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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/07/19 9:34 AM, parminder wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">There is going to be no fancy 'leadership
group'</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">No one has mentioned its need,
justification, etc.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">I dont mind Arsene and Bruno to continue
till elections, and they should. <br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">Sala, you were the greatest proponent for
early even intimidate </font></p>
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<p><font face="Verdana">immediate </font><br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">elections. Now, you agree with Ian below
that no "immediate coco election" "seems to be he most
supported option"? Anyway...</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">If elections are due, they should take
place. <br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">If they are postponed, clear reasons may
be described and action be taken as per.... Charter amendment
is out from such a list of reasons... Website work is
independent and nothing to do with elections (although
remember IGC was never much about a great website, it needs to
first gets its 'substance' right which is nearly at about
'zero' right now, but new things are always welcome, pl go
ahead. But let not the website volunteer list become anything
else meanwhile).</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Are elections therefore being postponed
bec BB members (that are not already in the IGC) need to be
able to get to vote (although no one has really explained why
that such a tearing hurry to vote for what everyone agrees is
likely a pretty small number, but anyway)? Pl be clear and
specific in response -- both, the cocos, and those from BB who
know about this matter. election postponement is a big thing.
Thanks. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Let us clearly be told why elections are
being postponed... If the above BB issue, then we want clarity
on; is BB closure and folding into the IGC decided, when would
the non IGC members enrol in the IGC, any time lines etc for
that..</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">That alone is the clear issue in front of
us, related to coco elections. So please convey clarity to the
IGC membership asap on this matter, and I request cocos
special attention to this</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Thanks and regards</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">parminder</font></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/07/19 4:37 AM, "Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Ditto everything that Ian said.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:49
pm <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>, <<a
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
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<div>Well its good to see so many people who care about
the future of a credible voice for civil society in the
internet governance field, even if there are big
differences as regards how to revive things in this
space!</div>
<div><br>
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<div>If I may summarise:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should
be discussed down the track after a credible web
presence and leadership structure have been restored.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh
and Jeremy) regards website restoration. There is no
reason why this cannot take place now with a small group
reporting back here. (see separate topic)</div>
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</div>
<div>3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for
coco election now, others suggest a delay of a couple of
months until other matters are in place. I am not
convinced either way - do we have a membership list, for
instance, which is necessary for elections? If not,
there seems to be no choice but to delay. And if there
is one election now, there will also be another one in
less than six months when Bruna's term expires. So an
argument to do both together in a few months is
reasonable perhaps. I will be happy for whatever outcome
the call suggests for this, BUT::::::</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If there is not an immediate coco election, which
seems to be the most supported option, I believe it is
essential; we agree to an interim leadership group until
it is practical to hold such elections. Apart from
Bruna, capable names like Sheeta and Farzeneh have been
mentioned. Such an interim group is absolutely
necessary, I believe, if the group decides on the call
not to proceed immediately with coco elections.</div>
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<div>So I am happy whichever way the call determines on
this one: but I am not happy for there to be no action
at all to resolve this issue. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Ian Peter</div>
<div> -</div>
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<div>------ Original Message ------</div>
<div>From: "Sheetal Kumar" <<a
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<div>To: "parminder" <<a
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<div>Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" <<a
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rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>>;
"Nnenna Nwakanma" <<a
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<div>Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging
Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects</div>
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<div>Dear Parminder, all, <br>
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<div>As you and others have pointed out, the
conversation about closing Bestbits and requesting
any members there who are not already on IGC to
join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing
for months. The information has been continually
shared on both this list/among this community and
on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done
more to reach out to key people and communicated
things more clearly perhaps. That's something I've
learned. We did try but we can always do more to
communicate better. <br>
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<div><br>
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<div>There are just a few things which Parminder
you've asked clarity on, and what follows is my
reading of things as someone who has been part of
the relevant discussions from the beginning so I
do hope I'm not misrepresenting anything. As
Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's worth
