<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Apologies, full post.<br><br><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><a href="https://isoc.live/20115" style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(29,66,137)"><img class="gmail-alignright gmail-size-medium gmail-wp-image-20116" src="https://i0.wp.com/isoc.live/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/citi-next.png?resize=300%2C169&ssl=1" alt="ISOC LIVE" width="300" height="169" style="box-sizing: inherit; height: auto; max-width: 100%; float: right; margin-left: 1.5em;"></a><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700"><a href="https://youtu.be/G_QU7LbGNLo" style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(29,66,137)">LIVESTREAM</a> | <a href="https://isoc.live/20115" style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(29,66,137)">PERMALINK</a></span></p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px">On <span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Friday January 23, 2026</span>, the <span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700"><a href="https://business.columbia.edu/citi" style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(29,66,137)">Columbia Institute for Tele-Information</a></span> (CITI) will convene a full-day conference ‘<span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700"><a href="https://www.eventbrite.com/e/conference-into-the-next-digital-generation-tickets-1977032113271" style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(29,66,137)">Into the Next Digital Generation: Lessons from Yesterday, Predictions for Tomorrow. A Tribute to the 42 Years of the Columbia Institute for Tele-Information’</a></span> at Columbia University in NYC. The event, which will be followed by a gala dinner, serves as a celebration and tribute to the Institute, which will be closing with the retirement of founder, <span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700"><a href="https://business.columbia.edu/faculty/people/eli-noam" style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(29,66,137)">Professor Eli Noam</a></span>.</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px">CITI was the first research center dedicated to communications economics, management, and policy established at a US management school. Over the past 42 years, CITI has published 75 books and hundreds of articles, hosted nearly one thousand conferences, run several webinar series, and welcomed numerous visiting scholars and interns from around the world.</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px">The conference will be webcast via <span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700"><a href="https://isoc.live/20115" style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(29,66,137)">ISOC LIVE</a></span>. An attempt will be made to record the dinner speeches.</p><h2 style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0.8em 0px 0.4em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:1.4em;line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51)">PROGRAM (All times EST = UTC-5)</h2><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">9:00 Opening and Welcome</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Costis Maglaras</span> – Dean, Columbia Business School</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">9:15 Introduction</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Eli Noam</span> – Emeritus Garrett Professor of Public Policy and Business Responsibility, Prof. of Economics, and Director, CITI</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">9:30 Telecom and Internet Infrastructure: The Invisible Resource</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Erik Bohlin</span> – Professor, Ivey University (Canada) & Chalmers University of Technology (Sweden)<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Johannes Bauer</span> – Quello Chair for Media and Information Policy, Michigan State University<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Raul Katz</span> – Director of Business Strategy, CITI, and President, Telecom Advisory Services<br style="box-sizing:inherit">Co-Moderators and Respondents:<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Robert Pepper</span> – fmr Head of Global Policy and Planning, Meta<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Alex Wolfson</span> – Head, Mobile Content Operations, BMW Group</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">10:30 Coffee Break</span></p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">10:45 Regulatory Institutions</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Tom Hazlett</span> – Macaulay Professor of Economics, Clemson University<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Harold Furchtgott-Roth</span> – fmr Commissioner, FCC and Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Andrew Schwartzman</span> – Senior Counselor, Benton Institute for Broadband and Society<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Matthias Kurth</span> – fmr President, German Network Regulatory Agency<br style="box-sizing:inherit">Co-Moderators and Respondents:<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Rosa Morales</span> – Esq.<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Lorenzo Pupillo</span> – Centre for European Policy Studies</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">11:45 Media Industry Structure: An Iron Law of Oligopoly?</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Ben Compaine</span> – Director of Fellows Program, CITI<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Jason Adam Buckweitz</span> – Executive Director, CITI, and Adjunct Assistant Professor, Columbia Business School<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Robert Frieden</span> – Pioneers Chair and Professor of Telecommunications and Law, Penn State University<br style="box-sizing:inherit">Co-Moderators and Respondents:<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Kenneth Carter</span> – CEO and Founder, Ozeki<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Heather Hudson</span> – Professor and fmr. Director ISER, University of Alaska Anchorage</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">12:45 Lunch</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Koos Bekker</span> – Chairman, Naspers</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">2:00 Content Media: 3 Generations of Past Trouble, and Into the Next</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Eli Noam</span> – CITI<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Esther Dyson</span> – Investor, Journalist, Author, Philanthropist<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Howard Homonoff</span> – Senior U.S. Media & Industry Advisor, Grant Thornton Advisors LLC<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Joost van Dreunen</span> – Asst. Professor, NYU Stern School of Business<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Stanley Pierre-Louis</span> – President & CEO, Entertainment Software Association<br style="box-sizing:inherit">Co-Moderators and Respondents:<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Darcy Gerbarg</span> – Pioneer Digital Artist<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Corey Spencer</span> – Asst. Director, CITI</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">3:00 Communications