<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 4:19 AM <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a> <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Well its good to see so many people who care about the future of a credible voice for civil society in the internet governance field, even if there are big differences as regards how to revive things in this space!</div><div><br></div><div>If I may summarise:</div><div><br></div><div>1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should be discussed down the track after a credible web presence and leadership structure have been restored.</div><div><br></div><div>2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh and Jeremy) regards website restoration. There is no reason why this cannot take place now with a small group reporting back here. (see separate topic)</div><div><br></div><div>3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for coco election now, others suggest a delay of a couple of months until other matters are in place. </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Agree with IAN. It is not really important to consider formalizing coordination a pressing priority.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sivasubramanian M</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>I am not convinced either way - do we have a membership list, for instance, which is necessary for elections? If not, there seems to be no choice but to delay. And if there is one election now, there will also be another one in less than six months when Bruna's term expires. So an argument to do both together in a few months is reasonable perhaps. I will be happy for whatever outcome the call suggests for this, BUT::::::</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div>If there is not an immediate coco election, which seems to be the most supported option, I believe it is essential; we agree to an interim leadership group until it is practical to hold such elections. Apart from Bruna, capable names like Sheeta and Farzeneh have been mentioned. Such an interim group is absolutely necessary, I believe, if the group decides on the call not to proceed immediately with coco elections.</div><div><br></div><div>So I am happy whichever way the call determines on this one: but I am not happy for there to be no action at all to resolve this issue. </div><div><br></div><div>Ian Peter</div><div> -</div><div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>------ Original Message ------</div>
<div>From: "Sheetal Kumar" <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>></div>
<div>To: "parminder" <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></div>
<div>Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">milton@gatech.edu</a>>; "Nnenna Nwakanma" <<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>>; "governance" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div>
<div>Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects</div><div><br></div>
<div id="m_-197896983657633858xd87615d367764f6"><blockquote cite="http://CAK78muQeWtYVFxB8z74BnYkM91w8Q0=fq4=Zv-ZaqMZ7j4QKDg@mail.gmail.com" type="cite" class="m_-197896983657633858cite2">
<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Parminder, all, <br></div><div><br></div><div>As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about closing Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not already on IGC to join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for months. The information has been continually shared on both this list/among this community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to reach out to key people and communicated things more clearly perhaps. That's something I've learned. We did try but we can always do more to communicate better. <br></div><div><br></div><div>There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity on, and what follows is my reading of things as someone who has been part of the relevant discussions from the beginning so I do hope I'm not misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's worth identifying what we agree on and then work through what we disagree on.<br></div><div>
<p><i> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please
state it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space.
Why are we going in so many circles about it?</i></p><p><i>
</i></p><p><i>What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday
Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will be held
after (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been asking what
is this, who triggered this demand, with what objectives, what
justifications, and so on, and people simply refuse to answer),
and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list,
one has to individually take its membership with an explicit
individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists
here) .</i></p>
<p>All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, including by active, long-standing and even founding members of both, has been how to reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was agreed by those taking part in these discussions which have been open to everyone from the start (there is a whole archive of the discussions that have been continually shared on here and on Bestbits, including <a href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">in the etherpad here</a>), that the existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits should close. As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in my opinion), this could not simply be a matter of closing the list and telling everyone to move off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already members. As I mentioned before, Bestbits was more than a list too. Instead, we had conversations about it, that lasted months. Some people even wanted to create a new group. We decided not to. Among some suggestions that came out of these conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC members were part of this discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was decided or agreed in that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to happen. Any such process would have to respect the IGC charter and involve all members. Of course. Anything that has been shared which says otherwise are simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There are no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the Charter. Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed leadership from what I can see, just people trying to steer things towards more unity and less fracture. <br></p><p><i>
Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one
really is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this
certainly cannot be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal
are saying has been on for more than 6 months now. That would be
so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for
voting stopping the process, but why labour it over 7 months when
it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it does make me
wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the coordinator
election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!?
