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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/07/19 9:34 AM, parminder wrote:<br>
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      <p><font face="Verdana">There is going to be no fancy 'leadership
          group'</font></p>
      <p><font face="Verdana">No one has mentioned its need,
          justification, etc.</font></p>
      <p><font face="Verdana">I dont mind Arsene and Bruno to continue
          till elections, and they should. <br>
        </font></p>
      <p><font face="Verdana">Sala, you were the greatest proponent for
          early even intimidate </font></p>
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    <p><font face="Verdana">immediate </font><br>
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      <p><font face="Verdana">elections. Now, you agree with Ian below
          that no "immediate coco election" "seems to be he most
          supported option"? Anyway...</font></p>
      <p><font face="Verdana">If elections are due, they should take
          place. <br>
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      <p><font face="Verdana">If they are postponed, clear reasons may
          be described and action be taken as per.... Charter amendment
          is out from such a list of reasons... Website work is
          independent and nothing to do with elections (although
          remember IGC was never much about a great website, it needs to
          first gets its 'substance' right which is nearly at about
          'zero' right now, but new things are always welcome, pl go
          ahead. But let not the website volunteer list become anything
          else meanwhile).</font></p>
      <p><font face="Verdana">Are elections therefore being postponed
          bec BB members (that are not already in the IGC) need to be
          able to get to vote  (although no one has really explained why
          that such a tearing hurry to vote for what everyone agrees is
          likely a pretty small number, but anyway)?  Pl be clear and
          specific in response -- both, the cocos, and those from BB who
          know about this matter. election postponement is a big thing. 
          Thanks. <br>
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      <p><font face="Verdana">Let us clearly be told why elections are
          being postponed... If the above BB issue, then we want clarity
          on; is BB closure and folding into the IGC decided, when would
          the non IGC members enrol in the IGC, any time lines etc for
          that..</font></p>
      <p><font face="Verdana">That alone is the clear issue in front of
          us, related to coco elections. So please convey clarity to the
          IGC membership asap on this matter, and I request cocos
          special attention to this</font></p>
      <p><font face="Verdana">Thanks and regards</font></p>
      <p><font face="Verdana">parminder</font></p>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/07/19 4:37 AM, "Salanieta T.
        Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">Ditto everything that Ian said.</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:49
            pm <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>, <<a
              href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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              <div>Well its good to see so many people who care about
                the future of a credible voice for civil society in the
                internet governance field, even if there are big
                differences as regards how to revive things in this
                space!</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>If I may summarise:</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should
                be discussed down the track after a credible web
                presence and leadership structure have been restored.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh
                and Jeremy) regards website restoration. There is no
                reason why this cannot take place now with a small group
                reporting back here. (see separate topic)</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for
                coco election now, others suggest a delay of a couple of
                months until other matters are in place. I am not
                convinced either way - do we have a membership list, for
                instance, which is necessary for elections? If not,
                there seems to be no choice but to delay. And if there
                is one election now, there will also be another one in
                less than six months when Bruna's term expires. So an
                argument to do both together in a few months is
                reasonable perhaps. I will be happy for whatever outcome
                the call suggests for this, BUT::::::</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>If there is not an immediate coco election, which
                seems to be the most supported option, I believe it is
                essential; we agree to an interim leadership group until
                it is practical to hold such elections. Apart from
                Bruna, capable names like Sheeta and Farzeneh have been
                mentioned. Such an interim group is absolutely
                necessary, I believe, if the group decides on the call
                not to proceed immediately with coco elections.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>So I am happy whichever way the call determines on
                this one: but I am not happy for there to be no action
                at all to resolve this issue. </div>
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              <div>Ian Peter</div>
              <div> -</div>
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              <div>------ Original Message ------</div>
              <div>From: "Sheetal Kumar" <<a
                  href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank"
                  rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>></div>
              <div>To: "parminder" <<a
                  href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></div>
              <div>Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" <<a
                  href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank"
                  rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>>;
                "Nnenna Nwakanma" <<a
                  href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                  rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>>;
                "governance" <<a
                  href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net"
                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div>
