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<p><font face="Verdana">Thanks Imran, very useful..</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">So a community asset given to ISOC for free,
nay with a $ 5 million subsidy, for safe keeping and management
on behalf of the community is suddenly declared by ISOC to just
be a sterile financial asset -- with no community implications
whatsoever -- that it is selling off to a newly formed for
profit entity in order to maintain and augment its funding. And
we are supposed to stay quiet or just applaud ISOC's financial
astuteness.... <br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">It cannot get more absurd that this..</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">parminder </font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/12/19 12:19 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hi Parminder,</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">There were 11 bidders. ICANN
evaluated 11 proposals when VeriSign was leaving in 2002.</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">At that time, the bidding
criteria was different, the bidders were quoting their quality
of services, as there was objections on VeriSign Support.
Secondly, bidders were offering the cost of their fee for
services per domain (registration and/or renewal). ISOC was
not the lowest bidder.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">No, ISOC/PIR did not have to
pay anything. In compensation from ICANN, VeriSign given seed
money (<span>Endowment</span>) to ISOC/PIR for capacity
building and Registry handling and support <span> 2.6 million
domain names</span>. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Regards</div>
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<div> On Monday, 9 December 2019, 09:44:57 GMT+5, parminder
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<p><font face="Verdana">From those who know I request
response to this question:</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Was ISOC given the .org registry
as a result of an auction (apart from other
evaluation criteria) or not, meaning did ISOC pay
anything, and if so how much?</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Thanks</font></p>
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<div>Indeed John, this criteria is interesting,
particularly number 6, which I have pasted below. I
do not believe Ethos Capital has a "level of support
for the proposal from .ORG registrants," but the
Internet Society did, and that is why .ORG was
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proposal from .org registrants.</i></b></span></span><i><br
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sans-serif;"><i>Demonstrated support among
registrants in the .org TLD, particularly
those actually using .org domain names for
noncommercial purposes, will be a factor in
evaluation of the proposals. Noncommercial
registrants do not have uniform views about
policy and management, and no single
organization can fully encompass the diversity
of global civil society. There will likely be
significant difficulties in ascertaining the
level of support for particular .org proposals
from throughout the .org registrants and
noncommercial community. Nevertheless,
proposals to operate the .org TLD should
provide available evidence of support from
across the global Internet community.</i></span></span><i><br
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<div> It might be more useful to refer to
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<div>...have you used it yourselves ?<br
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<div>...for sure, these criteria are interesting ;
but let me know if there is a specific criterion
which contains, explicitely, the key words : *<i><b><u>By</u></b>
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