What does one read into it. <br></i></p><p>It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in the discussions which have been open to everyone since the beginning to decide to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society coordination. There were other proposals like I said, including setting up a new group. So here we are. 7 months later, with agreement to close Bestbits and not create a new list or do something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, but because leadership is I guess key to reinvigorating things, elections are seen as a way to start.<br></p><p>Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that are not on IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is that even if one or two of those people join and have the energy and commitment to run for elections and coordinate going forward, we should wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose? David and Jeanette have pointed out that we could wait for an indefinite period of time and it would just be a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we could undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and reach out to them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to have a call in w/c August 05 (I will send the details soon) and we can collectively set a date then for the closure of Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to join. And then we'll be all having this conversation on this list, including new members. Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we can then decide whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 months. Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right away, including the handful of new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can discuss the day 0 event together. If we don't do the closure properly then we risk relevant and interested people losing out on the opportunity to discuss these things. <br></p><p>So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of Bestbits who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and have a conversation about when to hold elections etc etc?<br></p><p>Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X. </p><p>Best</p><p>Sheetal<br></p><p><i></i></p>
</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><br>
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<div class="m_-197896983657633858gmail-m_-1839724901850448854moz-cite-prefix">On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" class="m_-197896983657633858cite">
What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact
trying to merge BB and IGC. </blockquote>
<p>Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is
no merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if
conditions are fulfilled they are indeed welcome.</p>
<p> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please
state it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space.
Why are we going in so many circles about it?</p>
<p>Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been
stated. <br>
</p>
<p>1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members
can go through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be
done, and there has been no major opposition to it (Although,
frankly, if you ask me, I really do not understand why this hurry
and absolute insistence on voting right away . That should not be
such a big thing. Cooling periods are there for a reason. People
who havent ever been on the IGC need to observe, see and know and
mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for their
choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is
the plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.)<br>
</p>
<p>2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much
problem with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can
put them somewhere on it, no problem.</p>
<p>What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us
clearly, rather than going in circles and creating so much
confusion. <br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="m_-197896983657633858cite">We are
trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We don’t
do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group.</blockquote>
<p>Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people
-- other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ?<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="m_-197896983657633858cite"> Face
facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need us.
It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we
have been going through to bring things back together. </blockquote>
<p>What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday
Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will be held
after (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been asking what
is this, who triggered this demand, with what objectives, what
justifications, and so on, and people simply refuse to answer),
and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list,
one has to individually take its membership with an explicit
individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists
here) .</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="m_-197896983657633858cite"> I hope
I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of civil
society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like
certain actors are doing the reminding for me.
</blockquote>
<p>Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational
abyss, please do remind us. (Btw, I was among the founding
members of BB, and I remember you werent around that much in those
discussions). In fact any coming back of BB member to IGC -- if
you really think so --should perhaps be helped by visiting the
original conditions of why they went away and so on... We are
capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be afraid.
Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And
then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were
able to achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not,
why, and what are the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back
to an IGC, which admittedly is far weaker and lost now than when
they left it. <br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="m_-197896983657633858cite">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the
newcomers can vote. Can someone tell me what positive goal is
achieved by doing that? Can someone tell me what is lost if we
don’t hold elections? </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one
really is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this
certainly cannot be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal
are saying has been on for more than 6 months now. That would be
so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for
voting stopping the process, but why labour it over 7 months when
it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it does make me
wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the coordinator
election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!?
What does one read into it. <br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="m_-197896983657633858cite">
<div>
<div>Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place
where they can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. <br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>(Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their
private pond. I hope not. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>parminder <br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="m_-197896983657633858cite">
<div>
<div><br>
<div id="m_-197896983657633858gmail-m_-1839724901850448854AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Milton L Mueller
<div>Professor, School of Public Policy</div>
<div>Georgia Institute of Technology</div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" class="m_-197896983657633858cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear all, <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up
to the Charter. It's indeed pretty straightforward.
However, what I don't understand is the disregard for
a process that has been ongoing for months, about a
large and until recently active splinter group of IGC
(namely, Bestbits) which has since agreed to close and
its members who are not already part of IGC 'join
IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an
active membership, it had a functioning website, it
had a steering group, it used to coordinate, and more.
