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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/12/19 6:38 AM, Ayden Férdeline
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<div>Below is a proposed statement calling for ISOC to cancel the
deal. I have tried to incorporate as many comments as possible
that I have heard expressed on this mailing list. It's far from
complete, but I hope this might be a helpful starting point.<br>
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<div>Best wishes,<br>
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<div>Ayden Férdeline <br>
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style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">Gonzalo
Camarillo, Chair of the Board of Trustees, Internet
Society</span></span></i></span></span></span><br>
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style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">As
members of a network which encompasses many
non-commercial organizations and public interest
technologists,</span></span></i></span></span></span></p>
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<p>can we just say civil society organisations and individuals <br>
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<p>parminder <br>
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we are concerned by the announcement that Ethos
Capital is acquiring the assets of the Public
Interest Registry (PIR) from the Internet Society
(ISOC), including the .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG Registry
Agreements. We ask that this sale be called off. </span></span></i></span></span></span><br>
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style="background-color:transparent"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">Principally,
we are concerned that the sale of PIR to a private
entity investment firm will significantly alter the
Domain Name System and weaken ISOC. PIR played an
important role, as the only remaining non-commercial
top-level domain registry operator, in serving as a
counterbalance against commercial exploitation. PIR
ran .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG for the benefit of its
users, whereas other top-level domains are run by
private companies with purely financial objectives.
While the interests of companies and users do at
times overlap, they can also conflict, and when this
occurs there are significant human rights
implications. PIR, as a subsidiary of ISOC, could be
relied upon to do what was best for domain name
registrants, and has a proud history of doing just
that. However, PIR also gave ISOC legitimacy and
influence. It allowed ISOC to take an active role in
shaping Internet infrastructure. In relinquishing
its control over PIR, ISOC would lose its ability to
directly impact how millions of people around the
world positively experience the Internet every day,
and we think that is a great pity.</span></span></i></span></span></span><br>
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style="background-color:transparent"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">We
understand that Ethos Capital approached ISOC with
an offer in September 2019 and that an agreement had
been reached to sell PIR by November 2019. This
secret process caught us, and everyone, unaware, not
just of the transaction but of the urgency to divest
of PIR. </span></span></i></span></span></span><br>
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style="background-color:transparent"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">This
is a significant change, for ISOC and for the
Internet community, and it has been proposed a)
without a human rights impact assessment being
conducted, b) without consultation with impacted
stakeholders, and c) without appropriate safeguards
in place to protect the interests of .ORG, .NGO, and
.ONG registrants and the people who visit their
websites every day. </span></span></i></span></span></span><br>
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style="background-color:transparent"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">ISOC
has successfully stewarded .ORG via PIR for 17
years, gaining a reputation as a careful manager of
a resource that truly is the global home for
nonprofits and the noncommercial community. Given
this background, and ISOC’s stated commitments to
transparency and openness, we are unable to
reconcile the path that you have taken with the
values we thought ISOC espoused. Accordingly, we ask
that this sale be terminated.</span></span></i></span></span></span><br>
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<div> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 2:05 AM, Ayden Férdeline
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ayden@ferdeline.com"><ayden@ferdeline.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<div>Surely ISOC can still call the sale off. What penalties may
exist if that happens, though, I don't know. But perhaps that
is something that ISOC needs to explore?<br>
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<div>Ayden Férdeline <br>
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<div>On Sunday, December 8, 2019 2:01 AM, Bill Woodcock
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:woody@pch.net"><woody@pch.net></a> wrote:<br>
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<div>Uh... this is an already signed contract. ISOC doesn’t
have the ability to renege on the contract, that’s not an
option they have, so it’s not something that they can be
talked into. <br>
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<div>So this isn’t a letter to ISOC. Their part is done.
