> We can wait till we finish with the signatories (tonight) before
>>sending it out for endorsements.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Pranesh Prakash
>> Policy Director
>> Centre for Internet and Society
>> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
>> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
>> 
>
>
>



From genekimmelman at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 05:08:23 2012
From: genekimmelman at gmail.com (Gene Kimmelman)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:08:23 +0400
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
Message-ID: <qn0nuo5w62tu1h3g95fs7ps1.1352110001581@email.android.com>

I agree with going public today and letting each group decide how it wants to describe the documentAndrew Puddephatt <Andrew at global-partners.co.uk> wrote:I think it should go today as well

Andrew Puddephatt, Director
Global Partners and Associates
Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk
<http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>





On 05/11/2012 09:50, "Kevin Bankston" <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:

>Hi Pranesh--I just wanted to confirm when it will be OK to publicize the
>document.  We'd love to publish a blog post tonight Baku time (Monday
>morning in the US) if we can, publicizing the statement and seeking
>endorsers, though we can wait if the group thinks it's necessary.  Are
>there any groups/individuals who were in the room or participated
>remotely who we still haven't heard from?  And do we want to do some kind
>of coordinated announcement, or is it OK for us all to separately blog
>and tweet about it?  Perhaps Jeremy should be the first to announce, via
>Twitter, since he organized the meeting and has been tweeting about the
>process?
>
>On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>
>> Kevin Bankston wrote [2012-11-04 15:30]:
>>> We may
>>> want to figure out how to try to maximize signers before we submit
>>> later today.
>> 
>> I think we have till the 7th of November (Wednesday) to submit, and
>>would suggest that we keep it open till then.
>> 
>> We can wait till we finish with the signatories (tonight) before
>>sending it out for endorsements.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Pranesh Prakash
>> Policy Director
>> Centre for Internet and Society
>> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
>> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash
>> 
>
>
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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Sat Nov  3 01:10:35 2012
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 06:10:35 +0100
Subject: AW: [governance] Arrived in good order in Baku
References: <033801cdb96a$58c8a9b0$0a59fd10$@gmail.com>
Message-ID:  <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CD57E@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

I will join you around noon. Sorry for missing the morning. 
wolfgang 

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Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von michael gurstein
Gesendet: Sa 03.11.2012 03:24
An: bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Betreff: [governance] Arrived in good order in Baku



I arrived yesterday midday ontime (Turkish Airlines via Istanbul) and after a wee bit of to-ing and fro-ing around the visa (they didn't seem to have the procedures quite worked out for IGF folks but nothing major) and was very kindly escorted to a waiting van (Parminder had arrived earlier and was waiting for us to arrive in the van).  They then drove us into town and directly to the apartment that I had rented in the centre (through AirBnB) where the young lady (she spoke excellent English) helped us get comfortably settled into the apartment.  

 

Everything worked quite well, with reasonable efficiency and sufficient good humour and would wish the same for everyone else.

 

(Took a taxi last night to go to dinner with a friend--taxi driver didn't seem to know the city at all and drove around and around (I had negotiated a price with him before we started). Ended up about 10 minutes walk from where we started... The friend knew a marvellous if fairly expensive 500 (?) year old restaurant with fantastic food and traditional Azari music in the old city very near to where we have rented the apartment.)

 

M

 

From: bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Brett Solomon
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 2:36 AM
To: Claudio Ruiz
Cc: Ginger Paque; Jeremy Malcolm; <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject: Re: Best wishes for Best Bits without me

 

 I just got here (18 hours late) - the visa situation was interesting, but got through unscathed. Now to brave the taxis at 2am :) Brett

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Claudio Ruiz <claudio at derechosdigitales.org> wrote:

I'm in the same situation. I'm in London because of my Baku flight was cancelled. I'm arriving tomorrow night. 

 

-c

El viernes, 2 de noviembre de 2012 a las 12:58, Ginger Paque escribió:

	Sorry to hear this, Jeremy! However, I do think you have organized so well that, indeed, the meeting will be a great success and a solid, productive start to the IGF. See you online in remote participation!
	
	Best wishes and safe travels to all.
	Ginger

	
	Ginger (Virginia) Paque

	VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
	Diplo Foundation
	Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
	www.diplomacy.edu/ig

	 

	 

	On 2 November 2012 06:23, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:

	I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be staying until tomorrow having missed my connecting flight due to a flight delay. Therefore, I don't expect to be at Best Bits tomorrow.
	
	Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally, but since my involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind the scenes, I don't expect that it need have any effect on the success of your discussions and deliberations tomorrow.
	
	Andrew has the details of how to establish the web conference - though he may ask one of you to lend him your webcam-enabled computer to use for this - and so I may even be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I arrive in person.
	
	All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing how you made this a great meeting in my absence.
	
	--
	Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
	Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
	host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org <http://5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org/> |awk -F! '{print $3}'

	 

 




-- 
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Executive Director | Access
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+1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
Key ID: 0x312B641A



From jeremy at ciroap.org  Mon Nov  5 06:08:11 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:08:11 +0400
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
In-Reply-To: <01D66246-5FA3-41EC-9DE5-177B91756CE1@cdt.org>
References: <27D5612D-2DDE-4F9B-BEC8-00A9483CE602@cdt.org> <5096574E.8000709@cis-india.org> <01D66246-5FA3-41EC-9DE5-177B91756CE1@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <2AF8E243-0092-4C68-BA0F-C4929F916141@ciroap.org>

On 05/11/2012, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:

> Hi Pranesh--I just wanted to confirm when it will be OK to publicize the document.  We'd love to publish a blog post tonight Baku time (Monday morning in the US) if we can, publicizing the statement and seeking endorsers, though we can wait if the group thinks it's necessary.  Are there any groups/individuals who were in the room or participated remotely who we still haven't heard from?  And do we want to do some kind of coordinated announcement, or is it OK for us all to separately blog and tweet about it?  Perhaps Jeremy should be the first to announce, via Twitter, since he organized the meeting and has been tweeting about the process?


I think that it would be fitting for us to announce it separately, but link to the page that I've just added to the Best Bits website, rather than to the pad, which could be subject to vandalism:

http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement

I've also added our two outputs to the front page of Best Bits.

So, tweet and blog away!

-- 
Dr Jeremy Malcolm
Senior Policy Officer
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 7726 1599

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From genekimmelman at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 06:16:49 2012
From: genekimmelman at gmail.com (Gene Kimmelman)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:16:49 +0400
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
Message-ID: <onne8dd0tcj2m0w6rk33n62q.1352114054280@email.android.com>

If groups could just hold off until we get word that this has beeen sent to ITU it would avoid us looking like we are surprising them with something they haven't seenJeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:On 05/11/2012, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:

Hi Pranesh--I just wanted to confirm when it will be OK to publicize the document.  We'd love to publish a blog post tonight Baku time (Monday morning in the US) if we can, publicizing the statement and seeking endorsers, though we can wait if the group thinks it's necessary.  Are there any groups/individuals who were in the room or participated remotely who we still haven't heard from?  And do we want to do some kind of coordinated announcement, or is it OK for us all to separately blog and tweet about it?  Perhaps Jeremy should be the first to announce, via Twitter, since he organized the meeting and has been tweeting about the process?

I think that it would be fitting for us to announce it separately, but link to the page that I've just added to the Best Bits website, rather than to the pad, which could be subject to vandalism:

http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement

I've also added our two outputs to the front page of Best Bits.

So, tweet and blog away!

-- 
Dr Jeremy Malcolm
Senior Policy Officer
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 7726 1599

Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission

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From kbankston at cdt.org  Mon Nov  5 06:23:51 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:23:51 +0400
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
In-Reply-To: <onne8dd0tcj2m0w6rk33n62q.1352114054280@email.android.com>
References: <onne8dd0tcj2m0w6rk33n62q.1352114054280@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <69161EB3-D2E7-4B67-B49E-B7D0A7EC94E2@cdt.org>

I'm now confused--I thought we wanted to publicize the statement to obtain additional endorsements before we filed it on the 7th.  If that's not the plan, we should clarify ASAP.  I don't have a very strong feeling either way, I just want to make sure we're all on the same page.
____________________________________
Kevin S. Bankston
Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
202.407.8834 direct
202.637.0968 fax
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Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech

On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Gene Kimmelman wrote:

> If groups could just hold off until we get word that this has beeen sent to ITU it would avoid us looking like we are surprising them with something they haven't seen
> Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
> On 05/11/2012, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pranesh--I just wanted to confirm when it will be OK to publicize the document.  We'd love to publish a blog post tonight Baku time (Monday morning in the US) if we can, publicizing the statement and seeking endorsers, though we can wait if the group thinks it's necessary.  Are there any groups/individuals who were in the room or participated remotely who we still haven't heard from?  And do we want to do some kind of coordinated announcement, or is it OK for us all to separately blog and tweet about it?  Perhaps Jeremy should be the first to announce, via Twitter, since he organized the meeting and has been tweeting about the process?
> 
> 
> I think that it would be fitting for us to announce it separately, but link to the page that I've just added to the Best Bits website, rather than to the pad, which could be subject to vandalism:
> 
> http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement
> 
> I've also added our two outputs to the front page of Best Bits.
> 
> So, tweet and blog away!
> 
> -- 
> Dr Jeremy Malcolm
> Senior Policy Officer
> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
> 
> Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission
> 
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> 
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From kbankston at cdt.org  Mon Nov  5 06:27:24 2012
From: kbankston at cdt.org (Kevin Bankston)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:27:24 +0400
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
In-Reply-To: <69161EB3-D2E7-4B67-B49E-B7D0A7EC94E2@cdt.org>
References: <onne8dd0tcj2m0w6rk33n62q.1352114054280@email.android.com> <69161EB3-D2E7-4B67-B49E-B7D0A7EC94E2@cdt.org>
Message-ID: <7334BC71-430A-408B-9970-A7A5D4B29AE3@cdt.org>

And I see Jeremy has tweeted, though it has not yet been retweeted: 

https://twitter.com/qirtaiba/status/265411961280413696

On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Bankston wrote:

> I'm now confused--I thought we wanted to publicize the statement to obtain additional endorsements before we filed it on the 7th.  If that's not the plan, we should clarify ASAP.  I don't have a very strong feeling either way, I just want to make sure we're all on the same page.
> ____________________________________
> Kevin S. Bankston
> Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
> Center for Democracy & Technology
> 1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
> Washington, DC 20006
> 202.407.8834 direct
> 202.637.0968 fax
> kbankston at cdt.org
> 
> Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech
> 
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Gene Kimmelman wrote:
> 
>> If groups could just hold off until we get word that this has beeen sent to ITU it would avoid us looking like we are surprising them with something they haven't seen
>> Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>> On 05/11/2012, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pranesh--I just wanted to confirm when it will be OK to publicize the document.  We'd love to publish a blog post tonight Baku time (Monday morning in the US) if we can, publicizing the statement and seeking endorsers, though we can wait if the group thinks it's necessary.  Are there any groups/individuals who were in the room or participated remotely who we still haven't heard from?  And do we want to do some kind of coordinated announcement, or is it OK for us all to separately blog and tweet about it?  Perhaps Jeremy should be the first to announce, via Twitter, since he organized the meeting and has been tweeting about the process?
>> 
>> 
>> I think that it would be fitting for us to announce it separately, but link to the page that I've just added to the Best Bits website, rather than to the pad, which could be subject to vandalism:
>> 
>> http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement
>> 
>> I've also added our two outputs to the front page of Best Bits.
>> 
>> So, tweet and blog away!
>> 
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From genekimmelman at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 06:28:26 2012
From: genekimmelman at gmail.com (Gene Kimmelman)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:28:26 +0400
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
Message-ID: <okl3p86dggu43fd76w0xuolv.1352114859684@email.android.com>

We want to file it and then once it's public seek additional endorsementsKevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:I'm now confused--I thought we wanted to publicize the statement to obtain additional endorsements before we filed it on the 7th.  If that's not the plan, we should clarify ASAP.  I don't have a very strong feeling either way, I just want to make sure we're all on the same page.
____________________________________
Kevin S. Bankston
Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
202.407.8834 direct
202.637.0968 fax
kbankston at cdt.org

Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech

On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Gene Kimmelman wrote:

If groups could just hold off until we get word that this has beeen sent to ITU it would avoid us looking like we are surprising them with something they haven't seen
Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
On 05/11/2012, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:

Hi Pranesh--I just wanted to confirm when it will be OK to publicize the document.  We'd love to publish a blog post tonight Baku time (Monday morning in the US) if we can, publicizing the statement and seeking endorsers, though we can wait if the group thinks it's necessary.  Are there any groups/individuals who were in the room or participated remotely who we still haven't heard from?  And do we want to do some kind of coordinated announcement, or is it OK for us all to separately blog and tweet about it?  Perhaps Jeremy should be the first to announce, via Twitter, since he organized the meeting and has been tweeting about the process?

I think that it would be fitting for us to announce it separately, but link to the page that I've just added to the Best Bits website, rather than to the pad, which could be subject to vandalism:

http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement

I've also added our two outputs to the front page of Best Bits.

So, tweet and blog away!

-- 
Dr Jeremy Malcolm
Senior Policy Officer
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 7726 1599

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From genekimmelman at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 06:32:34 2012
From: genekimmelman at gmail.com (Gene Kimmelman)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:32:34 +0400
Subject: tweeting/finalizing the ITU statement?
Message-ID: <95cfuv3vd9303brhxti7vk4n.1352115132736@email.android.com>

We'll go as fast as we can.....Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:And I see Jeremy has tweeted, though it has not yet been retweeted: 

https://twitter.com/qirtaiba/status/265411961280413696

On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Bankston wrote:

I'm now confused--I thought we wanted to publicize the statement to obtain additional endorsements before we filed it on the 7th.  If that's not the plan, we should clarify ASAP.  I don't have a very strong feeling either way, I just want to make sure we're all on the same page.
____________________________________
Kevin S. Bankston
Senior Counsel and Free Expression Director
Center for Democracy & Technology
1634 I St NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20006
202.407.8834 direct
202.637.0968 fax
kbankston at cdt.org

Follow CDT on Twitter at @cendemtech

On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Gene Kimmelman wrote:

If groups could just hold off until we get word that this has beeen sent to ITU it would avoid us looking like we are surprising them with something they haven't seen
Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
On 05/11/2012, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Bankston <kbankston at cdt.org> wrote:

Hi Pranesh--I just wanted to confirm when it will be OK to publicize the document. We'd love to publish a blog post tonight Baku time (Monday morning in the US) if we can, publicizing the statement and seeking endorsers, though we can wait if the group thinks it's necessary. Are there any groups/individuals who were in the room or participated remotely who we still haven't heard from? And do we want to do some kind of coordinated announcement, or is it OK for us all to separately blog and tweet about it? Perhaps Jeremy should be the first to announce, via Twitter, since he organized the meeting and has been tweeting about the process?

I think that it would be fitting for us to announce it separately, but link to the page that I've just added to the Best Bits website, rather than to the pad, which could be subject to vandalism:

http://bestbits.igf-online.net/statement

I've also added our two outputs to the front page of Best Bits.

So, tweet and blog away!

-- 
Dr Jeremy Malcolm
Senior Policy Officer
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 7726 1599

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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Mon Nov  5 06:57:20 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:57:20 +0400
Subject: Submission of our statement to the ITU
Message-ID: <96494754-D56A-42A2-8E13-EB4169B88972@ciroap.org>

Discussing with some of us in Baku, there are some who want to publicise the statement now and others who would prefer we submit it to the ITU first with the signatories we have now, before circulating it more widely.

So, I am proposing that we submit it to the ITU at 5:30pm Baku time, which is 1.5 hours from now.  If you haven't signed already and can do so within the next 1.5 hours (by emailing me or the list), please do so.  If this poses a problem because of the need to consult within your organisation, please let me know.

Thanks.

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Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 7726 1599

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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Mon Nov  5 07:01:31 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:01:31 +0400
Subject: Submission of our statement to the ITU
In-Reply-To: <96494754-D56A-42A2-8E13-EB4169B88972@ciroap.org>
References: <96494754-D56A-42A2-8E13-EB4169B88972@ciroap.org>
Message-ID: <E8D730BB-EF96-44BD-AE2F-6D7C3795815B@ciroap.org>

On 05/11/2012, at 3:57 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:

> Discussing with some of us in Baku, there are some who want to publicise the statement now and others who would prefer we submit it to the ITU first with the signatories we have now, before circulating it more widely.
> 
> So, I am proposing that we submit it to the ITU at 5:30pm Baku time, which is 1.5 hours from now.  If you haven't signed already and can do so within the next 1.5 hours (by emailing me or the list), please do so.  If this poses a problem because of the need to consult within your organisation, please let me know.

Oh - and we are considering removing the personal names, where the signature is on behalf of an organisation.  If you want your personal name to remain, please let me know.

-- 
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Senior Policy Officer
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 7726 1599

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From Andrew at global-partners.co.uk  Mon Nov  5 07:02:28 2012
From: Andrew at global-partners.co.uk (Andrew Puddephatt)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:02:28 +0000
Subject: Submission of our statement to the ITU
In-Reply-To: <E8D730BB-EF96-44BD-AE2F-6D7C3795815B@ciroap.org>
Message-ID: <CCBD5B4D.1FA5F%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>

Both fine by me
Andrew Puddephatt, Director          Global Partners and Associates
Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
andrew at global-partners.co.uk<mailto:andrew at global-partners.co.uk>                  www.global-partners.co.uk<http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>

From: Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org<mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org>>
Date: Monday, 5 November 2012 12:01
To: Best Bits <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>>
Subject: Re: Submission of our statement to the ITU

On 05/11/2012, at 3:57 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org<mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org>> wrote:

Discussing with some of us in Baku, there are some who want to publicise the statement now and others who would prefer we submit it to the ITU first with the signatories we have now, before circulating it more widely.

So, I am proposing that we submit it to the ITU at 5:30pm Baku time, which is 1.5 hours from now.  If you haven't signed already and can do so within the next 1.5 hours (by emailing me or the list), please do so.  If this poses a problem because of the need to consult within your organisation, please let me know.

Oh - and we are considering removing the personal names, where the signature is on behalf of an organisation.  If you want your personal name to remain, please let me know.

--

Dr Jeremy Malcolm
Senior Policy Officer
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 7726 1599

Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission

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From genekimmelman at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 07:10:24 2012
From: genekimmelman at gmail.com (Gene Kimmelman)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:10:24 +0400
Subject: Submission of our statement to the ITU
Message-ID: <4wtxaftxc9dfh5c053wxenc2.1352117346324@email.android.com>

I suggest we eliminate all names related to an organization where the organization itself is endorsingAndrew Puddephatt <Andrew at global-partners.co.uk> wrote:Both fine by me
Andrew Puddephatt, Director          Global Partners and Associates

Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK

Office 44 (0)207 549 0350

Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597

andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk


From: Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org>
Date: Monday, 5 November 2012 12:01
To: Best Bits <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject: Re: Submission of our statement to the ITU

On 05/11/2012, at 3:57 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:

Discussing with some of us in Baku, there are some who want to publicise the statement now and others who would prefer we submit it to the ITU first with the signatories we have now, before circulating it more widely.

So, I am proposing that we submit it to the ITU at 5:30pm Baku time, which is 1.5 hours from now.  If you haven't signed already and can do so within the next 1.5 hours (by emailing me or the list), please do so.  If this poses a problem because of the need to consult within your organisation, please let me know.

Oh - and we are considering removing the personal names, where the signature is on behalf of an organisation.  If you want your personal name to remain, please let me know.

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From ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 01:46:06 2012
From: ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com (Narine Khachatryan)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 09:46:06 +0400
Subject: Best wishes for Best Bits without me
In-Reply-To: <CAA5eo1+Bikiq9SwRHifsDBs0w10OJEZHh3G0fLKENh7Hxr2UEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9F46F06E-8BA5-471D-9167-1A72035F4D38@ciroap.org>
 <CALCecM8qVvFfKvHCYMDGqju4P4_tcM6-wf5dmzaY3NRUJhvBmw@mail.gmail.com>
 <7A689315A84A41549510333E72C1958D@derechosdigitales.org> <CAA5eo1+Bikiq9SwRHifsDBs0w10OJEZHh3G0fLKENh7Hxr2UEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPVtaunnQKaV_iH8wfAa1FCAMD+FcO+yX8zWaj0AywKODB8XHA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

Is there instructions how to connect remotely to Best Bits meeting?
Thank you,

Narine

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Brett Solomon <brett at accessnow.org> wrote:

