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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks Norbert for explaining the <span>phrase "Subscribe to the IGC Charter".</span></div><div><br></div>
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On Friday, 30 August 2019, 15:48:10 GMT+5, Norbert Bollow <nb@bollow.ch> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:20:00 +0100<br clear="none">Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:udochukwu.njoku@unn.edu.ng" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">udochukwu.njoku@unn.edu.ng</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> That's interesting, Norbert. You seem to mean I'll be known to have<br clear="none">> subscribed to the charter in the course of time, through how I<br clear="none">> participate in IGC. Is that right?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Actually, no, that's not what I mean.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Let me give an example.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The Charter says about postings to the IGC list:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">"""<br clear="none">The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> * refrain from personal attacks, […]<br clear="none"><br clear="none">[…]<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Failure to abide by posting rules may result in suspension or removal<br clear="none">from the IGC list according to the following process:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> * The coordinators will first warn a subscriber privately of the<br clear="none"> problem<br clear="none"> * If the problem persists the coordinators will notify the<br clear="none"> subscriber publicly on the list of impending suspension from the<br clear="none"> list.<br clear="none"> * Suspension will include only posting rights.<br clear="none"> * If the problem persists the subscriber’s posting rights will be<br clear="none"> suspended for one (1) month.<br clear="none"> * Once the subscriber’s posting rights are restored, any further<br clear="none"> problem will result in another public warning.<br clear="none"> * If the problem continues to persist after suspension and a second<br clear="none"> public warning, the coordinators will be permitted to either suspend<br clear="none"> the posting rights for three (3) months or to remove the subscriber<br clear="none"> from the list.<br clear="none"> * Any decision for suspension can be appealed. Any decision to remove<br clear="none"> someone from the list will call for an automatic appeal by the<br clear="none"> appeals team.<br clear="none">"""<br clear="none"><br clear="none">In relation to this aspect of the IGC Charter, applying what I wrote<br clear="none">about my understanding of the phrase "subscribe to the IGC Charter"<br clear="none">implies:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">1. Anyone who truly subscribes to the IGC Charter will endeavor to<br clear="none">refrain from posting messages to the IGC list that contain personal<br clear="none">attacks.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">2. Assuming that they truly subscribe to the IGC Charter, IGC<br clear="none">co-coordinators will endeavor to ensure that the conversations on the<br clear="none">list remain constructive, and generally in alignment with the posting<br clear="none">rules, by means of applying the process that has been foreseen for<br clear="none">dealing with violations.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">3. Assuming that they truly subscribe to the IGC Charter, all other<br clear="none">participants on the IGC list will be accepting, and supportive of,<br clear="none">such actions by the co-coordinators. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Now because it's a long time since any of the IGC co-coordinators have<br clear="none">actually made any publicly-visible attempt of applying the process that<br clear="none">has been foreseen for dealing with posting rules violations, I have no<br clear="none">way of predicting how anyone on the list will react the next time that<br clear="none">happens. Therefore, no, I can't tell whether people truly subscribe to<br clear="none">the Charter just on the basis of what I may have observed about their<br clear="none">conduct on the list over the last months and years.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I certainly support the practice of asking for an explicit commitment<br clear="none">to the Charter in the context of IGC co-coordinator elections.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Greetings,<div class="ydp13c4a9dfyqt3314123226" id="ydp13c4a9dfyqtfd20304"><br clear="none">Norbert<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:43 PM Norbert Bollow <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> > Dear Chris and all<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > My understanding of the word "subscribe" in this context is that it<br clear="none">> > expresses a commitment to accept actions which are done in<br clear="none">> > accordance with the Charter, and to act oneself in accordance to<br clear="none">> > the Charter.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > In this sense I can subscribe to the Charter while at the same time<br clear="none">> > holding the opinion that it would be good to change some aspects of<br clear="none">> > it at the next good opportunity to do so.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Greetings,<br clear="none">> > Norbert<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:30:47 +0100<br clear="none">> > Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:udochukwu.njoku@unn.edu.ng" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">udochukwu.njoku@unn.edu.ng</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > > Thank you so much, Ian, for answering my question. I'm OK with<br clear="none">> > > your answer.<br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > > Regarding Imran's suggestion, I understand the word "subscribe" in<br clear="none">> > > this context as meaning "agree". In that case, it's not vague.<br clear="none">> > > What I think may need to be specified in the charter is how<br clear="none">> > > someone will be known to have agreed. What do other IGCians<br clear="none">> > > think?</div></div><div class="ydp13c4a9dfyqt3314123226" id="ydp13c4a9dfyqtfd32369">---<br clear="none">To unsubscribe: <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net</a>><br clear="none">List help: <<a shape="rect" href="https://riseup.net/lists" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://riseup.net/lists</a>><br clear="none"></div></div>
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