Likewise Ethos. The parties with decisions still to make are
ICANN and the Pennsylvania courts. ICANN has to approve the
transfer of control, and the Pennsylvania courts have to
approve the repurposing of nonprofit assets to a for-profit
purpose. <br>
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<div>On Dec 7, 2019, at 16:36, Ayden Férdeline
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ayden@ferdeline.com"><ayden@ferdeline.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<div>I do not want to be seen as holding up the consensus
here, as ideally I also want the sale stopped.<br>
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<div>I just am not convinced that ISOC will listen to us -
their current Board has made it abundantly clear that
their priority was stabilizing/diversifying ISOC's
revenue, and that they do not consider PIR to have been
an extension of their charitable mission. This is at
odds with comments from past Trustees, but ultimately we
are dealing with the current board and what they think.<br>
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<div>Strategically I think it is better then to allow the
ISOC Board some way to back away from the deal without
losing too much face. I do not think Ethos Capital would
agree to incorporating PIR as a benefit corporation,
however if we pressure ISOC into making that a condition
of sale in order to safeguard the interests of
registrants, it could be one way for the Board to back
away when Ethos inevitably refuses?<br>
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<div>Best wishes,<br>
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<div>Ayden Férdeline<br>
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<div>On Saturday, December 7, 2019 2:12 PM, Sheetal Kumar
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<div>Dear all, <br>
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<div>Thanks for weighing in.
Everyone agrees that transparency is what we must
ask for, at a minimum but there seems to be general
agreement that this isn't enough to ask for.
I get the impression that there are two approaches
suggested here: 1) an approach that accepts the deal
is going ahead and asking for PIR to be incorporated
as a benefit corporation 2) asking for a
halt/suspension to the sale unless certain
conditions are met. <br>
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<div>Opinions seem to weigh in more on the second
approach but I suggest we hold a poll to ascertain
which path to go down and then go with that. <br>
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<div>Best<br>
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<div>Sheetal<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 20:47, Ayden
Férdeline <<a href="mailto:ayden@ferdeline.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ayden@ferdeline.com</a>>
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<div>Thank you Imran, I do appreciate your edits,
comments, and questions.<br>
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<div>It's not that I am comfortable with this deal.
I suspect it will be a disaster.<br>
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<div>I just do not believe we will be able to
persuade ISOC to change its decision here.<br>
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<div>All of the comments that I have seen individual
ISOC Trustees make indicate a low level of
understanding of the difference between a
non-profit entity and a for-profit entity.<br>
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<div>They see PIR as an asset to be sold, like an
office building, and believe the financial
sustainability of ISOC is more important than
meeting the public interest elements of their
charter.<br>
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<div>I also see a deep belief in technological
determinism in many of their comments.<br>
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<div>So I was trying to be as pragmatic as possible
in what I was proposing.<br>
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<div>If this deal is happening, and ISOC doesn't
seem to be backing down (nor in their evaluation
do they believe criticism is sincerely held by
anyone but a small number of individuals), then I
think we need to put pressure on the Board to
condition the sale on there being certain
protections in place for registrants.<br>
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<div>PIR is transitioning into a for-profit company.
I think that ISOC may have already petitioned the
Orphans Court in Pennsylvania for this to happen.
Ethos Capital will have a fiduciary duty to its
shareholders, and it will be required to increase
wholesale costs on .ORG domain names to fulfil
that obligation. While their CEO has said they
have no intention of operating PIR differently
going forward, this is not consistent with his
fiduciary duty. His role is to maximize
shareholder value for Ethos Capital and act in the
best interest of the corporation – not .ORG
registrants.<br>
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<div>The only way we can be assured that they
consider more than just the fiduciary interests of
the corporation is to have PIR incorporated as a
real benefit corporation (NOT a B Lab B
Certification, which is what we are being offered
at the moment). I think that is the best thing we
can ask for at present.<br>
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<div>If PIR is a benefit corporation, this cannot be
reversed, even if PIR is subsequently sold by
Ethos Capital, and so we have long-term assurances
that PIR will be legally obliged to consider
societal impacts as well as fiduciary ones. But a
B Lab B Certification can be dropped at any time
if Ethos Capital so desires.<br>
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<div>ISOC's Board does not seem willing to rise to
the occasion and to consider what is in the
interests of the broader non-profit,
non-governmental organization, and non-commercial
communities. The Board is not in listening mode,
they are just being defensive. I don't see that