>  I just got here (18 hours late) - the visa situation was interesting, but
> got through unscathed. Now to brave the taxis at 2am :) Brett
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Claudio Ruiz <
> claudio at derechosdigitales.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the same situation. I'm in London because of my Baku flight was
>> cancelled. I'm arriving tomorrow night.
>>
>> -c
>>
>> El viernes, 2 de noviembre de 2012 a las 12:58, Ginger Paque escribió:
>>
>> Sorry to hear this, Jeremy! However, I do think you have organized so
>> well that, indeed, the meeting will be a great success and a solid,
>> productive start to the IGF. See you online in remote participation!
>>
>> Best wishes and safe travels to all.
>> Ginger
>>
>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>
>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>> Diplo Foundation
>> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
>> **
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 November 2012 06:23, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>>
>> I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be staying until
>> tomorrow having missed my connecting flight due to a flight delay.
>> Therefore, I don't expect to be at Best Bits tomorrow.
>>
>> Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally, but since my
>> involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind the scenes, I don't expect
>> that it need have any effect on the success of your discussions and
>> deliberations tomorrow.
>>
>> Andrew has the details of how to establish the web conference - though he
>> may ask one of you to lend him your webcam-enabled computer to use for this
>> - and so I may even be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I
>> arrive in person.
>>
>> All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing how you made
>> this a great meeting in my absence.
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
>> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Executive Director | Access
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> +1 917 969 6077 | skype: brettsolomon | @accessnow
> Key ID: 0x312B641A
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From brett at accessnow.org  Mon Nov  5 07:11:53 2012
From: brett at accessnow.org (Brett Solomon)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 07:11:53 -0500
Subject: Submission of our statement to the ITU
In-Reply-To: <4wtxaftxc9dfh5c053wxenc2.1352117346324@email.android.com>
References: <4wtxaftxc9dfh5c053wxenc2.1352117346324@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAA5eo1+em1NyXPqz0CBdFdQ6otbpvCRXS1uVaVxnceRjhQDqFA@mail.gmail.com>

agreed

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Gene Kimmelman <genekimmelman at gmail.com>wrote:

> I suggest we eliminate all names related to an organization where the
> organization itself is endorsing
>
> Andrew Puddephatt <Andrew at global-partners.co.uk> wrote:
> Both fine by me
>
> *Andrew Puddephatt, Director**          Global Partners and Associates****
> *
>
> *Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK***
>
> *Office **44 (0)207 549 0350***
>
> *Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597***
>
> *andrew at global-partners.co.uk**                  www.global-partners.co.uk
> *****
> **
>
>
> From: Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org>
> Date: Monday, 5 November 2012 12:01
> To: Best Bits <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Subject: Re: Submission of our statement to the ITU
>
> On 05/11/2012, at 3:57 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>
> Discussing with some of us in Baku, there are some who want to publicise
> the statement now and others who would prefer we submit it to the ITU first
> with the signatories we have now, before circulating it more widely.
>
> So, I am proposing that we submit it to the ITU at 5:30pm Baku time, which
> is 1.5 hours from now.  If you haven't signed already and can do so within
> the next 1.5 hours (by emailing me or the list), please do so.  If this
> poses a problem because of the need to consult within your organisation,
> please let me know.
>
>
> Oh - and we are considering removing the personal names, where the
> signature is on behalf of an organisation.  If you want your personal name
> to remain, please let me know.
>
>


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From claudio at derechosdigitales.org  Mon Nov  5 07:12:48 2012
From: claudio at derechosdigitales.org (Claudio Ruiz)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:12:48 +0400
Subject: Submission of our statement to the ITU
In-Reply-To: <4wtxaftxc9dfh5c053wxenc2.1352117346324@email.android.com>
References: <4wtxaftxc9dfh5c053wxenc2.1352117346324@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <42C2B0D024FE41F18103958B8ED399A8@derechosdigitales.org>

+1

El lunes, 5 de noviembre de 2012 a las 16:10, Gene Kimmelman escribió:

> I suggest we eliminate all names related to an organization where the organization itself is endorsing
> Andrew Puddephatt <Andrew at global-partners.co.uk (mailto:Andrew at global-partners.co.uk)> wrote:
> Both fine by me
> Andrew Puddephatt, Director          Global Partners and Associates
> Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
> Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
> Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
> andrew at global-partners.co.uk (mailto:andrew at global-partners.co.uk)                  www.global-partners.co.uk (http://www.global-partners.co.uk/)
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org (mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org)>
> Date: Monday, 5 November 2012 12:01
> To: Best Bits <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org (mailto:bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org)>
> Subject: Re: Submission of our statement to the ITU
>  
> On 05/11/2012, at 3:57 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org (mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org)> wrote:
> > Discussing with some of us in Baku, there are some who want to publicise the statement now and others who would prefer we submit it to the ITU first with the signatories we have now, before circulating it more widely.
> >  
> > So, I am proposing that we submit it to the ITU at 5:30pm Baku time, which is 1.5 hours from now.  If you haven't signed already and can do so within the next 1.5 hours (by emailing me or the list), please do so.  If this poses a problem because of the need to consult within your organisation, please let me know.
> Oh - and we are considering removing the personal names, where the signature is on behalf of an organisation.  If you want your personal name to remain, please let me know.

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From anja at internetdemocracy.in  Mon Nov  5 07:14:53 2012
From: anja at internetdemocracy.in (Anja Kovacs)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:14:53 +0400
Subject: Submission of our statement to the ITU
In-Reply-To: <42C2B0D024FE41F18103958B8ED399A8@derechosdigitales.org>
References: <4wtxaftxc9dfh5c053wxenc2.1352117346324@email.android.com>
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That's fine by me also.

On 5 November 2012 16:12, Claudio Ruiz <claudio at derechosdigitales.org>wrote:

> +1
>
> El lunes, 5 de noviembre de 2012 a las 16:10, Gene Kimmelman escribió:
>
> I suggest we eliminate all names related to an organization where the
> organization itself is endorsing
> Andrew Puddephatt <Andrew at global-partners.co.uk> wrote:
> Both fine by me
>
> *Andrew Puddephatt, Director**          Global Partners and Associates****
> *
>
> *Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK***
>
> *Office **44 (0)207 549 0350***
>
> *Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597***
>
> *andrew at global-partners.co.uk**                  www.global-partners.co.uk
> *****
> **
>
>
> From: Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org>
> Date: Monday, 5 November 2012 12:01
> To: Best Bits <bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Subject: Re: Submission of our statement to the ITU
>
> On 05/11/2012, at 3:57 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>
> Discussing with some of us in Baku, there are some who want to publicise
> the statement now and others who would prefer we submit it to the ITU first
> with the signatories we have now, before circulating it more widely.
>
> So, I am proposing that we submit it to the ITU at 5:30pm Baku time, which
> is 1.5 hours from now.  If you haven't signed already and can do so within
> the next 1.5 hours (by emailing me or the list), please do so.  If this
> poses a problem because of the need to consult within your organisation,
> please let me know.
>
>
> Oh - and we are considering removing the personal names, where the
> signature is on behalf of an organisation.  If you want your personal name
> to remain, please let me know.
>
>
>


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From arthit at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 08:14:49 2012
From: arthit at gmail.com (Arthit Suriyawongkul)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:14:49 +0400
Subject: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <BB635B66-49F5-47A8-952C-033ABB5BF9D8@apc.org>
References: <b4ntx774keu30yo14xyl4sv0.1352032777309@email.android.com>
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Pranesh,

Thai Netizen Network endorse this statement as well.

Thanks everybody for all the efforts.

cheers,
Art



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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Mon Nov  5 08:27:36 2012
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:27:36 +0400
Subject: Civil Society Submission from "Best Bits" pre-IGF Meeting
Message-ID: <5097BEC8.4060001@cis-india.org>

Statement of civil society members and groups participating in the "Best
Bits" pre-IGF meeting at Baku in 2012

We thank the Secretariat of the ITU for making the opportunity to submit
our views.

Nevertheless, the process of the revision of the International
Telecommunication Regulations (ITRs) has not been sufficiently inclusive
and transparent, despite some recent efforts to facilitate public
participation.  Fundamental to the framing of public policy must be the
pursuit of the public interest and fundamental human rights, and we urge
Member States to uphold and protect these values.

We as civil society organizations wish to engage with the World
Conference on International Telecommunication (WCIT) process in this
spirit. Member States, in most cases, have not held open, broad-based,
public consultations in the lead up to the WCIT, nor have they indicated
such a process for the WCIT itself.

In order to address this deficiency, and at a minimum, we would urge:
* All Member States and regional groups to make their proposals
available to the public in sufficient time to allow for meaningful
public participation;
* All delegates to support proposals to open sessions of the WCIT
meeting to the public;
* The ITU Secretariat to increase transparency of the WCIT including
live webcast with the video, audio, and text transcripts, as far as
possible, to enable participation by all, including persons with
disabilities;
* The ITU Secretariat, Member States, and regional groups to make as
much documentation publicly available as possible on the ITU's website,
so that civil society can provide substantive input on proposals as they
are made available;
* Member States to encourage and facilitate civil society participation
in their national delegations;
* The ITU to create spaces during the WCIT for civil society to express
their views, as was done during the WSIS process.

Given the uncertainty about the nature of final proposals that will be
presented, we urge delegates that the following criteria be applied to
any proposed revisions of the ITRs.

* That any proposed revisions are confined to the traditional scope of
the ITRs, where international regulation is required around technical
issues is limited to telecommunications networks and interoperability
standards.
* There should be no revisions to the ITRs that involve regulation of
the Internet Protocol and the layers above.
* There should be no revisions that could have a negative impact on
affordable access to the Internet or the public's rights to privacy and
freedom of expression.

More generally we call upon the ITU to promote principles of net
neutrality, open standards, affordable access and universal service, and
effective competition.

Signatories:
Access (Global)
Association for Progressive Communications (Global)
Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (Bangladesh)
Centre for Internet and Society (India)
Center for Democracy and Technology (United States of America)
Collaboration on International ICT Policy for East and Southern Africa
(Eastern and Southern Africa)
Consumer Council of Fiji (Fiji)
Consumers International (Global)
Electronic Frontier Finland (Finland)
Imagining the Internet Center (United States of America)
Instituto Nupef (Brazil)
Internet Democracy Project (India)
Internet Research Project (Pakistan)
Global Partners and Associates (United Kingdom)
GobernanzadeInternet.co (Antonio Medina Gomez / Colombia)
ICT Watch Indonesia (Indonesia)
Instituto Brasileiro de Defesa do Consumidor / Brazilian Institute for
Consumer Defense (Brazil)
InternetNZ (New Zealand)
IT for Change (India)
Media Education Center (Armenia)
ONG Derechos Digitales (Chile)
OpenMedia (Canada)
Thai Netizen Network (Thailand)
Ginger Paque
Nnenna Nwakanma

-- 
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From dbu at donnybu.com  Mon Nov  5 10:17:03 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 22:17:03 +0700
Subject: sorry, OOT --> Re: WCIT Statement
Message-ID: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>

sorry, oot.

just want to give update, these 2 type of postcards from indonesia civil
society are not allowed to be distributed at igf2012 baku by un officer.
the postcards message about #censorship that could makes (any) certain
government unhappy, according to UN officer. and any materials distributed
in the UN jurisdiction/event, such as IGF, must get approval 1st by UN or
IGF committee. that's the rule and written, as they said to me, couple
moment ago.

f-dbu-

On Monday, November 5, 2012, Arthit Suriyawongkul wrote:

> Pranesh,
>
> Thai Netizen Network endorse this statement as well.
>
> Thanks everybody for all the efforts.
>
> cheers,
> Art
>
>
>
> --
> เครือข่ายพลเมืองเน็ต -- "เปิดเน็ต เปิดใจ"
> Thai Netizen Network -- "Open Net. Open Mind."
> https://www.facebook.com/thainetizen
>


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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Mon Nov  5 10:38:54 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 19:38:54 +0400
Subject: sorry, OOT --> Re: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C793CAD3-B1AF-4040-85BA-27BFD5968BFC@ciroap.org>

This is absolutely shocking and appalling. We have to take action about this. This is a further slide down the slippery slope that we started down under Markus Kummer when the Great Firewall of China posters were taken down - at least those named a country; these don't. Which UN official told you this? Get his name - take his photograph.

