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Dear Arsène,<br>
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thanks for your kind follow-up. This is very helpful.<br>
My own views are that if you preach for the multistakeholder model,
then you need to practice what you preach. The WEF is likely to help
with a number of things, funding for example, but also to address
the sheer lack of involvement of business in the IGF
multistakeholder model. If this collaboration with the WEF is going
to address these challenges, then I am all for it. The time for
old-style militancy and political biases has to be relegated to the
past when one meeting after another is themed around cooperation.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/02/2019 07:55, Arsène Tungali
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
As we keep on reflecting.
Here is a question I asked Lynn (Chair of the MAG) on the MAG public list:
“Who requested this collaboration in the first place? Is it the WEF
that came to the IG or the other way around? If it is the IGF that
went on seeking WEF's collaboration, was it done through the IGF
Secretariat or was it a personal initiative of the MAG Chair?”
And here is her answer:
“Re your questions below, the WEF and the IGF have been collaborating
on various projects for at least 5 years, initially, I believe,
through the Internet For All project where the (then Chair) and
Secretariat followed the work of the WEF, and the Internet For All
project was made known to the NRIs for voluntary participation where
interests and projects intersected. There may have been other
projects at that early point as well (NetMundial Initiative? though
that didn’t get too far within the IGF); if important we can follow up
with the secretariat or MAG members from that time, as my recollection
is certainly not complete nor definitive.
This recent offer of collaboration recognized the complementary nature
of our communities, and of course any collaboration would be voluntary
- on all parties.
In my personal opinion, I would always opt for engaging with any
community that has a stake in the Internet (or applications, services,
etc.) to help ensure they were getting the most representative view
possible. It was in that light that this Collaboration Discussion
Document was produced. It was introduced at the MAG Open Consultation
meeting under the Agenda item: 'Related IG activities', but not
discussed in any detail, mainly due to time. It will be scheduled for
a future MAG meeting once the more pressing items having to do with
the Call for Workshops is well advanced.
Hope this helps clarify,
Best,
Lynn”
Let me know what are your thoughts and if this helpful or not.
Regards,
Arsene
2019-02-12 12:39 UTC+02:00, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com"><compsoftnet@gmail.com></a>:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Digging down the history path is a good thing. It's also true that WEF is
opposite of openness and transparency, but how long should we continue in
SILO. It's a question that needs to be truly answered by everyone of us.
Please don't get me wrong, I am not advocating for WEF, but exploring
collaborative opportunities that can influence stakeholders to do the right
thing in a right way. There might be the motive behind this collaboration,
no doubt, but I believe collaborative efforts can lead to desired outcomes.
Maybe we could suggest the best way to go about it to the MAG.
@Parminder, I just realized that you were the one I met during the
eCommerce Week. We should have gone to the coffee joint :)
Regards.
Peter
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:33 PM <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:LB@lucabelli.net"><LB@lucabelli.net></a> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I agree almost entirely with Lee's 2 cents with one notable exception.
While NetMundial Initiative miserably failed, the proposed
"collaboration"
between IGF and WEF will stay, once it is "approved" (I do not know by
whom, as the MAG is a mere programme committee to which the IGF mandate
does NOT give such authority, but this is another story)
The WEF-NMI partnership miserably failed because NMI (itself created
basically by WEF and one other person) failed. On the contrary, the IGF
will stay for at least the rest of the current mandate. Should any sort
of
cooperation be "approved", this will also last for - at least - the rest
of
the mandate. Given the current approval rate of WEF, this may not be an
optimal choice...
IMHO, every IGF participant is totally free to participate and work with
the WEF but equating this kind of personal engagement to othe fact that
"Collaboration
between the [IGF and WEF] is already underway" is a deliberate fallacy
that
sceptics may think only aims at present the institutional cooperation
between IGF and WEF as something already exisitng (which is not the
case).
Furthermore, the same sceptics may also think that - as it happened at
the
time of the WEF-NMI fiasco - the proposed "collaboration" is exclusively
in
the interest of the WEF and the person promoting the collaboration on the
other side.
Although one should aknowledge that at least, now, we are spared the
"mother of all bottom-up initiatives" rhetoric, it would be interesting
to
know why is the MAG chair proposing this "coperation" with WEF and not
with
other entitie. And on what basis is this kind of special cooperation
created knowing that the IGF mandate (clearly defined para 72 of the
Tunis
Agenda
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.itu.int/net/wsis/documents/doc_multi.asp?lang=en&id=2267|0">https://www.itu.int/net/wsis/documents/doc_multi.asp?lang=en&id=2267|0</a> )
does not mention such possibility? And most importantly, why is the MAG
(chair) self-attributing this new cooperation creation power rather than
focusing on a the implementation of what the IGF mandate asks and that
whoudl propably give more visibility and credibility to the entite IGF
process i.e. "where appropriate, make recommendations." (see para 72.g of
the Tunis Agenda)?
