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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Kelly Mcgillvary <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mcgillvary55@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcgillvary55@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-IE" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">What's wrong with it is to many opinions and not enough action. Seems to me that the world is suspended in debates about LAW. Common sense basic humanity is not difficult to understand the internet is another noose around the people's neck. Same as energy we have no control whilst GREEDY WELL PAID INDIVIDUALS debate. We are drowning passing the buck wont keep cutting it. WE ARE SLAVES TO THE GOVERNMENT WALKED ALL OVER AGAIN AND AGAIN.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><hr><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">From: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" target="_blank">Brandt Dainow</a></span><br><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Sent: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">13/12/2016 11:47</span><br><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">To: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank">'Richard Hill'</a>; <a href="mailto:kave.salamatian@me.com" target="_blank">'Kave Salamatian'</a>; <a href="mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org</a></span><div><div class="h5"><br><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Subject: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Re: [Internet Policy] About Iran and OFAC licenses.</span><br><br></div></div></div><div><div class="h5"><div class="m_-1175119200499941859WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hi Richard, actually it’s not that simple. While it may be accepted that an act which is illegal offline is also illegal online in most cases, this is not universal. However, the issue for internet vs offline law is difficult when territorial jurisdiction is confused. An online action may be deemed to occur in multiple conflicting jurisdictions simultaneously, or may affect citizens in multiple countries, all of whom claim jurisdiction, or be legal in one country and illegal in another. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">The confusion regarding the relationship between national law, international law and internet regulation is no more resolved now than it was 10 years ago. So – the statement that the laws of a country should take priority when determining internet regulation is a very complex statement, without a clear unambiguous meaning, and can be based on many different principles, which not everyone would agree to. Furthermore, the original post did not limit itself to stating internet laws should be subservient to Iranian laws, it also stated there should be uniquely Iranian “standards.” It is therefore a legitimate question, when someone says they believe one country’s laws should form the basis for internet regulation, to ask on what basis they make that claim.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Brandt Dainow<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/<wbr>profile/Brandt_Dainow</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><a href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow" target="_blank">http://www.imediaconnection.<wbr>com/profiles/brandt.dainow</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Richard Hill [mailto:<a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch" target="_blank">rhill@hill-a.ch</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 12 December 2016 10:25<br><b>To:</b> Brandt Dainow; Kave Salamatian<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internet Policy] About Iran and OFAC licenses.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Brandt<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">It is generally accepted that offline law applies equally online. And this for both international law and national law.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Richard<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(87,87,87);font-size:7pt">Sent from Samsung Mobile.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">-------- Original message --------<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">From: Brandt Dainow <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Date:12/12/2016 11:01 (GMT+01:00) <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To: Kave Salamatian <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cc: <a href="mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org</a> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] About Iran and OFAC licenses. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">sorry for the confusion, I thought I was replying to the original poster. I regret that you saw assumptions in what I asked. I was not aware that I had made any assumptions. I am simply curious as to why someone would believe that their national laws should dictate internet regulation. I have no position/belief on this matter myself, I am a philosopher specialising in the internet. I am therefore interested to learn why people believe what they do about internet regulation, in an effort to discover the underlying philosophical premises they base their thinking upon. Please do not, therefore, assume that questioning why someone believes something is a form of disagreement or criticism.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 9 December 2016 at 10:38, Kave Salamatian <<a href="mailto:kave.salamatian@me.com" target="_blank">kave.salamatian@me.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Brandt, <u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1175119200499941859m_6389404349439761080AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1175119200499941859m_6389404349439761080AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">I am wondering why you answer to Mahdi a mail sent by Noor and put in your answer assumptions that Mahdi never did ? <u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1175119200499941859m_6389404349439761080AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div id="m_-1175119200499941859m_6389404349439761080AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-BE">Kv<br><br>Envoyé de mon iPhone<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="FR-BE"><br>Le 9 déc. 2016 à 11:27, Brandt Dainow <</span><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span lang="FR-BE">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</span></a><span lang="FR-BE">> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hi Mahdi, there seem to be some assumptions behind your position which are not obvious from your statement. In every field of human activity, some countries always start first and influence development. That does not automatically mean their influence is harmful to others. The fact the internet started in the USA does not automatically mean its current form is harmful to other countries. How are existing standards contrary to Iranian culture or law?