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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Parminder, this is such a wild untruth!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">NCSG representatives, specifically Farzaneh Badiei and I, were in the lead on the attempt to create new jurisdictional immunity for DNS businesses. The issue
was of special import to Farzaneh, who is Iranian and is quite familiar with the way US sanctions and export controls affect efforts by ordinary Iranians to register domain names. But I do not recall you being around for any of these discussions at ICANN meetings.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Here are write-ups of the issue:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="https://www.internetgovernance.org/?s=jurisdiction">https://www.internetgovernance.org/?s=jurisdiction</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">No less than 4 blog posts chronicling our involvement.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dr. Milton L Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">School of Public Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> governance-request@lists.riseup.net <governance-request@lists.riseup.net>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 14, 2020 3:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.riseup.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] FW: Letter from Senators+ on .ORG Sale<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It is interesting that some people in NCSG are now so wild about the jurisdiction over ICANN of US congress and US government when the NCSG did precious little during the time that the jurisdiction question
was actually being discussed as a part of IANA transition, including whether ICANN should be given jurisdictional immunity from the US government... parminder
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 14/01/20 5:05 AM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This message, forwarded from the public list of the Noncommercial stakeholders constituency, provides a different perspective on the issue of US congress and
.org </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NCSG-Discuss
<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"><NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Pablo Silva Valent<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 11, 2020 9:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Letter from Senators+ on .ORG Sale</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>I can only strongly oppose to have the US Congress having a say in this matter. I think more important than .org is to not have th US Government, nor any other, thinking they have some sort
of oversee or jurisdiction over what we do. I think NCSG should actually do a statement putting the US Cgonress letter in place, making sure that the line we constantly draw to the GAC is unmistakably clear. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>I can oppose to what happened to .org for many reasons, I can also live with a lot of solutions that include Ethos having it, but I cannot, under any circumstance, live with the fact we have
to “converse”, “convince” or “inform” the US congress of what we do. Our legitimacy, ICANN legitimacy, is beyond US government scope, this was the IANA Transition holy grail, that is the primordial fight we need to address in this letter. Can you imagine having
the same reaction of the Russian congress? The Chinese gov? The Argentina gov? Is not relevant that they might be viewing thing like us, to some extent. That is a circunstancial coincidence. What this means is far worse and dangerous than having a for profit
PIR that ultimately we can regulate in the next contract renewal, in an already rich and diverse gTLD environment. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>I urge NCSG PC to put out a word on the letter making sure the letter is only an expression of speech like any other organisation or individual out there, but in no way has a weight, bond
or obligation toward the independent ICANN.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>I think Ac<span style="color:#1F497D">ce</span>s<span style="color:#1F497D">s</span> did this in good faith an ignorance, but why did they not come to us for ideas is beyond me. This was a
mistake even they will someday understand. Next time a big NGO is eager, finally!, to come to play here, we need to be prepared to give them guidance, at least in forms if not content. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Martín<o:p></o:p></p>
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