<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">We could wait an indefinite period of time, for folks to join … which could go on indefinitely.  Pretty clearly, the question is whether there are a material number who haven’t yet decided.  As noted, the logic suggests likely not.  That would suggest that it is time to set a time and proceed.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unless there is clear evidence otherwise.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 17, 2019, at 1:39 PM, farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List) <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> if Arsene wants to propose that we delay the elections until Bestbits members join us, then we can discuss that proposal. No decision has been made. There seems to be some objection to it on this list.  I also don't know why it should happen. So lets discuss it and discard it if we don't agree. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The IGC recorded online meetings are held to facilitate the discussion and receive more feedback. Because frankly having people concentrate for 90 minutes on issues can bring us to a more timely conclusion. We always send the notes to the mailing list and no final decision is taken. I don't think the charter prohibits us from holding meetings as long as we discuss the issues here on the mailing list as well and make the final decisions here.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" class="">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:26 PM parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">Again</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">I just read one clear issue below -- what to
        do with BB material.</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">Clear issues, can submit to clear discussion
        and outcome.</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">I am very fine that it is archived on a BB
        history page within IGC website. Others can tell their views,
        and it can be closed, i expect, rather quickly. <br class="">
      </font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">Can we therefore just stick to clear issues
        that really need and are </font><font face="Verdana" class="">are </font><font face="Verdana" class="">up for resolution. And do it here, on the IGC
        list.</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">parminder <br class="">
      </font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class=""></font><br class="">
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    <div class="gmail-m_6221527063855316467moz-cite-prefix">On 17/07/19 10:45 PM, farzaneh badii
      wrote:<br class="">
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi everybody,</div>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">so from what I am
          hearing on this list these are the points that have been
          raised:</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">1. All the discussions
          should happen on this mailing list. ( just to remind you that
          they have been indeed taking place on the mailing list. Those
          who turned up for  the meetings  didn't make decisions. Bruna
          reverted to the list and informed the group about action items
          to be discussed. the discussions have not been undertaken in a
          small group, they took place on this mailing list and we
          shared the recorded meetings on the list as well).</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">2. Charter review:No
          one has decided single-handedly to review the charter.  as
          Ian, Sala, and others rightly pointed out, we should discuss
          reviewing the IGC charter and measure whether the consensus
          over the need to revise it and what should be revised. Nothing
          has been decided yet. Revising the charter has to follow IGC
          charter amendment procedure which is in the charter. </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">3. There seems to be
          some disagreement as to when and how we should do IGC
          elections. Some don't want an interim group, some don't want
          an election yet and some want an election to happen ASAP. Lets
          discuss this collegially. I can create a new thread to discuss
          the elections. </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">4. As to BestBits
          closure, it is true that it was Bestbits decision. However,
          now that the closure is being finalized on BestBits, there
          were some concerns about how to safeguard that past couple of
          years materials and valuable documents that have been posted
          on Bestbits website. One way would be to bring those materials
          to IGC website under a Bestbits history page. This needs to be
          discussed with IGC members. Another would be to archive the
          website and keep it. But Jeremy does not (rightly so) want to
          keep administering Bestbits website and no one else is
          volunteering. If someone from Bestbits wants to volunteer to
          preserve the documents/website etc, then I believe we don't
          have to discuss it at IGC. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I hope this is helpful.
