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body { font-family: Segoe UI; font-size: 12pt; }</style></head><body><div>I disagree with the concept of publishing lists on line of people who join the mailing list. Apart from the GDPR and privacy issues, the maintenance problems for such a list are not worth the effort. Apart from that, most mailing list software platforms have ways to locate list users so I don't see the point.</div><div><br /></div><div>Also - there is often confusion in these discussions between mailing list users and IGC members. The mailing list contains many people who wont identify as IGC members - people who are from government, private sector, tech community etc who do not identify as civil society but are interested to follow our discussions on internet governance issues.</div><div><br /></div><div>IGC members, on the other hand, are people who voted in the most recent coordinator elections (or indicated a no preference vote) and who in this process identified as civil society members. I think we also in this era have to ask their permission as part of this voting process for their names to be listed online as IGC members. (as pointed out by Bruna). That's a discussion as the election process gets underway.</div><div><br /></div><div>Everyone on the mailing list for more than 2 months gets the opportunity to vote if they wish to and consider themselves qualified, and thus be listed as an IGC member. And if you do not vote, or indicate a no preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. That's what the Charter says.</div><div><br /></div><div>But as regards lists on line - we should not be listing mailing list members. If we do intend to list IGC members, we have to ask their permission: and we will only have a reasonable members list after the elections.</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Ian</div>
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<div>From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div>
<div>To: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>; "Sheetal Kumar" <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>></div>
<div>Cc: "Arsène Tungali" <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>; "governance@lists.riseup.net" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div>
<div>Sent: 26/07/2019 2:43:49 AM</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement</div><div><br /></div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Dear Bruna and Sheetal,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits users who has join the IGC. and Keeping them updated regularly....</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br /></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Secondly, if agrees, as soon as the archived statements of the IGC are uploaded, one parallel page for BB Statements could be established to host the BestBits Statements and endorsement record.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br /></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Regards</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br /></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Imran Ahmed Shah<br /></div><div><br /></div>
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On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy to work with you on this if that helps, <br clear="none" /></div><div><br clear="none" /></div><div>Best<br clear="none" /></div></div><br clear="none" /><div class="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860gmail_quote"><div class="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860yqt5341200400" id="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860yqtfd57612"><div class="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="nofollow">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" /></div></div><blockquote class="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div class="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860yqt5341200400" id="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860yqtfd18228"><div dir="ltr">Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to see the IGC website back to work! <div>Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have a concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or not! </div><div><br clear="none" /></div><div>Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if everyone agrees. </div><div><br clear="none" /></div><div>Best Regards, </div><div>Bruna Santos </div><div><br clear="none" /></div></div><br clear="none" /><div class="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860gmail_quote"><div class="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860gmail_attr" dir="ltr">Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>> a écrit :<br clear="none" /></div><blockquote class="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="ydp54f57f33yiv5002326860gmail-m_8786559825092069529gmail-m_-3880791234880128877ydp4b63fb52yahoo-style-wrap"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">Thanks <span>Arsène</span>, for your comments and concerns.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none" /> </div><div dir="ltr"><div>>Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list?</div><div><br clear="none" /></div><div dir="ltr">Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, may be arranged through the List administrator. </div><div dir="ltr">Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. <br clear="none" /></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none" /></div><div dir="ltr">Best Regards</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none" /></div><div dir="ltr">Imran Ahmed Shah</div></div><div><br clear="none" /></div>
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On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online.<br clear="none" /><br clear="none" />Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before<br clear="none" />they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co<br clear="none" />were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep<br clear="none" />it that way. It is said on this link<br clear="none" />(<a shape="rect" href="https://igcaucus.org/membership/" rel="nofollow">https://igcaucus.org/membership/</a>) that anyone who sends an email to<br clear="none" /><a shape="rect" href="mailto:governance-subscribe@lists.riseup.net" rel="nofollow">governance-subscribe@lists.riseup.net</a> will be subscribed.<br clear="none" /><br clear="none" />Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And<br clear="none" />then have them approve the request before the member is added to the<br clear="none" />mailing list?<br clear="none" /><br clear="none" />Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm<br clear="none" />my thinking.<br clear="none" /><br clear="none" /><br clear="none" />2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="nofollow">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>:<br clear="none" />> Dear IGC Members,<br clear="none" />><br clear="none" />> As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of revival<br clear="none" />> of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of<br clear="none" />> technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) who<br clear="none" />> have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. Jeremy<br clear="none" />> Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed<br clear="none" />> the Website. Contents are obtained from <a shape="rect" href="https://web.archive.org." rel="nofollow">https://web.archive.org. </a>This is a<br clear="none" />> soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links<br clear="none" />> are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be<br clear="none" />> maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is<br clear="none" />> arranging offsite-backups.<br clear="none" />> This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri<br clear="none" />> Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm,<br clear="none" />> Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the<br clear="none" />> restoration are Farzaneh and Imran.<br clear="none" />><br clear="none" />> We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives,<br clear="none" />> mailing list and others over the time. The website <a shape="rect" href="https://IGCaucus.org" rel="nofollow">https://IGCaucus.org </a>has<br clear="none" />> been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working<br clear="none" />> Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We also<br clear="none" />> need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new members<br clear="none" />> and old ones. This is archived information.<br clear="none" />><br clear="none" />> As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published.<br clear="none" />> This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of members,<br clear="none" />> differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been<br clear="none" />> members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the<br clear="none" />> matters related to elections which we think should be done in coordination<br clear="none" />> with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to<br clear="none" />> help with organizing the elections.<br clear="none" />><br clear="none" />> The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments and<br clear="none" />> suggestions.<br clear="none" />><br clear="none" />><br clear="none" />> on behalf of<br clear="none" />> [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website]<br clear="none" />><br clear="none" />> Imran Ahmed Shah<br clear="none" />> [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society]<br clear="none" />><br clear="none" />><br clear="none" /><br clear="none" /><br clear="none" />-- <br clear="none" />------------------------<br clear="none" />**Arsène Tungali* <<a shape="rect" href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" rel="nofollow">http://about.me/ArseneTungali</a>>*<br clear="none" />Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international<br clear="none" /><<a shape="rect" href="http://www.rudiinternational.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.rudiinternational.org</a>>*,<br clear="none" />CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <<a shape="rect" href="https://www.smart-kitoko.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.smart-kitoko.com/</a>>*,<br clear="none" />Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)<br clear="none" />GPG: 523644A0<br clear="none" /><br clear="none" />2015 Mandela Washington Fellow<br clear="none" /><<br clear="none" /><a shape="rect" href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" rel="nofollow">http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html</a>><br clear="none" /><br clear="none" />(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member<br clear="none" /><<a shape="rect" href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" rel="nofollow">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm</a>> Member. 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