changing unfortunately, and I see no way to compel
ISOC to listen to us. It is not a membership-based
organization, it is essentially an independent
trust. There are serious governance deficiencies
that we need to attempt to address there in the
future, particularly as the organization absorbs
$1.135 billion. But the Board wants the money, and
unless someone else steps forward offering more,
they seem unwilling to change their mind.<br>
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<div>If that's the case, I regretfully feel like we
have to ask for what little we can get in order to
try to minimize the harm that is likely to accrue
to .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG registrants.<br>
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<div>Best wishes,<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Ayden Férdeline<br>
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<div>On Friday, 6 December 2019 13:17, Imran Ahmed
Shah <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Sheetal, <br>
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<div dir="ltr">I agree with the Ian Peter. We
needs the point to weigh-in our statement.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I have some queries, suggestions
and recommendations on the initial draft of
Ayden and copying hereunder. <br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>Few comments:</span><br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span></span><span><span><span></span>I
think </span>we should not evaluate
Public Interest in terms of Money.... in
any case...</span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">We should not to be more
concerned with the financial figures. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Perhaps, we may be concerned
if it is being discussed in reference of
the
ICANN's decision and reasoning behind
handing over the dotOrg to ISOC 'to
support recurring expenses etc.'.. and
now, if the ISOC has gotten enough
benefits out of it,......dotORG should
have to be returned to ICANN, so that
ICANN can handover to
some other similar not-for-profit
trustworthy, credible organizations
working for Public Interests, having the
capacity to over see the Internet in
Public domain and public interest.... to
benefit next one after ISOC.... <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Secondly, our goal is the
protection of dotOrg from going it into
the hand of commercial and
nonpublic interest companies even if they
could be able to recruiting, the hundreds
of the CS members or can <span>employee
(or buy in some in-kind trade) </span>..to
address public interests to claim.some
kind of <span>notional support board.</span>.. <br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>I also suggest to create
etherpad document... just created with the
points shared by you... <a
href="https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGConPIRv0NiRaxk3qi-keep"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGConPIRv0NiRaxk3qi-keep</a></span><br>
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<div><span>= = = = <span><span>= = =</span></span></span><span><span>
= = = =</span></span><span><span><span>
= = = = <span> <span>= = = = <span><span>=
= =</span></span></span><span><span>
= = = =</span></span><span><span><span>
= = = =</span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <i><span style="color:black">To:
Gonzalo Camarillo,
Chair of the Board of Trustees, Internet
Society</span></i><span
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style="font-size:12pt"></span><i><span
style="color:black">As members of a
network
which encompasses many non-commercial
organizations and public interest
technologists, we are concerned by the
announcement that Ethos Capital is
acquiring the assets of the Public
Interest Registry (PIR) from the
Internet
Society (ISOC), including the .ORG,
.NGO, and .ONG Registry Agreements. </span></i><span
style="font-size:12pt"></span><br>
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<p
style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><i><span
style="color:black">Principally, we
are
concerned that the sale of PIR to a
private entity will significantly
alter the
Domain Name System and weaken ISOC.
PIR played an important role, as the
only
remaining non-commercial top-level
domain registry operator, in serving
as a
counterbalance against commercial
exploitation. PIR ran .ORG, .NGO, and
.ONG
for the benefit of its users, whereas
other top-level domains are run by
private companies with purely
financial objectives. While the
interests of
companies and users do at times
overlap, they can also conflict, and
when this
occurs there are significant human
rights implications. PIR, as a
subsidiary of
ISOC, could be relied upon to do what
was best for domain name registrants,
and
has a proud history of doing just
that. However, PIR also gave ISOC
legitimacy
and influence. It allowed ISOC to take
an active role in shaping Internet
infrastructure </span></i><i><span
style="color:red">[IAS:
suggest to add here… “keeping the
Public Interest Intact”]</span></i><i><span
style="color:black">. In relinquishing
its control
over PIR, ISOC loses its ability to
directly impact how millions of people
around the world positively experience
the Internet every day, and we think
that is a great pity.</span></i><span
style="font-size:12pt"></span><br>
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<p
style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><i><span
style="color:black">This is a
significant
change, for ISOC and for the Internet
community, and we are not yet
satisfied
that there are appropriate safeguards
in place to protect the interests of
.ORG, .NGO, and .ONG registrants and
the people who visit their websites
every
day. <u>You have the ability to put
requests to Ethos Capital and to
call this
deal off if appropriate and binding
safeguards cannot be put in place</u></span></i><i><span
style="color:rgb(255, 192, 0)">.</span></i><i><span
style="color:black"> </span></i><i><span
style="color:red">[IAS: it very
polite, humble request
or perhaps diplomatic sentence/phrase.
