<div dir="ltr">I can't agree more with Parminder points that IGC is not measured by website presence but of substance. Making IGC to have substance should be our main priority. Currently, we have <b><font size="4">665</font></b> subscribers on the riseup mailing list, but not up to 10 names shows up frequently on the list. Safe me the question of "how", migrated members please. <div><br></div><div>Maybe, we need to start asking ourselves valid questions as to whether others are not participating. To get us to speed, I'll suggest, if visible, that the coordinators reach out to the subscribers to confirm their interest and active participation. Or a kind of roll call that confirm members' presence. And BB member, if willing to be added to build a functioning and active list before any election. With that, the substance as mentioned by Parminder can be seen and restored. </div><div><br></div><div><div>Regards.</div><div>Peter</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 5:04 AM parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p><font face="Verdana">There is going to be no fancy 'leadership
group'</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">No one has mentioned its need,
justification, etc.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">I dont mind Arsene and Bruno to continue
till elections, and they should. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Sala, you were the greatest proponent for
early even intimidate elections. Now, you agree with Ian below
that no "immediate coco election" "seems to be he most supported
option"? Anyway...</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">If elections are due, they should take
place. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">If they are postponed, clear reasons may be
described and action be taken as per.... Charter amendment is
out from such a list of reasons... Website work is independent
and nothing to do with elections (although remember IGC was
never much about a great website, it needs to first gets its
'substance' right which is nearly at about 'zero' right now, but
new things are always welcome, pl go ahead. But let not the
website volunteer list become anything else meanwhile).</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Are elections therefore being postponed bec
BB members (that are not already in the IGC) need to be able to
get to vote (although no one has really explained why that such
a tearing hurry to vote for what everyone agrees is likely a
pretty small number, but anyway)? Pl be clear and specific in
response -- both, the cocos, and those from BB who know about
this matter. election postponement is a big thing. Thanks. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Let us clearly be told why elections are
being postponed... If the above BB issue, then we want clarity
on; is BB closure and folding into the IGC decided, when would
the non IGC members enrol in the IGC, any time lines etc for
that..</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">That alone is the clear issue in front of
us, related to coco elections. So please convey clarity to the
IGC membership asap on this matter, and I request cocos special
attention to this</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Thanks and regards</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">parminder</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"></font><br>
</p>
<div class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501moz-cite-prefix">On 19/07/19 4:37 AM, "Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="auto">Ditto everything that Ian said.</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:49 pm
<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>,
<<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>Well its good to see so many people who care about the
future of a credible voice for civil society in the
internet governance field, even if there are big
differences as regards how to revive things in this space!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If I may summarise:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should be
discussed down the track after a credible web presence and
leadership structure have been restored.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh and
Jeremy) regards website restoration. There is no reason
why this cannot take place now with a small group
reporting back here. (see separate topic)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for
coco election now, others suggest a delay of a couple of
months until other matters are in place. I am not
convinced either way - do we have a membership list, for
instance, which is necessary for elections? If not, there
seems to be no choice but to delay. And if there is one
election now, there will also be another one in less than
six months when Bruna's term expires. So an argument to do
both together in a few months is reasonable perhaps. I
will be happy for whatever outcome the call suggests for
this, BUT::::::</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If there is not an immediate coco election, which seems
to be the most supported option, I believe it is
essential; we agree to an interim leadership group until
it is practical to hold such elections. Apart from Bruna,
capable names like Sheeta and Farzeneh have been
mentioned. Such an interim group is absolutely necessary,
I believe, if the group decides on the call not to proceed
immediately with coco elections.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So I am happy whichever way the call determines on this
one: but I am not happy for there to be no action at all
to resolve this issue. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ian Peter</div>
<div> -</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>------ Original Message ------</div>
<div>From: "Sheetal Kumar" <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>></div>
<div>To: "parminder" <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></div>
<div>Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>;
"Nnenna Nwakanma" <<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>>;
"governance" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div>
<div>Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging
Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div id="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335xd87615d367764f6">
<blockquote cite="http://CAK78muQeWtYVFxB8z74BnYkM91w8Q0=fq4=Zv-ZaqMZ7j4QKDg@mail.gmail.com" type="cite" class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335cite2">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear Parminder, all, <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As you and others have pointed out, the
conversation about closing Bestbits and requesting
any members there who are not already on IGC to join
IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for
months. The information has been continually shared
on both this list/among this community and on the
Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to
reach out to key people and communicated things more
clearly perhaps. That's something I've learned. We
did try but we can always do more to communicate
better. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There are just a few things which Parminder
