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<p>I suggest a slight tweak to these sentences:</p>
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<p><i style="font-family: Arial, serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 14.6667px;">However, PIR also gave ISOC
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"><greater></span> legitimacy and
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"><wider></span> influence. It allowed ISOC to take an
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"><even more></span> active role in shaping Internet infrastructure. In relinquishing its control over PIR, ISOC would lose
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"><some of></span> its ability to directly impact how millions of people around the world positively experience the Internet every day, and we think that is a great pity</i></p>
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<p><font face="Arial, serif, EmojiFont"><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;"><i>Lee explains his rationale for the proposed modifiers/qualifiers: In ISOC, the mission has always been to 'keep the Internet going.' The mechanisms have recently changed, with the
establishment of the IETF as an LLC owned by ISOC, and led at arms length by its own board, by-laws and procedures. But the ISOC mission has not changed. Which also kind of expains...how they walked into this regrettable mess. Since helping keep the Internet
going and growing with a billion dollar endowment must feel a lot easier than without it.</i></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial, serif, EmojiFont"><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">Anyway, obviously most folks worldwide practically speaking are far more familiar with - the web- and its standards which are in folks' faces/eyeballs every day; </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, serif, EmojiFont"><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">vs the plumbing/inter-networking protocols of IETF. </span></font><span style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Arial, serif, EmojiFont;">But the web without the IETF = CERN. Very. Boring.
Well, except for finding the God Particle. So anyway, my 3 cents. </span></p>
<p><font face="Arial, serif, EmojiFont"><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">And of course, no need for IGC to accept the suggested edits. </span></font></p>
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<font face="Arial, serif, EmojiFont"><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;"><i>See: <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc2031bis-01.html#I-D.ietf-iasa2-trust-update" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk952619" previewremoved="true">https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc2031bis-01.html#I-D.ietf-iasa2-trust-update</a> <current
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<font face="Arial, serif, EmojiFont"><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;"><i>See also the backstory/mid-90s history per Vint: <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/internet/history-of-the-internet/ietf-internet-society/" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk634919" previewremoved="true">https://www.internetsociety.org/internet/history-of-the-internet/ietf-internet-society/</a></i><br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> governance-request@lists.riseup.net <governance-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar <sheetal@gp-digital.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 11, 2019 10:04:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> parminder<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Imran Ahmed Shah; Ayden F¨¦rdeline; governance@lists.riseup.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Proposed statement on .ORG sale</font>
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<div>Dear all, <br>
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<div>The public outcry against the sale is clearly picking up momentum, and having results. With thanks to Ayden for proposing the following text, this is a timely moment for us to add our voices and increase pressure!<br>
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<div>Please provide your views on the following text by <b><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><u>COP tomorrow, 12 December</u></span></b>. I suggest we try and send the letter on Friday, 13 December.
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<div>In particular, you may want to consider the following questions</div>
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<div>1) Is there anything you think you should be added to the text? If so, can you provide a rationale and some suggested text?
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<div>2) Is there anything you think should be removed? If so, can you provide a rationale?
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<div>Thank you!</div>
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<div>Best</div>
<div>Sheetal.<br>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>To: Gonzalo Camarillo, Chair of the Board of Trustees, Internet Society</i></span></span></span></span></span><i><br>
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<span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">As members of a network which encompasses many non-commercial organizations and individuals,
we are concerned by the announcement that Ethos Capital </span></span><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)">intends to acquire</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> the assets of the Public Interest Registry (PIR) from the Internet
Society (ISOC), including the .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG Registry Agreements. We ask that this sale be called off. </span></span></i></span></span></span><i><br>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>Principally, we are concerned that the sale of PIR to a private entity investment firm will
significantly alter the Domain Name System and weaken ISOC. PIR played an important role, as the only remaining non-commercial top-level domain registry operator, in serving as a counterbalance against commercial exploitation. PIR ran .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG
for the benefit of its users, whereas other top-level domains are run by private companies with purely financial objectives. While the interests of companies and users do at times overlap, they can also conflict, and when this occurs there are significant
human rights implications. PIR, as a subsidiary of ISOC, could be relied upon to do what was best for domain name registrants, and has a proud history of doing just that. However, PIR also gave ISOC legitimacy and influence. It allowed ISOC to take an active
role in shaping Internet infrastructure. In relinquishing its control over PIR, ISOC would lose its ability to directly impact how millions of people around the world positively experience the Internet every day, and we think that is a great pity.</i></span></span></span></span></span><i><br>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>We understand that Ethos Capital approached ISOC with an offer in September 2019 and that
an agreement had been reached to sell PIR by November 2019. This secret process caught us, and everyone, unaware, not just of the transaction but of the urgency to divest of PIR. </i></span></span></span></span></span><i><br>
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<span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)">We join ICANN in its 9 December 2019 letter calling for ISOC to be more transparent about the proposed sale of PIR.
