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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/20/18 16:30, Mueller, Milton L
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
am feeling very old reading these messages ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">To
me it is obvious that IGC, BB and CSGC are all outgrowths of
WSIS civil society, which started around 2001. What became
IGC started as the mailing list of WSIS civil society. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Why
not consider the merged or combined entity to be the “new”
IGC? BB barely exists anymore, and it emerged as an
outgrowth of IGC in reality. There is no need to turn our
back on the long history of WSIS civil society while at the
same time reorganizing in a way that recognizes the
contribution of BB and makes us more effective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">What
should be clear to everyone is that the current arrangement
is no longer effective and something needs to be changed.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
also believe that the current structure of CSCG is an
arbitrary historical artifact and should not constrain what
we do now. I do agree with Bruna, however, that
restructuring CSGC representation should be step two. Let’s
get IGC’s house in order first.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dr.
Milton Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Professor,
School of Public Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia
Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.riseup.net">governance-request@lists.riseup.net</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.riseup.net">mailto:governance-request@lists.riseup.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 17, 2018 2:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Akinremi Peter Taiwo
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com"><compsoftnet@gmail.com></a>; Nadira Araj
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com"><nadira.araj@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Arsène Tungali
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com"><arsenebaguma@gmail.com></a>; governance
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging
IGC with Best Bits<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear All, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Arsène for kicking off the
discussion here on IGC. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When the merger discussion was
brought up, some of the attendees agreed that the
<i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:white">"<span
style="color:black">The historical moment that
required the separation of IGC and Best bits is
long gone and that the merger would be interesting
due to the limited volunteering time and resources
available for managing both groups". </span></span></i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Therefore,
while I dont yet have a personal opinion with regards
to the merger, I believe that it could result in a
stronger and (even) more active CS caucus/coordination
group. <br>
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I guess it is safe to say that we all acknowledge the
importance of both groups, as well as their legacy.
And with IGC being the first Civil Society gatherings
having started back in 2003 (in the early stages of
the WSIS process) I would not be pleased with a merger
that did not bear in mind the importance of the
statements issued in the past or even the importance
of groups such as ours in strengthening Civil Society
participation. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">At
the same time, we have to consider that this list is
no longer as active as it once was and that
<a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/"
moz-do-not-send="true">our website</a> is no longer
functional and some other things that were lost in the
transition. So the merger suggestion comes in light of
the future discussions and coordinations that could be
generated within a joint/stronger group. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Having
said that, I agree that we could come up with a draft
merger proposal, as suggested by <a
href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com"
id="plusReplyChip-0" moz-do-not-send="true">@Nadira
Araj</a>. If we agree on this new group, there might
be a need for discussions around structure - best bits
has a steering committee while Best Bits has only two
co-coordinators - and a new institutional mandate.
With regards to the CSCG, Best Bits and IGC are 2 of
the 5 CS groups represented there, but Id say that the
CSCG composition and the discussions about
representation there should be discussed in a second
moment. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">But
I would also like to hear more from the list on this
subject. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Best
regards, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bruna
Santos </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Em seg, 17 de dez de 2018 às 16:54,
Akinremi Peter Taiwo <<a
href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>
escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Arsene for sharing your
thought. I could not attend the call because of my
engagement during the ecommerce week in Nairobi. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would say that we don't rush
into this merging of IGC and Bestbit without first
clarifying questions such as the purpose of
existence and whether the merging will translate
automatically to the group active participation.
It would be good to conduct an assessment that
will lead to a reliable recommendations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With that in mind, how would
that affect the structure of CSCG and expanding it
scope to accommodate more civil society
organization.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Peter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 3:00 PM
Arsène Tungali <<a
href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<br>
<br>
You have probably seen this already on a
different thread but thought<br>
it well to have this discussion solely on the
IGC list (as I expect<br>
Best Bits to do the same), that's why i started
this thread hoping to<br>
hear from you on this important question.<br>
<br>
This need for merging was raised by some IGC
members during a civil<br>
society call that had mostly IGC and Best Bits
participants; many of<br>
whom are both IGC and Best Bits (BB) members.
The call happened last<br>
week and Farzaneh offered to share the link to
the recording.<br>
<br>
I will not go into much details about the
rationale but would welcome<br>
anyone to weigh in and share their reasoning on
whether or not we<br>
should merge both lists. We will need to also
answer the question on<br>
how (who is doing what?) will this happen? Is
the IGC going to become<br>
BB or the latter becoming IGC? Or are we working
towards a different<br>
group where members of both groups will all be
added?<br>
<br>
This brings back to my memory the whole hassle
we had to migrate<br>
(SAVE?) this list and allow us to have this
discussion list (which<br>
hasn't been quite active for a few months but
where many feel safe to<br>
share IG related updates). So i hope we discuss
and take into account<br>
the technical cost of the merging process
(should it happen).<br>
<br>
I am also not sure how we will gauge consensus
about this question on<br>
this list? Should we vote? How long do we take
to decide? Should we<br>
consult IGC 'founders' or former Co-coordinators
separately and ask<br>
them what they think?<br>
<br>
During the call, Bruna and I offered to have a
decision by mid-January<br>
and we hope this is realistic given the holiday
season. We will then<br>
report to the group.<br>
<br>
I just wanted to throw this all here and would
REALLY appreciate a<br>
discussion that will help us move forward and
come to a conclusion.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Arsene<br>
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