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        <div><div style="direction: ltr;">And so heavy handed governmental regulation is the answer according to you?  That sort of reminds me of the old Aesop’s fable of King Stork and King Log</div><div style="direction: ltr;"></div></div>
        
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 6:23 AM +0530, "parminder" <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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    <p><font face="Verdana">I remember how many years back people on
        this list, and I can distinctly recall my friend Bertrand de la
        Chapelle </font><font face="Verdana">for instance </font><font face="Verdana">advocate this , that, and I paraphrase, facebook
        'community' itself is a distinct social and perhaps political
        entity, and how we should focus on its community self governance
        and so on ..... These, what we talk about now, are chicken
        coming home to roost .... </font>We propagated this lawless
      digital world of self-regulation and big corporation vetoes for
      quite a long time. Why rue it now...</p>
    <p>Yes, some politicians may be making the right notes, but what
      notes is the IG civil society making, still!</p>
    <p>My ironical comments - and I apologise for that -- are towards
      the practical purpose of exhorting the IG civil society to make a
      real and strong reassessment of what their single-minded
      devotionto just one thing of multi-stakeholderism and
      self-regulation has brought the world to, and what amends can we
      make at this stage. We bear a responsibility to the world.</p>
    <p>parminder <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/10/19 2:59 AM, Ian Peter wrote:<br>
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      <title>[IGP Announce] Facebook’s Oversight Board: A toothless
        Supreme Court?</title>
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      <div>Well, hardly a supreme court! </div>
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      <div>From what I read this body just looks at one issue - content
        moderation. This is often a culture-specific issue - what should
        be taken down in some cultures is perfectly OK in many others.
        Good luck to them in achieving anything more than the decades of
        debate on this subject have. Where there is global agreement on
        offensive content, I am not sure this board will be able to add
        any value.</div>
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      <div>But thats hardly the point. Facebook will claim that this is
        an example of how it is being consultative and involving of its
        community, and how this makes it a model corporate player.
        People will buy this spin, and issues which Facebook refuses to
        address through this or any other body such as data monetisation
        and other uses of personal data will be swept under the carpet
        and forgotten - at least in the FB spin.</div>
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      <div>I think the question for us is how we keep the bigger issues
        from being forgotten in this context. I hear one US presidential
        hopeful (Eliz abeth Warren) is raising the subjects, but some
        powerful Wall Street based Democrat financial supporters are
        threatening not to back her because of this. </div>
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      <div>Data  monetisation and surveillance capitalism are big issues
        not being addressed adequately anywhere yet. I hope we can raise
        this issue effectively.</div>
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      <div>Ian Peter</div>
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      <div>------ Original Message ------</div>
      <div>From: "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>></div>
      <div>To: "governance" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" moz-do-not-send="true">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div>
      <div>Sent: 3/10/2019 11:56:10 PM</div>
      <div>Subject: [governance] FW: Facebook’s Oversight Board: A
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                                                          <h2><a href="https://internetgovernance.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=be001c22ec8bec5d0a255823c&id=7550618346&e=c98d2e287c" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#EEB232;font-weight:normal">Facebook’s
                                                          Oversight
                                                          Board: A
                                                          toothless
                                                          Supreme Court?</span></a><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></h2>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><em><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#404040">By
                                                          </span></em><em><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">David
                                                          Morar
                                                          </span></em><em><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#404040">on
                                                          Oct 02, 2019
                                                          06:24 pm</span></em><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#404040"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#404040">A
                                                          week and a
                                                          half ago
                                                          Facebook
                                                          released its
                                                          final charter
                                                          for the
                                                          Oversight
                                                          Board it
                                                          intends to
                                                          create to
                                                          tackle its
                                                          content
                                                          moderation
                                                          problems. The
                                                          charter spells
                                                          out exactly
                                                          how it would
                                                          work, who
                                                          would be on it
                                                          and what its
                                                          responsibilities
                                                          are. CNET has
                                                          a good basic
                                                          description of
                                                          what the board
                                                          would […]<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#404040">The
                                                          post <a href="https://internetgovernance.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=be001c22ec8bec5d0a255823c&id=4690e43278&e=c98d2e287c" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                                          <span style="color:#EEB232">Facebook’s
                                                          Oversight
                                                          Board: A
                                                          toothless
                                                          Supreme Court?</span></a>
                                                          appeared first
                                                          on
                                                          <a href="https://internetgovernance.us18.list-manage.com/track/click?u=be001c22ec8bec5d0a255823c&id=02bfa55642&e=c98d2e287c" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                                          <span style="color:#EEB232">Internet
                                                          Governance
                                                          Project</span></a>.<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown"></o:p></span></p>
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