<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Ayden, Parminder, all, <br></div><div><br></div><div>First, thank you very much Ayden for putting this together! I appreciate the attempt to reconcile opposing views, which are clearly present in the IGC. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I would just say that we have heard from very few others on this list. This may be for any number of reasons, and we could do a poll if its helpful to gather views, including whether people feel they need more information to be able to weigh in. <br></div><div><br></div><div>To move forward, if we can agree on the following key points that we need to get across, we can work together on editing/finalising text. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Short of a poll, if everyone could weigh-in on whether they agree on these points that would be helpful. <br></div><div><br></div><ul><li>There is a need for greater transparency about the terms of the sale</li><li>There are potential implications for human rights if the sale goes through (need to list/clearly enumerate these)</li><li>As a result, many members of IGC align themselves with the statements from EFF and Access Now and the call for an outright halt to the sale. </li><li>At a minimum, all IGC members agree there is a need for greater transparency regarding the terms and potential implications of this sale, and that there are appropriate safeguards in place to protect the interests of .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG registrants and the people who visit their websites every day
</li></ul><div><br></div><div>It's difficult to get consensus at best of times, but this is a tricky issue and if we want to put forward something together we might need to go with what we can all agree on at a top-level. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I look forward to hearing from a wide-range of people, and if anyone has alternative ideas please let us know.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div>Sheetal<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 08:12, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Verdana">thanks for this effort Ayden</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">But when there is such a strong 'stop the
sale' movement out there, it will be embarrassing for the IG
related civil society groups to say, well, at least let Ethos
now behave when ISOC did not .... Why ask Ethos to set PIR as a
benefit corporation (which they will certainly not) when the
existing arrangement (since the sale is not through) is itself
more satisfactory? Why not ask for status quo and stopping the
sale?</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">parminder </font><br>
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<div>Dear all,<br>
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<div>I have a new proposed statement that I hope we may consider
issuing. Please see below. I have used Sheetal's language as a
starting point (thank you!) but I am afraid I did change the
messaging quite a bit. This is just a suggestion and please do
feel free to edit it to pieces. <br>
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<div>Like Brett, I too would prefer we advocate for stopping the
sale altogether, but in the spirit of compromise and given a
number of posts on this list that seem supportive of the sale,
I've tried a different approach here. <br>
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<div>Thanks and best wishes,<br>
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<div>Ayden Férdeline<br>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><i><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">To:</span></span></i></span></span><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><i><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></i></span></span><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><i><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">Gonzalo Camarillo, Chair of the
Board of Trustees, Internet Society</span></span></i></span></span><br>
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<div><br>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>As members of a network which
encompasses many non-commercial organizations and
public interest technologists, we are concerned by the
announcement that Ethos Capital is acquiring the
assets of the Public Interest Registry (PIR) from the
Internet Society (ISOC), including the .ORG, .NGO, and
.ONG Registry Agreements. </i></span></span></span></span><i><br>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>Principally, we are concerned
that the sale of PIR to a private entity will
significantly alter the Domain Name System and weaken
ISOC. PIR played an important role, as the only
remaining non-commercial top-level domain registry
operator, in serving as a counterbalance against
commercial exploitation. PIR ran .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG
for the benefit of its users, whereas other top-level
domains are run by private companies with purely
financial objectives. While the interests of companies
and users do at times overlap, they can also conflict,
and when this occurs there are significant human
rights implications. PIR, as a subsidiary of ISOC,
could be relied upon to do what was best for domain
name registrants, and has a proud history of doing
just that. However, PIR also gave ISOC legitimacy and
influence. It allowed ISOC to take an active role in
shaping Internet infrastructure. In relinquishing its
control over PIR, ISOC loses its ability to directly
impact how millions of people around the world
positively experience the Internet every day, and we
think that is a great pity.</i></span></span></span></span><i><br>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>This is a significant change,
for ISOC and for the Internet community, and we are
not yet satisfied that there are appropriate
safeguards in place to protect the interests of .ORG,
.NGO, and .ONG registrants and the people who visit
their websites every day. You have the ability to put
requests to Ethos Capital and to call this deal off if
appropriate and binding safeguards cannot be put in
place. We encourage you to do just that. As a sign of
good faith, we ask that ISOC have Ethos Capital commit
to incorporating PIR as a benefit corporation. We
understand that Ethos Capital has said they are
evaluating becoming a B Lab B Corp, but this is not
the same thing as a benefit corporation and is instead
a non-binding certification. </i></span></span></span></span><i><br>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>Large parts of the world are
uncomfortable with the Internet being governed
entirely by commercial interests, and many of our
members are deeply uncomfortable with PIR being sold
at all. However, incorporation as a benefit
corporation could provide a sturdier path forward if
ISOC does proceed to sell the assets of PIR, and could
be an effective means of mitigating against some of
the risks that we can foresee emerging from this sale.
