<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi people<br><br></div>My participation here (both ways) have gone down.. but since I have been around from Day 0 of each of these, I can share some thoughts.<br><ol><li>IGC, the parent list underwent tough building processes. The "democratic" legacy of IGC is important when/if merging.</li><li>One of the reasons BB came to be was that IGC, at a certain point got too "talky, trashy and winding", in my opinion. Nothing was getting done and insults were freely served.</li><li>BB also came from a certain convening of Civil society actors during an IGF. It therefore became the "Action-oriented" network of CS people around IGF.</li><li>Over the years, though.. IGC has calmed down and BB has tired out.</li></ol><div>Beyond fusion/merger/marriage of both lists, is the greater question of how the non-government and non-industry actors engage in the internet/digital development landscape. A whole lot has changed, challenges have changed, and working methods may need to change if new objectives are to be achieved.<br><br></div><div>Just as a reminder, this is NOT the first time that a merger idea has come. <br><br></div><div>I have attached two screenshots.<br><br></div><div>Happy New Year.<br><br></div><div>Nnenna<br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 10:46 AM Michael J. Oghia <<a href="mailto:mike.oghia@gmail.com" target="_blank">mike.oghia@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi everyone,<div><br></div><div>Sheetal makes a great point. I also just searched for the charter, hoping to find a full-length version of it on a blog somewhere. No luck. Does anyone have a PDF or. .doc version somewhere?</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_2609443781564771844gmail-m_4541585580670515166gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Best,<br>-Michael</font><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" target="_blank">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear all, <br></div><div><br></div><div>I would agree with those further who have noted that we should have a discussion informed by certain information about the history of both groups: why were they constituted, what are their respective mandates/constitutions/charters etc? As a very first step, this information should be clear and accessible.
We should be able to compare the mandates/guiding principles/charters.
I can't access the IGC Charter via the link I'm afraid, or at least I can't find it when I visit <a href="http://archive.org" target="_blank">archive.org</a>. Would there be another way to share it? @Ian Peter - you also mentioned an IGC constitution, was this different from the charter? There is a lot more publicly available information about Bestbits available (see <a href="https://bestbits.net/wiki/main/procedures/" target="_blank">https://bestbits.net/wiki/main/procedures/</a>) than there is about IGC (indeed almost none, unless it is in the archive where I unfortunately haven't been able to find the information myself).<br></div><div><br></div><div>For those who were part of the first Steering Committee of Bestbits - could you share more information about how it was constituted and why? <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div>Sheetal. <br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 16:36, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jeremy@malcolm.id.au" target="_blank">jeremy@malcolm.id.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Actually while this seemed to me the obvious way forward at
first - BB emerged out of IGC, so why not get back together
again - on reflection there are a few issues.</div>
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<div>Firstly I note that the IGC website is down so I cant check
things - but from memory IGC had a constitution which we adopted
early on which proved very difficult to change, and which may
not be altogether suitable for what is needed now. I think this
should be looked at before everyone is locked into something
that is unsuitable. Can someone get the website up and running?</div>
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<p>I can't volunteer for that because whenever I volunteer to run a
website for a limited time I end up doing so in perpetuity, and I
feel bad about stopping. However, I can donate a paid virtual
server for SOMEONE ELSE to administer on their own. This is the
one that Best Bits is using now. It's paid up for about 5 years.<br>
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<p>Also, as one of the original co-founders of Best Bits I do
support the merger, and your (Ian's) suggestion still seems to be
the best one on the table. There are previous Steering Committee
members of Best Bits who aren't as happy about it, but I don't
think that a good alternative has been put forward yet.</p>
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