Finance: The Past and Future of Media and IT Investments</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Doug Conn</span> – fmr Executive Director, SMBC Nikko Securities<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Tom Aust</span> – fmr VP-Senior Analyst, State Street<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Blair Levin</span> – Policy Advisor, New Street Research<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">James Alleman</span> – Professor Emeritus, University of Colorado, Boulder<br style="box-sizing:inherit">Co-Moderators and Respondents:<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Leon Perlman</span> – fmr head, Digital Financial Services Observatory, CITI<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Harold Vogel</span> – CEO, Vogel Capital Management<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Bruce Lincoln</span> – Sr. Fellow, CITI, and co-founder, Silicon Harlem</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">4:00 Coffee Break</span></p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">4:15 America and the World: Digital Thought Leadership in the 21st Century</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Reed Hundt</span> – fmr Chairman, FCC<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Joseph Stiglitz</span> – University Professor, Columbia University<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Lawrence Lessig</span> – Furman Professor of Law, Harvard Law School<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Leonard Waverman</span> – fmr Dean, DeGroote School of Business, McMaster University<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Martha Garcia-Murillo</span> – Dean, College of Information Science & Technology, University of Nebraska Omaha<br style="box-sizing:inherit">Co-Moderators:<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">William Drake</span> – Director of International Studies, Columbia Institute for Tele-Information<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Jonathan Liebenau</span> – Professor of Technology Management, London School of Economics</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">5:45 Closing Remarks and Thanks</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Eli Noam</span> – CITI</p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 9:04 AM Joly MacFie <<a href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com">joly@punkcast.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px">Co-Moderators and Respondents:</span></div><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"></span><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Rosa Morales</span> – Esq.<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Lorenzo Pupillo</span> – Centre for European Policy Studies</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">11:45 Media Industry Structure: An Iron Law of Oligopoly?</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Ben Compaine</span> – Director of Fellows Program, CITI<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Jason Adam Buckweitz</span> – Executive Director, CITI, and Adjunct Assistant Professor, Columbia Business School<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Robert Frieden</span> – Pioneers Chair and Professor of Telecommunications and Law, Penn State University<br style="box-sizing:inherit">Co-Moderators and Respondents:<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Kenneth Carter</span> – CEO and Founder, Ozeki<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Heather Hudson</span> – Professor and fmr. Director ISER, University of Alaska Anchorage</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">12:45 Lunch</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Koos Bekker</span> – Chairman, Naspers</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">2:00 Content Media: 3 Generations of Past Trouble, and Into the Next</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Eli Noam</span> – CITI<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Esther Dyson</span> – Investor, Journalist, Author, Philanthropist<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Howard Homonoff</span> – Senior U.S. Media & Industry Advisor, Grant Thornton Advisors LLC<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Joost van Dreunen</span> – Asst. Professor, NYU Stern School of Business<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Stanley Pierre-Louis</span> – President & CEO, Entertainment Software Association<br style="box-sizing:inherit">Co-Moderators and Respondents:<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Darcy Gerbarg</span> – Pioneer Digital Artist<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Corey Spencer</span> – Asst. Director, CITI</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">3:00 Communications Finance: The Past and Future of Media and IT Investments</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Doug Conn</span> – fmr Executive Director, SMBC Nikko Securities<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Tom Aust</span> – fmr VP-Senior Analyst, State Street<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Blair Levin</span> – Policy Advisor, New Street Research<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">James Alleman</span> – Professor Emeritus, University of Colorado, Boulder<br style="box-sizing:inherit">Co-Moderators and Respondents:<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Leon Perlman</span> – fmr head, Digital Financial Services Observatory, CITI<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Harold Vogel</span> – CEO, Vogel Capital Management<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Bruce Lincoln</span> – Sr. Fellow, CITI, and co-founder, Silicon Harlem</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">4:00 Coffee Break</span></p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:15px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">4:15 America and the World: Digital Thought Leadership in the 21st Century</span><br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Reed Hundt</span> – fmr Chairman, FCC<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Joseph Stiglitz</span> – University Professor, Columbia University<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Lawrence Lessig</span> – Furman Professor of Law, Harvard Law School<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Leonard Waverman</span> – fmr Dean, DeGroote School of Business, McMaster University<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Martha Garcia-Murillo</span> – Dean, College of Information Science & Technology, University of Nebraska Omaha<br style="box-sizing:inherit">Co-Moderators:<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">William Drake</span> – Director of International Studies, Columbia Institute for Tele-Information<br style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;font-weight:700">Jonathan Liebenau</span> – Professor of Technology Management, London School of Economics</p><br clear="all"></div><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>--------------------------------------<br>Joly MacFie  +1<span title="Call with Google Voice">2185659365</span> </div><div>--------------------------------------</div>-</div></div></div></div></div></div>
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