A benefit corporation in the right jurisdiction would
require the publication of comprehensive, credible,
independent, and transparent annual reports on social
impact and, most importantly, require the organization
to consider benefits to the public in addition to
profit when decisions are being made. And, it would
oblige Ethos Capital to honor the promises and
commitments it is making today.</i></span></span></span></span><i><br>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>We trust that you understand
why this is important to us. Ethos Capital is an
unknown entity, and in the absence of clear
information about their motives behind acquiring PIR
and their sales pitch to investors, the non-profit and
non-governmental communities require assurances that
the future of the .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG domain names
that we use for our email, websites, campaigns, and
fundraising efforts are in safe hands. These are more
than just domains, they are symbols of our desire to
do good.</i></span></span></span></span><br>
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<div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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<div> On Sunday, 1 December 2019 17:44, Sheetal Kumar
<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a> wrote:<br>
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<div>Thanks for your responses! It seems to me that if we're
going to agree on anything, it's the lack of transparency
that we can agree needs to be rectified. I've slightly
reworded the below in light of the recent suggestions and
remarks.<br>
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<div>What do others think about Sylvain's suggestions of
asking about setting up a commons PIR (is this
possible/feasible?) and of sending this also to ISOC's BoT
and CEO? Do you have any others? <br>
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<div><i>As members of a network which encompasses many
non-commercial organisations, we are concerned about
the lack of transparency regarding the sale of .ORG.
When the board discusses the sale of .org, we request
that these questions are considered in the due
diligence process: </i><br>
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<div><i>- What does the Board intend to do in order to
protect the existing millions of .ORG registrants?<br>
- After the changes to the .ORG contract to preserve
existing rights of
.ORG registrants, how else does the Board intend to
ensure the sale of PIR (this new steward of .org) will
act on behalf of the public interest and the
world community of noncommercial, civil society groups
in the world?<br>
- What are ICANN's obligation to protect those
organizations engaged in missions of "public interest
around the world?" <br>
<span>- How does the Board respond to
allegations/concerns regarding possible conflict
of interest in transference of stewardship to Ethos
capital?</span></i></div>
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<div><i><span>We request answers to these questions in the
spirit of building trust among NGOs and the
non-commercial constituency more generally and those
who play a key role in stewarding the Internet.</span></i><br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 at 17:58, Ayden Férdeline
<<a href="mailto:ayden@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">ayden@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>While I agree these are questions for the ISOC Board of
Trustees, I believe they are *also* questions for the
ICANN Board. I expect that the ICANN Board will not
respond to them, but I think they could - and should - and
I encourage us to place pressure on both parties to take
these questions and the sentiments behind them seriously.<br>
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<div>ICANN, in particular, does need to address at least the
perception that there is a revolving door of insiders who
are behind this and other deals. And ISOC needs to be more
transparent about what due diligence it did before
entering into the arrangement to sell PIR, and what
mechanisms it has put in place (if any) to protect .ORG,
.NGO, and .ONG registrants. Thanks.<br>
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<div>Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline<br>
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<div>On Saturday, 30 November 2019 13:34, James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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board.<br>
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<div>What do people think about sending a letter to
the ICANN Board with a series of questions in
order to get more transparency? Bruna and I
discussed this, and chatted to others, and are
wondering what you think of this approach. As the
Board will meet and discuss the sale as part of a
due diligence process, we thought it might be a
constructive approach to request they consider and
answer certain questions. <br>
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<div>It would be great to hear your views on this
approach and on the questions. See below: <br>
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<div><i>When the board discusses the sale of
.org, we request that these questions are
considered in the due diligence process: </i><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
</span>
<div><i>- What does the Board intend to do in
order to protect the existing millions of .ORG
registrants?<br>
- After the changes to the .ORG contract to
preserve existing rights of .ORG registrants,
how else does the Board intend to ensure the
sale of PIR (this new steward of .org) will
act on behalf of the public interest and the
world community of noncommercial, civil
society groups in the world?<br>
- What's ICANN's obligation to protect those
organizations engaged in missions of "public
interest around the world?" <br>
<span>- How does the Board respond to
allegations/concerns regarding possible
conflict of interest in transference of
stewardship to Ethos capital</span></i></div>
<div><span></span><br>
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<div><span>Best</span><br>
</div>
<div><span>Sheetal</span><i><span></span></i><br>
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Baya <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>
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<div>Le jeudi 28 novembre 2019, Bill Woodcock <<a href="mailto:woody@pch.net" target="_blank">woody@pch.net</a>> a
écrit :<br>
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<div>> they can (even without sourcing their
affirmation) then note that the<br>
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<div>> minority of *non-commercial* [1]
Internet Community is about to be *eliminated*
by their<br>
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<div>> 'well intended' *big deal*.<br>
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<div>> <br>
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<div>> Why ?<br>
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<div>> ...i guess that 1% of 10M (domain
names) +=> the non-commercial [1] world is
under<br>
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<div>> the pressure of commercial world in
the Internet, even in .ORG registrations they
are<br>
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<div>> still oppressed by 99% of 10M<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>None of the above parses. Please try
again, with simpler construction. You can
break it out into as many sentences as you
like, but please try to make each one
encapsulate exactly one thought. Else nobody
is going to be able to engage in a
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<div>...what's the point please, dear Bill ?<br>
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<div>Do you really want to convince me without
argumenting ?<br>
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