Which will result a simple answer
“thanks
for your deep concerns but we do not
feel it appropriate at this stage the
take
the deal off”, the same I have listen
from ICANN Chair in 2009]</span></i><i><span
style="color:black"> We encourage you
to do just that.</span></i><i><span
style="color:red"> [IAS: What to do,
to stop the deal
or what is appropriate? Need to change
this sentence and to be specific
result
that we are recommending or demanding]
</span></i><i><span style="color:black">As
a sign of good faith, we ask that ISOC
have Ethos Capital
commit to incorporating PIR as a
benefit corporation. </span></i><i><span
style="color:red">[IAS: again we are
allowing them to
proceed with the deal and seeking the
alteration of the terms, rules/bylaws
and
commitment of a commercial entity to
keep this public interest entity
protected
as a benefit organization…? Secondly,
believing and understanding that the
Investor
“Ethos Capital” has invested the PIR
to convert in B-Corp/ commercial
entity
how we assume that he will be
accepting when he has investing
billions..] </span></i><i><span
style="color:black">We understand that
Ethos Capital
has said they are evaluating becoming
a B Lab B Corp, but this is not the
same
thing as a benefit corporation and is
instead a non-binding certification. </span></i><i><span
style="color:red">[IAS: I suggest that
we should use
it as a proof that Ethos Capital has
intention to transform the public
interest
entity into a B-Corp/ commercial
entity. In the same context, we should
ask ‘the
Board’ that is this ‘intention’ was in
their knowledge or in the knowledge of
decision
maker bodies that this faith base
public interest entity will be
commercialized
by the new investor? If, yes, how they
accepted it?]</span></i><br>
</p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><i><u><span
style="color:black">Large
parts of the world</span></u></i><i><span
style="color:black"> </span></i><i><span
style="color:red">[IAS: I suggest that
here we have to
use other terms which has higher
weightage (weigh-in); e.g. one of the
ISOC/PIR
representative has responded like this
“the objections are not reported from
the majority of users, which means the
majority of the users has no concern
who
is running the registry”]</span></i><i><span
style="color:black"> are uncomfortable
with the Internet being governed
entirely by
commercial interests, and <u>many of
our members</u> </span></i><i><span
style="color:red">[IAS: I suggest that
we have to elaborate
“the members”, e.g IGC Members, IGC
coalition Partners or perhaps
including CSCG] </span></i><i><span
style="color:black">are
deeply uncomfortable with PIR being
sold at all. However, incorporation as
a
benefit corporation could provide a
sturdier path forward if ISOC does
proceed
to sell the assets of PIR, and could
be </span></i><i><span
style="color:red">[IAS: I suggest
rephrase “Could have been assured”] </span></i><i><span
style="color:black">an effective means
of mitigating
against some of the risks that we can
foresee emerging from this sale. A
benefit corporation in the right
jurisdiction would require the
publication of
comprehensive, credible, independent,
and transparent annual reports on
social
impact and, most importantly, require
the organization to consider benefits
to
the public in addition to profit when
decisions are being made. And, it
would
oblige Ethos Capital to honor the
promises and commitments it is making
today.</span></i><span
style="font-size:12pt"></span><br>
</p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><i><span
style="color:black">We trust that you
understand why this is important to
us. Ethos Capital is an unknown
entity, and
in the absence of clear information
about their motives behind acquiring
PIR
and their sales pitch to investors,
the non-profit and non-governmental
communities require assurances that
the future of the .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG
domain names that we use for our
email, websites, campaigns, and
fundraising
efforts are in safe hands. </span></i><i><span
style="color:red">[IAS: I suggest add
these lines here “Our Data &
Privacy is not
being compromised, shared, observed,
monitored are not shared or sold to
the competitors
(right now during transition or) in
future by the Registry, or partner
commercial/ noncommercial entities”] </span></i><i><span
style="color:black">These are more
than just domains, they are symbols of
our desire
to do good.</span></i><span
style="font-size:12pt"></span><br>
</p>
<div dir="ltr"><span><span><span>= = = = <span><span>=
= =</span></span></span><span><span>
= = = =</span></span><span><span><span>
= = = = </span></span></span></span><span>
<span>= = = = <span><span>= = =</span></span></span><span><span>
= = = =</span></span><span><span><span>
= = = = </span></span></span></span><span>
<span>= = = = <span><span>= = =</span></span></span><span><span>
= = = =</span></span><span><span><span>
= = = = </span></span></span></span><span>
<span>= = = = <span><span>= = =</span></span></span><span><span>
= = = =</span></span><span><span><span>
= = = = </span></span></span></span> </span><br>
</div>
<p><i><span style="color:red">[IAS: I
also have few more concerns:</span></i><br>
</p>
<p><i><span style="color:red"><span>1.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt"> </span></span></span></span></i><span
dir="LTR"></span><i><span
style="color:red">Needs transparency
and disclosure of
the followings (to re-establish of the
trust being shacked):</span></i><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt"><i><span
style="color:red"><span>i.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt">
</span></span></span></span></i><span
dir="LTR"></span><i><span
style="color:red">the reasoning behind
the selling PIR
‘out of the way’ (as apparently seems
to me)?,</span></i><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt"><i><span
