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<div>Thanks Ayden, I support the additional lines, these are
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<div> On Tuesday, 10 December 2019, 19:59:47 GMT+5, Ayden
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<div>In response to comments in this thread and new
developments today, I have proposed some further
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key changes are in red. Thanks!<br clear="none">
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style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="font-family:Arial;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;"><i>To: Gonzalo
Camarillo, Chair of the Board of
Trustees, Internet Society</i></span></span></span></span></span><i><br
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style="font-family:Arial;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;"><i><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">As members
of a network which encompasses many
non-commercial organizations and
individuals, we are concerned by the
announcement that Ethos Capital </span></span><span
style="color:rgb(237, 65, 57);">intends to
acquire</span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
the assets of the Public Interest
Registry (PIR) from the Internet Society
(ISOC), including the .ORG, .NGO, and
.ONG Registry Agreements. We ask that
this sale be called off. </span></span></i></span></span></span><i><br
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style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
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style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="font-family:Arial;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;"><i>Principally, we
are concerned that the sale of PIR to a
private entity investment firm will
significantly alter the Domain Name
System and weaken ISOC. PIR played an
important role, as the only remaining
non-commercial top-level domain registry
operator, in serving as a counterbalance
against commercial exploitation. PIR ran
.ORG, .NGO, and .ONG for the benefit of
its users, whereas other top-level
domains are run by private companies
with purely financial objectives. While
the interests of companies and users do
at times overlap, they can also
conflict, and when this occurs there are
significant human rights implications.
PIR, as a subsidiary of ISOC, could be
relied upon to do what was best for
domain name registrants, and has a proud
history of doing just that. However, PIR
also gave ISOC legitimacy and influence.
It allowed ISOC to take an active role
in shaping Internet infrastructure. In
relinquishing its control over PIR, ISOC
would lose its ability to directly
impact how millions of people around the
world positively experience the Internet
every day, and we think that is a great
pity.</i></span></span></span></span></span><i><br
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style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="font-family:Arial;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;"><i>We understand
that Ethos Capital approached ISOC with
an offer in September 2019 and that an
agreement had been reached to sell PIR
by November 2019. This secret process
caught us, and everyone, unaware, not
just of the transaction but of the
urgency to divest of PIR. </i></span></span></span></span></span><i><br
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style="font-family:Arial;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;"><i><span
style="color:rgb(237, 65, 57);">We join
ICANN in its 9 December 2019 letter
calling for ISOC to be more transparent
about the proposed sale of PIR. We ask
that ISOC commit to publishing on its
website all correspondence and documents
exchanged with ICANN in relation to the
proposed change in control of PIR. In
addition, we ask that ISOC commit to
publishing on its website any filings
(including motions and petitions) in the
Pennsylvania Orphans' Court relating to
the change in status of the PIR.</span></i></span></span></span><i><span
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style="background-color:transparent;"><span
style="font-family:Arial;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;"><i><span
style="color:rgb(237, 65, 57);">We expect
an organization that operates in the
public interest, and who promotes the
values of openness, trust, and
transparency, to be open and transparent
about major decisions. </span></i></span></span></span><i><span
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style="background-color:transparent;"><span
style="font-family:Arial;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;"><i><span
style="color:rgb(237, 65, 57);">This is a
major decision </span><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">that will
result in a significant change, for ISOC
and for the Internet community, and it
has been proposed a) without a human
rights impact assessment being
conducted, b) without consultation with
impacted stakeholders, and c) without
appropriate safeguards in place to
protect the interests of .ORG, .NGO, and
.ONG registrants and the people who
visit their websites every day. </span></span></i></span></span></span><i><br
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style="font-family:Arial;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;"><i><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">ISOC has
successfully stewarded .ORG via PIR for
17 years, gaining a reputation as a
careful manager of a resource that truly
is the global home for nonprofits and
the noncommercial community. Given this
background, and ISOC’s stated
commitments to transparency and
openness, we are unable to reconcile the
path that you have taken with the values
we thought ISOC espoused. </span></span><span
style="color:rgb(237, 65, 57);">Accordingly,
we call upon ISOC to withdraw from its
negotiations with Ethos Capital, to
withdraw from selling PIR, and to honor
its charter.</span></i></span></span></span><i><br
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<div> On Monday, December 9, 2019 2:29 PM, parminder
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<p><span style="font-family:Verdana;">Thanks
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<p><span style="font-family:Verdana;">So a
community asset given to ISOC for free, nay
with a $ 5 million subsidy, for safe keeping
and management on behalf of the community is
suddenly declared by ISOC to just be a sterile
financial asset -- with no community
implications whatsoever -- that it is selling
off to a newly formed for profit entity in
order to maintain and augment its funding. And
we are supposed to stay quiet or just applaud
ISOC's financial astuteness.... </span><br
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<p><span style="font-family:Verdana;">It cannot
get more absurd that this..</span><br
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Parminder,<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">There were 11 bidders. ICANN
evaluated 11 proposals when VeriSign was
leaving in 2002.<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">At that time, the bidding
criteria was different, the bidders were
quoting their quality of services, as there
was objections on VeriSign Support.
Secondly, bidders were offering the cost of
their fee for services per domain
(registration and/or renewal). ISOC was not
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<div dir="ltr">No, ISOC/PIR did not have to
pay anything. In compensation from ICANN,
VeriSign given seed money (<span>Endowment</span>)
to ISOC/PIR for capacity building and
Registry handling and support <span> 2.6
million domain names</span>. <br
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<div>On Monday, 9 December 2019, 09:44:57
GMT+5, parminder <a shape="rect"
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those who know I request response
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<p><span style="font-family:Verdana;">Was
ISOC given the .org registry as a
result of an auction (apart from
other evaluation criteria) or not,
meaning did ISOC pay anything, and
if so how much?</span><br
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<p><span style="font-family:Verdana;">Thanks</span><br
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<div>Indeed John, this criteria is
interesting, particularly number
6, which I have pasted below. I do
not believe Ethos Capital has a
"level of support for the proposal
from .ORG registrants," but the
Internet Society did, and that is
why .ORG was assigned to them over
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Level of support for the
proposal from .org
registrants.</i></b></span></span><br
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style="font-family:Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;"><i>Demonstrated
support among registrants in
the .org TLD, particularly
those actually using .org
domain names for
noncommercial purposes, will
be a factor in evaluation of
the proposals. Noncommercial
registrants do not have
uniform views about policy
and management, and no
single organization can
fully encompass the
diversity of global civil
society. There will likely
be significant difficulties
in ascertaining the level of
support for particular .org
proposals from throughout
the .org registrants and
noncommercial community.
Nevertheless, proposals to
operate the .org TLD should
provide available evidence
of support from across the
global Internet community.</i></span></span><br
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10:49 PM, Sylvain Baya <a
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<div>...for sure, these criteria
are interesting ; but let me
know if there is a specific
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explicitely, the key words : *<i><b><u>By</u></b>
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