identifying what we agree on and then work through
what we disagree on.<br>
</div>
<div>
<p><i> If there is anything more? If so, everyone
involved, please state it out here,
explicitly, on the IGC's primary working
space. Why are we going in so many circles
about it?</i></p>
<p><i> </i></p>
<p><i>What process is being disregarded, the one
about which yesterday Arsene reported that it
was decided that elections will be held after
(1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have
been asking what is this, who triggered this
demand, with what objectives, what
justifications, and so on, and people simply
refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a
combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one
has to individually take its membership with
an explicit individual-based process, there is
no merging or combining lists here) .</i></p>
<p>All that has been discussed, on both IGC and
Bestbits lists, including by active,
long-standing and even founding members of both,
has been how to reinvigorate civil society
coordination. It was agreed by those taking part
in these discussions which have been open to
everyone from the start (there is a whole
archive of the discussions that have been
continually shared on here and on Bestbits,
including <a
href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">in the etherpad here</a>),
that the existence of both Bestbits and IGC
wasn't helping so Bestbits should close. As we
are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in
my opinion), this could not simply be a matter
of closing the list and telling everyone to move
off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already
members. As I mentioned before, Bestbits was
more than a list too. Instead, we had
conversations about it, that lasted months. Some
people even wanted to create a new group. We
decided not to. Among some suggestions that came
out of these conversations was the opportunity
to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC members
were part of this discussion, nothing, and I
repeat, nothing was decided or agreed in that
regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to
happen. Any such process would have to respect
the IGC charter and involve all members. Of
course. Anything that has been shared which says
otherwise are simply unfortunate
misunderstandings, and we should move on. There
are no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire
to rip apart the Charter. Respect for process is
key. There is no self-appointed leadership from
what I can see, just people trying to steer
things towards more unity and less fracture. <br>
</p>
<p><i> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of
membership to vote.. No one really is
insisting that we hold elections like today .
But this certainly cannot be the reason for a
process that you / Sheetal are saying has been
on for more than 6 months now. That would be
so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue
of eligibility for voting stopping the
process, but why labour it over 7 months when
it needs just 2 months cooling period? --
Although it does make me wonder, and I repeat,
why such a strong focus on the coordinator
election!! IGC is much more than that... Why
such insistence!!? What does one read into it.
<br>
</i></p>
<p>It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took
ages for those in the discussions which have
been open to everyone since the beginning to
decide to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a
lack of civil society coordination. There were
other proposals like I said, including setting
up a new group. So here we are. 7 months later,
with agreement to close Bestbits and not create
a new list or do something else. IGC is more
than a list, sure, but because leadership is I
guess key to reinvigorating things, elections
are seen as a way to start.<br>
</p>
<p>Also, others have asked 'how many people are on
Bestbits' that are not on IGC? Honestly, I don't
know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is
that even if one or two of those people join and
have the energy and commitment to run for
elections and coordinate going forward, we
should wait for them to join. Do we have much to
lose? David and Jeanette have pointed out that
we could wait for an indefinite period of time
and it would just be a for a handful of people
to join. That is true, so we could undertake an
exercise comparing who is not on both lists and
reach out to them directly. Alternatively, we
are planning to have a call in w/c August 05 (I
will send the details soon) and we can
collectively set a date then for the closure of
Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to
join. And then we'll be all having this
conversation on this list, including new
members. Once new BB members have joined (even
if its just 2-3 people) we can then decide
whether to hold elections right away or wait 2
months. Maybe everyone will want to just hold
elections right away, including the handful of
new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait.
Also, we can discuss the day 0 event together.
If we don't do the closure properly then we risk
relevant and interested people losing out on the
opportunity to discuss these things. <br>
</p>
<p>So, can we agree that we set a date and time by
which members of Bestbits who are not members of
IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and have
a conversation about when to hold elections etc
etc?<br>
</p>
<p>Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00
in Room X. </p>
<p>Best</p>
<p>Sheetal<br>
</p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 18 Jul
2019 at 09:35, parminder <<a
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class="m_6990595258997513335gmail-m_-1839724901850448854moz-cite-prefix">On
17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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class="m_6990595258997513335cite"> What
Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion.
We are in fact trying to merge BB and IGC. </blockquote>
<p>Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC
point of view, there is no merging
happening... Some new people want to join IGC,
and if conditions are fulfilled they are
indeed welcome.</p>
<p> If there is anything more? If so, everyone
involved, please state it out here,
explicitly, on the IGC's primary working
space. Why are we going in so many circles
about it?</p>
<p>Lately, two specific, and what I consider
minor, issues have been stated. <br>
</p>
<p>1. Can enough time be given to elections so
that the new members can go through their 2
month cooling period.... I said that can be
done, and there has been no major opposition
to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I
really do not understand why this hurry and
absolute insistence on voting right away .