-- 
Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek 
host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'

On 5 Nov, 2012, at 7:17 PM, "Donny B.U." <dbu at donnybu.com> wrote:

> sorry, oot.
> 
> just want to give update, these 2 type of postcards from indonesia civil society are not allowed to be distributed at igf2012 baku by un officer. the postcards message about #censorship that could makes (any) certain government unhappy, according to UN officer. and any materials distributed in the UN jurisdiction/event, such as IGF, must get approval 1st by UN or IGF committee. that's the rule and written, as they said to me, couple moment ago.
> 
> f-dbu-
> 
> On Monday, November 5, 2012, Arthit Suriyawongkul wrote:
>> Pranesh,
>> 
>> Thai Netizen Network endorse this statement as well.
>> 
>> Thanks everybody for all the efforts.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> Art
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> เครือข่ายพลเมืองเน็ต -- "เปิดเน็ต เปิดใจ"
>> Thai Netizen Network -- "Open Net. Open Mind."
>> https://www.facebook.com/thainetizen
> 
> 
> -- 
> e: dbu at donnybu.com | t: @donnybu | f: donnybu | w: donnybu.com | p: +62818930932
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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Mon Nov  5 10:38:57 2012
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:38:57 +0400
Subject: UN Censorship
In-Reply-To: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5097DD91.1060504@cis-india.org>

Donny B.U. [2012-11-05 19:17]:
> just want to give update, these 2 type of postcards from indonesia civil
> society are not allowed to be distributed at igf2012 baku by un officer.
> the postcards message about #censorship that could makes (any) certain
> government unhappy, according to UN officer. and any materials distributed
> in the UN jurisdiction/event, such as IGF, must get approval 1st by UN or
> IGF committee. that's the rule and written, as they said to me, couple
> moment ago.

This is even worse than the situation with the Chinese in Sharm, and we
most certainly must respond.

Donny, would you know the name and designation of the UN official?
Could we draft a text at
http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/un-censorship-statement

I'm taking a crack at it right now.

-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash

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From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org  Mon Nov  5 11:05:26 2012
From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:05:26 +0400
Subject: UN Censorship
In-Reply-To: <5097DD91.1060504@cis-india.org>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5097DD91.1060504@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <20121105160526.GA29279@tarvainen.info>

On Nov 05 19:38, Pranesh Prakash (pranesh at cis-india.org) wrote:

> This is even worse than the situation with the Chinese in Sharm, and we
> most certainly must respond.

Absolutely. Is there a picture of the postcards somewhere in the net?

> Donny, would you know the name and designation of the UN official?

Failing that, some brave soul could put the postcards on display
again and have someone wait with a camera...

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From joonas.makinen at effi.org  Mon Nov  5 11:08:07 2012
From: joonas.makinen at effi.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Joonas_M=C3=A4kinen?=)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:08:07 +0200
Subject: sorry, OOT --> Re: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <C793CAD3-B1AF-4040-85BA-27BFD5968BFC@ciroap.org>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <C793CAD3-B1AF-4040-85BA-27BFD5968BFC@ciroap.org>
Message-ID: <CAHWs5gzyHrCKyzRLcM313wbhxnUo6tXDxxo06bZa-F5-qmjAaA@mail.gmail.com>

Better save things like that for the busier days so there's more
possible media coverage. Oh, what a shitstormy week ahead...

2012/11/5 Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org>:
> This is absolutely shocking and appalling. We have to take action about
> this. This is a further slide down the slippery slope that we started down
> under Markus Kummer when the Great Firewall of China posters were taken down
> - at least those named a country; these don't. Which UN official told you
> this? Get his name - take his photograph.
>
> --
> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>
> On 5 Nov, 2012, at 7:17 PM, "Donny B.U." <dbu at donnybu.com> wrote:
>
> sorry, oot.
>
> just want to give update, these 2 type of postcards from indonesia civil
> society are not allowed to be distributed at igf2012 baku by un officer. the
> postcards message about #censorship that could makes (any) certain
> government unhappy, according to UN officer. and any materials distributed
> in the UN jurisdiction/event, such as IGF, must get approval 1st by UN or
> IGF committee. that's the rule and written, as they said to me, couple
> moment ago.
>
> f-dbu-
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2012, Arthit Suriyawongkul wrote:
>>
>> Pranesh,
>>
>> Thai Netizen Network endorse this statement as well.
>>
>> Thanks everybody for all the efforts.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Art
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> เครือข่ายพลเมืองเน็ต -- "เปิดเน็ต เปิดใจ"
>> Thai Netizen Network -- "Open Net. Open Mind."
>> https://www.facebook.com/thainetizen
>
>
>
> --
> e: dbu at donnybu.com | t: @donnybu | f: donnybu | w: donnybu.com | p:
> +62818930932
>
> <photo.jpg>



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www.joonasmakinen.com

Board member, Electronic Frontier Finland, www.effi.org

mobile +358 40 700 5190
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From katitza at eff.org  Sat Nov  3 01:56:01 2012
From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 09:56:01 +0400
Subject: Best wishes for Best Bits without me
In-Reply-To: <CAPVtaunnQKaV_iH8wfAa1FCAMD+FcO+yX8zWaj0AywKODB8XHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9F46F06E-8BA5-471D-9167-1A72035F4D38@ciroap.org> <CALCecM8qVvFfKvHCYMDGqju4P4_tcM6-wf5dmzaY3NRUJhvBmw@mail.gmail.com> <7A689315A84A41549510333E72C1958D@derechosdigitales.org> <CAA5eo1+Bikiq9SwRHifsDBs0w10OJEZHh3G0fLKENh7Hxr2UEQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPVtaunnQKaV_iH8wfAa1FCAMD+FcO+yX8zWaj0AywKODB8XHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5094B1F1.9030400@eff.org>

You can add my skype user, and i can add you to the session. I'm doing 
so with a couple of people.

username: itziaitamar

On 11/3/12 9:46 AM, Narine Khachatryan wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Is there instructions how to connect remotely to Best Bits meeting?
> Thank you,
>
> Narine
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Brett Solomon <brett at accessnow.org 
> <mailto:brett at accessnow.org>> wrote:
>
>      I just got here (18 hours late) - the visa situation was
>     interesting, but got through unscathed. Now to brave the taxis at
>     2am :) Brett
>
>
>     On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Claudio Ruiz
>     <claudio at derechosdigitales.org
>     <mailto:claudio at derechosdigitales.org>> wrote:
>
>         I'm in the same situation. I'm in London because of my Baku
>         flight was cancelled. I'm arriving tomorrow night.
>
>         -c
>
>         El viernes, 2 de noviembre de 2012 a las 12:58, Ginger Paque
>         escribió:
>
>>         Sorry to hear this, Jeremy! However, I do think you have
>>         organized so well that, indeed, the meeting will be a great
>>         success and a solid, productive start to the IGF. See you
>>         online in remote participation!
>>
>>         Best wishes and safe travels to all.
>>         Ginger
>>
>>         Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>
>>         VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu <mailto:VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu>
>>         Diplo Foundation
>>         Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
>>         www.diplomacy.edu/ig <http://www.diplomacy.edu/ig>
>>
>>         *//*
>>
>>
>>
>>         On 2 November 2012 06:23, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org
>>         <mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org>> wrote:
>>>         I am writing from Dubai airport, where I am likely to be
>>>         staying until tomorrow having missed my connecting flight
>>>         due to a flight delay. Therefore, I don't expect to be at
>>>         Best Bits tomorrow.
>>>
>>>         Obviously this is a great disappointment to me personally,
>>>         but since my involvement in Best Bits has been mostly behind
>>>         the scenes, I don't expect that it need have any effect on
>>>         the success of your discussions and deliberations tomorrow.
>>>
>>>         Andrew has the details of how to establish the web
>>>         conference - though he may ask one of you to lend him your
>>>         webcam-enabled computer to use for this - and so I may even
>>>         be able to connect to Best Bits remotely before I arrive in
>>>         person.
>>>
>>>         All the best to each of you, and I look forward to hearing
>>>         how you made this a great meeting in my absence.
>>>
>>>         --
>>>         Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>         Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
>>>         host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org
>>>         <http://5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org>|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>>
>
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     Brett Solomon
>     Executive Director | Access
>     accessnow.org <http://accessnow.org/>| rightscon.org
>     <http://rightscon.org/>
>     +1 917 969 6077 <tel:%2B1%20917%20969%206077> | skype:
>     brettsolomon | @accessnow
>     Key ID: 0x312B641A
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> www.safe.am <http://www.safe.am>
> www.immasin.am <http://www.immasin.am>
> www.mediaeducation.am <http://www.mediaeducation.am/>
>
> Linkedin Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/narinekhachatryan 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/narinekhachatryan>
>


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From joonas.makinen at effi.org  Mon Nov  5 11:09:18 2012
From: joonas.makinen at effi.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Joonas_M=C3=A4kinen?=)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:09:18 +0200
Subject: UN Censorship
In-Reply-To: <20121105160526.GA29279@tarvainen.info>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5097DD91.1060504@cis-india.org> <20121105160526.GA29279@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAHWs5gwOkqaWP3xr83fG9Xsa3pXE9eQ2eWtRQanJsomdMUt=xA@mail.gmail.com>

I uploaded the pic to pastebay:
http://bayimg.com/LAFmEaAEj

Keep sharing!

2012/11/5 Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>:
> On Nov 05 19:38, Pranesh Prakash (pranesh at cis-india.org) wrote:
>
>> This is even worse than the situation with the Chinese in Sharm, and we
>> most certainly must respond.
>
> Absolutely. Is there a picture of the postcards somewhere in the net?
>
>> Donny, would you know the name and designation of the UN official?
>
> Failing that, some brave soul could put the postcards on display
> again and have someone wait with a camera...
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
>



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www.joonasmakinen.com

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mobile +358 40 700 5190
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From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org  Mon Nov  5 11:12:29 2012
From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:12:29 +0400
Subject: UN Censorship
In-Reply-To: <20121105160526.GA29279@tarvainen.info>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5097DD91.1060504@cis-india.org>
 <20121105160526.GA29279@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <20121105161228.GB29279@tarvainen.info>

I just realized I may have inadvertently triggered this:
Azeri TV crew interviewed me this morning and I not only
spoke about censorship problems in Azerbaijan, but I also
had one of those postcards in my hand, prominently visible.
(No, I don't expect the interview to be shown...)

