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<p><font face="Verdana">Jane</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Sorry for me to ask, but are you an ISOC
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<p><font face="Verdana">parminder</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/12/19 8:28 PM, Jane Coffin wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Sheetal –<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Like Judith – please list my name on the
web-site as an individual that does not support this letter.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">With kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jane<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Reply-To: </b>Judith Hellerstein
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, December 20, 2019 at 9:10 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Sheetal Kumar <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>IGCaucus <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [governance] Proposed statement on
.ORG sale<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Sheetal <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So as I understand your email, in the
website you are going to list the igc members who did not
support this letter. If that is the correct assumption than
please list my name <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Judith <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 20, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The letter which was sent has
been circulating for some weeks now, and I also sent
the version that was sent to this list at least two
days prior to sending it. I am therefore not sure
why the objections are being raised now and were not
raised before. However, please do let Bruna and I
know why this has happened. If it is inadequate
communication, an unclear process or a lack of time
for inputting then this is something we'll rectify
going forward.
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, what I suggest is that
the letter is published on the website, and we can
list objections there. I would also suggest we list
the names of all members somewhere else on the
website.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does this approach sound
agreeable to everyone? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sheetal<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 13:25,
Carlos Afonso <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">ca@cafonso.ca</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hmmm...
the IGC has the right to sign anything as long as
there is *consensus* in the caucus.<br>
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[]s fraternos<br>
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--c.a.<br>
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On 20/12/2019 03:57, Sylvain Baya (via governance
Mailing List) wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Le jeu. 19 déc. 2019 8:22 PM, Mueller, Milton L
<<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>>
a écrit :<br>
>><br>
>> Sheetal:<br>
>><br>
>> This is not a very well-informed letter,
sorry to say. See comments in line below:<br>
> <br>
> Dear Milton,<br>
> Hope you are well.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks for your email, even if i totally
disagree :-)<br>
> <br>
> For me, the IGC is in its right to sign exactly
this letter and<br>
> public it somewhere at <<a
href="http://IGCaucus.ORG" moz-do-not-send="true">IGCaucus.ORG</a>>/letters.<br>
> <br>
> We have waste too much time until now and i
don't want to<br>
> imagine why...<br>
> <br>
> Please let me know how you feel with the
followings issues.<br>
> <br>
> ~°~<br>
> ...issues at hands (as identified by
participants in various<br>
> PIR Sale<br>
> discussions :<br>
> •—<br>
> • The (Conflicting) Ethical Aspects of the
Public Interest<br>
> Registry (PIR) Sale's Decision<br>
> • The PIR Sale Decision-making process<br>
> • <a href="http://InternetSociety.ORG"
moz-do-not-send="true">InternetSociety.ORG</a>
members's active participation<br>
> • The (Conflicting) Break of a Trust Anchor<br>
> • The (conflicting) Future of the PIR (FotP)
(or Let's go for a<br>
> Free commons PIR - cPIR ?)<br>
> • (Conflicting) Rejuvenation Process for a
better<br>
> Future of the <a
href="http://InternetSociety.ORG"
moz-do-not-send="true">InternetSociety.ORG</a>
(FotIS)<br>
> • (Conflicting) Impacts in the Future of the
Internet (FotI)<br>
> •—<br>
> ~°~<br>
> <br>
> Thanks.<br>
> <br>
> Shalom,<br>
> --sb.<br>
> <br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Subject: Letter from the Internet
Governance Caucus re: the sale of .org<br>
>><br>
>> Principally, we are concerned that the sale
of PIR to a private entity investment firm would
significantly alter the Domain Name System and
weaken ISOC.<br>
>><br>
>> MM: Odd. How would $1.135 billion weaken
ISOC? How would the transfer of control of one
medium-size TLD registry significantly alter the
DNS? The letter loses credibility right off the bat
by making claims that cannot be backed up.<br>
>><br>
>> PIR played an important role, as the only
remaining non-commercial top-level domain registry
operator, in serving as a counterbalance against
commercial exploitation.<br>
>><br>
>> MM: Really? Aside from its annual support
for NCUC (which was a fulfillment of the obligation
in the original RFP), there was no meaningful
difference between the way PIR was run and most
other gTLD registries was run, both in terms of
pricing and service. This observation both unfairly
casts aspersions on all commercial registries while
falsely idealizing PIR.<br>
>><br>
>> PIR ran .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG for the
benefit of its users, whereas other top-level
domains are run by private companies with purely
financial objectives.<br>
>><br>
>> MM: Again, can you cite specific
differences in behavior? And do you believe that if
ISOC/PIR are forced to continue running ORG even if
they don’t want to that things will be better?<br>
>><br>
>> PIR, as a subsidiary of ISOC, could be
relied upon to do what was best for domain name
registrants, and has a proud history of doing just
that.<br>
>><br>
>> MM: Yeah, that’s why it advocated for an
end to price caps, added URS, and toyed with
intellectual property takedown procedures.<br>
>><br>
>> However, PIR also gave ISOC greater
legitimacy and wider influence. It allowed ISOC to
take an even more active role in shaping Internet
infrastructure. In relinquishing its control over
PIR, ISOC would lose some of its ability to directly
impact how millions of people around the world
positively experience the Internet every day, and we
think that is a great pity.<br>
>><br>
>> MM: This is a pretty absurd claim, it
amounts to the IGC thinking that it knows what is
good for ISOC better than ISOC’s trustees and staff
do. This also shows a lack of knowledge. Running one
TLD registry out of 2000 with less than 5% share of
world registrations does not really do much to
“shape internet infrastructure.” Supporting IETF
shapes internet infrastructure, running ORG does
not. It also ignores ISOC’s somewhat valid concern
that tying their finances to a particular line of
business distorts their objectivity regarding the
future of the internet.<br>
>><br>
>> We ask that ISOC commit to publishing on
its website all correspondence and documents
exchanged with ICANN in relation to the proposed
change in control of PIR. In addition, we ask that
ISOC commit to publishing on its website any filings
(including motions and petitions) in the
Pennsylvania Orphans' Court relating to the change
in status of the PIR.<br>
>><br>
>> MM: This focus on the machinations around
the sale totally misses the target. We want
forward-looking information and commitments: we want
Ethos to tell us how they will fulfill the
obligations in the 2002 RFP and we want them to make
new commitments, embedded in the Registry Agreement,
that will protect ORG registrants.<br>
>><br>
>> We expect an organization that operates in
the public interest, and who promotes the values of
openness, trust, and transparency, to be coherent
with those values when making major decisions.<br>
>><br>
>> MM: Again I cannot understand this morbid
fascination with ISOC’s decision making process and
the absence of a forward-looking agenda. Demand
something meaningful, please! Wish IGC had paid more
attention to advice from those of us actually active
within the DNS policy environment.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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