<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">We could wait an indefinite period of time, for folks to join … which could go on indefinitely. Pretty clearly, the question is whether there are a material number who haven’t yet decided. As noted, the logic suggests likely not. That would suggest that it is time to set a time and proceed.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unless there is clear evidence otherwise.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 17, 2019, at 1:39 PM, farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List) <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> if Arsene wants to propose that we delay the elections until Bestbits members join us, then we can discuss that proposal. No decision has been made. There seems to be some objection to it on this list. I also don't know why it should happen. So lets discuss it and discard it if we don't agree. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The IGC recorded online meetings are held to facilitate the discussion and receive more feedback. Because frankly having people concentrate for 90 minutes on issues can bring us to a more timely conclusion. We always send the notes to the mailing list and no final decision is taken. I don't think the charter prohibits us from holding meetings as long as we discuss the issues here on the mailing list as well and make the final decisions here.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" class="">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:26 PM parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">Again</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">I just read one clear issue below -- what to
do with BB material.</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">Clear issues, can submit to clear discussion
and outcome.</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">I am very fine that it is archived on a BB
history page within IGC website. Others can tell their views,
and it can be closed, i expect, rather quickly. <br class="">
</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">Can we therefore just stick to clear issues
that really need and are </font><font face="Verdana" class="">are </font><font face="Verdana" class="">up for resolution. And do it here, on the IGC
list.</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">parminder <br class="">
</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class=""></font><br class="">
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<div class="gmail-m_6221527063855316467moz-cite-prefix">On 17/07/19 10:45 PM, farzaneh badii
wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi everybody,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class="">
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">so from what I am
hearing on this list these are the points that have been
raised:</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">1. All the discussions
should happen on this mailing list. ( just to remind you that
they have been indeed taking place on the mailing list. Those
who turned up for the meetings didn't make decisions. Bruna
reverted to the list and informed the group about action items
to be discussed. the discussions have not been undertaken in a
small group, they took place on this mailing list and we
shared the recorded meetings on the list as well).</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">2. Charter review:No
one has decided single-handedly to review the charter. as
Ian, Sala, and others rightly pointed out, we should discuss
reviewing the IGC charter and measure whether the consensus
over the need to revise it and what should be revised. Nothing
has been decided yet. Revising the charter has to follow IGC
charter amendment procedure which is in the charter. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">3. There seems to be
some disagreement as to when and how we should do IGC
elections. Some don't want an interim group, some don't want
an election yet and some want an election to happen ASAP. Lets
discuss this collegially. I can create a new thread to discuss
the elections. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">4. As to BestBits
closure, it is true that it was Bestbits decision. However,
now that the closure is being finalized on BestBits, there
were some concerns about how to safeguard that past couple of
years materials and valuable documents that have been posted
on Bestbits website. One way would be to bring those materials
to IGC website under a Bestbits history page. This needs to be
discussed with IGC members. Another would be to archive the
website and keep it. But Jeremy does not (rightly so) want to
keep administering Bestbits website and no one else is
volunteering. If someone from Bestbits wants to volunteer to
preserve the documents/website etc, then I believe we don't
have to discuss it at IGC. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class="">
</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I hope this is helpful.
