<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">With appreciation to the co-co’s.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Indeed, inappropriate passions are what rules against their expression explicitly proscribe.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So that, when there is disagreement about what are in fact the facts – no, some are not sole arbiters of what are “the facts” – there can be a civil exchange toward resolving the question.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" class="">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Equally I would request the co cos to ask that caucus members please post factual content to the list as emails contrary to verifiable fact seem to arouse strong passions here.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Thanks </div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Suresh </div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:03 PM +0530, "Bruna Martins dos Santos" <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Dear IGC, <br class=""><br class="">In light of some comments made regarding the exchanges present on this thread, the Co-Coordinators would like to remind our members to present their comments in a courteous and analytical way. Bearing in mind the diversity of this Caucus, it is important for us to keep on having respectful divergences while considering the different views on the matter.<br class=""><br class="">Best Regards, <br class=""><br class="">Bruna Santos and Sheetal Kumar <br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 27 janv. 2020 à 17:09, <<a href="mailto:david_allen_ab63@post.harvard.edu" class="">david_allen_ab63@post.harvard.edu</a>> a écrit :<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">If they were just plain statements of fact …. Instead,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class=""><span style="white-space:pre-wrap" class=""> </span>"This is a joke.</span><span class="">”</span></div><div class=""><span class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14.6667px" class=""> </span></font><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap" class=""> </span><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14.6667px" class="">“… </span></font></span><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class="">such a wild untruth!</span><span class="">”</span></div><div class=""><span class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span class="">Those are insults. NOT neutrally valanced "</span>statements of fact.” Insults attack the person, the definition of ad hominem.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Co-co’a take notice.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 27, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank" class="">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:02 PM +0530,<span class=""> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:david_allen_ab63@post.harvard.edu" target="_blank" class="">david_allen_ab63@post.harvard.edu</a>></span><span class=""> </span>wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="3D"ltr"" class="">Ad hominem attacks are grounds for removal from the list.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Co-co’s take notice.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank" class="">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none" class=""><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">This is a joke. You did nothing to help create jurisdictional immunity.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Here is a link to the record of public comment on the final report on the jurisdiction subgroup.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">NCSG is there. You are not. End of story.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/responses-comments-recommendations-on-icann-jurisdiction-20mar18-en.pdf" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/responses-comments-recommendations-on-icann-jurisdiction-20mar18-en.pdf</a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">></span>I was there in most jurisdiction issue related WG meetings, including calls, and email discussions . I initiative many of the key elements of the jurisdiction issue and argued extensively about most of them. In the end there were two dissenting notes to the final jurisdiction related report which did not agree that enough was done to remove/ reduce US jurisdiction over ICANN, Brazil government's and mine. . Can we now get back to what NCUC was doing about removing/ reducing US jurisdiction over ICANN?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class="">parminder<span class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" class=""><pre style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></pre><pre style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></pre><pre style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> Julf<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre><pre style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></pre><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><pre style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class="">---<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre><pre style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class="">To unsubscribe: <a href="mailto:igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class=""><mailto:igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net></a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre><pre style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class="">List help: <a href="https://riseup.net/lists" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class=""><https://riseup.net/lists></a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></pre></blockquote></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline" class="">---</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline" class="">To unsubscribe: <<a href="mailto:igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" class="">mailto:igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net</a>></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline" class="">List help: <<a href="https://riseup.net/lists" target="_blank" class="">https://riseup.net/lists</a>></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none" class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline" class=""></span><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div>---<br class="">
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