          I think our frank discussions are good but let's also be
          mindful of the issues we have been facing in getting our act
          together and help each other to fix them. </div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="">
              <div class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" class="">Farzaneh </font></div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:55
          PM parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
          wrote:<br class="">
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">  </font><font face="Verdana" class="">Bruno
                and</font><font face="Verdana" class=""> Arsene</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">I am sorry, I want to be most
                respectful, engaged etc, but one can say something only
                that many times, and we all have limited  time.</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">A coordinator is before all the
                custodian and implementer of the constitutional document
                of  the concerned group/ community, here the IGc
                charter...</font></p><p class=""><font face="Verdana" class="">I have now many times pointed to the
                fact, supported by others, that the IGC charter is
                unequivocal that this<b class=""> elist is the primary workplace
                  of the IGC</b>...  But you simply do not respond to
                that point , for whatever reason. (Nor to others --
                admittedly less important points, like a request to know
                when is the planned day zero meeting and asking to
                ensure there is no overlap with JNC meeting in the
                afternoon of that day)<br class="">
              </font></p><p class="">Now, it seems that some discussion is happening for many
              months about review of IGC charter.. No one really know
              why, how, or such about this. Not one word, justification,
              etc have ever been advanced on this list, much less put
              that to discussion, on what the charter says as the
              primary workplace of the IGC.</p><p class="">Who is proposing such amendment, and why? What are the
              triggers, reasons, justifications......!!???? Is this too
              much to ask...</p><p class="">I have not followed this discussion of this small group,
              which shows up off and on, but always remains very unclear
              about what exactly is happening. But in between I read
              somewhere, someone talking about amending the charter, and
              another saying the charter may be saying this, the
              original person pressing for the amendment saying, ok, but
              where is the charter, I havent seen it !!!???? People want
              to amend the charter without having seen it... What is
              happening here. <br class="">
            </p><p class="">I do not want to bring up issues about how submissions
              have been made on the behalf of IGC, without following any
              kind of due procedure, and when the charter is absolutely
              clear as well as insistent about the due process, and so
              on, many things....</p><p class="">I was trying to stay off, but this is becoming  a real
              mess, sorry...</p><p class="">Best regards</p><p class="">parminder <br class="">
            </p><p class=""><br class="">
            </p>
            <div class="gmail-m_6221527063855316467gmail-m_7883554803504493907moz-cite-prefix">On
              17/07/19 7:39 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance
              Mailing List) wrote:<br class="">
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              <div dir="ltr" class="">Dear all, 
                <div class=""><br class="">
                </div>
                <div class="">Can we agree on the proposed agenda for the
                  upcoming call ? <br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  <b class="">CS Meeting Agenda </b></div>
                <div class=""><br class="">
                </div>
                <div class="">1. Onboarding new IGC Members (Bestbits members who
                  are opting into IGC)</div>
                <div class="">2. Charter review discussion</div>
                <div class="">3. IGC New Website </div>
                <div class="">4. IGC Co-Coordinator Elections </div>
                <div class="">5. IGF 2019 Day Zero event </div>
                <div class="">6. AOB</div>
                <div class=""><br class="">
                </div>
                <div class="">Is there any other subject our members wish to add
                  ? <br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  Best, </div>
                <div class="">Bruna Santos </div>
              </div>
              <br class="">
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 17 juil. 2019
                  à 10:32, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>
                  a écrit :<br class="">
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                  <div dir="auto" class="">I forgot to add failing to deliver the
                    website on time.</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 17 Jul
                      2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br class="">
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                      <div dir="auto" class="">
                        <div class="">Response is inline;<br class="">
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 17
                              Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>
                              wrote:<br class="">
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                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It is
                              noted that you don't want to apologize and
                              it is your right.<br class="">
                              This is noted.<br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              And you don't have to call people
                              "incompetent" with no<br class="">
                              details/explanation to substantiate your
                              claim. On what basis are you<br class="">
                              calling coordinators incompetent?<br class="">
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                        <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
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                        <div dir="auto" class="">1)Pending elections and not
                          calling for nominees from November last year
                          for January's elections.</div>
                        <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto" class="">2)Not driving a call for
                          strategic engagement and waiting for the wind
                          to blow the IGC in any direction. I will use
                          Milton's term for "rudderless".</div>
                        <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto" class="">I will underscore that the
                          criticism is on the inaction and not of people
                          personally. This is not a personal attack but
                          addressing a key leadership issue.</div>
                        <div dir="auto" class="">
                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br class="">
                              It is okay to say now that Arsene is term
                              ended since January because<br class="">
                              there are activities on the list, but it
                              was obvious that no one was<br class="">
                              interested in elections at some point. </blockquote>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto" class="">Again, this is rubbish. A call
                          for elections is void of people's lack of
                          interest. There was no call put out last
                          November, 2018.</div>
                        <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto" class="">
                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">And you
                              should thank those who<br class="">
                              have helped revive the discussion because
                              those here who recall the<br class="">
                              history, we have gone through a lot of
                              issues and if elections were<br class="">
                              called at that time, close to no one would
                              have nominated themselves<br class="">
                              for that.<br class="">
                            </blockquote>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto" class="">The IGC was never dead. Its