              <div>Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM</div>
              <div>Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging
                Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects</div>
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                    <div>Dear Parminder, all, <br>
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                    <div>As you and others have pointed out, the
                      conversation about closing Bestbits and requesting
                      any members there who are not already on IGC to
                      join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing
                      for months. The information has been continually
                      shared on both this list/among this community and
                      on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done
                      more to reach out to key people and communicated
                      things more clearly perhaps. That's something I've
                      learned. We did try but we can always do more to
                      communicate better.  <br>
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                    <div><br>
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                    <div>There are just a few things which Parminder
                      you've asked clarity on, and what follows is my
                      reading of things as someone who has been part of
                      the relevant discussions from the beginning so I
                      do hope I'm not misrepresenting anything. As
                      Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's worth
                      identifying what we agree on and then work through
                      what we disagree on.<br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p><i> If there is anything more? If so, everyone
                          involved, please state it out here,
                          explicitly, on the IGC's primary working
                          space. Why are we going  in so many circles
                          about it?</i></p>
                      <p><i> </i></p>
                      <p><i>What process is being disregarded, the one
                          about  which yesterday Arsene reported that it
                          was decided that elections will be held after
                          (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have
                          been asking what is this, who triggered this
                          demand, with what objectives, what
                          justifications, and so on, and people simply
                          refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a
                          combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one
                          has to individually take its membership with
                          an explicit individual-based process, there is
                          no merging or combining lists here) .</i></p>
                      <p>All that has been discussed, on both IGC and
                        Bestbits lists, including by active,
                        long-standing and even founding members of both,
                        has been how to reinvigorate civil society
                        coordination. It was agreed by those taking part
                        in these discussions which have been open to
                        everyone from the start (there is a whole
                        archive of the discussions that have been
                        continually shared on here and on Bestbits,
                        including <a
                          href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture"
                          target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">in the etherpad here</a>),
                        that the existence of both Bestbits and IGC
                        wasn't helping so Bestbits should close. As we
                        are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in
                        my opinion), this could not simply be a matter
                        of closing the list and telling everyone to move
                        off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already
                        members. As I mentioned before, Bestbits was
                        more than a list too. Instead, we had
                        conversations about it, that lasted months. Some
                        people even wanted to create a new group. We
                        decided not to. Among some suggestions that came
                        out of these conversations was the opportunity
                        to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC members
                        were part of this discussion, nothing, and I
                        repeat, nothing was decided or agreed in that
                        regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to
                        happen. Any such process would have to respect
                        the IGC charter and involve all members. Of
                        course. Anything that has been shared which says
                        otherwise are simply unfortunate
                        misunderstandings, and we should move on. There
                        are no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire
                        to rip apart the Charter. Respect for process is
                        key. There is no self-appointed leadership from
                        what I can see, just people trying to steer
                        things towards more unity and less fracture. <br>
                      </p>
                      <p><i> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of
                          membership to vote.. No one really is
                          insisting that we hold elections like today .
                          But this certainly cannot be the reason for a
                          process that you / Sheetal are saying has been
                          on for more than 6 months now. That  would be
                          so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue
                          of eligibility for voting stopping the
                          process, but why labour it over 7 months when
                          it needs just 2 months cooling period? --
                          Although it does make me wonder, and I repeat,
                          why such a strong focus on the coordinator
                          election!! IGC is much more than that... Why
                          such insistence!!? What does one read into it.