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Brandt Dainow</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com" target="_blank">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/<wbr>profile/Brandt_Dainow</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><a href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow" target="_blank">http://www.imediaconnection.<wbr>com/profiles/brandt.dainow</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> InternetPolicy [<a href="mailto:internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">mailto:internetpolicy-<wbr>bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Noor Ul Mushtaq <a href="tel:+971%2056%20204%204567" target="_blank">(+971562044567</a>)<br><b>Sent:</b> 09 December 2016 10:20<br><b>To:</b> Mahdi Taghizadeh<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internet Policy] About Iran and OFAC licenses.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(53,28,117);font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">It is very important for Iran to create own standards as compared to BS & US standards. So far internet & related rules are monopolized by certain nations.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(53,28,117);font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">Cyber-security laws etc should comply with Iranian laws first.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Mahdi Taghizadeh <<a href="mailto:i@mahdi.ws" target="_blank">i@mahdi.ws</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear All,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I also want to know if any progress has been made on this issue. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I should have been in Mexico now as an ISOC Ambassador to IGF 2016 but missed this opportunity because of OFAC sanctions.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:46 PM Kave Salamatian <<a href="mailto:kave.salamatian@me.com" target="_blank">kave.salamatian@me.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(204,204,204);margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Dear All, Raul,<br><br><br><br>we are almost three months after the below mail and the IGF has already begun in Mexico. During this time lapse we did not had any news from ISOC management about the steps taken to solve the issue raised by OFAC implication in ISOC activities.<br><br><br><br>I think that beyond myself there is other members of the list that would like to know if any steps has been made to solve the issues. As an element of answer it has took 3 weeks for other institutions (IEEE for example), to get an agreement of OFAC on issues similar to the one under discussion.<br><br><br><br>Looking forward for the answer of ISOC management,<br><br><br><br>Many thanks,<br><br><br><br>Kavé Salamatian<br><br><br><br><br><br>> Le 19 sept. 2016 à 18:26, Raul Echeberria <<a href="mailto:echeberria@isoc.org" target="_blank">echeberria@isoc.org</a>> a écrit :<br><br>><br><br>><br><br>> Dear all:<br><br>><br><br>> I changed the subject of the thread because the previous subject was by itself both and exaggeration and a misstatement.<br><br>><br><br>> I will try to explain as much clear as possible what is the situation and what’s the solution trying to not refer to any specific previous email.<br><br>><br><br>> Internet Society is a non for profit international and independent organization, not dependent of any government of the world. The organizations is incorporated in several countries for several reasons. Due to that we have to follow the laws of the countries in which we are incorporated. One of those countries is United States.<br><br>><br><br>> According the US Law, any organization incorporated in the country has to comply with “….. economic and trade sanctions based on US foreign policy and national security goals against targeted foreign countries and regimes……”<br><br>> The local organization responsible of leading with this is the OFAC (Office of Foreign Assets Control).<br><br>><br><br>> There is a broad variety of sanctions related to different countries. If you want to run some permitted activities in (or with) any of those countries, you need to get an OFAC license.<br><br>><br><br>> Funding an Iranian citizen to participate in the IGF looks as something possible and legal to do. But we still need a license. It’s not an overreaction of our lawyers. Consultations were made and our conclusion is that we can’t do that without a license.<br><br>><br><br>> It doesn’t matter if you do it through a third party or from any other of our offices from around the globe, it continue being illegal. If not it would be very easy to by pass any sanction to any country from any other country.<br><br>> Some cases has been mentioned in the discussion and they clearly refer to organizations who already have gotten the license so they are not doing different things, it is just they already did something that we still have to do.<br><br>><br><br>> We have already faced similar situations in the past (not many fortunately) and we got the license and so, the restrictions were removed. This is the same we will do in this case. Of course (and this should be obvious to every good faith people) we not only don’t have anything against the participation of Iranians in IGF or any other IG forum, but we think and feel exactly the opposite, and that’s the reason why we originally had selected this person to participate in our IGF Ambassador Program.<br><br>> In parallel there is people who are trying to form an Internet Society Chapter in Iran and it will also require an OFAC license so we are even more motivated to do everything we need.<br><br>><br><br>> As i said before, it takes time and money to do it. I don’t know how other organizations work, but we follow the procedures and there is not any alternative to get a license in few days or weeks.<br><br>><br><br>> If in the past Internet Society preferred to proceed in other ways deciding to not perform activities in those countries instead of to do the possible to be able to perform those activities, that’s something I don’t know and can not make an opinion about that. What I can say is that’s the way we will deal with this situation and it is the same way we would proceed in other similar cases.<br><br>><br><br>> I don’t see any reason why we could not do things in Iran, but the fact is that we can not do them right now.<br><br>><br><br>><br><br>> I hope this is enough clear to everybody. 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