<div><div dir="auto">I think the greatest strengths of the IGF are the dissemination and discussing of cutting edge information on Internet governance and the networking possibilities it offers. At least for the civil society, these are reasons good enough alone to keep it going. Joao Pessoa was my first one and it blew my mind. That’s just my two cents.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"> -Raoul </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 17:05 Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:ayden@ferdeline.com">ayden@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Thank you for the thoughtful comment, Anriette.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The other spaces which I was referring to may be multiple stakeholder but not necessarily multistakeholder. They are places where civil society has no or little voice.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Personally, I am very skeptical as to whether multistakeholder governance frameworks work (or have ever worked), but I do see the value in an open, multistakeholder forum as sketched out in the Tunis Agenda.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If the IGF can be saved and improved in the process, that would be great and certainly something valuable. I just wouldn't bet money on it happening. Hopefully I live to regret that!<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes, Ayden<br></div><div class="m_4310413668635674894protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_4310413668635674894protonmail_signature_block-proton m_4310413668635674894protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On 20 March 2018 1:40 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="m_4310413668635674894protonmail_quote" type="cite"><p>Dear Ayden<br></p><p>I attach the oral statement deliver by Julian Casasbuenas this
morning on behalf of the APC. In it we say that the IGF should not
be taken for granted. It is not perfect, but it is much better
than anything else we had before and at this point I don't see a
substitute. We need to challenge it and improve it. <br></p><p>What are the spaces you refer to when you say important,
consequential discussions are happening elsewhere? And how
inclusive are these conversations? And how cross-issue (e.g.
linking rights, with development, trade, education, etc.). <br></p><p>There are other important events, e.g. RightsCon.. but it has its
own important role to play and is not a substitute for the IGF. <br></p><p>The IGF's link to the UN system and UN resolutions (at the Human
Rights Council, the General Assembly and so on) remains valuable
to those of us who try and work with our governments, as well as
challenge them. Through this link we can make connections with
the SDGs... you might be skeptical about all of these spaces and
processes - I am often skeptical myself.. but ultimately I think
that policy and agreed goals, and the accountability they can link
to, make a difference.<br></p><p>There is a kind of paradox around the IGF. Who is the IGF? Is it
the MAG, a rotating body with a limited mandate, focused on the
programme? The Secretariat, a small team with a huge operational
load and unclear political support? Is it UNDESA, the official
"home" for the IGF but a body that is not actively involved in
internet governance? <br></p><p>When you talk about self-awareness, who is the self ? Everyone
who participates, organise sessions, etc. are also part of the
IGF.<br></p><p>One of the IGF's innovations is that it does not have a top down
institutional structure, but that is also a weakness when it comes
to changing it.<br></p><p>Nevertheless, I still think that it is a very powerful space, and
if we lose it (and I am referring to specifically to civil
society, with emphasis to those of us from the global South) it
would leave a gap that will not be filled very easily. And
considering how many other spaces for civil society are closing, I
think we should work hard to keep this one open.<br></p><p>I agree with Raul. We still need the IGF.<br></p><p>Best<br></p><p>Anriette<br></p><p><br></p><div><br></div><div class="m_4310413668635674894moz-cite-prefix">On 20/03/2018 11:49, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and
painting a purely negative picture, but I do think the time for
saving the IGF has passed. I'm not convinced that it can be
reformed, though I hope I am wrong, because there is definitely
a need for an institutional home for stakeholders to effectively
collaborate upon the development of global public policy for the
Internet. Civil society aside - I know we engage in the IGF - I
think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my perception that
important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere and
unlikely to return to the IGF. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva,
but it has been my perception that the IGF has never recognised
its own shortcomings nor taken steps to address and overcome
them. This lack of self-awareness, I believe, has hindered its
own legitimacy.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a
venue which can credibly generate and communicate policy
recommendations. I'm just not convinced the IGF is up to the
job, be that because of a lack of funding, a lack of agility, or
another reason altogether. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_4310413668635674894protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_4310413668635674894protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br></div></div><div class="m_4310413668635674894protonmail_signature_block-proton m_4310413668635674894protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div>On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" class="m_4310413668635674894moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank"><governance@lists.riseup.net></a> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="m_4310413668635674894protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div><div>Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum
actually needs to be an avenue for concrete outcomes that
feed into policies. I think those points raised by Raul was
part of MAG discussions yesterday at the WSIS which I was
privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond
discussion to implementation.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards.<br></div><div>Peter<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <span><<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very
good.<br></p><p>Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier this
year, the link to APC's submission to the stock
taking. We will be reading a short version today.<br></p><p><a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5916/1057" class="m_4310413668635674894m_-4788152720596755421moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5916/1057</a><br></p><div>The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the
secretariat is here:<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5915/1068" class="m_4310413668635674894m_-4788152720596755421moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5915/1068</a> <br></div><p>Anriette Esterhuysen<br></p><p>APC.org<br></p><div><div class="m_4310413668635674894h5"><p><br></p><div><br></div><div class="m_4310413668635674894m_-4788152720596755421moz-cite-prefix">On
20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance
Mailing List) wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>I was asking him this as well and I think
we'll know the result in the next week. Let's
keep each other posted on this. :) <br></div><div><br></div><div>-Raoul<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <span><<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><p><span><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/</a></span><br></p><p><span></span><br></p><p><span>A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the
need to reform the IGF. I know this is
what so many other people believe we
should do. Let’s talk about it!</span><br></p><p><span></span><br></p><p><span>Can we discuss what are the
changes that we would like to see
happen to make the IGF as strong and
powerful as it used to be? As of now,
no one know where the IGF 2018 will
take place and we are in March! All i
know and heard from Chengetai is that
they have 3 countries in mind but are
yet to decide!</span><br></p><p><span></span><br></p><p><span>Now that the new MAG was
announced, what are our expectations
of its members? What do you think of
new and past members? What can we
expect from our CS representatives
there?</span><br></p><p><span></span><br></p><p><span>Thanks,</span><br></p><p><span>Arsene</span><br></p><div id="m_4310413668635674894m_-4788152720596755421m_8272633029337820900AppleMailSignature"><div>-----------------<br></div><div>Arsène Tungali,<br></div><div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank">about.me/ArseneTungali</a><br></div><div><a value="+243993810967" href="tel:+243%20993%20810%20967" target="_blank">+243
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