<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Dear all,<div><br><div>I am glad we are discussing and that the discussion is moving in the right direction, based on what was discussed in Tunis two weeks ago. Looks like the majority of members are in agreement with the suggested ways forward, leading to the July 5 deadline.</div><div><br></div><div>I would like to thank those who are participating and who are weighing to enrich the discussion. I am sure Sheetal who has kindly agreed to lead this discussion (on behalf of IGC Co coordinators) will be in a position to help us go past the deadline with concrete outcomes, by also making sure she captures the minority voices in the report.</div><div><br></div><div>It is good to know that Avri and Anriette are keeping for us a bit of IGC archives. This will be useful to be shared and stored once the new platform is out as an outcome of this discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>Moving forward, i would suggest anyone willing to discuss this topic to please do so under this very same thread so we keep everything in one place.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Arsene, IGC Co-co<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 24 Jun 2019, at 17:21, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro (via governance Mailing List) <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Hope you are well Sheetal.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There is usually a list of members on the IGC website which describes those who can vote or not as per charter depending on whether they participated in the elections and voted.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The IGC alongwith others should have a day 0 event at the IGF.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 5:25 pm Sheetal Kumar, <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Sala, all, <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the reply! So we can continue the conversation on the proposal included at the beginning of this thread in the other thread which includes Bestbits members. I actually have no idea who is part of both as there are definitely members of Bestbits who are not members of IGC and vice versa, but I know there is some discrepancy. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 at 17:20, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Best Bits is dead. Members of Best Bits are also members on IGC and if some are'nt there is nothing stopping them from joining the IGC, if they wished to do so.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 5:15 pm Sheetal Kumar, <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear all <br></div><div><br></div><div>Apologies for the delay in responding - I've been away for a week and I trust you received my OOO. Reading through the comments, it seems to me there is more or less agreement on some things but less on others. In essence:<br></div><ul><li>There seems to be agreement that reviving IGC is a good thing because there's a lot of work to be done by CS on important IG issues on the global agenda/at global forums</li><li>There's some agreement that merging BB with IGC would be a good way forward to accomplish that but concern that the appropriate process hasn't been followed within IGC, albeit there is disagreement about what that process would/could be<br></li><li>There's agreement that all documents, from both lists, should be preserved and centralised for easy access by all members</li><li>There support for organising a day 0 event at the IGF in Berlin<br></li><li>There's less agreement that there's a need to review the IGC Charter </li></ul><div>Hopefully this captures the conversation so far?<br></div><div><br></div><div>I've also read the responses on the thread which includes Bestbits and although there are only a few responses there, combined with the views of those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, I think we can say that there is general support from the Bestbits list members for merging so far. <br></div><div><br></div><div>As such, I'd suggest the following as a way forward, interested to hear what others think if you don't agree: <br></div><div><ul><li>If there isn't agreement on the diagnosis of the problem, we can start the discussion anew. It's important we all agree on the premise we're working on, otherwise we'll move forward leaving people behind and just recreate the current situation again. Currently the diagnosis of those engaged, and the basis of those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, is that civil society working on IG issues is split/fragmented and therefore less effective than it could be. If anyone disagrees with this diagnosis, I think they should express this on the thread with Bestbits included<br></li><li>If anyone is against the merger as a way of addressing this issue (i.e split/fragmentation as a key factor which explains our ineffectiveness) I think this should be expressed on the Bestbits thread too - mainly because of the general support for the idea of merging among members of both lists, and the main concern currently expressed about the merger being about process. Otherwise, the conversations will continue to be split and the current situation will be perpetuated. <br></li><li>If anyone is against the idea of reforming the Charter <i>in principle</i> they make that clear in the thread with Bestbits too - as there maybe Bestbits members who have opinions on that as well. This is just a conversation so if there is strong disagreement about reforming the Charter among anyone in either list, we could potentially agree not to reform it and revisit the idea in a year, for example. <br></li></ul><div>Unless there's disagreement, I'll send a reminder to the thread which includes Bestbits at the end of this week, and hopefully we can weave ourselves back together there?<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div>Sheetal<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 22:45, Anriette Esterhuysen <<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Agree completely with you on this Milton. And as Farzi pointed
