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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If you think Parminder fears government involvement you are deeply confused and deeply out of touch with the real politics of Internet governance.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> governance-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:governance-request@lists.riseup.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Burstein<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 1, 2018 6:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh@hserus.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> parminder <parminder.js@gmail.com>; governance@lists.riseup.net; BestBitsList <bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>; Forum@Justnetcoalition. Org <forum@justnetcoalition.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms for global governance of Internet fails<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I didn't mean "a </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Marc Anthony’s funeral oration vibe" when I said I believe Parminder, Vint
Cerf, and similar are taking their positions "honorably" because they fear any government involvement. No satire or implications. </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I do know the U.S. <u>government</u> position is a cold war revival. Larry Strickling, a lead of the U.S. government at WCIT explained their position by asking me, "Dave, do you want Russia and China running
the Internet." I do, actually, alongside other nations. China is now 1/3rd of the Internet. A system that excludes them is unstable. (See the board of ICANN or ISOC.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As I predicted, what's happening is the excluded are building their alternate institutions: BRICs agreements, World Internet Conference, Belt & Road extending to Europe and Africa, Russia's alternate root. <a href="http://netpolicynews.com/index.php/component/content/article/89-r/941-russia-orders-alternate-internet-system">http://netpolicynews.com/index.php/component/content/article/89-r/941-russia-orders-alternate-internet-system</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m getting a strong Marc Anthony’s funeral oration vibe here when I read your email :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But how would moving all this mess to the UN make it multistakeholder? You’d just see a more government centric model, with most stakeholders kept away from policy making.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe some favoured civil society would get in based on how close they are to their individual governments but that’s about it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And as for industry the traditional telecom players would have a disproportionate presence compared to most anyone else.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is a lot to carp and criticise over the existing model, but exchanging it for the UN would be that old Aesop fable of the fish getting king stork instead of king log.<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Dave Burstein <<a href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com" target="_blank">daveb@dslprime.com</a>><br>
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:46 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms for global governance of Internet fails<br>
To: parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder.js@gmail.com" target="_blank">parminder.js@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>>, BestBitsList <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>, Forum@Justnetcoalition. Org <<a href="mailto:forum@justnetcoalition.org" target="_blank">forum@justnetcoalition.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">(The euphemism is "only high order principles.) I'm sure folks like Vint Cerf support "multistakeholder" and "consensus" for honorable fear of governments. Knowing Parminder's work, I expect
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