                          <br>
                        </i></p>
                      <p>It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took
                        ages for those in the discussions which have
                        been open to everyone since the beginning to
                        decide to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a
                        lack of civil society coordination. There were
                        other proposals like I said, including setting
                        up a new group. So here we are. 7 months later,
                        with agreement to close Bestbits and not create
                        a new list or do something else. IGC is more
                        than a list, sure, but because leadership is I
                        guess key to reinvigorating things, elections
                        are seen as a way to start.<br>
                      </p>
                      <p>Also, others have asked 'how many people are on
                        Bestbits' that are not on IGC? Honestly, I don't
                        know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is
                        that even if one or two of those people join and
                        have the energy and commitment to run for
                        elections and coordinate going forward, we
                        should wait for them to join. Do we have much to
                        lose? David and Jeanette have pointed out that
                        we could wait for an indefinite period of time
                        and it would just be a for a handful of people
                        to join. That is true, so we could undertake an
                        exercise comparing who is not on both lists and
                        reach out to them directly. Alternatively, we
                        are planning to have a call in w/c August 05 (I
                        will send the details soon) and we can
                        collectively set a date then for the closure of
                        Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to
                        join. And then we'll be all having this
                        conversation on this list, including new
                        members. Once new BB members have joined (even
                        if its just 2-3 people) we can then decide
                        whether to hold elections right away or wait 2
                        months. Maybe everyone will want to just hold
                        elections right away, including the handful of
                        new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait.
                        Also, we can discuss the day 0 event together.
                        If we don't do the closure properly then we risk
                        relevant and interested people losing out on the
                        opportunity to discuss these things. <br>
                      </p>
                      <p>So, can we agree that we set a date and time by
                        which members of Bestbits who are not members of
                        IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and have
                        a conversation about when to hold elections etc
                        etc?<br>
                      </p>
                      <p>Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00
                        in Room X. </p>
                      <p>Best</p>
                      <p>Sheetal<br>
                      </p>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Jul
                      2019 at 09:35, parminder <<a
                        href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                          class="m_6990595258997513335gmail-m_-1839724901850448854moz-cite-prefix">On
                          17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite"
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                          Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion.
                          We are in fact trying to merge BB and IGC. </blockquote>
                        <p>Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC
                          point of view, there is no merging
                          happening... Some new people want to join IGC,
                          and if conditions are fulfilled they are
                          indeed welcome.</p>
                        <p> If there is anything more? If so, everyone
                          involved, please state it out here,
                          explicitly, on the IGC's primary working
                          space. Why are we going  in so many circles
                          about it?</p>
                        <p>Lately, two specific, and what I consider
                          minor, issues have been stated. <br>
                        </p>
                        <p>1. Can enough time be given to elections so
                          that the new members can go through their 2
                          month cooling period.... I said that can be
                          done, and there has been no major opposition
                          to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I
                          really do not understand why this hurry and
                          absolute insistence on voting right away .
                          That should not be such a big thing. Cooling
                          periods are there for a reason. People who
                          havent ever been on the IGC  need to observe,
                          see and know and mingle before insisting on
                          some absolute rights to vote for their choice
                          of coordinator. So, why, really this
                          insistence ? What is the plan? But anyway, I
                          really said I am fine either way.)<br>
                        </p>
                        <p>2. What to do with BB's web archives, and
                          again there is not much problem with it.
                          Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can
                          put them somewhere on it, no problem.</p>
                        <p>What else? Is there anything more? Why dont
                          people tell us clearly, rather than going in
                          circles and creating so much confusion. <br>
                        </p>
                        <blockquote type="cite"
                          class="m_6990595258997513335cite">We are
                          trying to create a more unified civil society
                          presence. We don’t do that by throwing up
                          procedural walls around this group.</blockquote>
                        <p>Can you be explicit? what procedural walls
                          are blocking BB people -- other than those who
                          already are there-- from joining IGC, ?<br>
                        </p>
                        <p><br>
                        </p>
                        <blockquote type="cite"
                          class="m_6990595258997513335cite"> Face facts,
                          IGC needs the people from BB just as much as
                          they need us. It is destructive, as Sheetal
                          says, to disregard the process we have been
                          going through to bring things back together. </blockquote>
                        <p>What process is being disregarded, the one
                          about  which yesterday Arsene reported that it
                          was decided that elections will be held after
                          (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have
                          been asking what is this, who triggered this
                          demand, with what objectives, what
                          justifications, and so on, and people simply
                          refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a
                          combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one
                          has to individually take its membership with
                          an explicit individual-based process, there is
                          no merging or combining lists here) .</p>
                        <p><br>
                        </p>
                        <blockquote type="cite"
                          class="m_6990595258997513335cite"> I hope I
                          don’t need to remind people why a significant
                          chunk of civil society broke off from IGC to
                          begin with - but it looks like certain actors
                          are doing the reminding for me.  </blockquote>
                        <p>Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards
                          a confrontational abyss, please do remind us.