out, of course we should preserve the documents on the Best Bits
site, and the list archives.<br>
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<p>By the way, if anyone wants the archives of the IGC lists I have
pretty complete records for 2009-2016. Probably earlier too but on
a back-up drive somewhere. I also think that the list archive of
the list when it was still hosted by APC is still available
somewhere too.<br>
</p>
<p>Anriette<br>
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<div class="m_-6866325458120569367gmail-m_-6561981442220996983m_-1554365702357811972gmail-m_994286657113565900gmail-m_5061438314120056126moz-cite-prefix">On 2019/06/17 23:08, Mueller, Milton L
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Really
good point, Sheetal.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">But
it is actually a substantive one. You have pointed out that
there are divergent perceptions of the discussion, and this
is happening because the lists are not integrated. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So
how can anyone seriously suggest that we do not need to
merge these lists? How can anyone truly concerned with civil
society influence favor maintaining this stupid barrier
between the groups involved? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">--MM<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all, <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without wanting to weigh in on the
substantive discussion being had here, I was just
wondering if it was a purposeful decision to drop Bestbits
in some of these replies. It seems there are two divergent
perceptions of the discussion happening. Happy for IGC to
have its discussion but at some point, those on Bestbits
who are not on IGC will need to be updated as I believe
there are some Bestbits members who have only seen one
side of the conversation. Otherwise, I'm happy to loop
Bestbits back in, and share the conversation that has
already happened?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sheetal.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:03, Carolina
Rossini <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I did not say anybody was
suggesting anything. It was just a reminder.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tks <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:42 AM
farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">@Carolina
(Hello!) I don't think anyone here is
suggesting that BestBits documents, materials
etc will not be preserved. It is only a matter
of how we should preserve them when we carry
out the merge. (Jeremy has been wanting to
transfer the domain name for the past I think
around 3 years, no one wants to take over, so
we definitely need a plan), we can for example
decide on having the materials stored on
future IGC website. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">As
to changes to the IGC charter, as Sheetal
explained and it is in the proposal, the
changes are going to be lightweight but if IGC
charter recommends a process for amendment,
then we should follow that. I still support
forming a small group to look into these
issues and let us know how we should proceed.
Even if we don't agree to change the charter,
we can consider what new features IGC should
possess in order to address the needs of its
members and those members that are migrating
from BestBits and generally more engagement
with IG processes. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">As
to the poll among BestBits members, that is
something you need to discuss with BestBits.
Just a reminder that both groups have been in
my opinion briefed and engaged with the
conversation. We did not just have a meeting
with 11 members. Since December 2018, IGC and
BestBits held meetings about this, a survey
was taken to see what BestBits members think
(the average attendance in those meetings was
something like 15 members, Sheetal shared a
comprehensive result of the survey). <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">@Sala
thank you for your kind words. I believe in
collective action and am glad that you found
the briefings and reports useful. InternetNZ's
help was crucial in making that happen.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Christchurch
call was one instance when the civil society
got together and showed its depth of expertise
and knowledge about Internet governance
issues. So we definitely can get it together
and act collectively. It's just a matter of
how, which I am sure we solve if we keep at it
and have these conversations. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Farzaneh
</span>
<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 3:42
AM Carolina Rossini <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I disagree with you Ian.
A pool is needed among the BB members. There
are more than 11. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">And for the BB folks, and
it’s is not only the mailing list. BB site
has a lot of good material and statements
that should be captured and saved. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry I could not make to
the meeting. You can only imagine how busy I
am.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Tks Sheetal for moving this
forward with all the delicate and sensitive
touch it does deserve. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">C<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at
5:20 AM <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">
ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a> <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No poll needed.
Best Bits closes down (their call).
Former members join IGC individually.
