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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I’d like to note that this important conversation has been going on so long, with so very many email exchanges that it is important to
<u>make the subject line extremely clear when there is finally a vote</u>, so people understand that they must respond or not be counted.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Something like: VOTE NOW on IGC – Weigh in or be left out<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Janna Anderson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><governance-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of "ian.peter@ianpeter.com" <ian.peter@ianpeter.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"ian.peter@ianpeter.com" <ian.peter@ianpeter.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"ian.peter@ianpeter.com" <ian.peter@ianpeter.com>, "ias_pk@yahoo.com" <ias_pk@yahoo.com>, Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns@gmail.com>, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal@gp-digital.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma@gmail.com>, "governance@lists.riseup.net" <governance@lists.riseup.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry, one phrase in this was not clear<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif;color:black">> And if you do not vote, or indicate a no preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif;color:black">What I meant to convey is that if you do not vote - and indicating a no preference vote is considered a vote for this purpose - you are no
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif;color:black">Ian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: "ian.peter@ianpeter.com" <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To: <a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>; "Bruna Martins dos Santos" <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>; "Sheetal Kumar" <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cc: "Arsène Tungali" <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>; "governance@lists.riseup.net" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent: 26/07/2019 6:41:03 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: [governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif">I disagree with the concept of publishing lists on line of people who join the mailing list. Apart from the GDPR and privacy issues, the maintenance problems for such a list are
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif">Also - there is often confusion in these discussions between mailing list users and IGC members. The mailing list contains many people who wont identify as IGC members - people
who are from government, private sector, tech community etc who do not identify as civil society but are interested to follow our discussions on internet governance issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif">IGC members, on the other hand, are people who voted in the most recent coordinator elections (or indicated a no preference vote) and who in this process identified as civil society
members. I think we also in this era have to ask their permission as part of this voting process for their names to be listed online as IGC members. (as pointed out by Bruna). That's a discussion as the election process gets underway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif">Everyone on the mailing list for more than 2 months gets the opportunity to vote if they wish to and consider themselves qualified, and thus be listed as an IGC member. And if
you do not vote, or indicate a no preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. That's what the Charter says.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif">But as regards lists on line - we should not be listing mailing list members. If we do intend to list IGC members, we have to ask their permission: and we will only have a reasonable
members list after the elections.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif">From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif">To: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>; "Sheetal Kumar" <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif">Cc: "Arsène Tungali" <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>; "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif">Sent: 26/07/2019 2:43:49 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",serif">Subject: Re: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits users who has join the IGC. and Keeping
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>> wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy to work with you on this if that helps,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to see the IGC website back to work!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be important to have
a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if everyone agrees. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Best Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah <<a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">>Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the User Registration Page is developed and uploaded.
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Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before<br>
they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co<br>
were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep<br>
it that way. It is said on this link<br>
(<a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Figcaucus.org%2Fmembership%2F&data=02%7C01%7Candersj%40elon.edu%7Cb662dc659bb74c053f6508d711414eda%7Cba18326d711f4ae286816115493a7a53%7C1%7C1%7C636996844539442687&sdata=w2lwH%2FI5pAJpW5CBVfFJx%2F2QDGLTjc9vsLqTiFTABJ4%3D&reserved=0">https://igcaucus.org/membership/</a>)
that anyone who sends an email to<br>
<a href="mailto:governance-subscribe@lists.riseup.net">governance-subscribe@lists.riseup.net</a> will be subscribed.<br>
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Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And<br>
then have them approve the request before the member is added to the<br>
mailing list?<br>
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Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm<br>
my thinking.<br>
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2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>:<br>
> Dear IGC Members,<br>
><br>
> As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of revival<br>
> of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of<br>
> technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) who<br>
> have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. Jeremy<br>
> Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed<br>
> the Website. Contents are obtained from <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org.&data=02%7C01%7Candersj%40elon.edu%7Cb662dc659bb74c053f6508d711414eda%7Cba18326d711f4ae286816115493a7a53%7C1%7C1%7C636996844539442687&sdata=Om%2BpkpC%2Fni%2BPfVXYMr%2BVWnLeF3BWrRVm%2BaZKt6dtraY%3D&reserved=0">
https://web.archive.org. </a>This is a<br>
> soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links<br>
> are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be<br>
> maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is<br>
> arranging offsite-backups.<br>
> This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri<br>
> Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm,<br>
> Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the<br>
> restoration are Farzaneh and Imran.<br>
><br>
> We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives,<br>
> mailing list and others over the time. The website <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2FIGCaucus.org&data=02%7C01%7Candersj%40elon.edu%7Cb662dc659bb74c053f6508d711414eda%7Cba18326d711f4ae286816115493a7a53%7C1%7C1%7C636996844539452679&sdata=f1%2FNR%2BW%2FwymiqBB3Wpihzj%2FYfrjnT90T6jE%2BApH3d%2Fk%3D&reserved=0">
https://IGCaucus.org </a>has<br>
> been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working<br>
> Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We also<br>
> need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new members<br>
> and old ones. This is archived information.<br>
><br>
> As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published.<br>
> This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of members,<br>
> differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been<br>
> members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the<br>
> matters related to elections which we think should be done in coordination<br>
> with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to<br>
> help with organizing the elections.<br>
><br>
> The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments and<br>
> suggestions.<br>
><br>
><br>
> on behalf of<br>
> [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website]<br>
><br>
> Imran Ahmed Shah<br>
> [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society]<br>
><br>
><br>
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