                          members are movers and shakers globally, it is
                          the leadership that needs revival.</div>
                        <div dir="auto" class="">
                          <div class="gmail_quote">
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                              Only God knows how many times I called for
                              help here when everything<br class="">
                              was almost dying, I think at some point
                              this community will have to<br class="">
                              thank me for my service :) </blockquote>
                          </div>
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                        <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto" class="">Again hogwash. You were always
                          putting emails notifying of MAG activities not
                          engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you
                          for your service, you do us all a tremendous
                          disservice when you do not take responsibility
                          for not calling elections. This is not
                          acceptable. Leaders must be able to take
                          responsibility.</div>
                        <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div dir="auto" class="">
                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">But
                              this is not the point here as I don't<br class="">
                              always seek for praises whenever I am
                              doing some work. I am thankful<br class="">
                              to Bruna for her support since the day she
                              joined and everyone else<br class="">
                              who provided help.<br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              The future looks great now, let's work to
                              make things happen!</blockquote>
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                        <div dir="auto" class="">The future is always great! Yes
                          we should work together but it also means
                          having Frank and open and honest conversations
                          so we can move forward.</div>
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                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> I look<br class="">
                              forward to having BestBits members join
                              and be allowed time to have<br class="">
                              voting rights, as per the charter.<br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              Please digest what Parminder raised on
                              this matter and scores more.<br class="">
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                              Regards,<br class="">
                              Arsene<br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T.
                              Tamanikaiwaimaro<br class="">
                              <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>:<br class="">
                              > I will not apologise for the
                              incompetence shown by the coordinators.<br class="">
                              > The Charter clearly states that
                              revisions made can only be voted on by<br class="">
                              > those that participate in last held
                              elections.<br class="">
                              > Arsene no longer is coordinator and
                              this term ended last January by virtue<br class="">
                              > of Charter.<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > Get on with the elections!<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am
                              Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <<br class="">
                              > <a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
                              wrote:<br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              >> What a load of rubbish!<br class="">
                              >> The elections need to take place
                              asap.<br class="">
                              >> The preparations for the IGF can
                              continue simultaneously.<br class="">
                              >><br class="">
                              >><br class="">
                              >> Get it together!<br class="">
                              >><br class="">
                              >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am
                              Sheetal Kumar, <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><br class="">
                              >> wrote:<br class="">
                              >><br class="">
                              >>> Dear all,<br class="">
                              >>><br class="">
                              >>> I'm happy to be part of a
                              leadership or steering group, if everyone
                              is<br class="">
                              >>> ok<br class="">
                              >>> with that. Apart from Bruna,
                              I would also suggest that Farzaneh is<br class="">
                              >>> involved<br class="">
                              >>> in such a group if she can
                              be.<br class="">
                              >>><br class="">
                              >>> And thank you Arsene for your
                              help and efforts so far, much appreciated.<br class="">
                              >>><br class="">
                              >>> Best<br class="">
                              >>> Sheetal.<br class="">
                              >>><br class="">
                              >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29,
                              Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
                              >>> wrote:<br class="">
                              >>><br class="">
                              >>>> Thanks for sharing that,
                              Ian.<br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> I really don't see a
                              point of having elections now in the
                              middle of an<br class="">
                              >>>> important process that we
                              all look forward to. I think we should aim<br class="">
                              >>>> at concluding this by the
                              end of the year, at the latest so that<br class="">
                              >>>> January 2020, we have
                              everything in place? IGF is in November,
                              we<br class="">
                              >>>> should be sufficiently
                              advanced by then because that's the only
                              big<br class="">
                              >>>> physical gathering for
                              most of us here for the year and then
                              comes<br class="">
                              >>>> holidays in December. All
                              major discussions (and decisions?) should
                              be<br class="">
                              >>>> taken by Berlin?<br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> If the list is happy, I
                              am stepping down (i know I should have
                              done<br class="">
                              >>>> this long time ago but if
                              you have been following, I have only been<br class="">
                              >>>> doing my best to help out
                              here) and will no longer take an official<br class="">
                              >>>> position here. I remain a
                              member and will leave it to Bruna who is<br class="">
                              >>>> still a legitimate
                              Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who
                              has been<br class="">
                              >>>> leading this process
                              (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the
                              two<br class="">
                              >>>> individuals to lead us to
                              a new IGC in the next few months?<br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> This said, from now on, I
                              will be acting as a member so please<br class="">