you've asked clarity on, and what follows is my
reading of things as someone who has been part of
the relevant discussions from the beginning so I do
hope I'm not misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh
was doing earlier, I think it's worth identifying
what we agree on and then work through what we
disagree on.<br>
</div>
<div>
<p><i> If there is anything more? If so, everyone
involved, please state it out here, explicitly,
on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we
going in so many circles about it?</i></p>
<p><i>
</i></p>
<p><i>What process is being disregarded, the one
about which yesterday Arsene reported that it
was decided that elections will be held after
(1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been
asking what is this, who triggered this demand,
with what objectives, what justifications, and
so on, and people simply refuse to answer), and
(2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC is
not a list, one has to individually take its
membership with an explicit individual-based
process, there is no merging or combining lists
here) .</i></p>
<p>All that has been discussed, on both IGC and
Bestbits lists, including by active, long-standing
and even founding members of both, has been how to
reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was
agreed by those taking part in these discussions
which have been open to everyone from the start
(there is a whole archive of the discussions that
have been continually shared on here and on
Bestbits, including <a href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">in the etherpad here</a>),
that the existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't
helping so Bestbits should close. As we are all
sticklers for process (a good thing, in my
opinion), this could not simply be a matter of
closing the list and telling everyone to move off
onto another (IGC) if they weren't already
members. As I mentioned before, Bestbits was more
than a list too. Instead, we had conversations
about it, that lasted months. Some people even
wanted to create a new group. We decided not to.
Among some suggestions that came out of these
conversations was the opportunity to revise the
IGC charter. Founding IGC members were part of
this discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing
was decided or agreed in that regard. Indeed it
would be bizarre for that to happen. Any such
process would have to respect the IGC charter and
involve all members. Of course. Anything that has
been shared which says otherwise are simply
unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move
on. There are no reverse takeovers taking place,
no desire to rip apart the Charter. Respect for
process is key. There is no self-appointed
leadership from what I can see, just people trying
to steer things towards more unity and less
fracture. <br>
</p>
<p><i>
Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership
to vote.. No one really is insisting that we
hold elections like today . But this certainly
cannot be the reason for a process that you /
Sheetal are saying has been on for more than 6
months now. That would be so very illogical,
no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for
voting stopping the process, but why labour it
over 7 months when it needs just 2 months
cooling period? -- Although it does make me
wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on
the coordinator election!! IGC is much more than
that... Why such insistence!!? What does one
read into it. <br>
</i></p>
<p>It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took
ages for those in the discussions which have been
open to everyone since the beginning to decide to
close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil
society coordination. There were other proposals
like I said, including setting up a new group. So
here we are. 7 months later, with agreement to
close Bestbits and not create a new list or do
something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, but
because leadership is I guess key to
reinvigorating things, elections are seen as a way
to start.<br>
</p>
<p>Also, others have asked 'how many people are on
Bestbits' that are not on IGC? Honestly, I don't
know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is
that even if one or two of those people join and
have the energy and commitment to run for
elections and coordinate going forward, we should
wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose?
David and Jeanette have pointed out that we could
wait for an indefinite period of time and it would
just be a for a handful of people to join. That is
true, so we could undertake an exercise comparing
who is not on both lists and reach out to them
directly. Alternatively, we are planning to have a
call in w/c August 05 (I will send the details
soon) and we can collectively set a date then for
the closure of Bestbits, requesting those not
already on IGC to join. And then we'll be all
having this conversation on this list, including
new members. Once new BB members have joined (even
if its just 2-3 people) we can then decide whether
to hold elections right away or wait 2 months.
Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections
right away, including the handful of new members.
Or maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can
discuss the day 0 event together. If we don't do
the closure properly then we risk relevant and
interested people losing out on the opportunity to
discuss these things. <br>
</p>
<p>So, can we agree that we set a date and time by
which members of Bestbits who are not members of
IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and have a
conversation about when to hold elections etc etc?<br>
</p>
<p>Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in
Room X. </p>
<p>Best</p>
<p>Sheetal<br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Jul 2019
at 09:35, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335gmail-m_-1839724901850448854moz-cite-prefix">On
17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335cite"> What Sheetal
says below is correct in my opinion. We are in
fact trying to merge BB and IGC. </blockquote>
<p>Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point
of view, there is no merging happening... Some
new people want to join IGC, and if conditions
are fulfilled they are indeed welcome.</p>
<p> If there is anything more? If so, everyone
involved, please state it out here, explicitly,
on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we
going in so many circles about it?</p>
<p>Lately, two specific, and what I consider
minor, issues have been stated. <br>
</p>
<p>1. Can enough time be given to elections so
that the new members can go through their 2
month cooling period.... I said that can be
done, and there has been no major opposition to
it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I really
do not understand why this hurry and absolute
insistence on voting right away . That should
not be such a big thing. Cooling periods are
there for a reason. People who havent ever been
on the IGC need to observe, see and know and
mingle before insisting on some absolute rights
to vote for their choice of coordinator. So,
why, really this insistence ? What is the plan?