End of story. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">But fixing the IGC
constitution (a later step) is more
complex as Sala points out.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ian.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">------ Original
Message ------<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: "Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">To: "Sheetal Kumar"
<<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cc: "Bakhtiyor
Avezdjanov" <<a href="mailto:ba2482@columbia.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ba2482@columbia.edu</a>>;
"Lee W McKnight" <<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>>;
"Tapani Tarvainen" <<a href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>>;
"Sivasubramanian M" <<a href="mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">6.Internet@gmail.com</a>>;
"Akinremi Peter Taiwo" <<a href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">compsoftnet@gmail.com</a>>;
"governance" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent: 14/06/2019
11:40:49 AM<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re:
[governance] The proposal for closing
Bestbits and merging with IGC + next
steps (was "Follow-on from survey on
the future of Bestbits: next steps")<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The IGC usually
takes a poll led by elected
co-coordinators to determine
consensus. If post discussion and
debate, consensusnis reached to
merge then by all means.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Nobody speaks
for the IGC unless there is
consensus, if you want to change
the Charter, then there is a
process to follow. It is meant
to protect us. Members of Best
Bits are members of the IGC
anyway unless they left or
unsubscribed.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">One of the
challenges, I have seen is the
loss of important IGC data from
the old servers. Every
organsiation has to evolve,
advance but this has to be based
on consensus, and papers for and
against, proper discussion and
debate. From the outset, all I
have seen is a presumption where
the IGC has been forcibly roped
into discussing mergers without
the consensus.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The
co-coordinators have not set a
strategic pathway for engagement
in key international fora as the
IGC in the HLP session although
I was to see great geographical
representation by some members
of the IGC in the.forum in their
individual capacity.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would also
like to see the IGC working with
the World Economic Forum etc and
participating in the UN New York
meetings, although some members
participate in their
organisational capacity. It is
also significant that UNDESA
reviews the global SDG projects
and has a
monitoring/evaluation/audit type
role which it uses to review and
report back to the UNGA.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On another
separate, note, whilst Arden
(bless her heart), and others
have been royally pissed about
making a dent in how global MNCs
like Facebook behave in crisis,
these are not new issues as they
are.similar to historical
discussion on the list about
Brits imposing a temporary ban
over a certain radius of the
London bombing just as the
Egyptians and others have done
during times of national
security. The Tech Accord which
represents the committment and
negotiations between MNCs, Tech
Giants and some government reps
as was shared by the former
French Ambassador on Cyber
affairs and others, it is on a
transcript at a main session
from last year.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The most New
Zealand can do is impose a law
in New Zealand against these
giants. Facebook's Mia in NZ
who is based in the Sydney
officer and global public policy
counterparts have alot of work
on their hands.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One view is
that the threat to freedom of
expression (which the IGC has
always talked about is no
respecter of whether you are
from the East, West, South,
North. The principles are well
established in International law
and Frank La Rue's report to the
UN General Assembly which was
endorsed is relevant. On the
other hand, threats that Jeremy
Malcolm and others have been
raising on wordings and
semantics on child pornography
by a UN Drafting.committee show
an example of new and emergent
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<p class="MsoNormal">Personally,
even if Arden takes it to the
UN, the UN is obliged and
mandated not to duplicate work
that is already done and to this
end, the UN Secretary General's
foresight in appointing the HLP
and launching the report is key
as geopolitical tensions are
further heightened. I have yet
to read the full HLP report, but
if it is missing a FoX
compoment, then a letter to the
Co-Chairs, the UN Secretary
General.may the faster non
bureaucratic way to get
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being broken up for regulation!
Frankly Macron is hated in
France just as Trump is hated in
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<p class="MsoNormal">It would be
great for the IGC to host and
convene a panel to explore this.
I would recommend Bertrand from
Internet Jurisdiction to co
facilitate and moderate a
geographically diverse panel and
a representative from the Geneva
Internet Platform. I know
Bertrand is speaking at a
European Court of Human Rights
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