We ask that ISOC commit to publishing on its website all correspondence and documents exchanged with ICANN in relation to the proposed change in control of PIR. In addition, we ask that ISOC commit to publishing on its website any filings (including motions
and petitions) in the Pennsylvania Orphans' Court relating to the change in status of the PIR.</span></i></span></span></span><i><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)"><br>
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<span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)">We expect an organization that operates in the public interest, and who promotes the values of openness, trust, and
transparency, to be open and transparent about major decisions. </span></i></span></span></span><i><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)"><br>
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<span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)">This is a major decision
</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">that will result in a significant change, for ISOC and for the Internet community, and it has been proposed a) without a human rights impact assessment being conducted, b) without consultation
with impacted stakeholders, and c) without appropriate safeguards in place to protect the interests of .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG registrants and the people who visit their websites every day. </span></span></i></span></span></span><i><br>
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<span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">ISOC has successfully stewarded .ORG via PIR for 17 years, gaining a reputation as a careful
manager of a resource that truly is the global home for nonprofits and the noncommercial community. Given this background, and ISOC¡¯s stated commitments to transparency and openness, we are unable to reconcile the path that you have taken with the values we
thought ISOC espoused. </span></span><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)">Accordingly, we call upon ISOC to withdraw from its negotiations with Ethos Capital, to withdraw from selling PIR, and to honor its charter.</span></i></span></span></span><i><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 07:01, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>On 10/12/19 9:10 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:<br>
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<div>Thanks Ayden, I support the additional lines, these are important and necessary... </div>
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<div>Regards </div>
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<div>Imran </div>
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<div>On Tuesday, 10 December 2019, 19:59:47 GMT+5, Ayden F¨¦rdeline <a href="mailto:ayden@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">
<ayden@ferdeline.com></a> wrote: </div>
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<div>In response to comments in this thread and new developments today, I have proposed some further edits to the statement that we could potentially send to the ISOC Board. Please find below. Note that key changes are in red. Thanks!<br clear="none">
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>To: Gonzalo Camarillo, Chair of the Board of Trustees, Internet Society</i></span></span></span></span></span><i><br clear="none">
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<span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">As members of a network which encompasses many non-commercial organizations and individuals,
we are concerned by the announcement that Ethos Capital </span></span><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)">intends to acquire</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> the assets of the Public Interest Registry (PIR) from the Internet
Society (ISOC), including the .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG Registry Agreements. We ask that this sale be called off. </span></span></i></span></span></span><i><br clear="none">
</i></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>Principally, we are concerned that the sale of PIR to a private entity investment firm will
significantly alter the Domain Name System and weaken ISOC. PIR played an important role, as the only remaining non-commercial top-level domain registry operator, in serving as a counterbalance against commercial exploitation. PIR ran .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG
for the benefit of its users, whereas other top-level domains are run by private companies with purely financial objectives. While the interests of companies and users do at times overlap, they can also conflict, and when this occurs there are significant
human rights implications. PIR, as a subsidiary of ISOC, could be relied upon to do what was best for domain name registrants, and has a proud history of doing just that. However, PIR also gave ISOC legitimacy and influence. It allowed ISOC to take an active
role in shaping Internet infrastructure. In relinquishing its control over PIR, ISOC would lose its ability to directly impact how millions of people around the world positively experience the Internet every day, and we think that is a great pity.</i></span></span></span></span></span><i><br clear="none">
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>We understand that Ethos Capital approached ISOC with an offer in September 2019 and that
an agreement had been reached to sell PIR by November 2019. This secret process caught us, and everyone, unaware, not just of the transaction but of the urgency to divest of PIR. </i></span></span></span></span></span><i><br clear="none">
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<span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)">We join ICANN in its 9 December 2019 letter calling for ISOC to be more transparent about the proposed sale of PIR.