If MAG members started to read the IGF mandate or the contributions
received during the IGF stock-taking consultations (or ideally both),
they
may find an ample range of ideas to strengthen the IGF other than WEF
vassalage.
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*Luca Belli*, PhD
Professor of Internet Governance and Regulation, FGV Rio de Janeiro Law
School
Chercheur Associé, Centre de Droit Public Comparé, Université Paris 2
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Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF - World Economic Forum
(WEF) Collaboration Discussion Document
From: "Lee W McKnight" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu"><lmcknigh@syr.edu></a>
Date: 2/11/19 12:55 pm
To: "Michael J. Oghia" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mike.oghia@gmail.com"><mike.oghia@gmail.com></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com">"arsenebaguma@gmail.com"</a> <
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My 2 cents,
As Parminder notes there is a history here we cannot pretend never
happened.
Still, being even more cynical than Parminder ( if that is possible ; )
there is a reason WEF is circling back around IGF now - billionaires
hoarding the world's wealth are not being treated as glamorously as they
once were, and they don't like it.
And - yes WEF (staffers & consultants) are quality folks and do produce
useful and interesting data and reports, some of which could be
fruitfully
input into IGF discussions.
So I see it like this, a small wef collaboration as humble contributors
to
- coalitions - proposing workshop topics for future IGFs are welcome
like
anyone else. Which they can do their own PR around if they want, once a
particular panel/topic is accepted by MAG, or a dynamic coalition of
mutual
interest does something interesting.
But a prospective Big WEF collaboration with IGF to trade enhanced PR for
IGF with our collective help glossing over my cynical point , is just a
cheap sell-out of the IGF mission. And will not be credible or
effective anyway given prior history, and current global inequality
trends
which WEF institutionally is stuck on wrong side of - without a change in
its mission and approach, and which an IGF collaboration could not gloss
over.
Maybe that's 3 cents, but to summarize, if WEFers can humble themselves
sufficiently to pitch in and help out through IGF, great. But a
Netmundial
v2.0 WEF/IGF thing will inevitably flop like 1.0 and not be worth the
bother, or taint.
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*Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2019 10:25:36 AM
*To:* Michael J. Oghia
*Cc:* governance
*Subject:* Re: [governance] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF - World Economic Forum
(WEF) Collaboration Discussion Document
Thanks, everyone for sharing your thoughts here, this thread is mostly
for your information as well as to see what members think about this
discussion on the MAG.
My impression so far is that many of the reactions here are mostly
turning on the side of WHY the WEF?
I would like to suggest us to also think on the "WHY NOT"? Is there
anything fundamental that is wrong with the WEF that would endanger
any possible collaboration with the IGF? Can we think on that
direction as well?
Are there other organizations you feel would be problematic should
they seek any formal form of collaboration with the IGF?
2019-02-11 17:03 UTC+02:00, Michael J. Oghia <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mike.oghia@gmail.com"><mike.oghia@gmail.com></a>:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi Arsene,
Thanks for sharing this with us. In line with what has already been
said,
the WEF and its networks are free to participate in any part of the
IGF's
work (intersessional activities, organising workshops, etc.). Thus, I
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">don't
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">see why there needs to be any kind of formal arrangement – and this
isn't
with regards to Davos, by the way. I'm thinking here about the reports
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">such the WEF publishes. In general, I usually welcome calls for closer
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">and collaboration; however, I think that if the WEF wants to
collaborate
more closely with the IGF, they should see how their expertise,
contacts,
and donor networks can better support the IGF's existing mechanisms and
infrastructure. Even looking at the recommendations, I don't see any
that
are not just as applicable to any other stakeholders already
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">in the IGF, so why make any special exception?
Perhaps I'm naive, though.
Best,
-Michael
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 3:14 PM Arsène Tungali <
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi all,
Meant to share this document here to have your thoughts about the
collaboration between the IGF and WEF that MAG Chair is pushing for.
I would like to hear your thoughts on the questions mentionned at the
last page of the document.
Regards,
Arsene
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From: "Lynn St.Amour" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Lynn@internet-matters.org"><Lynn@internet-matters.org></a>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 15:32:46 -0500
Subject: [IGFmaglist] IGF - World Economic Forum (WEF) Collaboration
Discussion Document
To: IGF Maglist <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Igfmaglist@intgovforum.org"><Igfmaglist@intgovforum.org></a>
Cc: Derek O'Halloran <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Derek.OHalloran@weforum.org"><Derek.OHalloran@weforum.org></a>
Dear MAG members,
please find below a document in support of a discussion on possible
ways to increase collaboration between the IGF community and the World
Economic Forum (WEF). It builds on past collaborative efforts and is
in support of Agenda item 4 in the IGF Open Consultation meeting:
"Updates from related Internet Governance initiatives and processes,
followed by open discussion on possible IGF 2019
activities/collaboration”.
Thank you to Derek O’Halloran and the WEF staff for their help
creating this document.
Best regards,
Lynn
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