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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 13 July 2017 07:41 PM, Ken
      Stubbs wrote:<br>
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      <font face="Arial">Speaking personally,<br>
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        Frankly, I am getting tired of hearing this irritating mantra
        that far to many successful companies<br>
        are <b><u>inherently</u></b><b><u> evil and uncaring.<br>
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    <font face="Arial">Like Shell, Monsanto, US pharma, and so on -- all
      very successful companies!!? And if you have no idea what I am
      talking about then the problem is that you do not know what global
      civil society is about, although you happily chose to come in and
      provide overbearing comments on the elist of a global civil
      society group. </font><br>
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        face="Arial"><b><u> <br>
          </u></b>I am not necessarily defending Google, I would need
        significantly more evidence of their intent than <br>
        a speculative article written by someone who may very well have
        their own "agenda"<br>
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        I have little respect for people who spend much of their
        energies criticizing innovative & creative<br>
        entities who turn their creative efforts into success.<br>
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    <font face="Arial">And I, in turn, have absolutely no respect for
      business people who think that they can shout down civil society's
      central watchdog role on elists that are basically for civil
      society discussion. That is some real hubris. </font><br>
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        face="Arial"> <br>
        Those who use their energies & efforts criticizing &
        chastising  should spend less time moaning & complaining
        & more of this time working towards effecting <br>
        positive change</font></blockquote>
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    <font face="Arial">Yes, sure, it is the big corporates that are
      working for positive change and not public interest groups!! I
      absolutely understand the attempt of corporate capture of
      everything, including civil society and public interest. Only that
      you have still to face considerable resistance, it is not done
      yet. <br>
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      parminder <br>
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        Ken Stubbs<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/13/17 06:26, Suresh
        Ramasubramanian wrote:<br>
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        <div>What, this didn't get shared here earlier? I'm shocked </div>
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        <div id="AppleMailSignature">Ah, by the way here's googles
          response <a
href="https://www.blog.google/topics/public-policy/responding-campaign-accountability-report-academic-research/"
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        <div id="AppleMailSignature">Also - what do you propose, that
          academia raise money solely from school fees, or maybe use
          Monopoly money, to fund their research?  Or maybe just stop
          doing research?</div>
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        <div id="AppleMailSignature">--srs</div>
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          On 13-Jul-2017, at 3:51 PM, parminder <<a
            href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
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          <div>Google has spent millions funding academic research in
            the US and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
              href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/europe-news"
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              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to try to influence
            public opinion and policymakers, a watchdog has claimed.</div>
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