I think our frank discussions are good but let's also be
mindful of the issues we have been facing in getting our act
together and help each other to fix them. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">
<div class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" class="">Farzaneh </font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:55
PM parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class=""> </font><font face="Verdana" class="">Bruno
and</font><font face="Verdana" class=""> Arsene</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">I am sorry, I want to be most
respectful, engaged etc, but one can say something only
that many times, and we all have limited time.</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">A coordinator is before all the
custodian and implementer of the constitutional document
of the concerned group/ community, here the IGc
charter...</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">I have now many times pointed to the
fact, supported by others, that the IGC charter is
unequivocal that this<b class=""> elist is the primary workplace
of the IGC</b>... But you simply do not respond to
that point , for whatever reason. (Nor to others --
admittedly less important points, like a request to know
when is the planned day zero meeting and asking to
ensure there is no overlap with JNC meeting in the
afternoon of that day)<br class="">
</font></p><p class="">Now, it seems that some discussion is happening for many
months about review of IGC charter.. No one really know
why, how, or such about this. Not one word, justification,
etc have ever been advanced on this list, much less put
that to discussion, on what the charter says as the
primary workplace of the IGC.</p><p class="">Who is proposing such amendment, and why? What are the
triggers, reasons, justifications......!!???? Is this too
much to ask...</p><p class="">I have not followed this discussion of this small group,
which shows up off and on, but always remains very unclear
about what exactly is happening. But in between I read
somewhere, someone talking about amending the charter, and
another saying the charter may be saying this, the
original person pressing for the amendment saying, ok, but
where is the charter, I havent seen it !!!???? People want
to amend the charter without having seen it... What is
happening here. <br class="">
</p><p class="">I do not want to bring up issues about how submissions
have been made on the behalf of IGC, without following any
kind of due procedure, and when the charter is absolutely
clear as well as insistent about the due process, and so
on, many things....</p><p class="">I was trying to stay off, but this is becoming a real
mess, sorry...</p><p class="">Best regards</p><p class="">parminder <br class="">
</p><p class=""><br class="">
</p>
<div class="gmail-m_6221527063855316467gmail-m_7883554803504493907moz-cite-prefix">On
17/07/19 7:39 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance
Mailing List) wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div dir="ltr" class="">Dear all,
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Can we agree on the proposed agenda for the
upcoming call ? <br class="">
<br class="">
<b class="">CS Meeting Agenda </b></div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">1. Onboarding new IGC Members (Bestbits members who
are opting into IGC)</div>
<div class="">2. Charter review discussion</div>
<div class="">3. IGC New Website </div>
<div class="">4. IGC Co-Coordinator Elections </div>
<div class="">5. IGF 2019 Day Zero event </div>
<div class="">6. AOB</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Is there any other subject our members wish to add
? <br class="">
<br class="">
Best, </div>
<div class="">Bruna Santos </div>
</div>
<br class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 17 juil. 2019
à 10:32, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>
a écrit :<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto" class="">I forgot to add failing to deliver the
website on time.</div>
<br class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 17 Jul
2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div class="">Response is inline;<br class="">
<br class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 17
Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It is
noted that you don't want to apologize and
it is your right.<br class="">
This is noted.<br class="">
<br class="">
And you don't have to call people
"incompetent" with no<br class="">
details/explanation to substantiate your
claim. On what basis are you<br class="">
calling coordinators incompetent?<br class="">
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">1)Pending elections and not
calling for nominees from November last year
for January's elections.</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">2)Not driving a call for
strategic engagement and waiting for the wind
to blow the IGC in any direction. I will use
Milton's term for "rudderless".</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">I will underscore that the
criticism is on the inaction and not of people
personally. This is not a personal attack but
addressing a key leadership issue.</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br class="">
It is okay to say now that Arsene is term
ended since January because<br class="">
there are activities on the list, but it
was obvious that no one was<br class="">
interested in elections at some point. </blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">Again, this is rubbish. A call
for elections is void of people's lack of
interest. There was no call put out last
November, 2018.</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">And you
should thank those who<br class="">
have helped revive the discussion because
those here who recall the<br class="">
history, we have gone through a lot of
issues and if elections were<br class="">
called at that time, close to no one would
have nominated themselves<br class="">
for that.<br class="">
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">The IGC was never dead. Its
members are movers and shakers globally, it is
the leadership that needs revival.</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br class="">
Only God knows how many times I called for
help here when everything<br class="">
was almost dying, I think at some point
this community will have to<br class="">
thank me for my service :) </blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">Again hogwash. You were always
putting emails notifying of MAG activities not
engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you
for your service, you do us all a tremendous
disservice when you do not take responsibility
for not calling elections. This is not
acceptable. Leaders must be able to take