                              >>>> consider my emails not as
                              a Co-coordinator but a member.<br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> I hope this helps.<br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> Regards,<br class="">
                              >>>> Arsene<br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18
                              UTC+02:00, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>
                              <<br class="">
                              >>>> <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>:<br class="">
                              >>>> > Thanks for that
                              update Arsene.<br class="">
                              >>>> ><br class="">
                              >>>> > If you are adopting
                              a new charter as well as everything else
                              you<br class="">
                              >>>> > mention, it looks to
                              me like a long drawn out process which
                              will go<br class="">
                              >>>> well<br class="">
                              >>>> > into 2020. That may
                              well be the best path forward, but I think
                              in the<br class="">
                              >>>> > circumstances it
                              would be appropriate for this list to
                              endorse a<br class="">
                              >>>> > leadership group who
                              will guide this process forward. I would
                              like to<br class="">
                              >>>> > feel that a step has
                              been taken to ensure the list is happy
                              with the<br class="">
                              >>>> > directions being
                              discussed and agreeable to a leadership
                              group taking<br class="">
                              >>>> it<br class="">
                              >>>> > forward.<br class="">
                              >>>> ><br class="">
                              >>>> > That would add a lot
                              of credibiity IMHO.<br class="">
                              >>>> ><br class="">
                              >>>> > I won't be joining
                              the call, but I think it is very important
                              that it<br class="">
                              >>>> > reports back to
                              here, as Parminder and others have
                              mentioned, and<br class="">
                              >>>> > that<br class="">
                              >>>> > steps forward are
                              discussed here on list and endorsed.<br class="">
                              >>>> ><br class="">
                              >>>> > Ian Peter<br class="">
                              >>>> > ------ Original
                              Message ------<br class="">
                              >>>> > From: "Arsène
                              Tungali" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><br class="">
                              >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar"
                              <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><br class="">
                              >>>> > Cc: "<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>"
                              <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>;
                              "Salanieta T.<br class="">
                              >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro"
                              <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>;
                              "Parminder"<br class="">
                              >>>> > <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>;
                              "governance"<br class="">
                              >>>> > <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a><br class="">
                              >>>> ><br class="">
                              >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019
                              7:55:02 PM<br class="">
                              >>>> > Subject: Re:
                              [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging
                              Bestbits in, IGF Day<br class="">
                              >>>> > zero event and other
                              subjects<br class="">
                              >>>> ><br class="">
                              >>>> >>Good point,
                              Sheetal and I agree with you.<br class="">
                              >>>> >><br class="">
                              >>>> >>I had briefly
                              discussed the election issue with Bruna
                              during the last<br class="">
                              >>>> >>ICANN meeting and
                              we agreed that the best time to conduct
                              co-co<br class="">
                              >>>> >>elections is
                              right after the merger step is completed,
                              the new<br class="">
                              >>>> >> charter<br class="">
                              >>>> >>has been adopted
                              and we have a unified list. I am sure
                              Bruna was<br class="">
                              >>>> >>planning to
                              report this to the list at some point, but
                              here you are.<br class="">
                              >>>> >><br class="">
                              >>>> >>I would suggest
                              we all plan to attend the call and agree
                              on next<br class="">
                              >>>> >> steps.<br class="">
                              >>>> >><br class="">
                              >>>> >>Regards,<br class="">
                              >>>> >>Arsene<br class="">
                              >>>> >><br class="">
                              >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44
                              UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>>:<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  Dear all,<br class="">
                              >>>> >>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  While the
                              closure of Bestbits is an internal matter
                              for Bestbits,<br class="">
                              >>>> >>> we<br class="">
                              >>>> >>> have<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  agreed for
                              it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC
                              conversations<br class="">
                              >>>> need to<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  take that
                              into account. We're at that point where
                              the closure has<br class="">
                              >>>> been<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  agreed but
                              there are still people on Bestbits who are
                              not on IGC<br class="">
                              >>>> >>> but<br class="">
                              >>>> >>> likely<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  will sign
                              up to be part of the discussions soon.<br class="">
                              >>>> >>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  As such,
                              shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits
                              who want to<br class="">
                              >>>> >>> join<br class="">
                              >>>> to<br class="">
                              >>>> >>> join<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  and we can
                              then get the IGC coordinator elections
                              going? The call<br class="">
                              >>>> >>> to<br class="">
                              >>>> >>> agree<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  next steps
                              and make sure everyone is on the same page
                              is going to<br class="">
                              >>>> >>> be<br class="">
                              >>>> >>> w/c<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  August 5.<br class="">
                              >>>> >>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  Best<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  Sheetal<br class="">