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From pranesh at cis-india.org  Mon Nov  5 11:18:15 2012
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:18:15 +0400
Subject: UN Censorship
In-Reply-To: <20121105161228.GB29279@tarvainen.info>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com> <5097DD91.1060504@cis-india.org> <20121105160526.GA29279@tarvainen.info> <20121105161228.GB29279@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <5097E6C7.2080605@cis-india.org>

Tapani Tarvainen [2012-11-05 20:12]:
> I just realized I may have inadvertently triggered this:
> Azeri TV crew interviewed me this morning and I not only
> spoke about censorship problems in Azerbaijan, but I also
> had one of those postcards in my hand, prominently visible.
> (No, I don't expect the interview to be shown...)

I think that might make it all the more reason for us to be concerned.

If it was premeditated, that in my opinion makes it a worse offence than
mere ignorance.

However, I would really like to know who the official was.

Donny, could you check if this is a correct description of the problem?
http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/un-censorship-statement

Regards,
Pranesh

-- 
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Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash

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From dbu at donnybu.com  Mon Nov  5 12:59:36 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:59:36 +0700
Subject: sorry, OOT --> Re: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <C793CAD3-B1AF-4040-85BA-27BFD5968BFC@ciroap.org>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>
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yes, the UN official is markus kummer. first he took all the postcards that
i put on the public table, then he gave back to me after i asked. but he
ask me not to distribute it.
i already told to markus that no name of the country written in the
postcard.
i also told him that i know the incident of the great firewall of china
posters at sharm el sheikh, since i was there too as part of oni-asia :)
but i dont want to argue with him furthermore, since i know it will be
useless, because learnt from the sharm el sheikh case.

ps: one hour after that, other UN official, i forgot his name, alsso came
to me and ask me not to distribute the postcard.

-dbu-

On Monday, November 5, 2012, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:

> This is absolutely shocking and appalling. We have to take action about
> this. This is a further slide down the slippery slope that we started down
> under Markus Kummer when the Great Firewall of China posters were taken
> down - at least those named a country; these don't. Which UN official told
> you this? Get his name - take his photograph.
>
> --
> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>
> On 5 Nov, 2012, at 7:17 PM, "Donny B.U." <dbu at donnybu.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dbu at donnybu.com');>>
> wrote:
>
> sorry, oot.
>
> just want to give update, these 2 type of postcards from indonesia civil
> society are not allowed to be distributed at igf2012 baku by un officer.
> the postcards message about #censorship that could makes (any) certain
> government unhappy, according to UN officer. and any materials distributed
> in the UN jurisdiction/event, such as IGF, must get approval 1st by UN or
> IGF committee. that's the rule and written, as they said to me, couple
> moment ago.
>
> f-dbu-
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2012, Arthit Suriyawongkul wrote:
>
>> Pranesh,
>>
>> Thai Netizen Network endorse this statement as well.
>>
>> Thanks everybody for all the efforts.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Art
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> เครือข่ายพลเมืองเน็ต -- "เปิดเน็ต เปิดใจ"
>> Thai Netizen Network -- "Open Net. Open Mind."
>> https://www.facebook.com/thainetizen
>>
>
>
> --
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> @donnybu | f: donnybu | w: donnybu.com | p: +62818930932
>
> <photo.jpg>
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From dbu at donnybu.com  Mon Nov  5 13:11:38 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 01:11:38 +0700
Subject: sorry, OOT --> Re: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <CAJOH5-x3Px0cnYx4CNE2yGfqq_zbOTNEB+ceaE+oRLNcbQ_VAg@mail.gmail.com>
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ouch, sorry. its not markus kummer.
ill try to find out soon.

-dbu-

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, Donny B.U. wrote:

> yes, the UN official is markus kummer. first he took all the postcards
> that i put on the public table, then he gave back to me after i asked. but
> he ask me not to distribute it.
> i already told to markus that no name of the country written in the
> postcard.
> i also told him that i know the incident of the great firewall of china
> posters at sharm el sheikh, since i was there too as part of oni-asia :)
> but i dont want to argue with him furthermore, since i know it will be
> useless, because learnt from the sharm el sheikh case.
>
> ps: one hour after that, other UN official, i forgot his name, alsso came
> to me and ask me not to distribute the postcard.
>
> -dbu-
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2012, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>
>> This is absolutely shocking and appalling. We have to take action about
>> this. This is a further slide down the slippery slope that we started down
>> under Markus Kummer when the Great Firewall of China posters were taken
>> down - at least those named a country; these don't. Which UN official told
>> you this? Get his name - take his photograph.
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
>> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>>
>> On 5 Nov, 2012, at 7:17 PM, "Donny B.U." <dbu at donnybu.com> wrote:
>>
>> sorry, oot.
>>
>> just want to give update, these 2 type of postcards from indonesia civil
>> society are not allowed to be distributed at igf2012 baku by un officer.
>> the postcards message about #censorship that could makes (any) certain
>> government unhappy, according to UN officer. and any materials distributed
>> in the UN jurisdiction/event, such as IGF, must get approval 1st by UN or
>> IGF committee. that's the rule and written, as they said to me, couple
>> moment ago.
>>
>> f-dbu-
>>
>> On Monday, November 5, 2012, Arthit Suriyawongkul wrote:
>>
>>> Pranesh,
>>>
>>>  Thai Netizen Network endorse this statement as well.
>>>
>>> Thanks everybody for all the efforts.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Art
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> เครือข่ายพลเมืองเน็ต -- "เปิดเน็ต เปิดใจ"
>>> Thai Netizen Network -- "Open Net. Open Mind."
>>> https://www.facebook.com/thainetizen
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> e: dbu at donnybu.com | t: @donnybu | f: donnybu | w: donnybu.com | p:
>> +62818930932
>>
>> <photo.jpg>
>>
>>
>
> --
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> @donnybu | f: donnybu | w: donnybu.com | p: +62818930932
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From katitza at eff.org  Mon Nov  5 13:18:16 2012
From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 22:18:16 +0400
Subject: sorry, OOT --> Re: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <CAJOH5-x3Px0cnYx4CNE2yGfqq_zbOTNEB+ceaE+oRLNcbQ_VAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com> <C793CAD3-B1AF-4040-85BA-27BFD5968BFC@ciroap.org> <CAJOH5-x3Px0cnYx4CNE2yGfqq_zbOTNEB+ceaE+oRLNcbQ_VAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509802E8.2030104@eff.org>

He is no longer an UN official. He works for ISOC now so I doubt it was him.

On 11/5/12 9:59 PM, Donny B.U. wrote:
> yes, the UN official is markus kummer. first he took all the postcards 
> that i put on the public table, then he gave back to me after i asked. 
> but he ask me not to distribute it.
> i already told to markus that no name of the country written in the 
> postcard.
> i also told him that i know the incident of the great firewall of 
> china posters at sharm el sheikh, since i was there too as part of 
> oni-asia :)
> but i dont want to argue with him furthermore, since i know it will be 
> useless, because learnt from the sharm el sheikh case.
>
> ps: one hour after that, other UN official, i forgot his name, alsso 
> came to me and ask me not to distribute the postcard.
>
> -dbu-
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2012, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>
>     This is absolutely shocking and appalling. We have to take action
>     about this. This is a further slide down the slippery slope that
>     we started down under Markus Kummer when the Great Firewall of
>     China posters were taken down - at least those named a country;
>     these don't. Which UN official told you this? Get his name - take
>     his photograph.
>
>     -- 
>     Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>     Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
>     host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org <http://e164.org>|awk
>     -F! '{print $3}'
>
>     On 5 Nov, 2012, at 7:17 PM, "Donny B.U." <dbu at donnybu.com
>     <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dbu at donnybu.com');>> wrote:
>
>>     sorry, oot.
>>
>>     just want to give update, these 2 type of postcards from
>>     indonesia civil society are not allowed to be distributed at
>>     igf2012 baku by un officer. the postcards message about
>>     #censorship that could makes (any) certain government unhappy,
>>     according to UN officer. and any materials distributed in the UN
>>     jurisdiction/event, such as IGF, must get approval 1st by UN or
>>     IGF committee. that's the rule and written, as they said to me,
>>     couple moment ago.
>>
>>     f-dbu-
>>
>>     On Monday, November 5, 2012, Arthit Suriyawongkul wrote:
>>
>>         Pranesh,
>>
>>         Thai Netizen Network endorse this statement as well.
>>
>>         Thanks everybody for all the efforts.
>>
>>         cheers,
>>         Art
>>
>>
>>         -- 
>>         เครือข่ายพลเมืองเน็ต -- "เปิดเน็ต เปิดใจ"
>>         Thai Netizen Network -- "Open Net. Open Mind."
>>         https://www.facebook.com/thainetizen
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     e: dbu at donnybu.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>>     'dbu at donnybu.com');> | t: @donnybu | f: donnybu | w: donnybu.com
>>     <http://donnybu.com> | p: +62818930932
>>
>>     <photo.jpg>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> | w: donnybu.com <http://donnybu.com> | p: +62818930932
>


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From dbu at donnybu.com  Mon Nov  5 13:20:08 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 01:20:08 +0700
Subject: sorry, OOT --> Re: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <CAJOH5-y4401UTPKCKu9=SMY_unm1-n=0SS92N2PNEQM8O_5mSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C793CAD3-B1AF-4040-85BA-27BFD5968BFC@ciroap.org>
	<CAJOH5-x3Px0cnYx4CNE2yGfqq_zbOTNEB+ceaE+oRLNcbQ_VAg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJOH5-xp27Ts0FgApvQTcyka+AUUrQ1XB3RVmfx-OWmYZiKjFA@mail.gmail.com>

please check
http://waterfilter.skt-w.org/2012/09/08/censorship-at-igf-2009-egypt-by-united-nations/

you can see the old man with gray hair, in the left side of the UN security
(picture 1) or right in the back of the UN security (picture 2).
its the same officer that asked me politely not to distribute the
postcards. sorry i dont know his name :)

-dbu-


On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, Donny B.U. wrote:

