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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 20 January 2018 04:56 PM,
Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Can the invitation letter be seen by others? It's
possible for the invitation to be just for Lynn (because she has
adequate credentials to deserve personal invitation), but she
sees an opportunity in it to make some presentations on behalf
of IGF. That's what I suspect from the clause:
<blockquote style="font-family:sans-serif"> "I/the IGF have been
invited..."</blockquote>
<div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto">That's IMO also why it looks
like MAG was bypassed.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto">If the invitation is
personal, Lynn has every right and all it takes to attend the
forum and do all the roles she had outlined, but any
ideas/opinions/arguments she will present and any incidents
are strictly hers.</div>
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Yes Chris, it will be good to know, but do note that the email also
talk about some "two way collaboration between the WEF and IGF" ....
this doesn't look personal to me at all! , parminder <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"> It doesn't (and can't)
follow that because she's MAG chair she'll be representing MAG
or IGF. If the invitation letter is specifically to IGF MAG
Chair, then she's entltled to answer the invitation on that
capacity, after properly informing the constituency. She may
or may not seek anyone's inputs to what she'll say or do.
However, an invitation letter to IGF certainly requires a
process of determining the person or delegation to represent
IGF in word and action. </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto">I strongly think it's
important for Lynn to explain her use of the forward slash
between "I" and "the IGF". Is the invitation letter ambiguous
(not clear about who's invited)?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto">On Jan 20, 2018 4:14 AM,
"parminder" <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
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Friday 19 January 2018 11:23 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> On 19/1/18 5:11 am, parminder
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<p><font face="Verdana">I really did not know that
IGF had its own agency to represent itself at
other forums. Whom does it really represent?
Because when you represent, you also speak for.
For whom does the it speak, and on what basis?
.. That is a mission creep which has been done
without consulting or even declaring.... <br>
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I actually agree with Parminder on this (yes, it does
happen). Not that I think that the IGF shouldn't be
able to be represented in an official way at other
international institutions. On the contrary, I
strongly believe that it should be able to do so, </blockquote>
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That might be one view, but it was not ever proposed nor
agreed to by, lets use the term, "IGF community". This
is always the problem with so called or claimed "open
and flexible process", they get captured by whoever can
expend the most resources. Norms and structures then can
accordingly work to ensure fairness and equity, the
values that should be central to progressive civil
society<br>
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.... parminder <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">and the fact that it hasn't been
able to effectively deliver messages to other
institutions has been one of its chief failings. I
also don't blame Lynn St Amour for wanting to do this.<br>
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But this is not the way to do it! The liaison between
IGF and WEF (and IETF, ICANN, OECD, WTO...) should be
formally institutionalised in some way, so that there
is accountability and legitimacy. It shouldn't just be
casually announced that "I/the IGF have been
invited...", as if the distinction is immaterial.<br>
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I do disagree in one minor respect with Parminder and
that's that, in my reading of what has happened, it's
not that the MAG has engineered this, but rather that
it's been done in a way that deliberately bypassed the
MAG, because the MAG is so dysfunctional that it
stands in the way of the evolution of the IGF, in this
and other respects, and Lynn knows this.<br>
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But that doesn't make it right. If anything, this
means the MAG needs to be overhauled, not that it
needs to be minimized and bypassed. I support
Parminder's call for the CS members of the MAG to hold
it accountable here and to call for the institution of
a proper, transparent and accountable process for the
appointment of formal institutional liaisons between
the IGF and other bodies.<br>
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