                              >>>> >>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  On Wed, 17
                              Jul 2019 at 06:29, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  wrote:<br class="">
                              >>>> >>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  Bruna,<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  On a
                              more substantive matter -<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  Can you
                              also advise us on how progress is going as
                              regards<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>> getting<br class="">
                              >>>> the<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  IGC<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>> 
                              Coordinator elections (which were due last
                              January) underway? On<br class="">
                              >>>> June<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>> 26<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  you
                              advised the list that you. would be
                              talking to Arsene and<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>> would<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>> get<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  back to
                              the list ASAP.  Do you have an update?<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  Ian
                              Peter<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  ------
                              Original Message ------<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  From:
                              "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>> <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a><br class="">
                              >>>> ><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  To:
                              "Parminder" <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  Cc:
                              "governance" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  Sent:
                              17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>> 
                              Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC:
                              Merging Bestbits in, IGF<br class="">
                              >>>> Day<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>> zero<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  event
                              and other subjects<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  Agree
                              with Parminder.<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  On Wed,
                              17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder,<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>> <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a><br class="">
                              >>>> ><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>  wrote:<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  HI
                              Bruna/ All<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              Good morning to all!<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their
                              internal matter.<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  As
                              for a day zero event at the IGF for the
                              IGC, when do you plan<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>
                              it...<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch
                              on day zero, and<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>
                              please<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              ensure<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              that these do not clash. Thanks.<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              While as a secondary or adjunct method
                              call based discussions<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> can<br class="">
                              >>>> be<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              done<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              among however wishes to do so, the charter
                              clearly says that the<br class="">
                              >>>> main<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  and<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              authoritative space of IGC's work will be
                              this e-list, which I<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>
                              request<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              everyone's attention to.<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              thanks and best regards<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              parminder<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  On
                              17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
                              (via governance<br class="">
                              >>>> Mailing<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              List) wrote:<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              Dear IGC members,<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  As
                              some of you might be aware, there has been
                              some discussions<br class="">
                              >>>> around<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  the<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              merger of BestBits and IGC going on for
                              the past months.<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              Back in Tunis, @RightsCon <<a href="mailto:rightscon@accessnow.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rightscon@accessnow.org</a>>,
                              some of us<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>
                              convened<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  to
                              discuss further steps for Civil Society
                              Coordination and that<br class="">
                              >>>> also<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              entailed the merger debate. The summary of
                              the discussion, as<br class="">
                              >>>> well as<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  the<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              decision on closing BestBits can all be
                              found at the BestBits<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> list<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              <<a href="http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html</a>>.<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              Past this moment, theres a need to arrange
                              a call to discuss our<br class="">
                              >>>> next<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              steps, including a Day Zero Event at the
                              IGF, later in November.<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>
                              Another<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              agenda items are also reviving the IGC
                              website, IGC<br class="">
                              >>>> co-coordinators<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              elections and our charter. Additionally to
                              IGC related subjects,<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>
                              there<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  is<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              also the need to discuss a proper closure
                              for BestBits, as well<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> as<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              proper<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              outreach in a transparent way and the
                              possibility for members to<br class="">
                              >>>> join<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              IGC.<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  For
                              this reason, @Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>>
                              created<br class="">
                              >>>> this<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              doodle for all interested members to
