<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi all, <div><br></div><div>I agree with both Mawaki and Farzi on this. Not sure why WEF is not the body asking this question </div><div><br></div><div>Best </div><div>Judith <br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone<div><a href="mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com">Judith@jhellerstein.com</a></div><div>Skype ID:Judithhellerstein </div></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Feb 10, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Mawaki Chango (via governance Mailing List) <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Good point, Farzaneh!<div dir="auto">I would add, nothing prevents anyone from engaging actively in the proceedings of the IGF or from building on its outcomes. Now to specifically ask for collaboration, WEF should be the one answering those questions put forward in the document : for what purpose, exactly? What are they hoping to achieve through that collaboration, which could not be achieved by simply engaging with the open process of the IGF on "equal footing" just like any other stakeholder?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mawaki </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 3:03 AM farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net">governance@lists.riseup.net</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks Arsene. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I am not supportive of this idea. As we have been arguing, the Internet Governance Forum is a <u>forum</u> which many organizations, from various stakeholders, contribute to. Why should we start in an arbitrary haphazard way "collaborating" with other organizations and why should it be "WEF"?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Here are the questions asked in the document you shared:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default">We would like to hear your thoughts or reactions, e.g.:</div><div class="gmail_default"> Supportive?</div><div class="gmail_default"> What would be a useful collaboration in your mind?</div><div class="gmail_default"> What topics would you prioritise?</div><div class="gmail_default"> What challenges or risks would need to be managed?</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">My answer is: not supportive</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I suggest the MAG chair preserve neutrality in this matter. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_-1724254767186941571gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 4:34 AM parminder <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Verdana">We may meanwhile also make inquires if the
IGF MAG has also considered possible closer collaboration with
the World Social Forum? Or even heard of it?<br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">Or is the global elite the only port of call
and potential partner for everyone, given of course that they
are super rich ,and it is quite valuable to be with, and on the
side of, the super rich. <br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">Would this 'civil society' group like to
assess - internally, or if it feels constained vis a vis various
resources to do so, take the help of external civil society
groups -- about what much of global society thinks of the WEF
and associates it with ..</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">It is not that long back that a good part of
IG civil society warmly embraced the conspiracy to carry the
global anchor of Internet governance to the WEF, via the WEF /
ICANN led Net Mundial Initiative (different from the Net Mundial
Conference in Brazil)..... And if that effort failed it had
almost nothing to do with any resistance from the civil society,
which most (outsiders) may have thought would be the case, but
bec of combination of very different reasons, the technical
community resisted (god bless them!), there was internal big
business associations rivalry (WEF vrs ICC), and most
developing country govs did not show any enthusiasm. That was an
inglorious chapter in IG civil society's history... Interesting
that people are exploring going down such a route again....</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">parminder <br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">PS; pardon the cynical tone, but could find
no better way to make this intensely political point. <br>
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<pre class="m_-1724254767186941571gmail-m_-7426266814715925437moz-quote-pre">Hi all,
Meant to share this document here to have your thoughts about the
collaboration between the IGF and WEF that MAG Chair is pushing for.
I would like to hear your thoughts on the questions mentionned at the
last page of the document.
Regards,
Arsene
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From: "Lynn St.Amour" <a class="m_-1724254767186941571gmail-m_-7426266814715925437moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Lynn@internet-matters.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><Lynn@internet-matters.org></a>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 15:32:46 -0500
Subject: [IGFmaglist] IGF - World Economic Forum (WEF) Collaboration
Discussion Document
To: IGF Maglist <a class="m_-1724254767186941571gmail-m_-7426266814715925437moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Igfmaglist@intgovforum.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><Igfmaglist@intgovforum.org></a>
Cc: Derek O'Halloran <a class="m_-1724254767186941571gmail-m_-7426266814715925437moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Derek.OHalloran@weforum.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><Derek.OHalloran@weforum.org></a>
Dear MAG members,
please find below a document in support of a discussion on possible
ways to increase collaboration between the IGF community and the World
Economic Forum (WEF). It builds on past collaborative efforts and is
in support of Agenda item 4 in the IGF Open Consultation meeting:
"Updates from related Internet Governance initiatives and processes,
followed by open discussion on possible IGF 2019
activities/collaboration”.
Thank you to Derek O’Halloran and the WEF staff for their help
creating this document.
Best regards,
Lynn
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