responsibility.</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">But
this is not the point here as I don't<br class="">
always seek for praises whenever I am
doing some work. I am thankful<br class="">
to Bruna for her support since the day she
joined and everyone else<br class="">
who provided help.<br class="">
<br class="">
The future looks great now, let's work to
make things happen!</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">The future is always great! Yes
we should work together but it also means
having Frank and open and honest conversations
so we can move forward.</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> I look<br class="">
forward to having BestBits members join
and be allowed time to have<br class="">
voting rights, as per the charter.<br class="">
<br class="">
Please digest what Parminder raised on
this matter and scores more.<br class="">
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Regards,<br class="">
Arsene<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro<br class="">
<<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>:<br class="">
> I will not apologise for the
incompetence shown by the coordinators.<br class="">
> The Charter clearly states that
revisions made can only be voted on by<br class="">
> those that participate in last held
elections.<br class="">
> Arsene no longer is coordinator and
this term ended last January by virtue<br class="">
> of Charter.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Get on with the elections!<br class="">
><br class="">
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am
Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <<br class="">
> <a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
>> What a load of rubbish!<br class="">
>> The elections need to take place
asap.<br class="">
>> The preparations for the IGF can
continue simultaneously.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Get it together!<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am
Sheetal Kumar, <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><br class="">
>> wrote:<br class="">
>><br class="">
>>> Dear all,<br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>> I'm happy to be part of a
leadership or steering group, if everyone
is<br class="">
>>> ok<br class="">
>>> with that. Apart from Bruna,
I would also suggest that Farzaneh is<br class="">
>>> involved<br class="">
>>> in such a group if she can
be.<br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>> And thank you Arsene for your
help and efforts so far, much appreciated.<br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>> Best<br class="">
>>> Sheetal.<br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29,
Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
>>> wrote:<br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>>> Thanks for sharing that,
Ian.<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> I really don't see a
point of having elections now in the
middle of an<br class="">
>>>> important process that we
all look forward to. I think we should aim<br class="">
>>>> at concluding this by the
end of the year, at the latest so that<br class="">
>>>> January 2020, we have
everything in place? IGF is in November,
we<br class="">
>>>> should be sufficiently
advanced by then because that's the only
big<br class="">
>>>> physical gathering for
most of us here for the year and then
comes<br class="">
>>>> holidays in December. All
major discussions (and decisions?) should
be<br class="">
>>>> taken by Berlin?<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> If the list is happy, I
am stepping down (i know I should have
done<br class="">
>>>> this long time ago but if
you have been following, I have only been<br class="">
>>>> doing my best to help out
here) and will no longer take an official<br class="">
>>>> position here. I remain a
member and will leave it to Bruna who is<br class="">
>>>> still a legitimate
Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who
has been<br class="">
>>>> leading this process
(merger, etc). Can we trust at least the
two<br class="">
>>>> individuals to lead us to
a new IGC in the next few months?<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> This said, from now on, I
will be acting as a member so please<br class="">
>>>> consider my emails not as
a Co-coordinator but a member.<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> I hope this helps.<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> Regards,<br class="">
>>>> Arsene<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> 2019-07-17 12:18
UTC+02:00, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>
<<br class="">
>>>> <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>:<br class="">
>>>> > Thanks for that
update Arsene.<br class="">
>>>> ><br class="">
>>>> > If you are adopting
a new charter as well as everything else
you<br class="">
>>>> > mention, it looks to
me like a long drawn out process which
will go<br class="">
>>>> well<br class="">
>>>> > into 2020. That may
well be the best path forward, but I think
in the<br class="">
>>>> > circumstances it
would be appropriate for this list to
endorse a<br class="">
>>>> > leadership group who
will guide this process forward. I would
like to<br class="">
>>>> > feel that a step has
been taken to ensure the list is happy
with the<br class="">
>>>> > directions being
discussed and agreeable to a leadership
group taking<br class="">
>>>> it<br class="">
>>>> > forward.<br class="">
>>>> ><br class="">
>>>> > That would add a lot
of credibiity IMHO.<br class="">
>>>> ><br class="">
>>>> > I won't be joining
the call, but I think it is very important
that it<br class="">
>>>> > reports back to
here, as Parminder and others have
mentioned, and<br class="">
>>>> > that<br class="">
>>>> > steps forward are
discussed here on list and endorsed.<br class="">
>>>> ><br class="">
>>>> > Ian Peter<br class="">
>>>> > ------ Original
Message ------<br class="">
>>>> > From: "Arsène
Tungali" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><br class="">
>>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar"
<<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><br class="">
>>>> > Cc: "<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>"
<<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>;
"Salanieta T.<br class="">
>>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro"
<<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>;
"Parminder"<br class="">
>>>> > <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>;
"governance"<br class="">
>>>> > <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a><br class="">
>>>> ><br class="">
>>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019
7:55:02 PM<br class="">
>>>> > Subject: Re:
[governance] Reviving IGC: Merging
Bestbits in, IGF Day<br class="">