style="color:red"><span>ii.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt">
</span></span></span></span></i><span
dir="LTR"></span><i><span
style="color:red">the reasoning behind
the avoidance
of engaging a proper bidding?,</span></i><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt"><i><span
style="color:red"><span>iii.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt">
</span></span></span></span></i><span
dir="LTR"></span><i><span
style="color:red">the reasoning to
giving sole power
of decision of sales without the
evaluation through open competition
and
opening comments to sell or not?,</span></i><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt"><i><span
style="color:red"><span>iv.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt">
</span></span></span></span></i><span
dir="LTR"></span><i><span
style="color:red">the information of
intention disclosure
regarding the commercialization aspect
or transformation of PIR to B-Corp,
when
it came in to the knowledge of the
selling bodies (prior/during/post
sales
agreement).</span></i><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt"><i><span
style="color:red"><span>v.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt">
</span></span></span></span></i><span
dir="LTR"></span><i><span
style="color:red">Technical Terms and
basis of the Technical
Evaluations of the Investor Ability,
Capability, Credibility,
Dependability.</span></i><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt"><i><span
style="color:red"><span>vi.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt">
</span></span></span></span></i><span
dir="LTR"></span><i><span
style="color:red">Safeguards evaluated
in terms of
Public Interest, Faith, Data
Protection, Privacy, Security
evaluated before
making the decision of sales of PIR
(.ORG/.NGO/.ONG)</span></i><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt"><i><span
style="color:red"> </span></i><br>
</p>
<p><i><span style="color:red"><span>2.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt"> </span></span></span></span></i><span
dir="LTR"></span><i><span
style="color:red">I would suggest that
the statement
should be in the following format:</span></i><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt"><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">Preamble</span><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">/</span><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">Preface
paragraph:</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt"><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">Objection/Obligation/Concerns</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt"><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">What we
demand:</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:36pt"><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">Our
First Requirement is:</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt"><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">Requirement
of Information (e.g Transparency,
Disclosure of
deal/ agreement/ technical/ functional/
organizational structural
design/basis/planning)</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:36pt"><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">Our
Second Requirement is:</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:90pt"><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)"><span>A.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt"> </span></span></span></span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">The
above facts and figures demand you to
stop/end-up the due diligence
process and stop the deal.</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:90pt"><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">If the
efforts for A are
convincingly & persuasively
exercised and but could not achieving
required
goal-A, we recommends to achieve minimal
goal-B after the adoption of above….</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:90pt"><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)"><span>B.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt"> </span></span></span></span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">What we
need if the Sales Deal is accomplished,
i.e. ensure the commitment</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:126pt"><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)"><span>a.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt"> </span></span></span></span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">Immediate
commitment (prior to sale),</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:126pt"><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)"><span>b.<span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman""><span
style="font-size:7pt"> </span></span></span></span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span
style="color:rgb(112, 48, 160)">long
term commitment (after sales),</span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-left:126pt"><i><span
style="color:red">(by the way I am not
convinced that a commercial
organization remains commitment for
public interest
for long term benefits. Maximum
commitments one can expect is just for
2-3
years not beyond. Secondly, if the
Ethos Capital sales this entity to any
other
commercial entity after changing its
status to B-Corp, where the agreements
with
ISOC stands?)</span></i><br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"> = = = = = = =<span> <span>= = =
= <span><span>= = =</span></span></span><span><span>
= = = =</span></span><span><span><span>
= = = = </span></span></span></span><span>
<span>= = = = <span><span>= = =</span></span></span><span><span>
= = = =</span></span><span><span><span>
