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<p>My 2 cents,</p>
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<p>As Parminder notes there is a history here we cannot pretend never happened.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Still, being even more cynical than Parminder ( if that is possible ; ) there is a reason WEF is circling back around IGF now - billionaires hoarding the world's wealth are not being treated as glamorously as they once were,
and they don't like it.</span><br>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">And - yes WEF (staffers & consultants) are quality folks and do produce useful and interesting data and reports, some of which could be fruitfully input into IGF discussions.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">So I see it like this, a small wef collaboration as humble contributors to - coalitions - proposing workshop topics for future IGFs are welcome like anyone else. Which they can do their own PR around if they want, once a particular
panel/topic is accepted by MAG, or a dynamic coalition of mutual interest does something interesting. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">But a prospective Big WEF collaboration with IGF to trade enhanced PR for IGF with our collective help glossing over my cynical point , is just a cheap sell-out of the IGF mission. And will not be credible or effective anyway
given prior history, and current global inequality trends which WEF institutionally is stuck on wrong side of - without a change in its mission and approach, and which an IGF collaboration could not gloss over. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Maybe that's 3 cents, but to summarize, if WEFers can humble themselves sufficiently to pitch in and help out through IGF, great. But a Netmundial v2.0 WEF/IGF thing will inevitably flop like 1.0 and not be worth the bother,
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 11, 2019 10:25:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael J. Oghia<br>
<b>Cc:</b> governance<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF - World Economic Forum (WEF) Collaboration Discussion Document</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Thanks, everyone for sharing your thoughts here, this thread is mostly<br>
for your information as well as to see what members think about this<br>
discussion on the MAG.<br>
<br>
My impression so far is that many of the reactions here are mostly<br>
turning on the side of WHY the WEF?<br>
<br>
I would like to suggest us to also think on the "WHY NOT"? Is there<br>
anything fundamental that is wrong with the WEF that would endanger<br>
any possible collaboration with the IGF? Can we think on that<br>
direction as well?<br>
<br>
Are there other organizations you feel would be problematic should<br>
they seek any formal form of collaboration with the IGF?<br>
<br>
2019-02-11 17:03 UTC+02:00, Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia@gmail.com>:<br>
> Hi Arsene,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for sharing this with us. In line with what has already been said,<br>
> the WEF and its networks are free to participate in any part of the IGF's<br>
> work (intersessional activities, organising workshops, etc.). Thus, I don't<br>
> see why there needs to be any kind of formal arrangement – and this isn't<br>
> with regards to Davos, by the way. I'm thinking here about the reports and<br>
> such the WEF publishes. In general, I usually welcome calls for closer ties<br>
> and collaboration; however, I think that if the WEF wants to collaborate<br>
> more closely with the IGF, they should see how their expertise, contacts,<br>
> and donor networks can better support the IGF's existing mechanisms and<br>
> infrastructure. Even looking at the recommendations, I don't see any that<br>
> are not just as applicable to any other stakeholders already participating<br>
> in the IGF, so why make any special exception?<br>
><br>
> Perhaps I'm naive, though.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> -Michael<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 3:14 PM Arsène Tungali <governance@lists.riseup.net><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>><br>
>> Meant to share this document here to have your thoughts about the<br>
>> collaboration between the IGF and WEF that MAG Chair is pushing for.<br>
>><br>
>> I would like to hear your thoughts on the questions mentionned at the<br>
>> last page of the document.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Arsene<br>
>><br>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>> From: "Lynn St.Amour" <Lynn@internet-matters.org><br>
>> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 15:32:46 -0500<br>
>> Subject: [IGFmaglist] IGF - World Economic Forum (WEF) Collaboration<br>
>> Discussion Document<br>
>> To: IGF Maglist <Igfmaglist@intgovforum.org><br>
>> Cc: Derek O'Halloran <Derek.OHalloran@weforum.org><br>
>><br>
>> Dear MAG members,<br>
>><br>
>> please find below a document in support of a discussion on possible<br>
>> ways to increase collaboration between the IGF community and the World<br>
>> Economic Forum (WEF). It builds on past collaborative efforts and is<br>
>> in support of Agenda item 4 in the IGF Open Consultation meeting:<br>
>> "Updates from related Internet Governance initiatives and processes,<br>
>> followed by open discussion on possible IGF 2019<br>
>> activities/collaboration”.<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you to Derek O’Halloran and the WEF staff for their help<br>
>> creating this document.<br>
>><br>
>> Best regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Lynn<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international<br>
<<a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org">http://www.rudiinternational.org</a>>*,<br>
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Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)<br>
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(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member<br>
<<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm</a>> Member. UN IGF MAG<br>
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