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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 17 October 2016 07:16 PM,
Marianne Franklin wrote:<br>
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<p>Dear Parminder, Others (am also copying in the IRPC list). <br>
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<p>There is clearly still lots to debate, </p>
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Yes Marianne, but the political moment of reckoning does not wait
for all debates to conclude - debates that has now been happening
for more than 10 years. The jurisdiction question is being
considered formally "right now" in the transition process, as it is
called, In a few months it will be formally declared that the global
multi stakeholder community - which is supposed to includes me and
you, and all the debators -- have concluded by full or rough
consensus that the current jurisdictional status remains the best
bet for ICANN. The 'decision' will be touted in our name. IGC 11
years ago took a political position in the middle of debates -
political activism requires that. 11 years hence the debates cannot
be less mature then they were before - I am just wondering, what
happened meanwhile... Well, isnt that too an important question by
itself to ask, and explore, for activists and academics alike. Just
clarifying what was the accent of my posting. Meanwhile, yes, more
debates and articles and comments continue to remain welcome, and
shd keep coming. But maybe, civil society's job includes some
political role too!<br>
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Meanwhile I do recommend to everyone to read this excellent series
of IG related articles published in OpenDemocracy and coordinated by
Marianne. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/hri">https://www.opendemocracy.net/hri</a> . Debates, academic
exercises, and political action must all go together. <br>
<br>
best regards<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<p>on the macro level of past and future ownership and control of
the strategically important aspects of the internet's
infrastructure (content being another matter altogether). To
date the debates about ICANN, positions for/against and all
other shades, have occurred on lists with well informed, and
committed participants. <br>
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<p>To date there is little out there for an informed, wider
public. This is why comments on the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/digitaLiberties/pranesh-prakash/jurisdiction-taboo-topic-at-icann">Prakash
piece</a>, or indeed others on this page that may relate to
the spectrum of issues that keeps all these lists alive and
actively arriving in our in=boxes, would help inform that wider
audience. <br>
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<p>It is a key reason why I have been working with openDemocracy
to present these issues to a wider readership so all comments
welcome to the ICANN piece. <br>
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<p>Other articles, including a critical analysis of a UK-based
initiative for digital rights by Paul Bernal available at <a
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href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/hri">https://www.opendemocracy.net/hri</a>.
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<p>warm wishes</p>
<p>MF<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 17 October 2016 05:20 PM,
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<p>Dear Parminder</p>
<p>Thanks for sending over this piece in a growing literature
on ICANN and it future. <br>
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<p>Just to note that Pranesh's less than celebratory analysis
for the ICANN transition has been published on the
openDemocracy series, Human Rights and the Internet, at <a
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href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/digitaLiberties/pranesh-prakash/jurisdiction-taboo-topic-at-icann">https://www.opendemocracy.net/digitaLiberties/pranesh-prakash/jurisdiction-taboo-topic-at-icann</a>.