= = = = </span></span></span></span><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Best Regards<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Imran Ahmed Shah<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">[TLDians/UISoc/UiCouncil]<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
<div>On Friday, 6 December 2019, 01:13:59
GMT+5, Ian Peter <<a
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>I agree approach and basic points
Sheetal - but I would drop the human
rights clause because it is
contentious and does not add great
value to the strong basic argument.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ian<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>------ Original Message ------<br>
</div>
<div>From: "Sheetal Kumar" <<a
shape="rect"
href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><br>
</div>
<div>To: "parminder" <<a
shape="rect"
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
</div>
<div>Cc: "governance" <<a
shape="rect"
href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><br>
</div>
<div>Sent: 6/12/2019 6:48:38 AM<br>
</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [governance]
Proposed statement on .ORG sale<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear Ayden, Parminder, all,
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>First, thank you very much
Ayden for putting this
together! I appreciate the
attempt to reconcile opposing
views, which are clearly
present in the IGC. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would just say that we
have heard from very few
others on this list. This may
be for any number of reasons,
and we could do a poll if its
helpful to gather views,
including whether people feel
they need more information to
be able to weigh in. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To move forward, if we can
agree on the following key
points that we need to get
across, we can work together
on editing/finalising text. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Short of a poll, if
everyone could weigh-in on
whether they agree on these
points that would be helpful.
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<ul>
<li>There is a need for
greater transparency about
the terms of the sale<br>
</li>
<li>There are potential
implications for human
rights if the sale goes
through (need to
list/clearly enumerate
these)<br>
</li>
<li>As a result, many members
of IGC align themselves with
the statements from EFF and
Access Now and the call for
an outright halt to the
sale.<br>
</li>
<li>At a minimum, all IGC
members agree there is a
need for greater
transparency regarding the
terms and potential
implications of this sale,
and that there are
appropriate safeguards in
place to protect the
interests of .ORG, .NGO, and
.ONG registrants and the
people who visit their
websites every day<br>
</li>
</ul>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It's difficult to get
consensus at best of times,
but this is a tricky issue and
if we want to put forward
something together we might
need to go with what we can
all agree on at a top-level. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I look forward to hearing
from a wide-range of people,
and if anyone has alternative
ideas please let us know.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best<br>
</div>
<div>Sheetal<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 4 Dec
2019 at 08:12, parminder <<a
shape="rect"
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin:0px
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px
solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p><span
style="font-family:Verdana">thanks
for this effort Ayden</span><br>
</p>
<p><span
style="font-family:Verdana">But
when there is such a
strong 'stop the sale'
movement out there, it
will be embarrassing for
the IG related civil
society groups to say,
well, at least let Ethos
now behave when ISOC did
not .... Why ask Ethos
to set PIR as a benefit
corporation (which they
will certainly not) when
the existing arrangement
(since the sale is not
through) is itself more
satisfactory? Why not
ask for status quo and
stopping the sale?</span><br>
</p>
<p><span
style="font-family:Verdana">parminder
</span><br>
</p>
<div>On 04/12/19 6:01 PM,
Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Dear all,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have a new proposed
statement that I hope we
may consider issuing.
Please see below. I have
used Sheetal's language
as a starting point
(thank you!) but I am
afraid I did change the
messaging quite a bit.
This is just a
suggestion and please do
feel free to edit it to
pieces. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Like Brett, I too
would prefer we advocate
for stopping the sale
altogether, but in the
spirit of compromise and
given a number of posts
on this list that seem
supportive of the sale,
I've tried a different
approach here. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks and best
wishes,<br>
</div>
<div>Ayden Férdeline<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">To:</span></span></i></span></span><span
style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></i></span></span><span
style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">Gonzalo
Camarillo,
Chair of the
Board of
Trustees,
Internet
Society</span></span></i></span></span><br>
</p>
<div><br>
</div>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>As members of
a network
which
encompasses
many
non-commercial
organizations
and public
interest
technologists,
we are
concerned by
the
announcement
that Ethos
Capital is
acquiring the
assets of the
Public
Interest
Registry (PIR)
from the
Internet
Society
(ISOC),
including the
.ORG, .NGO,
and .ONG
Registry
Agreements. </i></span></span></span></span><br>
</p>
<div><br>
</div>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>Principally,
we are
concerned that
the sale of
PIR to a
private entity
will
significantly
alter the
Domain Name
System and
weaken ISOC.
