<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><font color="#000000" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">Ayden,</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#000000" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#000000" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">You are right so far, but now Ethos Capital is wiliing to answer questions -- next Thursday. in fairness, let's listen, so that this discussion can become more fact based.</span></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>George<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>On Dec 13, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:ayden@ferdeline.com" class="">ayden@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><blockquote class=""><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)" class=""><span style="color:rgb(85, 85, 85)" class=""><span style="font-family:Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">There is a Latin phrase that comes to mind, and it is "audi alteram partem" the right to be heard before judgment is passed is critical for fairness sake.</span></span></span></span><br class=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sure, but it has been Ethos Capital that has opted not to respond to questions and comments, and ISOC who has been far from transparent about how this deal came to be.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div class="">Ayden Férdeline <br class=""></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br class=""></div><div class="">On Friday, December 13, 2019 1:51 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">I have purposefully refrained from commenting on the issue until now but wish to be on record for wholeheartedly supporting and endorsing George's comments and view on the matter. There is a Latin phrase that comes to mind, and it is "audi alteram partem" the right to be heard before judgment is passed is critical for fairness sake.<br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">From within ICANN, the global community has to review the PDP and content in terms of making it mandatory to require Express written consent from all the supporting organisations, advisory committees that the re-selling of what was initially conferred as a "public interest commodity" is not commercially exploited to the extent where it harms global public interest.<br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Sala<br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Fri, 13 Dec 2019, 4:29 am George Sadowsky, <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">The announcement of this Webinar is a very promising development.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Perhaps the most prevalent constant in this debate has been secrecy, or lack of information, subjecting the discussion to an enormous stream of hypotheticals. Ethos has been the most secretive to date, and now it appears that next week they are planning to discuss their plans for .org. I'm not sure what they will say, but I think that they deserve an equal opportunity to be heard. What they say will help to inform the discussion.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sometimes in the heat of the moment we get wrapped up in an issue which, while important, is dwarfed by others that are forgotten in the battle. This may be one of those moments.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yesterday ISOC had a 90 minute webinar in which staff discussed their programmatic plans for the future. I was very impressed with the presenters, with the programmatic thrusts being planned and executed, and with their willingness to be open with regard to how the plan was formed -- in this case, with significant input from our community. When being involved in the PIR debate, it's easy to forget that ISOC is an institution whose goals we share, that has done an enormous amount of good work in the past, and who seems dedicated to continue their efforts unabated into the future. ISOC is an enormous asset to the open Internet and to the Internet community.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Like some of you, I felt a disappointment in the way in which the PIR decision was handled, and assuming at portfolio diversification was the goal, I believe that it could have been better achieved in a different manner. But I would much rather accept and live with that disappointment and see ISOC succeed, than see ISOC robbed of any opportunity to continue its work effectively due to the lack of closure of the PIR debate.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">No matter how the PIR issue is resolved, we must come out of this process, and soon, with an ISOC that is whole, able to do its work and able to command the voluntary cooperation and affiliation and enthusiasm of a strong membership. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The eventual disposition of PIR should not be our primary concern, rather it should be ensuring that the goals of ISOC that we share with them should be furthered in the most effective manner possible. Let's remember that in the course of this discussion and not make it more difficult to achieve the real goal.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">George<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" dir="auto" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" dir="auto" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><span class="">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="">George Sadowsky Residence tel: +1.301.968</span><span class="">.4325</span><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><span class="">8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: +1.202.415.1933</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="">Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: sadowsky </span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class=""><a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:george.sadowsky@gmail.com" class="">george.sadowsky@gmail.com</a> <a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://www.georgesadowsky.org/" class="">http://www.georgesadowsky.org/</a> </span><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div><div class="">---<br class=""></div><div class="">To unsubscribe: <mailto:<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" class="">igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net</a>><br class=""></div><div class="">List help: <<a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://riseup.net/lists" class="">https://riseup.net/lists</a>><br class=""></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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