<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I doubt that there would be consensus on even that, if it had any political function. Even a coordination function that was entirely focused on the practical would be extremely difficult I think. Aside from anything else, I doubt the USG could agree to anything like that given the Administration’s interest in reducing US funding and engagement in multilateral matters.<div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 27 Jan 2017, at 16:33, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" class="">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I agree. Thatswhy I argued for a decentralized (multistakeholder) mechanism.</span><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">w</span><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----</span><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Von:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org" style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>im Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart</span><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Gesendet: Fr 27.01.2017 16:22</span><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">An:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>IGC; Kleinwächter, Wolfgang</span><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Cc: Izumi AIZU; Anriette Esterhuysen; <</span><a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">> APC Members</span><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Betreff: Re: [governance] [bestbits] Second WGEC meeting26-27 January 2017, Geneva</span><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I think expectations should be low. To be honest, the intergovernmental "action" on most issues has migrated to those processes where there is a mandate for a given area of work - trade to the WTO, INTERPOL/UNODC for crime, etc.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">On 27 Jan 2017, at 15:38, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" class="">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">I am afraid that we won´t see big progress. Too many delegates fight the battles of yesterday. It needs much more political will (from all stakeholders) to look beyond the good language of Tunis and to draft a "enhanced Internet Governance Agenda 2025".<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">w<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br class="">Von:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:izumiaizu@gmail.com" class="">izumiaizu@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:izumiaizu@gmail.com" class="">mailto:izumiaizu@gmail.com</a>> im Auftrag von Izumi AIZU<br class="">Gesendet: Fr 27.01.2017 15:34<br class="">An: Anriette Esterhuysen<br class="">Cc: governance;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" class="">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" class="">mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>; APC Members<br class="">Betreff: Re: [governance] [bestbits] Second WGEC meeting26-27 January 2017, Geneva<br class=""><br class="">I also thank you, Anriette and all those who are in cold Geneva, working<br class="">hard for this rather difficult to tackle issue of Enhanced cooperation,<br class="">still.<br class=""><br class="">Please keep the good work,and share your views on where it is going<br class="">further, if any.<br class=""><br class="">izumi<br class=""><br class="">2017-01-27 18:34 GMT+09:00 Anriette Esterhuysen <<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" class="">anriette@apc.org</a>>:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Dear Arsene (apologies for cross posting)<br class=""><br class="">Thanks for this. The first day went relatively well, if very slowly.<br class=""><br class="">Follow @sgdickinson for updates.<br class=""><br class="">We talked mostly about the 'characteristics' of enhanced cooperation.<br class=""><br class="">Representing civil society in any unified way is not really possible as<br class="">not all the civil society participants share the same position. We do<br class="">share concerns and values and there is a good working spirit between<br class="">those of us who are here (Parminder Jeet Singh, Richard Hill, Carlos<br class="">Afonso, Lea Kaspar, Jovan Kurbalija and also observers such as Wolfgang<br class="">Kleinwaechter, Puneet Nagaraj and Marilia Maricel). We have not had a<br class="">civil society meeting of any kind yet.<br class=""><br class="">That we have different positions (e.g. on what mechanisms are needed for<br class="">enhanced cooperation, and whether it is about cooperation between<br class="">governments, or between governments and other stakeholders) is also not<br class="">a bad thing in my view. And there are some views we have in common. But<br class="">we cannot say there is a united civil society position at this point.<br class=""><br class="">Cooperation between governments is important.<br class=""><br class="">Cooperation among all stakeholders is also important.<br class=""><br class="">Civil society influence is essential.<br class=""><br class="">Preventing capture from any one government or group of governments or<br class="">stakeholder group, e.g. business, is also important.<br class=""><br class="">I am hoping that discussing how we see enhanced cooperation and how and<br class="">where governments should talk about internet-related public policy, even<br class="">if we have different emphases and proposals would be useful.<br class=""><br class="">Last word ... Geneva is cold!<br class=""><br class="">Anriette<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 25/01/2017 13:11, Arsène Tungali wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Thanks Anriette,<br class=""><br class="">Please do keep us posted of anything relevant to CS. And should you need<br class=""></blockquote>anything from us, do not hesitate<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Go and represent!<br class=""><br class="">Arsene<br class="">-----------------<br class="">Arsène Tungali,<br class="">@arsenebaguma<br class="">+243 993810967<br class="">GPG: 523644A0<br class="">Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo<br class=""><br class="">Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jan 25, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" class="">anriette@apc.org</a>><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Dear all<br class=""><br class="">I am in Geneva for the second meeting of the CSTD (Commission on Science<br class="">and Technology for Development) Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation<br class="">(WGEC).<br class=""><br class="">APC's and other inputs from members of the Working Group and from<br class="">observers are available on the WGEC site:<br class=""><a href="http://unctad.org/en/pages/MeetingDetails.aspx?meetingid=1215" class="">http://unctad.org/en/pages/MeetingDetails.aspx?meetingid=1215</a><br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://cgi.br/" class="">CGI.br</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>produced a synthesis document of the inputs which you can access<br class="">here:<br class=""><a href="http://unctad.org/meetings/en/SessionalDocuments/WGEC2016_" class="">http://unctad.org/meetings/en/SessionalDocuments/WGEC2016_</a><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote>m2_synthesis_en.pdf<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">The provisional agenda is here:<br class=""><a href="http://unctad.org/meetings/en/SessionalDocuments/cstd2017_" class="">http://unctad.org/meetings/en/SessionalDocuments/cstd2017_</a><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote>WGEC_2_Agenda_en.pdf<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Any comments or suggestions welcome. I will try to keep you posted.<br class="">Remote participation is only open to people who registered in advance.<br class="">You can try to register here as observers:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://reg.unog.ch/event/" class="">https://reg.unog.ch/event/</a><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote>17618/<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Meeting starts tomorrow.<br class=""><br class="">Best<br class=""><br class="">Anriette<br class=""><br class="">-----------------------------------------<br class="">Anriette Esterhuysen<br class="">Executive Director<br class="">Association for Progressive Communications<br class=""><a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" class="">anriette@apc.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.apc.org/" class="">www.apc.org</a><br class="">IM: ae_apc<br class=""><br class="">____________________________________________________________<br class="">You received this message as a 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