PIR played an
important
role, as the
only remaining
non-commercial
top-level
domain
registry
operator, in
serving as a
counterbalance
against
commercial
exploitation.
PIR ran .ORG,
.NGO, and .ONG
for the
benefit of its
users, whereas
other
top-level
domains are
run by private
companies with
purely
financial
objectives.
While the
interests of
companies and
users do at
times overlap,
they can also
conflict, and
when this
occurs there
are
significant
human rights
implications.
PIR, as a
subsidiary of
ISOC, could be
relied upon to
do what was
best for
domain name
registrants,
and has a
proud history
of doing just
that. However,
PIR also gave
ISOC
legitimacy and
influence. It
allowed ISOC
to take an
active role in
shaping
Internet
infrastructure.
In
relinquishing
its control
over PIR, ISOC
loses its
ability to
directly
impact how
millions of
people around
the world
positively
experience the
Internet every
day, and we
think that is
a great pity.</i></span></span></span></span><br>
</p>
<div><br>
</div>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>This is a
significant
change, for
ISOC and for
the Internet
community, and
we are not yet
satisfied that
there are
appropriate
safeguards in
place to
protect the
interests of
.ORG, .NGO,
and .ONG
registrants
and the people
who visit
their websites
every day. You
have the
ability to put
requests to
Ethos Capital
and to call
this deal off
if appropriate
and binding
safeguards
cannot be put
in place. We
encourage you
to do just
that. As a
sign of good
faith, we ask
that ISOC have
Ethos Capital
commit to
incorporating
PIR as a
benefit
corporation.
We understand
that Ethos
Capital has
said they are
evaluating
becoming a B
Lab B Corp,
but this is
not the same
thing as a
benefit
corporation
and is instead
a non-binding
certification. </i></span></span></span></span><br>
</p>
<div><br>
</div>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>Large parts of
the world are
uncomfortable
with the
Internet being
governed
entirely by
commercial
interests, and
many of our
members are
deeply
uncomfortable
with PIR being
sold at all.
However,
incorporation
as a benefit
corporation
could provide
a sturdier
path forward
if ISOC does
proceed to
sell the
assets of PIR,
and could be
an effective
means of
mitigating
against some
of the risks
that we can
foresee
emerging from
this sale. A
benefit
corporation in
the right
jurisdiction
would require
the
publication of
comprehensive,
credible,
independent,
and
transparent
annual reports
on social
impact and,
most
importantly,
require the
organization
to consider
benefits to
the public in
addition to
profit when
decisions are
being made.
And, it would
oblige Ethos
Capital to
honor the
promises and
commitments it
is making
today.</i></span></span></span></span><br>
</p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i> </i></span></span></span></span><br>
</p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span
style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>We trust that
you understand
why this is
important to
us. Ethos
Capital is an
unknown
entity, and in
the absence of
clear
information
about their
motives behind
acquiring PIR
and their
sales pitch to
investors, the
non-profit and
non-governmental communities require assurances that the future of the
.ORG, .NGO,
and .ONG
domain names
that we use
for our email,
websites,
campaigns, and
fundraising
efforts are in
safe hands.
These are more
than just
domains, they
are symbols of
our desire to
do good.</i></span></span></span></span><br>
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<div>On Sunday, 1 December
2019 17:44, Sheetal
Kumar <a shape="rect"
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<div>Dear Ayden, all,
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for your
responses! It seems
to me that if we're
going to agree on
anything, it's the
lack of transparency
that we can agree
needs to be
rectified. I've
slightly reworded
the below in light
of the recent
suggestions and
remarks.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What do others
think about
Sylvain's
suggestions of
asking about setting
up a commons PIR (is
this
possible/feasible?)
and of sending this
also to ISOC's BoT
and CEO? Do you have
any others? <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><span></span><br>
</div>
<div><i>As members
of a network
which
encompasses many
non-commercial
organisations,
we are concerned
about the lack
of transparency
regarding the
sale of .ORG.
