<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://5098/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">So well said, Michael - thanks.<div><br></div><div>Note particularly:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-CA" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">In fact, I believe that one interpretation of the Prisoner’s Dilemma can tell us a great deal about what may occur in the future where the significant likelihood of one player pursuing their own interest and refusing to cooperate with others</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>and especially</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-CA" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">a pity that the processes and supporters for multistakeholderism to this point have sought to avoid and downplay issues of democratic governance of the Internet, but perhaps the silver lining/unanticipated consequence of Mr. Trump’s actions is to force this issue to the fore and to precipitate the rethinking and coalition building out of which such a process of democratization might emerge</div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>David</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Michael Gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-CA" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Yes Gene, and we applaud and support those struggles however, as you well know the Internet is a necessary functionality and resource to the entire world and any material change in how it is “governed” will be of direct interest and concern to the entire world. <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Mr. Trump’s expressed determination to pursue US interests at the expense of all others raises serious questions I would think, about how multistakeholder institutions fragile as they are, can survive when one (and the major player) appears intent on foregoing collaboration and co-determination in favour of unilateralism.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">In fact, I believe that one interpretation of the Prisoner’s Dilemma can tell us a great deal about what may occur in the future where the significant likelihood of one player pursuing their own interest and refusing to cooperate with others forces all other players either to cooperate among themselves or to pursue similar autarchic moves.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thus the issue of Mr. Trump and multistakeholderism might be of quite immediate significance to many of the other players in the Internet Governance game as they decide whether to go down the path of Autarchy, align with the alternate polarity that China seems to be pursuing or seek some more widely inclusive form of democratic governance of the Internet.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">It is of course, a pity that the processes and supporters for multistakeholderism to this point have sought to avoid and downplay issues of democratic governance of the Internet, but perhaps the silver lining/unanticipated consequence of Mr. Trump’s actions is to force this issue to the fore and to precipitate the rethinking and coalition building out of which such a process of democratization might emerge and serve the interests of all users and beneficiaries of the Internet.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">M<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a> [mailto:genekimmelman@<a href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>January 29, 2017 7:24 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Michael Gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [governance] Multistakeholderism and Mr. Trump<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Many of us in the US are fighting day to day to preserve human rights principles and fundamental constitutional rights in an extremely hostile and dangerous environment. I hope we succeed, and in that context, multistakeholderism may or may not play a role (which doesn't really prove anything!). But I certainly don't think it's a very important issue to worry about at this point in time when so much more is at stake.....<span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br>On Jan 29, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Michael Gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">A question, what does Multistakeholderism looking like in the context of Mr. Trump’s America First-ism?<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Asking for a friend…<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">M<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></blockquote></div>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>