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    <p>Dear Ayden</p>
    <p>I attach the oral statement deliver by Julian Casasbuenas this
      morning on behalf of the APC. In it we say that the IGF should not
      be taken for granted. It is not perfect, but it is much better
      than anything else we had before and at this point I don't see a
      substitute. We need to challenge it and improve it. <br>
    </p>
    <p>What are the spaces you refer to when you say important,
      consequential discussions are happening elsewhere? And how
      inclusive are these conversations? And how cross-issue (e.g.
      linking rights, with development, trade, education, etc.). <br>
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    <p>There are other important events, e.g. RightsCon.. but it has its
      own important role to play and is not a substitute for the IGF. <br>
    </p>
    <p>The IGF's link to the UN system and UN resolutions (at the Human
      Rights Council, the General Assembly and so on) remains valuable
      to those of us who try and work with our governments, as well as
      challenge them. Through this link we can make connections with 
      the SDGs...  you might be skeptical about all of these spaces and
      processes - I am often skeptical myself.. but ultimately I think
      that policy and agreed goals, and the accountability they can link
      to, make a difference.<br>
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    <p>There is a kind of paradox around the IGF. Who is the  IGF? Is it
      the MAG, a rotating body with a limited mandate, focused on the
      programme? The Secretariat, a small team with a huge operational
      load and unclear political support? Is it UNDESA, the official
      "home" for the IGF but a body that is not actively involved in
      internet governance? <br>
    </p>
    <p>When you talk about self-awareness, who is the self ? Everyone
      who participates, organise sessions, etc. are also part of the
      IGF.<br>
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    <p>One of the IGF's innovations is that it does not have a top down
      institutional structure, but that is also a weakness when it comes
      to changing it.</p>
    <p>Nevertheless, I still think that it is a very powerful space, and
      if we lose it (and I am referring to specifically to civil
      society, with emphasis to those of us from the global South) it
      would leave a gap that will not be filled very easily. And
      considering how many other spaces for civil society are closing, I
      think we should work hard to keep this one open.</p>
    <p>I agree with Raul. We still need the IGF.</p>
    <p>Best<br>
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    <p>Anriette</p>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/03/2018 11:49, Ayden Férdeline
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:gJS1ooKYxhSlBhYe-v4aQmAHjQ3CIObSrgmpN_fOQEats0bylUgTtQf7AZucaQKCyoLR0VgercBxv7kv85UJdpF5N96VOa2mVZyPDs0RZRU=@ferdeline.com">
      <div>I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and
        painting a purely negative picture, but I do think the time for
        saving the IGF has passed. I'm not convinced that it can be
        reformed, though I hope I am wrong, because there is definitely
        a need for an institutional home for stakeholders to effectively
        collaborate upon the development of global public policy for the
        Internet. Civil society aside - I know we engage in the IGF - I
        think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my perception that
        important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere and
        unlikely to return to the IGF. <br>
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      <div>I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva,
        but it has been my perception that the IGF has never recognised
        its own shortcomings nor taken steps to address and overcome
        them. This lack of self-awareness, I believe, has hindered its
        own legitimacy.<br>
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      <div>If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a
        venue which can credibly generate and communicate policy
        recommendations. I'm just not convinced the IGF is up to the
        job, be that because of a lack of funding, a lack of agility, or
        another reason altogether. <br>
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      <div>Best wishes,<br>
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          <div>Ayden Férdeline<br>
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      <div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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      <div> On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a> wrote:<br>
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          <div>Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum
            actually needs to be an avenue for concrete outcomes that
            feed into policies. I think those points raised by Raul was
            part of MAG discussions yesterday at the WSIS which I was
            privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond
            discussion to implementation.<br>
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          <div>Regards.<br>
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          <div>Peter<br>
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            <div>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <span
                dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org"
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                <p>Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very
                  good.<br>
                </p>
                <p>Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this
                  year, the link to APC's submission to the  stock
                  taking. We will be reading a short version today.<br>
                </p>
                <p><a
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href="http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5916/1057"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.intgovforum.org/<wbr>multilingual/index.php?q=<wbr>filedepot_download/5916/1057</a><br>
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                <div>The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the
                  secretariat is here:<br>
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                <p>Anriette Esterhuysen<br>
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                <p>APC.org<br>
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                    <div class="m_-4788152720596755421moz-cite-prefix">On
                      20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance
                      Mailing List) wrote:<br>
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                        <div>I was asking him this as well and I think
                          we'll know the result in the next week. Let's
                          keep each other posted on this. :) <br>
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                        <div>-Raoul<br>
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                          <div>On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali
                            <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                              <p><span><a
href="https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.internetsociety.or<wbr>g/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf<wbr>-ensure-healthy-future/</a></span><br>
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                              <p><span></span><br>
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                              <p><span>A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the
                                  need to reform the IGF. I know this is
                                  what so many other people believe we
                                  should do. Let’s talk about it!</span><br>
                              </p>
                              <p><span></span><br>
                              </p>
                              <p><span>Can we discuss what are the
                                  changes that we would like to see
                                  happen to make the IGF as strong and
                                  powerful as it used to be? As of now,
                                  no one know where the IGF 2018 will
                                  take place and we are in March! All i
                                  know and heard from Chengetai is that
                                  they have 3 countries in mind but are
                                  yet to decide!</span><br>
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                              <p><span></span><br>
                              </p>
                              <p><span>Now that the new MAG was
                                  announced, what are our expectations
                                  of its members? What do you think of
                                  new and past members? What can we
                                  expect from our CS representatives
                                  there?</span><br>
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                              <p><span></span><br>
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                              <p><span>Thanks,</span><br>
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                              <p><span>Arsene</span><br>
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