                              indicate their availability<br class="">
                              >>>> for<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> the<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              call: <a href="https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26</a><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              <<a href="https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26</a>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              Best Regards,<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  --<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              *Bruna Martins dos Santos *<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>> 
                              @boomartins<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  ---<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>>>  To
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                              >>>> >>>>> 
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                              >>>> >>>>> 
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                              >>>> >>>>> 
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                              >>>> >>>>  To
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                              >>>> >>>>  List
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                              >>>> >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  --<br class="">
                              >>>> >>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>><br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  *Sheetal
                              Kumar*<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  Programme
                              Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  Second
                              Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  T: +44
                              (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  PGP ID:
                              E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
                              114D 173B E9E2<br class="">
                              >>>> 0603<br class="">
                              >>>> >>> DD7F<br class="">
                              >>>> >>>  E592 EFBB
                              EAB1 CF31|<br class="">
                              >>>> >>><br class="">
                              >>>> >><br class="">
                              >>>> >><br class="">
                              >>>> >>--<br class="">
                              >>>>
                              >>------------------------<br class="">
                              >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali*
                              <<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://about.me/ArseneTungali</a>>*<br class="">
                              >>>> >>Co-Founder &
                              Executive Director, *Rudi international<br class="">
                              >>>> >><<a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.rudiinternational.org</a>>*,<br class="">
                              >>>> >>CEO,* Smart
                              Services Sarl <<a href="https://www.smart-kitoko.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.smart-kitoko.com/</a>>*,<br class="">
                              >>>> >>Tel: +243
                              993810967 (DRC)<br class="">
                              >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0<br class="">
                              >>>> >><br class="">
                              >>>> >>2015 Mandela
                              Washington Fellow<br class="">
                              >>>> >><<br class="">
                              >>>> >><br class="">
                              >>>> <a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html</a><br class="">
                              >>>> ><br class="">
                              >>>> >><br class="">
                              >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN
                              GNSO Council Member<br class="">
                              >>>> >><<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm</a>>
                              Member. UN IGF MAG<br class="">
                              >>>> >><<a href="https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm</a>>
                              Member<br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> --<br class="">
                              >>>> ------------------------<br class="">
                              >>>> **Arsène Tungali* <<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://about.me/ArseneTungali</a>>*<br class="">
                              >>>> Co-Founder &
                              Executive Director, *Rudi international<br class="">
                              >>>> <<a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.rudiinternational.org</a>>*,<br class="">
                              >>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl
                              <<a href="https://www.smart-kitoko.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.smart-kitoko.com/</a>>*,<br class="">
                              >>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)<br class="">
                              >>>> GPG: 523644A0<br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> 2015 Mandela Washington
                              Fellow<br class="">
                              >>>> <<br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> <a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html</a><br class="">
                              >>>> ><br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO
                              Council Member<br class="">
                              >>>> <<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm</a>>
                              Member. UN IGF MAG<br class="">
                              >>>> <<a href="https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm</a>>
                              Member<br class="">
                              >>>><br class="">
                              >>><br class="">
                              >>><br class="">
                              >>> --<br class="">
                              >>><br class="">
                              >>><br class="">
                              >>> *Sheetal Kumar*<br class="">
                              >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL
                              PARTNERS DIGITAL<br class="">
                              >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
                              Street, London, E1 5JL<br class="">
                              >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M:
                              +44 (0)7739569514  |<br class="">
                              >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  |
                              PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603<br class="">
                              >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|<br class="">
                              >>><br class="">
                              >>><br class="">
                              ><br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              -- <br class="">
                              ------------------------<br class="">
                              **Arsène Tungali* <<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://about.me/ArseneTungali</a>>*<br class="">
                              Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi
                              international<br class="">
                              <<a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.rudiinternational.org</a>>*,<br class="">
                              CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <<a href="https://www.smart-kitoko.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.smart-kitoko.com/</a>>*,<br class="">
                              Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)<br class="">
                              GPG: 523644A0<br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              2015 Mandela Washington Fellow<br class="">
                              <<br class="">
                              <a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html</a>><br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member<br class="">
                              <<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm</a>>
                              Member. UN IGF MAG<br class="">
                              <<a href="https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm</a>>
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