<div dir="auto">Hi David<div dir="auto">Even if it will not entirely on its own secure release but adds up to the efforts diplomatically.</div><div dir="auto">We can't keep silent either, otherwise it means we are supporting the government against one of own advocates for free and open internet space and more so on open government and accountability.</div><div dir="auto">Insiders in China are being hurted so they need us at this time to speak for them and support them too.</div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Remmy</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, 6:46 PM <<a href="mailto:david_allen_ab63@post.harvard.edu">david_allen_ab63@post.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Do we actually believe our actions will secure his release?<div><br></div><div>Or rather, have the opportunity tp be clear that despotic behavior is unacceptable in the world community? And so, want to be clear on the fact.</div><div><br></div><div>Which is the realistic option?</div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 3, 2019, at 1:29 PM, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="m_4524362270825008074Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I am not happy with the tone of this. </div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">If you actually want something to happen and for China to listen, I would suggest removing phrases such as "<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued repression of free speech."</span> That will achieve nothing towards securing a release.</div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I think earlier on Chaitanya was alluding to the need for a more diplomatic post, when he suggested (along with a third suggestion which everyone rejected)</div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div id="m_4524362270825008074x3f16d7c286b54108a974f1b9f3b94b88" style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:12pt;margin-left:0px;margin-right:8px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div style="zoom:1.1"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">- Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the foreground these issues (corruption & human rights issues). </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">- It is our (my) view that he should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. </div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I can see the logic in including such phrases and in phrasing a letter so that it is not so much an attack on a country who we are asking to take a specific action to free someone who we believe has been wrongfully imprisoned.</div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Ian</div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">----- Original Message ------</div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">To: "Marie Georges" <<a href="mailto:ma.georges@orange.fr" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ma.georges@orange.fr</a>></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Cc: "Norbert Bollow" <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nb@bollow.ch</a>>; "governance" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Sent: 3/08/2019 2:45:52 AM</div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing</div><div style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div id="m_4524362270825008074x6e3bb2f864fa4f7" style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><blockquote type="cite" class="m_4524362270825008074cite2" style="margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);margin-top:3px;padding-top:0px"><div dir="auto"><div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Dear All,</span><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Please suggest revisions. When there is consensus and we finalise, we can release the statement to China's ambassador to Geneva who is on the MAG. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br><div dir="auto">Proposed Draft</div><div dir="auto"><p>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang.</p><p>Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him.</p><p>We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. </p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 5:48 pm Marie Georges, <<a href="mailto:ma.georges@orange.fr" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ma.georges@orange.fr</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Complete agreement with you Norbert.<br>Marie<br><br>Envoyé de mon iPhone<br><br>> Le 2 août 2019 à 10:24, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>> a écrit :<br>><span class="m_4524362270825008074Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530<br>> "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List)<br>> <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br>><span class="m_4524362270825008074Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring<br>>> commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service<br>>> sentence<br>><span class="m_4524362270825008074Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a "reasonable<br>> middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all human rights<br>> including the right to free speech.<br>><span class="m_4524362270825008074Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Greetings,<br>> Norbert<br>> ---<br>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:<a href="mailto:igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net</a>><br>> List help: <<a href="https://riseup.net/lists" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://riseup.net/lists</a>><br><br>---<br>To unsubscribe: <mailto:<a href="mailto:igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net</a>><br>List help: <<a href="https://riseup.net/lists" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://riseup.net/lists</a>><br></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">---</span><br style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">To unsubscribe: <<a href="mailto:igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mailto:igc-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net</a>></span><br style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">List help: <<a href="https://riseup.net/lists" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://riseup.net/lists</a>></span></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>---<br>
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