That should not be such a big thing. Cooling
periods are there for a reason. People who
havent ever been on the IGC need to observe,
see and know and mingle before insisting on
some absolute rights to vote for their choice
of coordinator. So, why, really this
insistence ? What is the plan? But anyway, I
really said I am fine either way.)<br>
</p>
<p>2. What to do with BB's web archives, and
again there is not much problem with it.
Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can
put them somewhere on it, no problem.</p>
<p>What else? Is there anything more? Why dont
people tell us clearly, rather than going in
circles and creating so much confusion. <br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
class="m_6990595258997513335cite">We are
trying to create a more unified civil society
presence. We don’t do that by throwing up
procedural walls around this group.</blockquote>
<p>Can you be explicit? what procedural walls
are blocking BB people -- other than those who
already are there-- from joining IGC, ?<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
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class="m_6990595258997513335cite"> Face facts,
IGC needs the people from BB just as much as
they need us. It is destructive, as Sheetal
says, to disregard the process we have been
going through to bring things back together. </blockquote>
<p>What process is being disregarded, the one
about which yesterday Arsene reported that it
was decided that elections will be held after
(1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have
been asking what is this, who triggered this
demand, with what objectives, what
justifications, and so on, and people simply
refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a
combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one
has to individually take its membership with
an explicit individual-based process, there is
no merging or combining lists here) .</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
class="m_6990595258997513335cite"> I hope I
don’t need to remind people why a significant
chunk of civil society broke off from IGC to
begin with - but it looks like certain actors
are doing the reminding for me. </blockquote>
<p>Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards
a confrontational abyss, please do remind us.
(Btw, I was among the founding members of BB,
and I remember you werent around that much in
those discussions). In fact any coming back
of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so
--should perhaps be helped by visiting the
original conditions of why they went away and
so on... We are capable of an adult
conversation here, and should not be afraid.
Important public facts are always good to know
and discuss. And then one may also discuss
what happened with BB, whether they were able
to achieve the objectives they set themselves
for, if not, why, and what are the reasons of
BB's dissolution and coming back to an IGC,
which admittedly is far weaker and lost now
than when they left it. <br>
</p>
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<div>It is exclusionary to hold elections
now, before the newcomers can vote. Can
someone tell me what positive goal is
achieved by doing that? Can someone tell
me what is lost if we don’t hold
elections? </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Any newcomer needs just 2 months of
membership to vote.. No one really is
insisting that we hold elections like today .
But this certainly cannot be the reason for a
process that you / Sheetal are saying has been
on for more than 6 months now. That would be
so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue
of eligibility for voting stopping the
process, but why labour it over 7 months when
it needs just 2 months cooling period? --
Although it does make me wonder, and I repeat,
why such a strong focus on the coordinator
election!! IGC is much more than that... Why
such insistence!!? What does one read into it.
<br>
</p>
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<div>
<div>Do some people like for IGC to be a
small and hostile place where they can be
a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. <br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>(Just to match) Or are some people planning
to make IGC their private pond. I hope not. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>parminder <br>
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<div
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dir="ltr">Milton L Mueller
<div>Professor, School of Public Policy</div>
<div>Georgia Institute of Technology</div>
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On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar
<<a
href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear all, <br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree that it is easy to join
IGC if you sign up to the Charter.
It's indeed pretty
straightforward. However, what I
don't understand is the disregard
for a process that has been
ongoing for months, about a large
and until recently active splinter
group of IGC (namely, Bestbits)
which has since agreed to close
and its members who are not
already part of IGC 'join IGC'.
Bestbits was not just a mailing
list, it had an active membership,
it had a functioning website, it
had a steering group, it used to
coordinate, and more. It also had
its own membership of the CSCG and
used to convene an event before
the global IGF. And now it is
closing. Who knows how many people
who have been part of that
discussion or at least following
on Bestbits who are not on IGC
would like to be part of the IGC
elections? Whether its semantic or
not to call it a 'merger', the
point remains that this has been a
discussion for a few months that
should, IMHO, have an impact on
when to hold the IGC elections.