> ouch, sorry. its not markus kummer.
> ill try to find out soon.
>
> -dbu-
>
> On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, Donny B.U. wrote:
>
>> yes, the UN official is markus kummer. first he took all the postcards
>> that i put on the public table, then he gave back to me after i asked. but
>> he ask me not to distribute it.
>> i already told to markus that no name of the country written in the
>> postcard.
>> i also told him that i know the incident of the great firewall of china
>> posters at sharm el sheikh, since i was there too as part of oni-asia :)
>> but i dont want to argue with him furthermore, since i know it will be
>> useless, because learnt from the sharm el sheikh case.
>>
>> ps: one hour after that, other UN official, i forgot his name, alsso came
>> to me and ask me not to distribute the postcard.
>>
>> -dbu-
>>
>> On Monday, November 5, 2012, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>>
>>> This is absolutely shocking and appalling. We have to take action about
>>> this. This is a further slide down the slippery slope that we started down
>>> under Markus Kummer when the Great Firewall of China posters were taken
>>> down - at least those named a country; these don't. Which UN official told
>>> you this? Get his name - take his photograph.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
>>> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>>>
>>> On 5 Nov, 2012, at 7:17 PM, "Donny B.U." <dbu at donnybu.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> sorry, oot.
>>>
>>> just want to give update, these 2 type of postcards from indonesia civil
>>> society are not allowed to be distributed at igf2012 baku by un officer.
>>> the postcards message about #censorship that could makes (any) certain
>>> government unhappy, according to UN officer. and any materials distributed
>>> in the UN jurisdiction/event, such as IGF, must get approval 1st by UN or
>>> IGF committee. that's the rule and written, as they said to me, couple
>>> moment ago.
>>>
>>> f-dbu-
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 5, 2012, Arthit Suriyawongkul wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pranesh,
>>>>
>>>>  Thai Netizen Network endorse this statement as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks everybody for all the efforts.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Art
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> เครือข่ายพลเมืองเน็ต -- "เปิดเน็ต เปิดใจ"
>>>> Thai Netizen Network -- "Open Net. Open Mind."
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thainetizen
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> e: dbu at donnybu.com | t: @donnybu | f: donnybu | w: donnybu.com | p:
>>> +62818930932
>>>
>>> <photo.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> e: dbu at donnybu.com | t: @donnybu | f: donnybu | w: donnybu.com | p:
>> +62818930932
>>
>>
>
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From dbu at donnybu.com  Mon Nov  5 13:24:10 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 01:24:10 +0700
Subject: sorry, OOT --> Re: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <509802E8.2030104@eff.org>
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i'm so sorry,i just remember the face not the name. so, yes, he is not
markus kummer (i just googling, comparing the name with the pics). i just
sent url about the UN officer's picture that not allowed me to distribute
the postcard, in other email.


-dbu-

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, Katitza Rodriguez wrote:

>  He is no longer an UN official. He works for ISOC now so I doubt it was
> him.
>
> On 11/5/12 9:59 PM, Donny B.U. wrote:
>
> yes, the UN official is markus kummer. first he took all the postcards
> that i put on the public table, then he gave back to me after i asked. but
> he ask me not to distribute it.
> i already told to markus that no name of the country written in the
> postcard.
> i also told him that i know the incident of the great firewall of china
> posters at sharm el sheikh, since i was there too as part of oni-asia :)
> but i dont want to argue with him furthermore, since i know it will be
> useless, because learnt from the sharm el sheikh case.
>
>  ps: one hour after that, other UN official, i forgot his name, alsso
> came to me and ask me not to distribute the postcard.
>
>  -dbu-
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2012, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>
>>  This is absolutely shocking and appalling. We have to take action about
>> this. This is a further slide down the slippery slope that we started down
>> under Markus Kummer when the Great Firewall of China posters were taken
>> down - at least those named a country; these don't. Which UN official told
>> you this? Get his name - take his photograph.
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>> Internet and Open Source lawyer, consumer advocate, geek
>> host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
>>
>> On 5 Nov, 2012, at 7:17 PM, "Donny B.U." <dbu at donnybu.com> wrote:
>>
>>  sorry, oot.
>>
>>  just want to give update, these 2 type of postcards from indonesia
>> civil society are not allowed to be distributed at igf2012 baku by un
>> officer. the postcards message about #censorship that could makes (any)
>> certain government unhappy, according to UN officer. and any materials
>> distributed in the UN jurisdiction/event, such as IGF, must get approval
>> 1st by UN or IGF committee. that's the rule and written, as they said to
>> me, couple moment ago.
>>
>>  f-dbu-
>>
>> On Monday, November 5, 2012, Arthit Suriyawongkul wrote:
>>
>>> Pranesh,
>>>
>>>  Thai Netizen Network endorse this statement as well.
>>>
>>>  Thanks everybody for all the efforts.
>>>
>>>  cheers,
>>> Art
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> เครือข่ายพลเมืองเน็ต -- "เปิดเน็ต เปิดใจ"
>>> Thai Netizen Network -- "Open Net. Open Mind."
>>> https://www.facebook.com/thainetizen
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> e: dbu at donnybu.com | t: @donnybu | f: donnybu | w: donnybu.com | p:
>> +62818930932
>>
>>   <photo.jpg>
>>
>>
>
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>
>
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>
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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Mon Nov  5 13:46:17 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 22:46:17 +0400
Subject: sorry, OOT --> Re: WCIT Statement
In-Reply-To: <CAJOH5-we1K_L1Xj6cNQqLHQCCvm_oww1xH0gEM4yLiB8twL2Jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com> <C793CAD3-B1AF-4040-85BA-27BFD5968BFC@ciroap.org> <CAJOH5-x3Px0cnYx4CNE2yGfqq_zbOTNEB+ceaE+oRLNcbQ_VAg@mail.gmail.com> <509802E8.2030104@eff.org> <CAJOH5-we1K_L1Xj6cNQqLHQCCvm_oww1xH0gEM4yLiB8twL2Jw@mail.gmail.com>
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On 05/11/2012, at 10:24 PM, "Donny B.U." <dbu at donnybu.com> wrote:

> i'm so sorry,i just remember the face not the name. so, yes, he is not markus kummer (i just googling, comparing the name with the pics). i just sent url about the UN officer's picture that not allowed me to distribute the postcard, in other email.

I've been paging through here, but with no luck so far:

http://www.unmultimedia.org/photo/index.jsp

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From nb at bollow.ch  Mon Nov  5 15:35:57 2012
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 21:35:57 +0100
Subject: An even more serious human rights issue
Message-ID: <CALrvCLB1s+czR=a6G-HnfxfY2mESDGvUQcBnjnPfKAfRp0yF8A@mail.gmail.com>

At the Google event tonight, at which very serious local freedom of
expression violations were very skillfully illuminated, there was an
intervention from a young Azeri woman in the audience pointing to a
refugee camp situation as an even more serious human rights violation.
Even if some of what she said was clearly propaganda and not to be
taken too seriously (this includes the attempt to blame the issue of
the displacements connected to the Nagorno-Karabakh war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_War exclusively on the
Armenians, as well as the exaggerated number of a million refugees) it
seems to me that she has a point that it is highly inappropriate if we
(the international community of people who claim to care about human
rights) criticize only the freedom of expression violations but not
the apparantly even more serious issues regarding these refugees.

It seems to me that the Armenian-Azeri conflict probably needs a
longterm externally mediated peacebuilding effort, and in addition
there appear to be some immediate human rights violations with regard
to some of the displaced persons that might get stopped quickly if
they are given the right kind of international attention:

http://thewip.net/contributors/2011/01/refugees_in_azerbaijan_defiant.html

Greetings,
Norbert


From deborah at accessnow.org  Sat Nov  3 06:37:09 2012
From: deborah at accessnow.org (Deborah Brown)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 06:37:09 -0400
Subject: Info from ITU on participation at WCIT
Message-ID: <CALU7RQY89225sHHVoLndmm-m2JQiZdkA8yJCRDukr-RcCi5Giw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Access has received some information from the ITU Secretariat regarding
avenues of participation for civil society/public on WCIT that we thought
might be of interest to this list.

Apologies for cross posting.

Best,
Deborah


 1. Public Comments page

The publicly accessible webpage was established so that all stakeholders
could express their views until one month before the Conference. Member
States may use the submitted comments in any way they consider appropriate
and civil society organizations are of course welcome to encourage member
states to take their concerns and proposals on board.

The ITU Secretariat will not summarize or compile the submitted comments.
The Secretariat was specifically instructed not to process the comments in
any way, so the Secretariat will not be producing a compiled document, nor
will the comments be translated.  The reason for the 3 November deadline is
that that is the deadline on which Member States are encouraged to submit
their contributions, so we decided to apply the same deadline to the public
comments.  Member States can submit contributions after 3 November, so they
can take all the public comments into account if they wish.  Any Member
State can, at any time, submit a contribution, which contribution could
include any of the public comments and the ITU Secretariat will continue to
regularly inform and promote to its Members about the public consultation
platform. Sfter the deadline we will be following up with a letter to
Member States reiterating what has been said previously i.e. “Member States
are encouraged to give due consideration to views and opinions expressed at
this website in their preparation for the WCIT-12.”

2. Delegation deadlines

According to the Convention of the ITU and the General Rules for
Conferences, Assemblies and Meetings of the ITU (CV49 and GR Ch I, Sections
1&2 – all texts available here:
http://www.itu.int/net/about/basic-texts/index.aspx ) – Host Country
invites Member States and invites them to communicate to SG at earliest
convenience whether Government accepts the invitation. *No deadline to
register* (Registration for WCIT-12 opened on 20 August and will remain
open throughout the event). *No limit* on number of delegates in a
delegation. Depending on room capacity, larger delegations may not be
guaranteed total number of seats together. Worth recalling too that each
Member State is free to make up its delegation as it wishes.

3. Civil Society Participation

GR 164 provides that the press and the public may be present at WCIT. This,
in principle and practice is a formality, and is formally decided at the
meeting of Heads of Delegations at opening of WCIT-12 on Monday, 3rd Dec
2012. There is therefore no formal mechanism for Civsoc registration.
However, if Civsoc delegates want to announce their wish to attend, they
can do so by informing wcitregistration at itu.int. The secretariat will be
happy to provide feedback on the conference decision regarding admitting
press and public to WCIT. This information, of course, can only be provided
on 3 Dec, keeping in mind also that the conference runs for two weeks.

In accordance with practice, it will be proposed that the press and the
public be admitted to the plenary meetings and to plenary sessions of
substantive committees. In principle, all other meetings are private (e.g.
working groups, focus groups…).

4.  Public Webcast

In accordance with practice, WCIT plenary meetings and plenary sessions of
substantive committees will be broadcast to ITU membership. As mentioned
above media participation is confirmed at the opening of the meeting and
standard practice would imply that this is perfunctory – in this context
webcast of plenary sessions should follow. Communications will follow up
more on this to try and get complete confirmation.

We will be ready to live stream (technically speaking) once the green light
is given by membership at the opening plus we would intend that the event
be broadcast live in all six official languages, and the sessions can
archived for future viewing and download. Communications is fully preparing
for a live webcast in anticipation of the official endorsement from the
Conference which has traditionally been the case.





