<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">If they were just plain statements of fact …. Instead,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(31, 73, 125); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>"This is a joke.</span><span style="caret-color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">”</span></div><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" class=""> </span></font><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="caret-color: rgb(31, 73, 125); color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre;"> </span><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px;" class="">“… </span></font></span><span style="caret-color: rgb(31, 73, 125); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">such a wild untruth!</span><span style="caret-color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">”</span></div><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Those are insults. NOT neutrally valanced "</span>statements of fact.” Insults attack the person, the definition of ad hominem.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Co-co’a take notice.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 27, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" class="">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:02 PM +0530,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:david_allen_ab63@post.harvard.edu" target="_blank" class="">david_allen_ab63@post.harvard.edu</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="3D"ltr"" class="">Ad hominem attacks are grounds for removal from the list.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Co-co’s take notice.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" class="">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;"><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This is a joke. You did nothing to help create jurisdictional immunity.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Here is a link to the record of public comment on the final report on the jurisdiction subgroup.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">NCSG is there. You are not. End of story.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/responses-comments-recommendations-on-icann-jurisdiction-20mar18-en.pdf" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/responses-comments-recommendations-on-icann-jurisdiction-20mar18-en.pdf</a><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">></span>I was there in most jurisdiction issue related WG meetings, including calls, and email discussions . I initiative many of the key elements of the jurisdiction issue and argued extensively about most of them. In the end there were two dissenting notes to the final jurisdiction related report which did not agree that enough was done to remove/ reduce US jurisdiction over ICANN, Brazil government's and mine. . Can we now get back to what NCUC was doing about removing/ reducing US jurisdiction over ICANN?<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">parminder<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><blockquote class="" style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><pre class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";"><o:p class=""> </o:p></pre><pre class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";"><o:p class=""> </o:p></pre><pre class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";"> Julf<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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