<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hello Parminder,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">From my understanding, when we talked about the elections on IGC mailing list, Bruna and Arsene on the list told us that they will go and discuss it with each other and get back to us on possible paths forward. They did not make a decision, but also the update was not received, which I think we can fix it and your point is taken. But this has nothing to do with discussing the charter amendment. Which we discussed on the list briefly and some rightly told us that we should follow the charter amendment procedure. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree with your point all these issues should be discussed on the mailing list. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:13 PM parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Verdana">Sheetal</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">About disregard of the process, I must say
that the shoe is entirely on the other foot... <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Having just now locked horns with the IGC
co-coordinators on the absolutely unclear issue of IGC charter
amendment, If I read your email right, the only real issue we
have in front of us is that we ensure that those BB members who
are not already in the IGC if they join now -- hopefully within
the next 2 weeks or so -- they are able to vote in the next
election, given that a 2 month cooling period is required for
new members. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Very well, is this the real/ main problem...
We can try to address it, fine. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">But is it really just this. Let us be clear
about it.<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">You now saw, "</font>IGC charter was only
ever an idea, its not been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just
something to discuss, further down the line. Perhaps."</p>
<p>How do I square this with what Arsene said in his email already
today, with whatever authority he said it with, that (emphasis
added)<br>
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<pre class="gmail-m_710680497153733361western"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">"I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co elections is right after the merger step is completed<b>, the new charter</b></font><b>
</b><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><b>has been adopted </b>and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps."</font></pre>
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regards</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%">parminder <br>
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<div class="gmail-m_710680497153733361moz-cite-prefix">On 17/07/19 5:36 PM, Sheetal Kumar
wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear all, <br>
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<div><br>
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<div>I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the
Charter. It's indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I
don't understand is the disregard for a process that has been
ongoing for months, about a large and until recently active
splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has since
agreed to close and its members who are not already part of
IGC 'join IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had
an active membership, it had a functioning website, it had a
steering group, it used to coordinate, and more. It also had
its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an event
before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how
many people who have been part of that discussion or at least
following on Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part
of the IGC elections? Whether its semantic or not to call it a
'merger', the point remains that this has been a discussion
for a few months that should, IMHO, have an impact on when to
hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think it
makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and
Bestbits (as a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying
this because I want to run for any elections necessarily, I've
only ever been interested a discussion towards a more
impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It just
seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion
and to take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind
(again, because of the history of the connection between
Bestbits and IGC).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process:
Each person who is subscribed to the list at least two (2)
months before the election will be given a voter account". <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined
then they couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3
months? If there is a time sensitive reason not to, that would
be good to discuss.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an
idea, its not been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just
something to discuss, further down the line. Perhaps.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best</div>
<div>Sheetal<br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40,
Nnenna Nwakanma <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin
IGF.<br>
</div>
Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process".<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it
only takes a click to accept the charter and be added to
the mailing list.<br>
<br>
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<div>My 2 cents</div>
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<div>Nnenna<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Much to my surprise I agree
with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be wound up, so
be it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>After which, those from
Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please
subscribe to the list and do so.</span></p>
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on behalf of parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
<b>Reply to: </b>parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>,
Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>"
<<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>,
"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>,
governance <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [governance] Reviving IGC:
Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and
other subjects</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène
Tungali wrote:<br>
<br>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last</pre>
<pre>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co</pre>
<pre>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter</pre>
<pre>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was</pre>
<pre>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are.</pre>
</blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Arsene</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I
am not sure what you mean about a unified list...</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">There
is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC,
and it is up to to those in Bestbits and not
already in IGC to take that route if they want to.
Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members
adhering to iGC's charter (rather than insisting
for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it).
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">And
there is really no merger involved here, even if
people loosely use that language .</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I
remain astonished about the repeated talk about a
new IGC charter, especially as an already decided
thing! What exactly are you talking about. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">And
I am further pained for you, being still perhaps
an IGC co-coordinator, not at all responding to my
clear email about how this elist is the primary
work place for the IGC, and also an
ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment.</span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre> </pre>
<pre>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps.</pre>
</blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">You
can make whatever calls and agree on whatever
steps you have you may wish to -- that is no part
of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or
consequence for it.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">regards</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">parminder
</span></p>
<p> </p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Regards,</pre>
<pre>Arsene</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a>:</pre>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre>Dear all,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have</pre>
<pre>agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to</pre>
<pre>take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been</pre>
<pre>agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely</pre>
<pre>will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join</pre>
<pre>and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree</pre>
<pre>next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c</pre>
<pre>August 5.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Best</pre>
<pre>Sheetal</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a></pre>
<pre><a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank"><ian.peter@ianpeter.com></a></pre>
<pre>wrote:</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<pre>Bruna,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>On a more substantive matter -</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the</pre>
<pre>IGC</pre>
<pre>Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26</pre>
<pre>you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get</pre>
<pre>back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update?</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Ian Peter</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>------ Original Message ------</pre>
<pre>From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a></pre>
<pre>To: "Parminder" <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank"><parminder@itforchange.net></a></pre>
<pre>Cc: "governance" <a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a></pre>
<pre>Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM</pre>
<pre>Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero</pre>
<pre>event and other subjects</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Agree with Parminder.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank"><parminder@itforchange.net></a></pre>
<pre>wrote:</pre>
<pre> </pre>
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<pre>HI Bruna/ All</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Good morning to all!</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it...</pre>
<pre>Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please</pre>
<pre>ensure</pre>
<pre>that these do not clash. Thanks.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be</pre>
<pre>done</pre>
<pre>among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main</pre>
<pre>and</pre>
<pre>authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request</pre>
<pre>everyone's attention to.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>thanks and best regards</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>parminder</pre>
<pre>On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing</pre>
<pre>List) wrote:</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Dear IGC members,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around</pre>
<pre>the</pre>
<pre>merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Back in Tunis, @RightsCon <a href="mailto:rightscon@accessnow.org" target="_blank"><rightscon@accessnow.org></a>, some of us convened</pre>
<pre>to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also</pre>
<pre>entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as</pre>
<pre>the</pre>
<pre>decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list</pre>
<pre><a href="http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html" target="_blank"><http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html></a>.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next</pre>
<pre>steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another</pre>
<pre>agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators</pre>
<pre>elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there</pre>
<pre>is</pre>
<pre>also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as</pre>
<pre>proper</pre>
<pre>outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join</pre>
<pre>IGC.</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar <a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank"><sheetal@gp-digital.org></a> created this</pre>
<pre>doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for the</pre>
<pre>call: <a href="https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26" target="_blank">https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26</a></pre>
<pre><a href="https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26" target="_blank"><https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26></a></pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Best Regards,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>--</pre>
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