-- 
Deborah Brown
Policy Analyst
Access | AccessNow.org
E. deborah at accessnow.org
S. deborah.l.brown
T. deblebrown
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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Mon Nov  5 22:39:21 2012
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 07:39:21 +0400
Subject: UN Censorship
In-Reply-To: <5097E6C7.2080605@cis-india.org>
References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com> <5097DD91.1060504@cis-india.org> <20121105160526.GA29279@tarvainen.info> <20121105161228.GB29279@tarvainen.info> <5097E6C7.2080605@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <50988669.90500@cis-india.org>

Here's a draft statement.  Please feel free to edit it directly:
http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/un-censorship-statement

A few things we still need to figure out:
1. Who the officials were.
2. Whether the postcards were being handed out of if they were kept at a
stall, and in either case, where.
3. What rules, if any, govern the conduct of UN meetings and what may be
distributed at such meetings.  As far as I know there are different
rules of procedure for different UN organizations.  And as far as I
remember, we were never presented any written rules on this issue in Sharm.
4. What exactly we should be asking for and from whom?
5. Apart from a mere statement, what else should we do?  Arthit and Anja
suggested that we all hand out these postcards (or photocopies of them)
tomorrow.
6. Could we get governments and inter-governmental organizations (and
independent rapporteurs, etc.) to endorse a statement or otherwise
comment on this incident?
7. Whether these incidents are symptomatic of a larger problem with the
IGF being located within the United Nations, or if that feeling is
merely over-reaction?


====

Statement of Undersigned [Civil Society Organizations and Members / CS
and Industry and Governments and Inter-governmental Organizations] on
Restrictions of Freedom of Speech at the Internet Governance Forum

On the evening of Monday, November 5, 2012 at the Internet Governance
Forum (IGF) happening in Baku, attendees from an Indonesian civil
society organization (ICT Watch) were prevented from distributing
postcards that read "Government Censorship: Protecting You From
Reality"[1], and "What if... all the media runs the same story?"[2].
They were prevented from doing so by a person who identified himself as
a United Nations official.  [Name? Designation?]

They were told that these postcards would make [any / some / certain]
government[s] "unhappy", and that "written rules" required that any
materials distributed at an event organized by the United Nations event,
such as the IGF, require prior approval by the UN or the "IGF Committee".

Such restrictions on distribution of materials about censorship is
highly objectionable and is completely unacceptable.  This goes against
accepted international principles of human rights, including Article 19
of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 10 of the European
[Convention] on Human Rights.  The IGF, as a UN-convened forum, is
committed to promotion of all human rights, including the freedom of
opinion and expression.  Indeed, this principle is reaffirmed in
Paragraph 42 of the Tunis Agenda for the Information Society.

[We would like to note that this is not the first time that such a
restriction of freedom of expression has taken place at the IGF.  At the
IGF in Sharm el-Sheikh in 2009, UN officials objected to a poster that
referred to censorship in a UN Member State.  In the present case, the
material did not even refer to specific UN Member States[— indeed even
preventing attendees from peacefully distributing materials that name UN
Member States amounts to censorship of political views].]

This certainly proves the concerns about censorship expressed by various
speakers at the IGF, and that content of the postcards in question, were
indeed justified and relevant.

We urge [ ] to [ ].

-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director
Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash

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From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org  Mon Nov  5 23:43:22 2012
From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:43:22 +0400
Subject: UN Censorship
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References: <CAJOH5-xoN0bQ0C0hHecJhJxdqrdOz5rQZCEE3txTk=gB-ddfYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5097DD91.1060504@cis-india.org>
 <20121105160526.GA29279@tarvainen.info>
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 <5097E6C7.2080605@cis-india.org>
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Message-ID: <20121106044322.GA6607@tarvainen.info>

On Nov 06 07:39, Pranesh Prakash (pranesh at cis-india.org) wrote:

> Here's a draft statement.  Please feel free to edit it directly:
> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/un-censorship-statement

Good start.

> A few things we still need to figure out:
[...]
> 2. Whether the postcards were being handed out of if they were kept at a
> stall, and in either case, where.

I picked one up from a heap on a desk, I didn't see anybody
handing them out.

The other questions I'd like answered as well.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From deborah at accessnow.org  Tue Nov  6 01:21:07 2012
From: deborah at accessnow.org (Deborah Brown)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:21:07 +0400
Subject: Hoping to get your sign on- Civil Society Unity Statement on WCIT
Message-ID: <CALU7RQa5ALywus5rcPtK7eUKtd_uU1F9ef7p3nzf0qCtweEVQA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

We're really thrilled to have been part of the Best Bits statement and that
it has been submitted with such broad sign on.

As many of you know, there's been a really concise, less technical
statement, that a number of groups have been involved in drafting and
reviewing, a process that started a many weeks ago.

More so than critiquing specific proposals, the goal of this statement is
to mobilize grassroots groups and actors, and to get out a very simple
message about the potential implications of the ITR revisions for human
rights. The rationale for this statement is to create a concise rallying
cry that diverse international civil society groups and individuals can
sign - once they sign, the groups will be asked to activate their networks
to be involved in other activism efforts and individuals will be contacted
about future activism efforts as well.

Unlike the Best Bits submission, it is intentionally brief - this was
created for organizations and people who aren't deeply engaged on this
issue. That said, we think it's very important to get broad sign on from
groups on this list because of your expertise and influence.

We're also planning to submit the statement to the ITU comments page. The
following groups have signed on to the statement of unity: Access, Center
for Democracy and Technology, Consumers International, Electronic Frontier
Foundation (EFF), Fight For The Future, Free Press,Human Rights Watch, ICT
Watch Indonesia, Mamfakinch, May First/People Link,, OpenMedia
(Canada), OpenMedia
(International), Open Technology Institute, Reporters Without Borders,
Samuelson
Glushko Canadian Internet Policy & Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC), and Thai
Netizen Network.

The text of the of the unity statement is below. *Please email Steve
Anderson at OpenMedia (steve at openmedia.ca) or reply to this email if your
organization would like to sign on*. We are also accepting sign on from
individuals. You can also view the statement at
http://protectinternetfreedom.net/ (just note that there will be some small
tweaks to the website).

*On December 3rd, the world’s governments will meet to update a key treaty
of a UN agency called the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). Some
governments are proposing to extend ITU authority to Internet governance in
ways that could threaten Internet openness and innovation, increase access
costs, and erode human rights online.*
*
*
*We call on civil society organizations and citizens of all nations to sign
the following Statement to Protect Global Internet Freedom:*
*
*
*Internet governance decisions should be made in a transparent manner with
genuine multistakeholder participation from civil society, governments, and
the private sector. We call on the ITU and its member states to embrace
transparency and reject any proposals that might expand ITU authority to
areas of Internet governance that threaten the exercise of human rights
online.*

Deborah Brown
Policy Analyst
Access | AccessNow.org
E. deborah at accessnow.org
S. deborah.l.brown
T. deblebrown
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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Tue Nov  6 01:39:46 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:39:46 +0400
Subject: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
References: <2BA01659-8281-47ED-812A-725E656307DF@unog.ch>
Message-ID: <4647C94D-5657-42A9-9F98-EA82DCB0F0D5@ciroap.org>

So here is the official line.  Questions that this opens up:

1. If the issue was with "random placement" of the postcards, it should be fine to distribute the postcards from any booth that is willing to host them within the IGF Village.  So, can we test that hypothesis?  Donny, can you try that and see what happens?

2. One of the postcards had a specific reference to a country?  There is none that I could see, but maybe it is on the reverse side?

3. Like last time, the official rationalisation seems to differ from what the individual concerned was told at the time.  This in itself is a problem - they are making up the rules as they go along.

I have edited the document on the pad at http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/un-censorship-statement.  I think we have enough information now to finalise the statement soon and start gathering support and disseminating it.

Do we have any press contacts on this list who could attend the IGF official press conference and raise this matter?

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
> Subject: Re: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
> Date: 6 November 2012 9:56:06 AM GMT+04:00
> To: jeremy at ciroap.org
> 
> Hi Jeremy,
> 
> The main thing about the postcards is that we discourage the random placement of literature across the IGF venue. We have designated places where people or organisations can deposit their materials for distribution or pick up by interested individuals.
> 
> Of the two post cards that I saw, there was no problem with one but the other had a specific reference to a country, as you know there is a standard  UN policy of not  singling out specific entities or people but rather to address the issue. (We hold that it is unfair to single out one entity if the issue is not endemic to that particular entity). A perfunctory check is done to make sure that this is not the case. This is done in an effort to enable free, open and respectful discussion, (which in my view is essential in the IGF).
> 
> One of the UN staff had a polite talk with the gentleman distributing the postcards and he seemed to understand.
> 
> Best regards 
> 
> Chengetai 

-- 
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Senior Policy Officer
Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
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From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org  Tue Nov  6 01:57:12 2012
From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:57:12 +0400
Subject: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
In-Reply-To: <4647C94D-5657-42A9-9F98-EA82DCB0F0D5@ciroap.org>
References: <2BA01659-8281-47ED-812A-725E656307DF@unog.ch>
 <4647C94D-5657-42A9-9F98-EA82DCB0F0D5@ciroap.org>
Message-ID: <20121106065712.GB14121@tarvainen.info>

On Nov 06 10:39, Jeremy Malcolm (jeremy at ciroap.org) wrote:

> 2. One of the postcards had a specific reference to a country? There
> is none that I could see, but maybe it is on the reverse side?

The one I have ("Government censorship protecting you from
reality") has a stamp-looking sign on the back with text

"Travel warning
<presented by>
      #Indonesia
<ictwatch forum>
dangerously beautiful"

I've used <> to indicate smaller font - at first look
it seems to say just

"Travel warning - INDONESIA - dangerously beautiful"

While that is a reference to Indonesia, calling it
"dangerously beautiful" sounds like travel advertisement
to me, not any kind of criticism. But I guess it could be
interpreted to be against the rule.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From jeremy at ciroap.org  Tue Nov  6 02:01:16 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:01:16 +0400
Subject: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
In-Reply-To: <20121106065712.GB14121@tarvainen.info>
References: <2BA01659-8281-47ED-812A-725E656307DF@unog.ch> <4647C94D-5657-42A9-9F98-EA82DCB0F0D5@ciroap.org> <20121106065712.GB14121@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <6CD79333-EE54-487B-A18F-40375A4E09C3@ciroap.org>

On 06/11/2012, at 10:57 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote:

> "Travel warning - INDONESIA - dangerously beautiful"
> 
> While that is a reference to Indonesia, calling it
> "dangerously beautiful" sounds like travel advertisement
> to me, not any kind of criticism. But I guess it could be
> interpreted to be against the rule.


Ah, that makes sense - I have that too, and you're right, it's meant as promotion of Indonesia, not to associate it with the message about censorship.

-- 
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Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers
Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
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From Andrew at global-partners.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 02:12:53 2012
From: Andrew at global-partners.co.uk (Andrew Puddephatt)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 07:12:53 +0000
Subject: meeting with US delegation
In-Reply-To: <50988669.90500@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <CCBE683F.1FE1B%andrew@global-partners.co.uk>

You might remember that we have been invited to meet with two senior
members of the US delegation to the IGF as a "Best Bits" group to discuss
our issues with them.  The meeting will be held on
Thursday at 12:30 in  Room E

Can you give me an idea if you're planning to come so I can pass on an
idea of the numbers?