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Thanks Marianne,<br>
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Yes, absolutely not at all celebratory! I had read it a few
months back, and should have had it in my mind when I made that
comment. But then, isnt it surprising that when two of the very
few CS groups in India consider that not much has happened with
the so called 'transition' in terms of loosening of US control
over ICANN, there is simply no murmurs in the CS community
globally to actually take this issue up - in a political manner,
like making a statement and so on. I may repeat what I have said
so many tomes earlier - in all the multistakeholder meetings
that I saw organised in India in the transition processes it was
always concluded that there are two key issues to sort out - an
'external' oversight mechanism, and jurisdiction issue. What we
have is an oversight which is hardly external, and the
jurisdiction issue is being completely buried. But still it
seems that everyone -- more or less -- is just celebrating the
'transition' with no critical take being adopted. <br>
<br>
As Pranesh's article points out, seeking a host country
agreement or in other words jurisdictional immunity for ICANN
from the US was the demand of Internet Governance Caucus in
2005. The all round social- political importance of the domain
name system has only greatly enhanced in the last 10 years, and
so the US's jurisdictional control over it should be ever less
acceptable -- but why is no major civil society group today able
to get up and say the same thing which IGC said and asked for in
2005? Especially when a process is actually taking place which
is formally examining the jurisdiction question. I sometimes
participate in that ICANN WG on jurisdiction, where every effort
is on to bury this question - and i finds almost no civil
society voice there. <br>
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People here may want to ponder this question - has the US
stranglehold on the IG discourse actually tightened since then -
meaning WSIS in 2005? Or perhaps there could be other reasons,
which I did not think of, and others can enlighten me on. (not
addressed to you Marianne :), it is general)<br>
<br>
Parminder <br>
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PS: Excuse me to cc this to IGC list, where a similar discussion
is on... Those who respond may exercise discretion whether they
want to respond to both elists or one of them. <br>
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<p>best <br>
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<p>MF</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/10/2016 15:48, parminder
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<p><font face="Verdana">Hi All</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">I wrote this commentary piece in
the Economic and Political Weekly of India on ICANN's
oversight transition. For such an important and
multi-faceted event, it is surprising that I have come
across no article that is other than absolutely
celebratory about it, and catches properly the
different nuances that are involved. Such a
monochromatic discourse in the global IG space is not
a good indication. There is an especial lack of views
from a progressive and social justice perspective, and
from the geopolitical South, both of which I have
tried to catch in this brief article. <br>
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<h1 class="western" style="font-weight: normal"><b><font
style="font-size: 14pt" size="+2">Internet
Governance: Is the Internet Really Free of US
Control?</font></b></h1>
<p>"The recent decision of the United States government to
cede its control over the internet’s naming and
addressing system to the Internet Corporation for
Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), a US-based
international non-profit body, is heralded as a
significant step towards the globalisation of internet’s
core infrastructure. But with ICANN having no special
jurisdictional immunity and subject to the whims of the
judicial and legislative branches of the US government
as well as many of its executive agencies, the decision
seems more symbolic than meaningful."</p>
<p><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.epw.in/journal/2016/42/web-exclusives/internet-governance.html">http://www.epw.in/journal/2016/42/web-exclusives/internet-governance.html</a></p>
Comments are welcome.<br>
parminder </div>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Marianne Franklin, PhD
Professor of Global Media and Politics
Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
Goldsmiths (University of London)
Department of Media & Communications
New Cross, London SE14 6NW
Tel: +44 207 9197072
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:m.i.franklin@gold.ac.uk"><m.i.franklin@gold.ac.uk></a>
@GloComm
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Chair of the Global Internet Governance Academic Network (GigaNet)
Steering Committee/Former Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition )
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.internetrightsandprinciples.org">www.internetrightsandprinciples.org</a>
@netrights
Special Series Editor, Human Rights and the Internet
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/hri">https://www.opendemocracy.net/hri</a>
Digital Dilemmas: Power, Resistance and the Internet (Oxford University Press)
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://global.oup.com/academic/product/digital-dilemmas-9780199982707?cc=nl&lang=en&q=Digital%20dilemmas&tab=reviews#">http://global.oup.com/academic/product/digital-dilemmas-9780199982707?cc=nl&lang=en&q=Digital%20dilemmas&tab=reviews#</a>
Championing Human Rights on the Internet (I-VI)
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/marianne-franklin/championing-human-rights-on-internet-part-six-summing-up-too-much-or-not-enough">https://www.opendemocracy.net/marianne-franklin/championing-human-rights-on-internet-part-six-summing-up-too-much-or-not-enough</a>
“What does (the Study of) World Politics Sound Like?”
co-authored with Matt Davies in World Politics and Popular Culture: Theories, Methods, Pedagogies
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.e-ir.info/2015/04/22/edited-collection-popular-culture-and-world-politics/">http://www.e-ir.info/2015/04/22/edited-collection-popular-culture-and-world-politics/</a>
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