It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to
convene an event before the global IGF. And now it is
closing. Who knows how many people who have been part
of that discussion or at least following on Bestbits
who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC
elections? Whether its semantic or not to call it a
'merger', the point remains that this has been a
discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an
impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't
have to, but I think it makes sense for them to
considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as a
splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this
because I want to run for any elections necessarily,
I've only ever been interested a discussion towards a
more impactful and coordinated civil society in this
space. It just seems to make sense not to disregard
that Bestbits discussion and to take decisions with
the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the
history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting
process: Each person who is subscribed to the list at
least two (2) months before the election will be given
a voter account".
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of
IGC joined then they couldn't vote right away.
Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a time
sensitive reason not to, that would be good to
discuss.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever
an idea, its not been agreed to anywhere by anyone.
It's just something to discuss, further down the line.
Perhaps.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best</div>
<div>Sheetal<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at
12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>I think we can pull off an IGC elections by
Berlin IGF.<br>
</div>
Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process".<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Once an individual decides that it is worth
it.. it only takes a click to accept the charter
and be added to the mailing list.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>My 2 cents</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nnenna<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 17,
2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">suresh@hserus.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-IN">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Much to my surprise
I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to
be wound up, so be it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>After which, those
from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the
IGC please subscribe to the list and do
so.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div style="border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:
</b><<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">governance-request@lists.riseup.net</a>>
on behalf of parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
<b>Reply to: </b>parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at
4:50 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>,
Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>"
<<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>,
"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>,
governance <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [governance]
Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF
Day zero event and other subjects</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 17/07/19 3:25 PM,
Arsène Tungali wrote:<br>
<br>
</p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last</pre>
<pre>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co</pre>
<pre>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter</pre>
<pre>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was</pre>
<pre>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are.</pre>
</blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Arsene</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
am not sure what you mean about a unified
list...</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There
is a clear, and rather easy, way to join
the IGC, and it is up to to those in
Bestbits and not already in IGC to take
that route if they want to. Meanwhile we
do welcome all civil society members
adhering to iGC's charter (rather than
insisting for, unclear and unstated
reasons, to modify it).
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">And
there is really no merger involved here,
even if people loosely use that language .</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
remain astonished about the repeated talk
about a new IGC charter, especially as an
already decided thing! What exactly are
you talking about.
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">And
I am further pained for you, being still
perhaps an IGC co-coordinator, not at all
responding to my clear email about how
this elist is the primary work place for
the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's
assent tp the sentiment.</span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre> </pre>
<pre>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps.</pre>
</blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">You
can make whatever calls and agree on
whatever steps you have you may wish to --
that is no part of IGC's procedure, and
would have no meaning or consequence for
it.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">regards</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">parminder
</span></p>
<p> </p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Regards,</pre>
<pre>Arsene</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a>:</pre>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre>Dear all,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have</pre>
<pre>agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to</pre>
<pre>take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been</pre>
<pre>agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely</pre>
<pre>will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join</pre>
<pre>and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree</pre>
<pre>next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c</pre>
<pre>August 5.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Best</pre>
<pre>Sheetal</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a></pre>
<pre><a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><ian.peter@ianpeter.com></a></pre>
<pre>wrote:</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre>Bruna,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>On a more substantive matter -</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the</pre>
<pre>IGC</pre>
<pre>Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26</pre>
<pre>you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get</pre>
<pre>back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update?</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Ian Peter</pre>
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<pre>From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a></pre>
<pre>To: "Parminder" <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><parminder@itforchange.net></a></pre>
<pre>Cc: "governance" <a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a></pre>
<pre>Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM</pre>
<pre>Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero</pre>
<pre>event and other subjects</pre>
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<pre>Agree with Parminder.</pre>
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<pre>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><parminder@itforchange.net></a></pre>
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<pre>HI Bruna/ All</pre>
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<pre>Good morning to all!</pre>
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<pre>Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter.</pre>
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<pre>As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it...</pre>
<pre>Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please</pre>
<pre>ensure</pre>
<pre>that these do not clash. Thanks.</pre>
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<pre>While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be</pre>
<pre>done</pre>
<pre>among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main</pre>
<pre>and</pre>
<pre>authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request</pre>
<pre>everyone's attention to.</pre>
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<pre>thanks and best regards</pre>
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<pre>parminder</pre>
<pre>On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via </pre>
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