Thanks 




Andrew Puddephatt, Director
Global Partners and Associates
Development House, 56-64 Leonard St, EC2A 4LT, UK
Office 44 (0)207 549 0350
Mobile: +44 (0)771 339 9597
andrew at global-partners.co.uk                  www.global-partners.co.uk
<http://www.global-partners.co.uk/>


>



From dbu at donnybu.com  Tue Nov  6 02:17:21 2012
From: dbu at donnybu.com (Donny B.U.)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:17:21 +0700
Subject: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
In-Reply-To: <4647C94D-5657-42A9-9F98-EA82DCB0F0D5@ciroap.org>
References: <2BA01659-8281-47ED-812A-725E656307DF@unog.ch>
	<4647C94D-5657-42A9-9F98-EA82DCB0F0D5@ciroap.org>
Message-ID: <CAJOH5-xRbctd+0qM7MUJajAvBpr6Q6s6vtWUL5MgJZhS2EUjhQ@mail.gmail.com>

1. random placement? i put on the on the public table and on the table of
indonesian booth. yesterday, we were preparing indonesian booth. so because
the table still empty, then we put some of the postcard at the table.
because we dont want our booth look empty, since other booth already has
content. so, we are not use the postcard for against indonesia government
;D even we are helping our government to atke care the booth, the id-igf
also the next igf in bali. but all the postcard in the indonesia booth all
taken away in the first time, when we go out for lunch.  because its
indonesian booth, i believe the indonesian gov that have right to objection
with the postcard, not the UN :)

2. reference country? i attached  what maybe the UN mean with that. it's a
marketing buzzword, "dangerously beautiful".. please do googling, and you
will find that word as promotion of indonesia by anyone.

i dont want to argue furthermore with the UN officer, also because when he
asked me not to distribute the postcards, around me are people from
indonesian embassy including the ambasador and from the ict ministry. i
have to respect them, as the formal delegation that will fight for the next
igf.

regards,

-dbu-

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:

> So here is the official line.  Questions that this opens up:
>
> 1. If the issue was with "random placement" of the postcards, it should be
> fine to distribute the postcards from any booth that is willing to host
> them within the IGF Village.  So, can we test that hypothesis?  Donny, can
> you try that and see what happens?
>
> 2. One of the postcards had a specific reference to a country?  There is
> none that I could see, but maybe it is on the reverse side?
>
> 3. Like last time, the official rationalisation seems to differ from what
> the individual concerned was told at the time.  This in itself is a problem
> - they are making up the rules as they go along.
>
> I have edited the document on the pad at
> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/un-censorship-statement.  I think we have
> enough information now to finalise the statement soon and start gathering
> support and disseminating it.
>
> Do we have any press contacts on this list who could attend the IGF
> official press conference and raise this matter?
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
> *Subject: **Re: Censorship of postcards at the IGF*
> *Date: *6 November 2012 9:56:06 AM GMT+04:00
> *To: *jeremy at ciroap.org
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> The main thing about the postcards is that we discourage the random
> placement of literature across the IGF venue. We have designated places
> where people or organisations can deposit their materials for distribution
> or pick up by interested individuals.
>
> Of the two post cards that I saw, there was no problem with one but the
> other had a specific reference to a country, as you know there is a
> standard  UN policy of not  singling out specific entities or people but
> rather to address the issue. (We hold that it is unfair to single out one
> entity if the issue is not endemic to that particular entity). A
> perfunctory check is done to make sure that this is not the case. This is
> done in an effort to enable free, open and respectful discussion, (which in
> my view is essential in the IGF).
>
> One of the UN staff had a polite talk with the gentleman distributing the
> postcards and he seemed to understand.
>
> Best regards
>
> Chengetai
>
>
>    --
>
> *Dr Jeremy Malcolm
> Senior Policy Officer
> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers*
> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East
> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur,
> Malaysia
> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599
>
> *Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015:*
> http://consint.info/RightsMission
>
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From jeremy at ciroap.org  Tue Nov  6 02:29:48 2012
From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:29:48 +0400
Subject: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
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On 06/11/2012, at 11:17 AM, "Donny B.U." <dbu at donnybu.com> wrote:

> i dont want to argue furthermore with the UN officer, also because when he asked me not to distribute the postcards, around me are people from indonesian embassy including the ambasador and from the ict ministry. i have to respect them, as the formal delegation that will fight for the next igf. 

But you are OK that we raise it as a broader issue?  In the latest draft of the statement, I am concluding:

"We urge the IGF Secretariat to clarify the position relating to the distribution of written materials at the IGF, and not to inhibit their distribution except in accordance with a clear set of written rules that has been promulgated to all delegates in advance.  Such rules should not blindly adhere to the UN protocols that may subsist in intergovernmental fora, given that the IGF is not a UN body but operates on a unique multi-stakeholder basis that encourages free and open discussion."

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From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org  Tue Nov  6 02:36:23 2012
From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:36:23 +0400
Subject: Censorship of postcards at the IGF
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On Nov 06 14:17, Donny B.U. (dbu at donnybu.com) wrote:

> 1. random placement? i put on the on the public table and on the table of
> indonesian booth. yesterday, we were preparing indonesian booth. so because
> the table still empty, then we put some of the postcard at the table.
> because we dont want our booth look empty, since other booth already has
> content. so, we are not use the postcard for against indonesia government

Maybe it would help if someone contacted Indonesian official
representatives with the message that we'd like to help
Indonesia in this wonderful promotion of theirs and are
confused by UN's reaction to it, or something like that?

> because its indonesian booth, i believe the indonesian gov that
> have right to objection with the postcard, not the UN :)

Agreed. It can be seen as UN action against Indonesia.

> 2. reference country? i attached  what maybe the UN mean with that. it's a
> marketing buzzword, "dangerously beautiful".. please do googling, and you
> will find that word as promotion of indonesia by anyone.

Right you are.

> i dont want to argue furthermore with the UN officer, also because
> when he asked me not to distribute the postcards, around me are
> people from indonesian embassy including the ambasador and from the
> ict ministry. i have to respect them, as the formal delegation that
> will fight for the next igf.

Understood. But playing this right we might get them to pick up the
issue themselves, perhaps.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Nov 30 23:55:36 2012
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 10:25:36 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] The Necessity of an Inclusive, Transparent and
 Participatory Internet
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Yes, a rather good statement. And such a positive reference to the 'best 
bits' is very encouraging.

It also instructive that the US statement singled out the 'best bits' 
statement from scores of other statements on the same issue that are 
floating around .... In my judgement it is for the reason that a forum/ 
meeting associated with a UN forum/ meeting, and with, even if 
insufficient, global representation has much greater legitimacy than 
any  group/ statement which in North centric - however well resourced, 
and powerful, and however well polished its campaigns may be. (Nothing 
against well resourced and well polished campaigns; we as an advocacy 
organisation would ourselves always try to do well resourced and well 
polished campaigns) .

The Best Bits platform should build on this special legitimacy as a kind 
of a permanent pre-IGF civil society event.

Meanwhile, to add salt to the serving, I do have some cynical comments 
on the US statement as well...

When they say that global Internet issues should be taken up at 
"suitable multistakeholder venues so that these discussions are well 
informed by the voices of all interested parties"

That obvious question is that does the US consider the OECD's Internet 
policy/ principles making mechanism multistakeholder, since US claims 
(the democratic party's election manisfesto says so) that they recently 
negotiated 'global' principles of Internet policy making at the OECD. 
This has to be seen along with the fact that the US is not pushing to 
'take' these principles to other, non OECD, countries....

And if indeed US thinks that the OECD forum is multistakeholder, why 
would a very similar forum - with exactly the same stkaeholder 
participation model - and with all countries involved in an equal 
measure (which is what the UN CIRP proposal essentially is) be 
considered not multistakeholder  - and thus presumable out of the list 
of the forums implied by the below statement where different kinds of 
global IG issues can/ should be taken...

parminder





On Saturday 01 December 2012 02:02 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
> Rather amazing statement.
>
> avri
>
> On 1 Dec 2012, at 00:23, Deborah Brown wrote:
>
>> FYI- Note the reference to Best Bits below.
>>
>>
>> The blog below is being posted on NTIA, State and FCC websites
>>
>> The Necessity of an Inclusive, Transparent and Participatory Internet
>>
>> On the eve of the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT), we believe that it is the right time to reaffirm the U.S. Government's commitment to the multistakeholder model as the appropriate process for addressing Internet policy and governance issues.  The multistakeholder model has enabled the Internet to flourish.  It has promoted freedom of expression, both online and off.  It has ensured the Internet is a robust, open platform for innovation, investment, economic growth and the creation of wealth throughout the world, including in developing countries.
>>
>> There are those who may suggest next week in Dubai - and in future venues where Internet policy is discussed - that the United States controls the Internet. Alternatively, they may suggest that in the future governments alone should run the Internet.  Our response is grounded in the reality that this is simply not the case.  The Internet is a decentralized network of networks and there is no one party - government or industry - that controls the Internet today.  And that's a good thing.
>>
>> The Internet's decentralized, multistakeholder processes enable us all to benefit from the  engagement of all interested parties. By encouraging the participation of industry, civil society, technical and academic experts, and governments from around the globe, multistakeholder processes result in broader and more creative problem solving.  This is essential when dealing with the Internet, which thrives through the cooperation of many different parties.
>>
>> The global community has many serious topics to discuss with respect to the Internet.  Collectively, we need to ensure that these matters are taken up in suitable multistakeholder venues so that these discussions are well informed by the voices of all interested parties.
>> Our commitment to the multistakeholder model is based on the fact that transparency, inclusion and participation are the 21st century standards governing discussions related to modern communications.  This is a view shared by many around the world and was most recently reiterated by a statement of civil society members and groups from around the world who participated in the "Best Bits" pre-Internet Governance Forum (IGF) meeting held earlier this month in Baku, Azerbaijan.  The U.S. Government wishes to lend its support to the spirit of the recommendations contained in the statement.
>>
>> We have and will continue to advocate for an Internet that is not dominated by any one player or group of players, and one that is free from bureaucratic layers that cannot keep up with the pace of change.  We will work with everyone to ensure that we have a global Internet that allows all voices to be heard.
>>
>> ----------------------
>> Lawrence E. Strickling, Administrator, National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA)
>>
>> Julius Genachowski, Chairman, Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
>>
>> Phillip L. Verveer, U.S. Coordinator for International Communications and Information Policy, State Department
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Deborah Brown
>> Policy Analyst
>> Access | AccessNow.org
>> E. deborah at accessnow.org
>> S. deborah.l.brown
>> T. deblebrown
>> PGP 0x5EB4727D
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