<div>Dear all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I have a new proposed statement that I hope we may consider issuing. Please see below. I have used Sheetal's language as a starting point (thank you!) but I am afraid I did change the messaging quite a bit. This is just a suggestion and please do feel free to edit it to pieces. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Like Brett, I too would prefer we advocate for stopping the sale altogether, but in the spirit of compromise and given a number of posts on this list that seem supportive of the sale, I've tried a different approach here. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks and best wishes,<br></div><div>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div><br></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">To:</span></span></i></span></span><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></i></span></span><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">Gonzalo Camarillo, Chair of the Board of Trustees, Internet Society</span></span></i></span></span><br></p><div><br></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>As members of a network which encompasses many non-commercial organizations and public interest technologists, we are concerned by the announcement that Ethos Capital is acquiring the assets of the Public Interest Registry (PIR) from the Internet Society (ISOC), including the .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG Registry Agreements. </i></span></span></span></span><i><br></i></p><div><i><br></i></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>Principally, we are concerned that the sale of PIR to a private entity will significantly alter the Domain Name System and weaken ISOC. PIR played an important role, as the only remaining non-commercial top-level domain registry operator, in serving as a counterbalance against commercial exploitation. PIR ran .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG for the benefit of its users, whereas other top-level domains are run by private companies with purely financial objectives. While the interests of companies and users do at times overlap, they can also conflict, and when this occurs there are significant human rights implications. PIR, as a subsidiary of ISOC, could be relied upon to do what was best for domain name registrants, and has a proud history of doing just that. However, PIR also gave ISOC legitimacy and influence. It allowed ISOC to take an active role in shaping Internet infrastructure. In relinquishing its control over PIR, ISOC loses its ability to directly impact how millions of people around the world positively experience the Internet every day, and we think that is a great pity.</i></span></span></span></span><i><br></i></p><div><i><br></i></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>This is a significant change, for ISOC and for the Internet community, and we are not yet satisfied that there are appropriate safeguards in place to protect the interests of .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG registrants and the people who visit their websites every day. You have the ability to put requests to Ethos Capital and to call this deal off if appropriate and binding safeguards cannot be put in place. We encourage you to do just that. As a sign of good faith, we ask that ISOC have Ethos Capital commit to incorporating PIR as a benefit corporation. We understand that Ethos Capital has said they are evaluating becoming a B Lab B Corp, but this is not the same thing as a benefit corporation and is instead a non-binding certification. </i></span></span></span></span><i><br></i></p><div><i><br></i></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>Large parts of the world are uncomfortable with the Internet being governed entirely by commercial interests, and many of our members are deeply uncomfortable with PIR being sold at all. However, incorporation as a benefit corporation could provide a sturdier path forward if ISOC does proceed to sell the assets of PIR, and could be an effective means of mitigating against some of the risks that we can foresee emerging from this sale. A benefit corporation in the right jurisdiction would require the publication of comprehensive, credible, independent, and transparent annual reports on social impact and, most importantly, require the organization to consider benefits to the public in addition to profit when decisions are being made. And, it would oblige Ethos Capital to honor the promises and commitments it is making today.</i></span></span></span></span><i><br></i></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i> </i></span></span></span></span><i><br></i></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>We trust that you understand why this is important to us. Ethos Capital is an unknown entity, and in the absence of clear information about their motives behind acquiring PIR and their sales pitch to investors, the non-profit and non-governmental communities require assurances that the future of the .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG domain names that we use for our email, websites, campaigns, and fundraising efforts are in safe hands. These are more than just domains, they are symbols of our desire to do good.</i></span></span></span></span><br></p><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On Sunday, 1 December 2019 17:44, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal@gp-digital.org> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Ayden, all, <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your responses! It seems to me that if we're going to agree on anything, it's the lack of transparency that we can agree needs to be rectified. I've slightly reworded the below in light of the recent suggestions and remarks.<br></div><div><br></div><div>What do others think about Sylvain's suggestions of asking about setting up a commons PIR (is this possible/feasible?) and of sending this also to ISOC's BoT and CEO? Do you have any others? <br></div><div><br></div><div><span><div><i>As members of a network which encompasses many non-commercial organisations, we are concerned about the lack of transparency regarding the sale of .ORG. When the board discusses the sale of .org, we request that these questions are considered in the due diligence process: </i><br></div><div><i></i><br></div></span><div><i>- What does the Board intend to do in order to protect the existing millions of .ORG registrants?<br>-