>>>> > zero event and other
subjects<br class="">
>>>> ><br class="">
>>>> >>Good point,
Sheetal and I agree with you.<br class="">
>>>> >><br class="">
>>>> >>I had briefly
discussed the election issue with Bruna
during the last<br class="">
>>>> >>ICANN meeting and
we agreed that the best time to conduct
co-co<br class="">
>>>> >>elections is
right after the merger step is completed,
the new<br class="">
>>>> >> charter<br class="">
>>>> >>has been adopted
and we have a unified list. I am sure
Bruna was<br class="">
>>>> >>planning to
report this to the list at some point, but
here you are.<br class="">
>>>> >><br class="">
>>>> >>I would suggest
we all plan to attend the call and agree
on next<br class="">
>>>> >> steps.<br class="">
>>>> >><br class="">
>>>> >>Regards,<br class="">
>>>> >>Arsene<br class="">
>>>> >><br class="">
>>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44
UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>>:<br class="">
>>>> >>> Dear all,<br class="">
>>>> >>><br class="">
>>>> >>> While the
closure of Bestbits is an internal matter
for Bestbits,<br class="">
>>>> >>> we<br class="">
>>>> >>> have<br class="">
>>>> >>> agreed for
it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC
conversations<br class="">
>>>> need to<br class="">
>>>> >>> take that
into account. We're at that point where
the closure has<br class="">
>>>> been<br class="">
>>>> >>> agreed but
there are still people on Bestbits who are
not on IGC<br class="">
>>>> >>> but<br class="">
>>>> >>> likely<br class="">
>>>> >>> will sign
up to be part of the discussions soon.<br class="">
>>>> >>><br class="">
>>>> >>> As such,
shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits
who want to<br class="">
>>>> >>> join<br class="">
>>>> to<br class="">
>>>> >>> join<br class="">
>>>> >>> and we can
then get the IGC coordinator elections
going? The call<br class="">
>>>> >>> to<br class="">
>>>> >>> agree<br class="">
>>>> >>> next steps
and make sure everyone is on the same page
is going to<br class="">
>>>> >>> be<br class="">
>>>> >>> w/c<br class="">
>>>> >>> August 5.<br class="">
>>>> >>><br class="">
>>>> >>> Best<br class="">
>>>> >>> Sheetal<br class="">
>>>> >>><br class="">
>>>> >>> On Wed, 17
Jul 2019 at 06:29, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a><br class="">
>>>> >>> <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>><br class="">
>>>> >>> wrote:<br class="">
>>>> >>><br class="">
>>>> >>>> Bruna,<br class="">
>>>> >>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>> On a
more substantive matter -<br class="">
>>>> >>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>> Can you
also advise us on how progress is going as
regards<br class="">
>>>> >>>> getting<br class="">
>>>> the<br class="">
>>>> >>>> IGC<br class="">
>>>> >>>>
Coordinator elections (which were due last
January) underway? On<br class="">
>>>> June<br class="">
>>>> >>>> 26<br class="">
>>>> >>>> you
advised the list that you. would be
talking to Arsene and<br class="">
>>>> >>>> would<br class="">
>>>> >>>> get<br class="">
>>>> >>>> back to
the list ASAP. Do you have an update?<br class="">
>>>> >>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>> Ian
Peter<br class="">
>>>> >>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>> ------
Original Message ------<br class="">
>>>> >>>> From:
"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"<br class="">
>>>> >>>> <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a><br class="">
>>>> ><br class="">
>>>> >>>> To:
"Parminder" <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br class="">
>>>> >>>> Cc:
"governance" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><br class="">
>>>> >>>> Sent:
17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM<br class="">
>>>> >>>>
Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC:
Merging Bestbits in, IGF<br class="">
>>>> Day<br class="">
>>>> >>>> zero<br class="">
>>>> >>>> event
and other subjects<br class="">
>>>> >>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>> Agree
with Parminder.<br class="">
>>>> >>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>> On Wed,
17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder,<br class="">
>>>> >>>> <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a><br class="">
>>>> ><br class="">
>>>> >>>> wrote:<br class="">
>>>> >>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>> HI
Bruna/ All<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
Good morning to all!<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their
internal matter.<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>> As
for a day zero event at the IGF for the
IGC, when do you plan<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
it...<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch
on day zero, and<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
please<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
ensure<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
that these do not clash. Thanks.<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
While as a secondary or adjunct method
call based discussions<br class="">
>>>> >>>>> can<br class="">
>>>> be<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
done<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
among however wishes to do so, the charter
clearly says that the<br class="">
>>>> main<br class="">
>>>> >>>>> and<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
authoritative space of IGC's work will be
this e-list, which I<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
request<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
everyone's attention to.<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
thanks and best regards<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
parminder<br class="">
>>>> >>>>> On
17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
(via governance<br class="">
>>>> Mailing<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
List) wrote:<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
Dear IGC members,<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>> As
some of you might be aware, there has been
some discussions<br class="">
>>>> around<br class="">
>>>> >>>>> the<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
merger of BestBits and IGC going on for
the past months.<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
Back in Tunis, @RightsCon <<a href="mailto:rightscon@accessnow.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rightscon@accessnow.org</a>>,
some of us<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
convened<br class="">
>>>> >>>>> to
discuss further steps for Civil Society
Coordination and that<br class="">
>>>> also<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
entailed the merger debate. The summary of
