<div>Hi Judith,</div><div><br></div>Happy to stand corrected if I’m wrong, but I don’t think that is the case. Firstly, such a policy applies only to whether or not ICANN org can force the disclose of personal information. Contracted parties have and maintain client data — not just Whois data, but billing data too. As data controllers they absolutely do retain this information and as best I am aware <caret></caret>there is nothing that would prevent them from voluntarily releasing it. <div><br></div><div>Best wishes, <br><div><br></div><div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block"><div>Ayden Férdeline </div></div> <div><br></div><div><br></div>On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 21:13, Judith Hellerstein <<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" class="">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite">
<p>HI Ayden,</p>
<p>Thanks for the explanation but I do not think this is likely. I
think it would violate the new who is policy</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/5/2019 9:00 PM, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Judith,<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for your question. Here's an example of a human rights
concern that I see with the proposed sale of PIR to Ethos
Capital:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Firstly, it has been <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" title="https://www.keypointsabout.org/" href="https://www.keypointsabout.org/">acknowledged</a>
that Fadi Chehade’s company, Chehade & Company, is an
adviser to Ethos Capital.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" title="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/26/org_selloff_internet/" href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/26/org_selloff_internet/"><i>The Register </i>has<i> </i>reported</a>
that Mr Chehade himself was seen at PIR's office last week
during a meet-and-greet with PIR's staff.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Mr Chehade is <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" title="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/18/ex_icann_ceo_will_work_with_china/" href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/18/ex_icann_ceo_will_work_with_china/">co-chair of the advisory committee</a>
to the World Internet Conference in Wuzhen, and has other
business dealings in China.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Could .ORG registrants in China be assured, once Ethos
Capital takes
ownership of PIR, that if the Chinese government requested the
contact
information of a .ORG registrant, that Mr Chehade would not
instruct
Ethos Capital to do as the Chinese government wishes? <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think this is an area of divergence where a PIR under
ISOC's management may behave differently to a PIR owned by a
company whose advisor has
strong business interests in China. It's a theoretical example
and I want to be careful about 'guilt by association', but I
think there is a real risk here that a venture capital company
is not going to care so much about the interests of their
customers as a non-profit might. (Mind you, ISOC has not
demonstrated much concern for them lately either, but that's a
different issue...)<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div> On Thursday, 5 December 2019 20:54, Judith Hellerstein
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"><judith@jhellerstein.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<p>HI Sheetal and Aiden<br>
</p>
<p>While I agree with points 1 and 4 I do not understand what
are the implications on human rights and not sure I agree with
this statement. I also definitely do not agree with point 4<br>
</p>
<ul>
<li>There are potential implications for human rights if the
sale goes through (need to list/clearly enumerate these)<br>
</li>
<li>As a result, many members of IGC align themselves with the
statements from EFF and Access Now and the call for an
outright halt to the sale.<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Judith<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/5/2019 8:48 PM, Sheetal Kumar
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<li>There are potential implications for human rights if the
sale goes through (need to list/clearly enumerate these)<br>
</li>
<li>As a result, many members of IGC align themselves with the
statements from EFF and Access Now and the call for an
outright halt to the sale.<br>
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