                          (Btw,  I was among the founding members of BB,
                          and I remember you werent around that much in
                          those discussions).  In fact any coming back
                          of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so
                          --should perhaps be helped by visiting the
                          original conditions of why they went away and
                          so on... We are capable of an adult
                          conversation here, and should not be afraid.
                          Important public facts are always good to know
                          and discuss. And then one may also discuss
                          what happened with BB, whether they were able
                          to achieve the objectives they set themselves
                          for, if not, why, and what are the reasons of
                          BB's dissolution and coming back to an IGC,
                          which admittedly is far weaker and lost now
                          than when they left it. <br>
                        </p>
                        <blockquote type="cite"
                          class="m_6990595258997513335cite">
                          <div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>It is exclusionary to hold elections
                              now, before the newcomers can vote. Can
                              someone tell me what positive goal is
                              achieved by doing that? Can someone tell
                              me what is lost if we don’t hold
                              elections? </div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                        <p>Any newcomer needs just 2 months of
                          membership to vote.. No one really is
                          insisting that we hold elections like today .
                          But this certainly cannot be the reason for a
                          process that you / Sheetal are saying has been
                          on for more than 6 months now. That  would be
                          so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue
                          of eligibility for voting stopping the
                          process, but why labour it over 7 months when
                          it needs just 2 months cooling period? --
                          Although it does make me wonder, and I repeat,
                          why such a strong focus on the coordinator
                          election!! IGC is much more than that... Why
                          such insistence!!? What does one read into it.
                          <br>
                        </p>
                        <blockquote type="cite"
                          class="m_6990595258997513335cite">
                          <div>
                            <div>Do some people like for IGC to be a
                              small and hostile place where they can be
                              a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. <br>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                        <p>(Just to match) Or are some people planning
                          to make IGC their private pond. I hope not. <br>
                        </p>
                        <p><br>
                        </p>
                        <p>parminder <br>
                        </p>
                        <blockquote type="cite"
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                            <div><br>
                              <div
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                                dir="ltr">Milton L Mueller
                                <div>Professor, School of Public Policy</div>
                                <div>Georgia Institute of Technology</div>
                              </div>
                              <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar
                                <<a
                                  href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"
                                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
                                <br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote type="cite"
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                                <div dir="ltr">
                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                    <div>Dear all, <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>I agree that it is easy to join
                                      IGC if you sign up to the Charter.
                                      It's indeed pretty
                                      straightforward. However, what I
                                      don't understand is the disregard
                                      for a process that has been
                                      ongoing for months, about a large
                                      and until recently active splinter
                                      group of IGC (namely, Bestbits)
                                      which has since agreed to close
                                      and its members who are not
                                      already part of IGC 'join IGC'.
                                      Bestbits was not just a mailing
                                      list, it had an active membership,
                                      it had a functioning website, it
                                      had a steering group, it used to
                                      coordinate, and more. It also had
                                      its own membership of the CSCG and
                                      used to convene an event before
                                      the global IGF. And now it is
                                      closing. Who knows how many people
                                      who have been part of that
                                      discussion or at least following
                                      on Bestbits who are not on IGC
                                      would like to be part of the IGC
                                      elections? Whether its semantic or
                                      not to call it a 'merger', the
                                      point remains that this has been a
                                      discussion for a few months that
                                      should, IMHO, have an impact on
                                      when to hold the IGC elections.
