<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font size="4" style="" color="#0b5394">That's interesting, Norbert. You seem to mean I'll be known to have subscribed to the charter in the course of time, through how I participate in IGC. Is that right?</font></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-size:large"> </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-size:large"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-size:large">@DrCPUNjoku</span></div><div><p><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:small"><font style="font-size:8.66667px"> </font></span><span style="background-color:blue;color:white"><font size="4">We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things,</font></span></font></p><p><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="background-color:blue;color:white"><font size="4">especially if they're not yielding optimum results.</font></span></font><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:43 PM Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear Chris and all<br>
<br>
My understanding of the word "subscribe" in this context is that it<br>
expresses a commitment to accept actions which are done in accordance<br>
with the Charter, and to act oneself in accordance to the Charter.<br>
<br>
In this sense I can subscribe to the Charter while at the same time<br>
holding the opinion that it would be good to change some aspects of<br>
it at the next good opportunity to do so.<br>
<br>
Greetings, <br>
Norbert<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:30:47 +0100<br>
Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ <<a href="mailto:udochukwu.njoku@unn.edu.ng" target="_blank">udochukwu.njoku@unn.edu.ng</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Thank you so much, Ian, for answering my question. I'm OK with your<br>
> answer.<br>
> <br>
> Regarding Imran's suggestion, I understand the word "subscribe" in<br>
> this context as meaning "agree". In that case, it's not vague. What<br>
> I think may need to be specified in the charter is how someone will<br>
> be known to have agreed. What do other IGCians think?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> @DrCPUNjoku<br>
> <br>
> We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things,<br>
> <br>
> especially if they're not yielding optimum results.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:37 AM <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a> <<br>
> <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote: <br>
> <br>
> > Thanks for the suggestion Imran - while I like your wording<br>
> > suggestions the current wording is based on an excerpt from the<br>
> > Charter which it might be best to leave intact -<br>
> ><br>
> > "Members of the Internet Governance Caucus are individuals, acting<br>
> > in personal capacity, who subscribe to the charter of the caucus" -<br>
> > but some additional elaboration might be useful. Will have a look<br>
> > at it.<br>
> ><br>
> > ------ Original Message ------<br>
> > From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" <<a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> > To: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" <<a href="mailto:udochukwu.njoku@unn.edu.ng" target="_blank">udochukwu.njoku@unn.edu.ng</a>>; "<br>
> > <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>><br>
> > Cc: "governance" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>; "Tapani Tarvainen"<br>
> > < <a href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org" target="_blank">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>> <br>
> > Sent: 29/08/2019 3:09:44 PM<br>
> > Subject: Re: Re[2]: [governance] Voting Process for election of co<br>
> > coordinators<br>
> ><br>
> > Dear Ian,<br>
> ><br>
> > With reference to following voting Process, is it possible to<br>
> > elaborate the meaning of "Subscribe to the Charter" in simple<br>
> > words? like this:<br>
> ><br>
> > "...*they acknowledge the acceptance of the IGC Charter, *and the<br>
> > By-Laws defined in the IGC Charter"<br>
> > or more simply<br>
> ><br>
> > "...*they accept the IGC Charter*"<br>
> ><br>
> > * instead of *<br>
> > "...*they subscribe to the charter of IGC*"<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks<br>
> ><br>
> > Imran Ahmed Shah<br>
> > being a IGC Member<br>
> ><br>
> > On Thursday, 29 August 2019, 05:45:08 GMT+5, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a><br>
> > < <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote: <br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks Chris for the feedback<br>
> > <br>
> > >The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have<br>
> > >not <br>
> > previously voted in this election". Shouldn't the voting software<br>
> > be able to know that someone had already voted <br>
> > > and disallow a second attempt? <br>
> ><br>
> > Yes it would - but it could be that some people have more than one<br>
> > email address registered on list - so this reminds people to think<br>
> > about whether they have voted before using another email address.<br>
> > Similarly the software should pick up that they have been<br>
> > subscribed to list for more than 2 months - so the inclusion of<br>
> > that question is also more precautionary rather than necessary. It<br>
> > wont hurt for people to understand and affirm the conditions for<br>
> > voting.<br>
> ><br>
> > Ian Peter<br>
> ><br>
> > ------ Original Message ------<br>
> > From: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" <<a href="mailto:udochukwu.njoku@unn.edu.ng" target="_blank">udochukwu.njoku@unn.edu.ng</a>><br>
> > To: "<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>><br>
> > Cc: "governance" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>; "Tapani Tarvainen"<br>
> > < <a href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org" target="_blank">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>> <br>
> > Sent: 29/08/2019 10:33:24 AM<br>
> > Subject: Re: [governance] Voting Process for election of co<br>
> > coordinators<br>
> ><br>
> > This is awesome, an excellent show of commitment to work and<br>
> > attention to detail.<br>
> ><br>
> > The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not<br>
> > previously voted in this election". fo Shouldn't the voting<br>
> > software be able to know that someone had already voted and<br>
> > disallow a second attempt?<br>
> ><br>
> > On Thursday, August 29, 2019, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a> < <br>
> > <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote: <br>
> ><br>
> > This is some background on the election process for those<br>
> > interested:<br>
> ><br>
> > At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and<br>
> > after that a short period where candidates can confirm their<br>
> > nominations and supply 300 word statements for the benefit of<br>
> > voters.<br>
> ><br>
> > Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by<br>
> > a small group between now and September 10.<br>
> ><br>
> > On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for<br>
> > approximately 2 weeks.<br>
> ><br>
> > Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will<br>
> > receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which<br>
> > contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is<br>
> > registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will<br>
> > follow up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting<br>
> > link.<br>
> ><br>
> > The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that<br>
> ><br>
> > -<br>
> ><br>
> > they identify as civil society<br>
> > -<br>
> ><br>
> > they subscribe to the charter of IGC<br>
> > -<br>
> ><br>
> > they have not previously voted in this election<br>
> > -<br>
> ><br>
> > they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2<br>
> > months<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all<br>
> > these questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise.<br>
> ><br>
> > For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting<br>
> > page.<br>
> ><br>
> > The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option<br>
> > “None of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by<br>
> > drawing names from a hat.<br>
> ><br>
> > A valid vote could be<br>
> ><br>
> > a. selecting one candidates<br>
> ><br>
> > b selecting two candidates<br>
> ><br>
> > 1.<br>
> ><br>
> > selecting “None of the Above”<br>
> ><br>
> > All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options<br>
> > ticked) will create invalid votes.<br>
> ><br>
> > Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because<br>
> > it is only by participating in the election that someone can become<br>
> > a current member of IGC. So someone can become a member without<br>
> > expressing support for any particular candidate if they so wish.<br>
> ><br>
> > All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page.<br>
> ><br>
> > After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up<br>
> > email confirming your participation and membership of IGC.<br>
> ><br>
> > At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce<br>
> > results and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant<br>
> > information about informal votes etc. New co coordinators can then<br>
> > take their place for their respective terms..<br>
> ><br>
> > Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC<br>
> > members (for the first time in years). That will enable actions<br>
> > like appointing an Appeals Team to take place according to<br>
> > processes outlined in the Charter.<br>
> ><br>
> > That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when<br>
> > you receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on<br>
> > list and reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also<br>
> > be available to deal with any queries and anomalies.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Ian Peter<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> ><br>
> > Chris Prince Udochukwu *Njọkụ*, Ph.D.<br>
> > Computer Communications Centre<br>
> > University of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001<br>
> > @DrCPUNjoku<br>
> ><br>
> > We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things,<br>
> ><br>
> > especially if they're not yielding optimum results.<br>
> ><br>
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