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    <p><font face="Verdana">Thanks Imran, very useful..</font></p>
    <p><font face="Verdana">So a community asset given to ISOC for free,
        nay with a $ 5 million subsidy, for safe keeping and management
        on behalf of the community is suddenly declared by ISOC to just
        be a sterile financial asset -- with no community implications
        whatsoever -- that it is selling off to a newly formed for
        profit entity in order to maintain and augment its funding. And
        we are supposed to stay quiet or just applaud ISOC's financial
        astuteness.... <br>
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    <p><font face="Verdana">It cannot get more absurd that this..</font></p>
    <p><font face="Verdana">parminder </font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/12/19 12:19 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hi Parminder,</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">There were 11 bidders. ICANN
          evaluated 11 proposals when VeriSign was leaving in 2002.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">At that time, the bidding
          criteria was different, the bidders were quoting their quality
          of services, as there was objections on VeriSign Support.
          Secondly, bidders were offering the cost of their fee for
          services per domain (registration and/or renewal). ISOC was
          not the lowest bidder.<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">No, ISOC/PIR did not have to
          pay anything. In compensation from ICANN, VeriSign given seed
          money (<span>Endowment</span>) to ISOC/PIR for capacity
          building and Registry handling and support <span> 2.6 million
            domain names</span>. <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Regards</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Imran Ahmed Shah<br>
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          <div> On Monday, 9 December 2019, 09:44:57 GMT+5, parminder
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                <p><font face="Verdana">From those who know I request
                    response to this question:</font></p>
                <p><font face="Verdana">Was ISOC given the .org registry
                    as a result of an auction (apart from other
                    evaluation criteria) or not, meaning did ISOC pay
                    anything, and if so how much?</font></p>
                <p><font face="Verdana">Thanks</font></p>
                <p><font face="Verdana">parminder </font><br
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                    09/12/19 3:27 AM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br
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                  <div>Indeed John, this criteria is interesting,
                    particularly number 6, which I have pasted below. I
                    do not believe Ethos Capital has a "level of support
                    for the proposal from .ORG registrants," but the
                    Internet Society did, and that is why .ORG was
                    assigned to them over other bidders.<br clear="none">
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                        style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica,
                        sans-serif;"><b><i>6. Level of support for the
                            proposal from .org registrants.</i></b></span></span><i><br
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                        sans-serif;"><i>Demonstrated support among
                          registrants in the .org TLD, particularly
                          those actually using .org domain names for
                          noncommercial purposes, will be a factor in
                          evaluation of the proposals. Noncommercial
                          registrants do not have uniform views about
                          policy and management, and no single
                          organization can fully encompass the diversity
                          of global civil society. There will likely be
                          significant difficulties in ascertaining the
                          level of support for particular .org proposals
                          from throughout the .org registrants and
                          noncommercial community. Nevertheless,
                          proposals to operate the .org TLD should
                          provide available evidence of support from
                          across the global Internet community.</i></span></span><i><br
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                  <div>Best wishes,<br clear="none">
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                  <div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br clear="none">
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                  <div> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 10:49 PM, Sylvain
                    Baya <a shape="rect"
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                        <div>Hi all,<br clear="none">
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                          <div dir="ltr">Le dim. 8 déc. 2019 9:19 PM,
                            John Levine <<a shape="rect"
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                            a écrit :<br clear="none">
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                            <div>In article <<a shape="rect"
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                              you write:<br clear="none">
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                            <div> ><hxxps://<a shape="rect"
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                            <div> It might be more useful to refer to
                              the criteria used to evaluate<br
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                            <div> the .org proposals and decide who got
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                      <div>Dear John,<br clear="none">
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                      <div>...have you used it yourselves ?<br
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                      <div>...for sure, these criteria are interesting ;
                        but let me know if there is a specific criterion
                        which contains, explicitely, the key words : *<i><b><u>By</u></b>
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                      <div>Thanks.<br clear="none">
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                      <div>Shalom,<br clear="none">
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                      <div>--sb.<br clear="none">
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