When the board
discusses the
sale of .org, we
request that
these questions
are considered
in the due
diligence
process: </i><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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the Board intend
to do in order
to protect the
existing
millions of .ORG
registrants?<br
clear="none">
- After the
changes to the
.ORG contract to
preserve
existing rights
of .ORG
registrants, how
else does the
Board intend to
ensure the sale
of PIR (this new
steward of .org)
will act on
behalf of the
public interest
and the world
community of
noncommercial,
civil society
groups in the
world?<br
clear="none">
- What are
ICANN's
obligation to
protect those
organizations
engaged in
missions of
"public interest
around the
world?" <br
clear="none">
<span>- How does
the Board
respond to
allegations/concerns
regarding
possible
conflict of
interest in
transference
of stewardship
to Ethos
capital?</span></i></div>
<div><i><span></span></i><br>
</div>
<div><i><span>We
request
answers to
these
questions in
the spirit of
building trust
among NGOs and
the
non-commercial
constituency
more generally
and those who
play a key
role in
stewarding the
Internet.</span></i><br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat,
30 Nov 2019 at
17:58, Ayden
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<div>While I agree
these are
questions for the
ISOC Board of
Trustees, I
believe they are
*also* questions
for the ICANN
Board. I expect
that the ICANN
Board will not
respond to them,
but I think they
could - and should
- and I encourage
us to place
pressure on both
parties to take
these questions
and the sentiments
behind them
seriously.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>ICANN, in
particular, does
need to address at
least the
perception that
there is a
revolving door of
insiders who are
behind this and
other deals. And
ISOC needs to be
more transparent
about what due
diligence it did
before entering
into the
arrangement to
sell PIR, and what
mechanisms it has
put in place (if
any) to protect
.ORG, .NGO, and
.ONG registrants.
Thanks.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline<br>
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November 2019
13:34, James
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questions for
the ISOC Board
not the ICANN
board.<br>
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<div>Dear all,
<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>What do
people think
about sending
a letter to
the ICANN
Board with a
series of
questions in
order to get
more
transparency?
Bruna and I
discussed
this, and
chatted to
others, and
are wondering
what you think
of this
approach. As
the Board will
meet and
discuss the
sale as part
of a due
diligence
process, we
thought it
might be a
constructive
approach to
request they
consider and
answer certain
questions. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It would
be great to
hear your
views on this
approach and
on the
questions. See
below: <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><span></span><br>
</div>
<div><i>When
the board
discusses the
sale of .org,
we request
that these
questions are
considered in
the due
diligence
process: </i><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><i>- What
does the Board
intend to do
in order to
protect the
existing
millions of
.ORG
registrants?<br
clear="none">
- After the
changes to the
.ORG contract
to preserve
existing
rights of .ORG
registrants,
how else does
the Board
intend to
ensure the
sale of PIR
(this new
steward of
.org) will act
on behalf of
the public
interest and
the world
community of
noncommercial,
civil society
groups in the
world?<br
clear="none">
- What's
ICANN's
obligation to
protect those
organizations
engaged in
missions of
"public
interest
around the
world?" <br
clear="none">
<span>- How
does the Board
respond to
allegations/concerns
regarding
possible
conflict of
interest in
transference
of stewardship
to Ethos
capital</span></i></div>
<div><span></span><br>
</div>
<div><span>Best</span><br>
</div>
<div><span>Sheetal</span><i><span></span></i><br>
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28 novembre
2019, Bill
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<div>> they
can (even
without
sourcing their
affirmation)
then note that
the<br>
</div>
<div>>
minority of
*non-commercial*
[1] Internet
Community is
about to be
*eliminated*
by their<br>
</div>
<div>>
'well
intended' *big
deal*.<br>
</div>
<div>> <br>
</div>
<div>> Why
?<br>
</div>
<div>> ...i
guess that 1%
of 10M (domain
names) +=>
the
non-commercial
[1] world is
under<br>
</div>
<div>> the
pressure of
commercial
world in the
Internet, even
in .ORG
registrations
they are<br>
</div>
<div>>
still
oppressed by
99% of 10M<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>None of
the above
parses.
Please try
again, with
simpler
construction.
You can break
it out into as
many sentences
as you like,
but please try
to make each
one
encapsulate
exactly one
thought. Else
nobody is
going to be
able to engage
in a
constructive
conversation
with you.<br>
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<div>...what's
the point
please, dear
Bill ?<br>
</div>
<div>Do you
really want to
convince me
without
argumenting ?<br>
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