We ask that ISOC commit to publishing on its website all correspondence and documents exchanged with ICANN in relation to the proposed change in control of PIR. In addition, we ask that ISOC commit to publishing on its website any filings (including motions
and petitions) in the Pennsylvania Orphans' Court relating to the change in status of the PIR.</span></i></span></span></span><i><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)"><br clear="none">
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<span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)">We expect an organization that operates in the public interest, and who promotes the values of openness, trust, and
transparency, to be open and transparent about major decisions. </span></i></span></span></span><i><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)"><br clear="none">
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<span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)">This is a major decision
</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">that will result in a significant change, for ISOC and for the Internet community, and it has been proposed a) without a human rights impact assessment being conducted, b) without consultation
with impacted stakeholders, and c) without appropriate safeguards in place to protect the interests of .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG registrants and the people who visit their websites every day. </span></span></i></span></span></span><i><br clear="none">
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<span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">ISOC has successfully stewarded .ORG via PIR for 17 years, gaining a reputation as a careful
manager of a resource that truly is the global home for nonprofits and the noncommercial community. Given this background, and ISOC¡¯s stated commitments to transparency and openness, we are unable to reconcile the path that you have taken with the values we
thought ISOC espoused. </span></span><span style="color:rgb(237,65,57)">Accordingly, we call upon ISOC to withdraw from its negotiations with Ethos Capital, to withdraw from selling PIR, and to honor its charter.</span></i></span></span></span><i><br clear="none">
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<div>On Monday, December 9, 2019 2:29 PM, parminder <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">
<parminder@itforchange.net></a> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<p><span style="font-family:Verdana">Thanks Imran, very useful..</span><br clear="none">
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<p><span style="font-family:Verdana">So a community asset given to ISOC for free, nay with a $ 5 million subsidy, for safe keeping and management on behalf of the community is suddenly declared by ISOC to just be a sterile financial asset -- with no community
implications whatsoever -- that it is selling off to a newly formed for profit entity in order to maintain and augment its funding. And we are supposed to stay quiet or just applaud ISOC's financial astuteness....
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<p><span style="font-family:Verdana">It cannot get more absurd that this..</span><br clear="none">
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<div>On 09/12/19 12:19 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">There were 11 bidders. ICANN evaluated 11 proposals when VeriSign was leaving in 2002.<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">At that time, the bidding criteria was different, the bidders were quoting their quality of services, as there was objections on VeriSign Support. Secondly, bidders were offering the cost of their fee for services per domain (registration and/or
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<div dir="ltr">No, ISOC/PIR did not have to pay anything. In compensation from ICANN, VeriSign given seed money (<span>Endowment</span>) to ISOC/PIR for capacity building and Registry handling and support
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<div>On Monday, 9 December 2019, 09:44:57 GMT+5, parminder <a shape="rect" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
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<p><span style="font-family:Verdana">Was ISOC given the .org registry as a result of an auction (apart from other evaluation criteria) or not, meaning did ISOC pay anything, and if so how much?</span><br clear="none">
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<div>Indeed John, this criteria is interesting, particularly number 6, which I have pasted below. I do not believe Ethos Capital has a "level of support for the proposal from .ORG registrants," but the Internet Society did, and that is why .ORG was assigned
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><b><i>6. Level of support for the proposal from .org registrants.</i></b></span></span><br clear="none">
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><i>Demonstrated support among registrants in the .org TLD, particularly those actually using .org domain names for noncommercial purposes, will be a factor in evaluation of
the proposals. Noncommercial registrants do not have uniform views about policy and management, and no single organization can fully encompass the diversity of global civil society. There will likely be significant difficulties in ascertaining the level of
support for particular .org proposals from throughout the .org registrants and noncommercial community. Nevertheless, proposals to operate the .org TLD should provide available evidence of support from across the global Internet community.</i></span></span><br clear="none">
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<div>...for sure, these criteria are interesting ; but let me know if there is a specific criterion which contains, explicitely, the key words : *<i><b><u>By</u></b> and
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