They don't have to, but I think it
makes sense for them to
considering the history of IGC and
Bestbits (as a splinter group of
IGC). Also, I'm not saying this
because I want to run for any
elections necessarily, I've only
ever been interested a discussion
towards a more impactful and
coordinated civil society in this
space. It just seems to make sense
not to disregard that Bestbits
discussion and to take decisions
with the Bestbits discussion in
mind (again, because of the
history of the connection between
Bestbits and IGC).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I've looked at the IGC Charter
and it says "Voting process: Each
person who is subscribed to the
list at least two (2) months
before the election will be given
a voter account". <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So, even if Bestbits members
who are not part of IGC joined
then they couldn't vote right
away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3
months? If there is a time
sensitive reason not to, that
would be good to discuss.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For clarity, revising the IGC
charter was only ever an idea, its
not been agreed to anywhere by
anyone. It's just something to
discuss, further down the line.
Perhaps.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best</div>
<div>Sheetal<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna
Nwakanma <<a
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target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I think we can pull off an
IGC elections by Berlin IGF.<br>
</div>
Joining the IGC from BB should
not be "a process".<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Once an individual decides
that it is worth it.. it only
takes a click to accept the
charter and be added to the
mailing list.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>My 2 cents</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nnenna<br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul
17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Much
to my surprise I agree
with Parminder. If
Bestbits is to be
wound up, so be it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>After
which, those from
Bestbits who wish to
caucus in the IGC
please subscribe to
the list and do so.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday,
17 July 2019 at 4:50
pm<br>
<b>To: </b>Arsène
Tungali <<a
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<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[governance] Reviving
IGC: Merging Bestbits
in, IGF Day zero event
and other subjects</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène
Tungali wrote:<br>
<br>
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<pre>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last</pre>
<pre>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co</pre>
<pre>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter</pre>
<pre>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was</pre>
<pre>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are.</pre>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Arsene</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
am not sure what you
mean about a unified
list...</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There
is a clear, and rather
easy, way to join the
IGC, and it is up to
to those in Bestbits
and not already in IGC
to take that route if
they want to.
Meanwhile we do
welcome all civil
society members
adhering to iGC's
charter (rather than
insisting for, unclear
and unstated reasons,
to modify it). </span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">And
there is really no
merger involved here,
even if people loosely
use that language .</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
remain astonished
about the repeated
talk about a new IGC
charter, especially as
an already decided
thing! What exactly
are you talking about.
</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">And
I am further pained
for you, being still
perhaps an IGC
co-coordinator, not at
all responding to my
clear email about how
this elist is the
primary work place for
the IGC, and also an
ex-coordinator's
assent tp the
sentiment.</span></p>
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style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre> </pre>
<pre>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps.</pre>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">You
can make whatever
calls and agree on
whatever steps you
have you may wish to
-- that is no part of
IGC's procedure, and
would have no meaning
or consequence for it.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">regards</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">parminder
</span></p>
<p> </p>
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<pre> </pre>
<pre>Regards,</pre>
<pre>Arsene</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a>:</pre>
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<pre>Dear all,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have</pre>
<pre>agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to</pre>
<pre>take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been</pre>
<pre>agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely</pre>
<pre>will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join</pre>
<pre>and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree</pre>
<pre>next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c</pre>
<pre>August 5.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Best</pre>
<pre>Sheetal</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a></pre>
<pre><a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><ian.peter@ianpeter.com></a></pre>
<pre>wrote:</pre>
<pre> </pre>
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<pre>Bruna,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>On a more substantive matter -</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the</pre>
<pre>IGC</pre>
<pre>Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26</pre>
<pre>you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get</pre>
<pre>back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update?</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Ian Peter</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>------ Original Message ------</pre>
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<pre>To: "Parminder" <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><parminder@itforchange.net></a></pre>
<pre>Cc: "governance" <a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a></pre>
<pre>Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM</pre>
<pre>Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero</pre>
<pre>event and other subjects</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Agree with Parminder.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><parminder@itforchange.net></a></pre>
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<pre>HI Bruna/ All</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Good morning to all!</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it...</pre>
<pre>Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please</pre>
<pre>ensure</pre>
<pre>that these do not clash. Thanks.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be</pre>
<pre>done</pre>
<pre>among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main</pre>
<pre>and</pre>
<pre>authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request</pre>
<pre>everyone's attention to.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>thanks and best regards</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>parminder</pre>
<pre>On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via </pre>
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