                                      They don't have to, but I think it
                                      makes sense for them to
                                      considering the history of IGC and
                                      Bestbits (as a splinter group of
                                      IGC). Also, I'm not saying this
                                      because I want to run for any
                                      elections necessarily, I've only
                                      ever been interested a discussion
                                      towards a more impactful and
                                      coordinated civil society in this
                                      space. It just seems to make sense
                                      not to disregard that Bestbits
                                      discussion and to take decisions
                                      with the Bestbits discussion in
                                      mind (again, because of the
                                      history of the connection between
                                      Bestbits and IGC).<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>I've looked at the IGC Charter
                                      and it says "Voting process: Each
                                      person who is subscribed to the
                                      list at least two (2) months
                                      before the election will be given
                                      a voter account". <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>So, even if Bestbits members
                                      who are not part of IGC joined
                                      then they couldn't vote right
                                      away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3
                                      months? If there is a time
                                      sensitive reason not to, that
                                      would be good to discuss.<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>For clarity, revising the IGC
                                      charter was only ever an idea, its
                                      not been agreed to anywhere by
                                      anyone. It's just something to
                                      discuss, further down the line.
                                      Perhaps.<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Best</div>
                                    <div>Sheetal<br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                      Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna
                                      Nwakanma <<a
                                        href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net"
                                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                    </div>
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                                        <div>I think we can pull off an
                                          IGC elections by  Berlin IGF.<br>
                                        </div>
                                        Joining the IGC from BB  should
                                        not be  "a process".<br>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Once an individual decides
                                          that it is worth it.. it only
                                          takes a click to accept the
                                          charter and be added to the
                                          mailing list.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>My 2 cents</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Nnenna<br>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                                        <div dir="ltr"
                                          class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul
                                          17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh
                                          Ramasubramanian <<a
                                            href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            rel="noreferrer"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">suresh@hserus.net</a>>
                                          wrote:<br>
                                        </div>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Much
                                                  to my surprise I agree
                                                  with Parminder.  If
                                                  Bestbits is to be
                                                  wound up, so be it.</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>After
                                                  which, those from
                                                  Bestbits who wish to
                                                  caucus in the IGC
                                                  please subscribe to
                                                  the list and do so.</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:
                                                  </b><<a
                                                    href="mailto:governance-request@lists.riseup.net"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">governance-request@lists.riseup.net</a>>
                                                  on behalf of parminder
                                                  <<a
                                                    href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
                                                  <b>Reply to: </b>parminder
                                                  <<a
                                                    href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
                                                  <b>Date: </b>Wednesday,
                                                  17 July 2019 at 4:50
                                                  pm<br>
                                                  <b>To: </b>Arsène
                                                  Tungali <<a
                                                    href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>,
                                                  Sheetal Kumar <<a
                                                    href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><br>
                                                  <b>Cc: </b>"<a
                                                    href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>"
                                                  <<a
                                                    href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>,
                                                  "Salanieta T.
                                                  Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a
href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>,
                                                  governance <<a
                                                    href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><br>
                                                  <b>Subject: </b>Re:
                                                  [governance] Reviving
                                                  IGC: Merging Bestbits
                                                  in, IGF Day zero event
                                                  and other subjects</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              </div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène
                                                Tungali wrote:<br>
                                                <br>
                                              </p>
                                              <blockquote
                                                style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                                <pre>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.</pre>
                                                <pre> </pre>
                                                <pre>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last</pre>
                                                <pre>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co</pre>
                                                <pre>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter</pre>
                                                <pre>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was</pre>
                                                <pre>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are.</pre>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Arsene</span></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
                                                  am not sure what you
                                                  mean about a unified
                                                  list...</span></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There
                                                  is a clear, and rather
                                                  easy, way to join the
                                                  IGC, and it is up to
                                                  to those in Bestbits
                                                  and not already in IGC
                                                  to take that route if
                                                  they want to.