After the changes to the .ORG contract to preserve existing rights of
.ORG registrants, how else does the Board intend to ensure the sale of PIR (this
new steward of .org) will act on behalf of the public interest and the
world community of noncommercial, civil society groups in the world?<br>- What are ICANN's obligation to protect those organizations engaged in missions of "public interest around the world?" <br><span>-
How does the Board respond to allegations/concerns regarding possible conflict
of interest in transference of stewardship to Ethos capital?</span></i></div><div><i><span></span></i><br></div><div><i><span>We request answers to these questions in the spirit of building trust among NGOs and the non-commercial constituency more generally and those who play a key role in stewarding the Internet.</span></i><br></div><div><span></span><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 at 17:58, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:ayden@ferdeline.com">ayden@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>While I agree these are questions for the ISOC Board of Trustees, I believe they are *also* questions for the ICANN Board. I expect that the ICANN Board will not respond to them, but I think they could - and should - and I encourage us to place pressure on both parties to take these questions and the sentiments behind them seriously.<br></div><div><br></div><div>ICANN, in particular, does need to address at least the perception that there is a revolving door of insiders who are behind this and other deals. And ISOC needs to be more transparent about what due diligence it did before entering into the arrangement to sell PIR, and what mechanisms it has put in place (if any) to protect .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG registrants. Thanks.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div> <br></div><div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div>On Saturday, 30 November 2019 13:34, James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>These are questions for the ISOC Board not the ICANN board.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone<br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 30 Nov 2019, at 13:09, Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear all, <br></div><div><br></div><div>What do people think about sending a letter to the ICANN Board with a series of questions in order to get more transparency? Bruna and I discussed this, and chatted to others, and are wondering what you think of this approach. As the Board will meet and
discuss the sale as part of a due diligence process, we thought it might be a constructive approach to request they consider and answer certain questions. <br></div><div><br></div><div>It would be great to hear your views on this approach and on the questions. See below: <br></div><div><br></div><div><span><div><i>When the board discusses the sale of .org, we request that these questions are considered in the due diligence process: </i><br></div><div><i></i><br></div></span><div><i>- What does the Board intend to do in order to protect the existing millions of .ORG registrants?<br> - After the changes to the .ORG contract to preserve existing rights of .ORG registrants, how else does the Board intend to ensure the sale of PIR (this new steward of .org) will act on behalf of the public interest and the world community of noncommercial,
civil society groups in the world?<br> - What's ICANN's obligation to protect those organizations engaged in missions of "public interest around the world?" <br> <span>- How does the Board respond to allegations/concerns regarding possible conflict of interest in transference of stewardship to Ethos capital</span></i></div><div><span></span><br></div><div><span>Best</span><br></div><div><span>Sheetal</span><i><span></span></i><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 at 02:36, Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Le jeudi 28 novembre 2019, Bill Woodcock <<a href="mailto:woody@pch.net" target="_blank">woody@pch.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>> they can (even without sourcing their affirmation) then note that the<br></div><div>> minority of *non-commercial* [1] Internet Community is about to be *eliminated* by their<br></div><div>> 'well intended' *big deal*.<br></div><div>> <br></div><div>> Why ?<br></div><div>> ...i guess that 1% of 10M (domain names) +=> the non-commercial [1] world is under<br></div><div>> the pressure of commercial world in the Internet, even in .ORG registrations they are<br></div><div>> still oppressed by 99% of 10M<br></div><div><br></div><div>None of the above parses. Please try again, with simpler construction. You can break it out into as many sentences as you like, but please try to make each one encapsulate exactly one thought. Else nobody is going to be able to engage in a constructive conversation
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