But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.)<br>
</p>
<p>2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again
there is not much problem with it. Whenever we
have a working IGC website, we can put them
somewhere on it, no problem.</p>
<p>What else? Is there anything more? Why dont
people tell us clearly, rather than going in
circles and creating so much confusion. <br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335cite">We are trying
to create a more unified civil society presence.
We don’t do that by throwing up procedural walls
around this group.</blockquote>
<p>Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are
blocking BB people -- other than those who
already are there-- from joining IGC, ?<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335cite"> Face facts,
IGC needs the people from BB just as much as
they need us. It is destructive, as Sheetal
says, to disregard the process we have been
going through to bring things back together. </blockquote>
<p>What process is being disregarded, the one
about which yesterday Arsene reported that it
was decided that elections will be held after
(1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been
asking what is this, who triggered this demand,
with what objectives, what justifications, and
so on, and people simply refuse to answer), and
(2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC is
not a list, one has to individually take its
membership with an explicit individual-based
process, there is no merging or combining lists
here) .</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335cite"> I hope I
don’t need to remind people why a significant
chunk of civil society broke off from IGC to
begin with - but it looks like certain actors
are doing the reminding for me. </blockquote>
<p>Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a
confrontational abyss, please do remind us.
(Btw, I was among the founding members of BB,
and I remember you werent around that much in
those discussions). In fact any coming back of
BB member to IGC -- if you really think so
--should perhaps be helped by visiting the
original conditions of why they went away and so
on... We are capable of an adult conversation
here, and should not be afraid. Important public
facts are always good to know and discuss. And
then one may also discuss what happened with BB,
whether they were able to achieve the objectives
they set themselves for, if not, why, and what
are the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming
back to an IGC, which admittedly is far weaker
and lost now than when they left it. <br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335cite">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is exclusionary to hold elections now,
before the newcomers can vote. Can someone
tell me what positive goal is achieved by
doing that? Can someone tell me what is lost
if we don’t hold elections? </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership
to vote.. No one really is insisting that we
hold elections like today . But this certainly
cannot be the reason for a process that you /
Sheetal are saying has been on for more than 6
months now. That would be so very illogical,
no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for
voting stopping the process, but why labour it
over 7 months when it needs just 2 months
cooling period? -- Although it does make me
wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on
the coordinator election!! IGC is much more than
that... Why such insistence!!? What does one
read into it. <br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335cite">
<div>
<div>Do some people like for IGC to be a small
and hostile place where they can be a big
fish in a small pond? I hope not. <br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>(Just to match) Or are some people planning to
make IGC their private pond. I hope not. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>parminder <br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335cite">
<div>
<div><br>
<div id="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335gmail-m_-1839724901850448854AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Milton L Mueller
<div>Professor, School of Public Policy</div>
<div>Georgia Institute of Technology</div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar
<<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear all, <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree that it is easy to join
IGC if you sign up to the Charter.
It's indeed pretty straightforward.
However, what I don't understand is
the disregard for a process that has
been ongoing for months, about a
large and until recently active
splinter group of IGC (namely,
Bestbits) which has since agreed to
close and its members who are not
already part of IGC 'join IGC'.
Bestbits was not just a mailing
list, it had an active membership,
it had a functioning website, it had
a steering group, it used to
coordinate, and more. It also had
its own membership of the CSCG and
used to convene an event before the
global IGF. And now it is closing.