the discussion, as<br class="">
>>>> well as<br class="">
>>>> >>>>> the<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
decision on closing BestBits can all be
found at the BestBits<br class="">
>>>> >>>>> list<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
<<a href="http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html</a>>.<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
Past this moment, theres a need to arrange
a call to discuss our<br class="">
>>>> next<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
steps, including a Day Zero Event at the
IGF, later in November.<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
Another<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
agenda items are also reviving the IGC
website, IGC<br class="">
>>>> co-coordinators<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
elections and our charter. Additionally to
IGC related subjects,<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
there<br class="">
>>>> >>>>> is<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
also the need to discuss a proper closure
for BestBits, as well<br class="">
>>>> >>>>> as<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
proper<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
outreach in a transparent way and the
possibility for members to<br class="">
>>>> join<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
IGC.<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>> For
this reason, @Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>>
created<br class="">
>>>> this<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
doodle for all interested members to
indicate their availability<br class="">
>>>> for<br class="">
>>>> >>>>> the<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
call: <a href="https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26</a><br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
<<a href="https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26</a>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
Best Regards,<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>> --<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
*Bruna Martins dos Santos *<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos<br class="">
>>>> >>>>>
@boomartins<br class="">
>>>> >>>>><br class="">
>>>> >>>>> ---<br class="">
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>>>> >>> --<br class="">
>>>> >>><br class="">
>>>> >>><br class="">
>>>> >>> *Sheetal
Kumar*<br class="">
>>>> >>> Programme
Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL<br class="">
>>>> >>> Second
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>>>> >>> T: +44
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>>>> >>--<br class="">
>>>>
>>------------------------<br class="">
>>>> >>**Arsène Tungali*
<<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://about.me/ArseneTungali</a>>*<br class="">
>>>> >>Co-Founder &
Executive Director, *Rudi international<br class="">
>>>> >><<a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.rudiinternational.org</a>>*,<br class="">
>>>> >>CEO,* Smart
Services Sarl <<a href="https://www.smart-kitoko.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.smart-kitoko.com/</a>>*,<br class="">
>>>> >>Tel: +243
993810967 (DRC)<br class="">
>>>> >>GPG: 523644A0<br class="">
>>>> >><br class="">
>>>> >>2015 Mandela
Washington Fellow<br class="">
>>>> >><<br class="">
>>>> >><br class="">
>>>> <a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html</a><br class="">
>>>> ><br class="">
>>>> >><br class="">
>>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN
GNSO Council Member<br class="">
>>>> >><<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm</a>>
Member. UN IGF MAG<br class="">
>>>> >><<a href="https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm</a>>
Member<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> --<br class="">
>>>> ------------------------<br class="">
>>>> **Arsène Tungali* <<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://about.me/ArseneTungali</a>>*<br class="">
>>>> Co-Founder &
Executive Director, *Rudi international<br class="">
>>>> <<a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.rudiinternational.org</a>>*,<br class="">
>>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl
<<a href="https://www.smart-kitoko.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.smart-kitoko.com/</a>>*,<br class="">
>>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)<br class="">
>>>> GPG: 523644A0<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> 2015 Mandela Washington
Fellow<br class="">
>>>> <<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> <a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html</a><br class="">
>>>> ><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO
Council Member<br class="">
>>>> <<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm</a>>
Member. UN IGF MAG<br class="">
>>>> <<a href="https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm</a>>
Member<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>> --<br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*<br class="">
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL
PARTNERS DIGITAL<br class="">
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
Street, London, E1 5JL<br class="">
>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M:
+44 (0)7739569514 |<br class="">
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PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603<br class="">
>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|<br class="">
>>><br class="">
>>><br class="">
><br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
-- <br class="">
------------------------<br class="">
**Arsène Tungali* <<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://about.me/ArseneTungali</a>>*<br class="">
Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi
international<br class="">
<<a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.rudiinternational.org</a>>*,<br class="">
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <<a href="https://www.smart-kitoko.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.smart-kitoko.com/</a>>*,<br class="">
Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)<br class="">
GPG: 523644A0<br class="">
<br class="">
2015 Mandela Washington Fellow<br class="">
<<br class="">
<a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html</a>><br class="">
<br class="">
(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member<br class="">
<<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm</a>>
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<<a href="https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm</a>>
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