                                                  Meanwhile we do
                                                  welcome all civil
                                                  society members
                                                  adhering to iGC's
                                                  charter (rather than
                                                  insisting for, unclear
                                                  and unstated reasons,
                                                  to modify it). </span></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">And
                                                  there is really no
                                                  merger involved here,
                                                  even if people loosely
                                                  use that language .</span></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
                                                  remain astonished
                                                  about the repeated
                                                  talk about a new IGC
                                                  charter, especially as
                                                  an already decided
                                                  thing! What exactly
                                                  are you talking about.
                                                </span></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">And
                                                  I am further pained
                                                  for you, being still
                                                  perhaps an IGC
                                                  co-coordinator, not at
                                                  all responding to my
                                                  clear email about how
                                                  this elist is the
                                                  primary work place for
                                                  the IGC, and also an
                                                  ex-coordinator's
                                                  assent tp the
                                                  sentiment.</span></p>
                                              <blockquote
                                                style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                                <pre> </pre>
                                                <pre>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps.</pre>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">You
                                                  can make whatever
                                                  calls and agree on
                                                  whatever steps you
                                                  have you may wish to
                                                  -- that is no part of
                                                  IGC's procedure, and
                                                  would have no meaning
                                                  or consequence for it.</span></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">regards</span></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">parminder
                                                </span></p>
                                              <p> </p>
                                              <blockquote
                                                style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                                <pre> </pre>
                                                <pre>Regards,</pre>
                                                <pre>Arsene</pre>
                                                <pre> </pre>
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                                                  <pre>While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have</pre>
                                                  <pre>agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to</pre>
                                                  <pre>take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been</pre>
                                                  <pre>agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely</pre>
                                                  <pre>will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.</pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join</pre>
                                                  <pre>and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree</pre>
                                                  <pre>next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c</pre>
                                                  <pre>August 5.</pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Best</pre>
                                                  <pre>Sheetal</pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a></pre>
                                                  <pre><a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><ian.peter@ianpeter.com></a></pre>
                                                  <pre>wrote:</pre>
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                                                    <pre>On a more substantive matter -</pre>
                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the</pre>
                                                    <pre>IGC</pre>
                                                    <pre>Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26</pre>
                                                    <pre>you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get</pre>
                                                    <pre>back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update?</pre>
                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>Ian Peter</pre>
                                                    <pre> </pre>
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                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>------ Original Message ------</pre>
                                                    <pre>From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a></pre>
                                                    <pre>To: "Parminder" <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><parminder@itforchange.net></a></pre>
                                                    <pre>Cc: "governance" <a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a></pre>
                                                    <pre>Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM</pre>
                                                    <pre>Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero</pre>
                                                    <pre>event and other subjects</pre>
                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>Agree with Parminder.</pre>
                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><parminder@itforchange.net></a></pre>
                                                    <pre>wrote:</pre>
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                                                      <pre>HI Bruna/ All</pre>
                                                      <pre> </pre>
                                                      <pre>Good morning to all!</pre>
                                                      <pre> </pre>
                                                      <pre>Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter.</pre>
                                                      <pre> </pre>
                                                      <pre>As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it...</pre>
                                                      <pre>Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please</pre>
                                                      <pre>ensure</pre>
                                                      <pre>that these do not clash. Thanks.</pre>
                                                      <pre> </pre>
                                                      <pre>While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be</pre>
                                                      <pre>done</pre>
                                                      <pre>among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main</pre>
                                                      <pre>and</pre>
                                                      <pre>authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request</pre>
                                                      <pre>everyone's attention to.</pre>
                                                      <pre> </pre>
                                                      <pre>thanks and best regards</pre>
                                                      <pre> </pre>
                                                      <pre>parminder</pre>
                                                      <pre>On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via </pre>
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