Who knows how many people who have
been part of that discussion or at
least following on Bestbits who are
not on IGC would like to be part of
the IGC elections? Whether its
semantic or not to call it a
'merger', the point remains that
this has been a discussion for a few
months that should, IMHO, have an
impact on when to hold the IGC
elections. They don't have to, but I
think it makes sense for them to
considering the history of IGC and
Bestbits (as a splinter group of
IGC). Also, I'm not saying this
because I want to run for any
elections necessarily, I've only
ever been interested a discussion
towards a more impactful and
coordinated civil society in this
space. It just seems to make sense
not to disregard that Bestbits
discussion and to take decisions
with the Bestbits discussion in mind
(again, because of the history of
the connection between Bestbits and
IGC).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I've looked at the IGC Charter
and it says "Voting process: Each
person who is subscribed to the list
at least two (2) months before the
election will be given a voter
account". <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So, even if Bestbits members who
are not part of IGC joined then they
couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't
we wait for 2-3 months? If there is
a time sensitive reason not to, that
would be good to discuss.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For clarity, revising the IGC
charter was only ever an idea, its
not been agreed to anywhere by
anyone. It's just something to
discuss, further down the line.
Perhaps.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best</div>
<div>Sheetal<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna
Nwakanma <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>I think we can pull off an
IGC elections by Berlin IGF.<br>
</div>
Joining the IGC from BB should
not be "a process".<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Once an individual decides
that it is worth it.. it only
takes a click to accept the
charter and be added to the
mailing list.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>My 2 cents</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nnenna<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM
Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-IN">
<div class="gmail-m_-4966840308758334501m_6990595258997513335gmail-m_-1839724901850448854gmail-m_3561223288472794221gmail-m_-1884700876395715120WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Much
to my surprise I agree
with Parminder. If
Bestbits is to be wound
up, so be it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>After
which, those from
Bestbits who wish to
caucus in the IGC please
subscribe to the list
and do so.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div style="border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:
</b><<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">governance-request@lists.riseup.net</a>>
on behalf of parminder
<<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
<b>Reply to: </b>parminder
<<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday,
17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>Arsène
Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>,
Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>"
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"Salanieta T.
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governance <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[governance] Reviving
IGC: Merging Bestbits
in, IGF Day zero event
and other subjects</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène
Tungali wrote:<br>
<br>
</p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last</pre>
<pre>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co</pre>
<pre>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter</pre>
<pre>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was</pre>
<pre>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are.</pre>
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<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Arsene</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I
am not sure what you
mean about a unified
list...</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">There
is a clear, and rather
easy, way to join the
IGC, and it is up to to
those in Bestbits and
not already in IGC to
take that route if they
want to. Meanwhile we do
welcome all civil
society members adhering
to iGC's charter (rather
than insisting for,
unclear and unstated
reasons, to modify it).
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">And
there is really no
merger involved here,
even if people loosely
use that language .</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I
remain astonished about
the repeated talk about
a new IGC charter,
especially as an already
decided thing! What
exactly are you talking
about. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">And
I am further pained for
you, being still perhaps
an IGC co-coordinator,
not at all responding to
my clear email about how
this elist is the
primary work place for
the IGC, and also an
ex-coordinator's assent
tp the sentiment.</span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre> </pre>
<pre>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps.</pre>
</blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">You
can make whatever calls
and agree on whatever
steps you have you may
wish to -- that is no
part of IGC's procedure,
and would have no
meaning or consequence
for it.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">regards</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">parminder
</span></p>
<p> </p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Regards,</pre>
<pre>Arsene</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a>:</pre>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre>Dear all,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have</pre>
<pre>agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to</pre>
<pre>take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been</pre>
<pre>agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely</pre>
<pre>will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join</pre>
<pre>and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree</pre>
<pre>next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c</pre>
<pre>August 5.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Best</pre>
<pre>Sheetal</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a></pre>
<pre><a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><ian.peter@ianpeter.com></a></pre>
<pre>wrote:</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre>Bruna,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>On a more substantive matter -</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the</pre>
<pre>IGC</pre>
<pre>Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26</pre>
<pre>you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get</pre>
<pre>back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update?</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Ian Peter</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>------ Original Message ------</pre>
<pre>From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a></pre>
<pre>To: "Parminder" <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><parminder@itforchange.net></a></pre>
<pre>Cc: "governance" <a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a></pre>
<pre>Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM</pre>
<pre>Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero</pre>
<pre>event and other subjects</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Agree with Parminder.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><parminder@itforchange.net></a></pre>
<pre>wrote:</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre>HI Bruna/ All</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Good morning to all!</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it...</pre>
<pre>Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please</pre>
<pre>ensure</pre>
<pre>that these do not clash. Thanks.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be</pre>
<pre>done</pre>
<pre>among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main</pre>
<pre>and</pre>
<pre>authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request</pre>
<pre>everyone's attention to.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>thanks and best regards</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>parminder</pre>
<pre>On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via </pre>
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